Re: [css-d] Fw: Re: css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread David Hucklesby
On 11/9/11 6:11 PM, Jay Tanna wrote: --- On Thu, 10/11/11, Jay Tanna wrote: From: Jay Tanna Subject: Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ? To: "mem" Date: Thursday, 10 November, 2011, 2:09 You can convert a px size into em size by using this simple calculations: 1) Most brow

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread G.Sørtun
On 10.11.2011 02:23, mem wrote: Ok. And why will I need one in px and another in em ? I'm not getting what will that do, should that have the same measures like: 960px and 60em ? 60em may be somewhat equal to 960px under certain, very limited, conditions. If you're happy with that there's

[css-d] Fw: Re: css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread Jay Tanna
--- On Thu, 10/11/11, Jay Tanna wrote: > From: Jay Tanna > Subject: Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ? > To: "mem" > Date: Thursday, 10 November, 2011, 2:09 > You can convert a px size into em > size by using this simple calculations: > > 1) Most browsers have default font

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread mem
On Nov 9, 2011, at 22:48 , G.Sørtun wrote: > On 09.11.2011 22:24, mem wrote: > >> it will assume the max-width value as width correct ? > > Yes, but I advice against relying on default behavior across browser-land - > especially for legacy browsers - when adding 'width: 100%' (or something) >

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread G.Sørtun
On 09.11.2011 22:24, mem wrote: it will assume the max-width value as width correct ? Yes, but I advice against relying on default behavior across browser-land - especially for legacy browsers - when adding 'width: 100%' (or something) costs so little. If so, how can I declare those base

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread Paceaux
The font is "arvo". I'm cheap, I pulled it off of Google's Font CDN:. http://www.google.com/webfonts I don't think an em-based layout can work in all situations. In the case of my online resume, I'm not doing anything elaborate: no graphics, no fancy design. I'm absolutely horrible at math, s

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread mem
On Nov 9, 2011, at 19:50 , G.Sørtun wrote: > On 09.11.2011 19:51, mem wrote: > >> Question A) What unit should we use ? I've seen on some sites the >> option for "max-width: 100%