[css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Michael Stevens
-Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] b is presentational. It says, Make this bold. em and strong aren't presentational. They say emphasize/strongly emphasize this. They don't say HOW to emphasize/strongly emphasize it.

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread MB
Michael Stevens said: I use use EM when I want italic and STRONG when I want bold, sometimes I'll change the font color as well, therefore I consider them presentational tags. Are your definitions the ideal we all should adhere to? I think not. Why a specific developer choose to misuse a certain

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread david
Michael Stevens wrote: -Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] b is presentational. It says, Make this bold. em and strong aren't presentational. They say emphasize/strongly emphasize this. They don't say HOW to

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Tim Climis
I use use EM when I want italic and STRONG when I want bold, therefore I consider them presentational tags. That's like saying I use CODE when I want a monospace font and LI when I want bullets next to text, therefore I consider them presentational tags. I hope you see how both of those are

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
b is presentational. It says, Make this bold. em and strong aren't presentational. They say emphasize/strongly emphasize this. They don't say HOW to emphasize/strongly emphasize it. They're just saying that this text is more important than surrounding text, so emphasize it. ---

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Ret'd)
Thierry Koblentz wrote: fwiw, I don't agree. If an author wants italics or bold then heemshould/em, strongmust/strong, usei andb. To stay on-topic I won't mention semantics (should be a no brainer though), but CSS: a User Agent does *not* have to makeem italics andstrong bold, but it

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 20:08 + on 03/06/2010, Philip TAYLOR (Ret'd) wrote about Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags: Thierry Koblentz wrote: fwiw, I don't agree. If an author wants italics or bold then heemshould/em, strongmust/strong, usei andb. To stay on-topic I won't mention semantics (should be a

[css-d] Clearing floats in a dl clears a previous float I didn't want cleared...

2010-03-06 Thread Theophan Dort
I am a volunteer webmaster for a couple of churches, and on one site all pages have a header div across the top, and below that a navigation div floated left with main content div flowing to its right. One page lists parish events of which we have photos and/or video elsewhere on the site.

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread MB
Bob Rosenberg said: CSS is a way of changing the built-in defaults for how to display text enclosed in the different tags. The built-in defaults ARE CSS. It's the CSS the browsermakers decided to have builtin. Technically, this is the case with Firefox anyway.

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Bob Rosenberg said: CSS is a way of changing the built-in defaults for how to display text enclosed in the different tags. The built-in defaults ARE CSS. It's the CSS the browsermakers decided to have builtin. Technically, this is the case with Firefox anyway. They decide following the

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Thierry Koblentz wrote: fwiw, I don't agree. If an author wants italics or bold then heemshould/em, strongmust/strong, usei andb. To stay on-topic I won't mention semantics (should be a no brainer though), but CSS: a User Agent does *not* have to makeem italics andstrong

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Michael Stevens
-Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] Subject: Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags Because, if the developer uses some elements primarily for their browser default CSS, then any element can be considered presentational for

Re: [css-d] Clearing floats in a dl clears a previous float I didn't want cleared...

2010-03-06 Thread David Laakso
Theophan Dort wrote: I am a volunteer webmaster for a couple of churches, and on one site all pages have a header div across the top, and below that a navigation div floated left with main content div flowing to its right. Do you have any suggestions? Theophan Hi Theophan, A

Re: [css-d] Clearing floats in a dl clears a previous float I didn't want cleared...

2010-03-06 Thread Theophan Dort
A fast and dirty suggestion. Nothing wrong with using a dl I guess. I just did it different. It works -- it's perfect! I have to study up on that overflow hidden that seems to be a key in how it works even when the text in one div is short. I'll go back to my books, and if I can't figure

Re: [css-d] Clearing floats in a dl clears a previous float I didn't want cleared...

2010-03-06 Thread David Laakso
Theophan Dort wrote: A fast and dirty suggestion. Nothing wrong with using a dl I guess. I just did it different. It works -- it's perfect! I have to study up on that overflow hidden that seems to be a key in how it works even when the text in one div is short. I'll go back to my

Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Alan Gresley
MB wrote: Bob Rosenberg said: CSS is a way of changing the built-in defaults for how to display text enclosed in the different tags. The built-in defaults ARE CSS. It's the CSS the browsermakers decided to have builtin. Technically, this is the case with Firefox anyway. No, you are both

Re: [css-d] Creating a small table

2010-03-06 Thread Brian M. Curran
Brian M. Curran wrote: Hi All, I need to make a small table for my website (For my rates of service.), and so my question is, Does anyone know of a resource for different styles of CSS tables, so I can get some ideas on neat table styles/layouts? Something akin to listamatic for lists.

[css-d] IE7 bug with inheritance

2010-03-06 Thread Gabriele Romanato
Hi all! Please read the latest two posts on IE7 on my blog and tell me if I stumbled on something that's well-documented or not. Can you make up a static test? I used JavaScript to create spans in the following structure: ul id=navigation lia href=spanLink/span/a/li /ul Try to apply some

Re: [css-d] IE7 bug with inheritance

2010-03-06 Thread Alan Gresley
Gabriele Romanato wrote: Hi all! Please read the latest two posts on IE7 on my blog and tell me if I stumbled on something that's well-documented or not. Can you make up a static test? I used JavaScript to create spans in the following structure: ul id=navigation lia