Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/07/13 13:52 (GMT+0800) Chris Blake composed: 2. 'line-height set in pixels' - what should I use? It's a menu rather than a paragraph. Unless you're happy to have your design break royally upon encountering minimum font size, containers need to be big enough for the text they contain.

[css-d] Strange border around header image in IE

2010-07-13 Thread Dipesh Parmar
I'm currently working on a site: http://dvpwebdesign.com/test/index.html, where i am having issues with a purple border around the header image on every page of my website in IE. The header should just have a white background, and works fine on Safari, Firefox, Chrome, i've checked the css and

Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread Chris Blake
Hi, I appreciate all the advice I am getting on this topic and it's raising some very important issues for me and I think the template creators too. I understand setting the line-height as a ratio, and the font sizes could still be set as pixels (or should this be a ratio too?). I am

[css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
If I have a page such as the following : !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 titleArmenian test/title style type=text/css

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Chris Blake
Hi, What about using CSS3 web fonts http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator ? Upload the font you want, it will generate all the different types, link to them using the @fontface thing and bingo - they don't need that font on their system. or am I dreadfully mistaken? BR, CB On

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Chris Blake wrote: Hi, What about using CSS3 web fonts http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator ? Upload the font you want, it will generate all the different types, link to them using the @fontface thing and bingo - they don't need that font on their system. or am I dreadfully

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Michael Adams
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 20:57, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: If I have a page such as the following : !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Michael Adams wrote: Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the range you are using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per paragraph basis. For *my* Linux Nimbus Roman No9 L may be a well populated serif font and Nimbus Sans L as sans serif

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Chris Blake
On 13/07/2010, at 6:38 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Michael Adams wrote: Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the range you are using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per paragraph basis. For *my* Linux Nimbus Roman No9 L

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Chris Blake wrote: On 13/07/2010, at 6:38 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: [T]he CSS fallback mechanism was formulated at a time when Unicode was not yet prevalent, and does not seem to have evolved to cope with the need to have greater control over the fallback font selected

[css-d] background image - repeat, flip horizontal and vertically

2010-07-13 Thread Chris Blake
Hi, Ok I have an image for my background. It's repeating but because it's not a tiling pattern it looks odd if you are zoomed out so far that you can't see it. One option could be to remove the repeating and have some kind of effect, e.g. gradient, that dissolves the image into a suitable

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Michael Adams
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 23:02, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I think that there is a great deal of unintentional racism in the US-English-centric web that we use today, but the last time a group of us tried to raise this as a serious issue within the CSS working group, one of the

Re: [css-d] background image - repeat, flip horizontal and vertically

2010-07-13 Thread Chris Blake
Hi, Since that took a while I have done some research. Flipping it seems impossible so I went for the 100% width, maintain aspect ratio idea. The answer isn't great here too but there is some hope in the way of CSS3 background-size: 100%; (that will keep the aspect ratio). Only supported by

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Michael Adams wrote: On Tuesday 13 July 2010 23:02, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I think that there is a great deal of unintentional racism in the US-English-centric web that we use today, but the last time a group of us tried to raise this as a serious issue within the CSS

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: I have presumably chosen my primary font not only because I feel its aesthetics are appropriate but also because it supports the necessary subset of Unicode to correctly display the characters that make up the page. But if

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. [snip] Thank you, Phillipe : a very interesting summary. It is certainly useful to know what the behaviour of most current rendering engines is, but of course unless it is actually enshrined in the specification, one

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: What I describe is actually the expected behaviour per CSS 2.1 /3-fonts… OK, even better news :-) Very many thanks. ** Phil. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org]

Re: [css-d] Safari 5 / Win XP crashing ?

2010-07-13 Thread Tim Climis
On Monday, July 12, 2010 11:59:34 pm Al Sparber wrote: From: Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.com Does this test case crashes Safari 5 on Win XP for anyone, or is it just me ? http://dev.l-c-n.com/webkit/c.html This combination causes the issue: p, dt, dd, li {text-rendering:

Re: [css-d] background image - repeat, flip horizontal and vertically

2010-07-13 Thread Tim Climis
On Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:24:41 am Chris Blake wrote: Hi, Since that took a while I have done some research. Flipping it seems impossible so I went for the 100% width, maintain aspect ratio idea. The answer isn't great here too but there is some hope in the way of CSS3 background-size:

Re: [css-d] Strange border around header image in IE

2010-07-13 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Dipesh Parmar wrote: I'm currently working on a site: http://dvpwebdesign.com/test/index.html, where i am having issues with a purple border around the header image on every page of my website in IE. The header should just have a white background, and works

Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread Tim Climis
Could css-d give me some examples of what you think are the best kind of declarations for items such as menu links (horizontal, 1 line) using ratios and whatever else so that I do not run into problems with min font sizes. It'll just give me a starting point and then I can play about with it

Re: [css-d] Strange border around header image in IE

2010-07-13 Thread David Laakso
I'm currently working on a site: http://dvpwebdesign.com/test/index.html Dipesh, You may want to view your page in IE/8. Nothing to do with the fix that has been provided for the question you posted... Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread fantasai
On 07/13/2010 03:38 AM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Michael Adams wrote: Would it help to create a page with all the Unicode chars in the range you are using and ask who can see how many based on font selections on a per paragraph basis. For *my* Linux Nimbus Roman No9 L may

Re: [css-d] The white-space property between blocks

2010-07-13 Thread fantasai
On 07/06/2010 12:24 PM, Christopher Wells wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Philippe Wittenberghe...@l-c-n.com wrote: 16.6.1 The 'white-space' processing model provides the answer http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#white-space-model (second list) Is that the way in which whitespace

Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Tim Climis wrote: http://www.uselessgeography.com/ The masthead graphic (and perhaps other elements) doesn't/don't scale with Ctrl +/-, so unfortunately horizontal scrolling is forced above a fairly modest degree of zoom. Philip Taylor

Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread David Laakso
Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Tim Climis wrote: http://www.uselessgeography.com/ The masthead graphic (and perhaps other elements) doesn't/don't scale with Ctrl +/-, so unfortunately horizontal scrolling is forced above a fairly modest degree of zoom. Philip Taylor

Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread David Laakso
Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: David Laakso wrote: In what OS/browser? Windows XP/SP3; Seamonkey 2.0.5 ** Phil. No particular problem this end in that somewhat behind the times OS/browser, nor in Mac 10.4 Camino/ 2.0.3. Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/

Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread David Laakso
Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: So you see no horizontal scroll bar, regardless of zoom ? ** Phil. David Laakso wrote: No particular problem this end in that somewhat behind the times OS/browser, nor in Mac 10.4 Camino/ 2.0.3. Yes, there is a slight scroll bar.

Re: [css-d] css dropdown list strange behavior

2010-07-13 Thread Thijs Hakkenberg
David, My goal is like http://www.cssplay.co.uk/mozilla/dropdown.html In the current template: http://2010.dierenrecht.org/fileadmin/template/2010/SDR/concept/vertebrata/ The li elements are displayed in blocks, but I want the li ul li elements under each other. But I can't find the right

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
fantasai wrote: Was there something else you wanted? Dear Fantasai : many thanks for demonstrating that I was incorrect in my belief that the font-fallback mechanism has not evolved over time; I am extremely pleased that this is the case. As to whether there is anything else in this area

Re: [css-d] css dropdown list strange behavior

2010-07-13 Thread David Laakso
Thijs Hakkenberg wrote: David, My goal is like http://www.cssplay.co.uk/mozilla/dropdown.html In the current template: http://2010.dierenrecht.org/fileadmin/template/2010/SDR/concept/vertebrata/ The li elements are displayed in blocks, but I want the li ul li elements under each other.

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2010-07-13 09:57 +0100, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Is there, therefore, in CSS, some way of specifying as a part of the font fallback sequence that any font selected as a result of fallback must support a specific subset of Unicode such that the page can be guaranteed

Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys]

2010-07-13 Thread Climis, Tim
-Original Message- From: David Laakso [mailto:da...@chelseacreekstudio.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:17 PM To: Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) Cc: css-d; Climis, Tim Subject: Re: [css-d] browser reports please [blakeys] Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: David

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 8:51 PM +0900 on 07/13/2010, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote about Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode: A modern OS / browser will do the job for you. You can specify a fallback font if your first choice is not available: p { font-family: font-a, font-b, font-c, serif;} Gecko, WebKit,

Re: [css-d] Safari 5 / Win XP crashing ?

2010-07-13 Thread Ingo Chao
2010/7/13 Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.com: On Jul 13, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Al Sparber wrote: It crashes both browsers (Win Vista 64-bit). I assume on Windows 7, as well. Thanks for checking, Al. I filed bug 42136. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42136 (funny thing - while I

Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread fantasai
On 07/13/2010 12:45 PM, Bob Rosenberg wrote: The problem is two fold (in my opinion). First is that unlike with printing use, there is no Font of Last Resort fall-back. That support says to use the defined font BUT if there are glyphs in the text which are not in the font then to attempt to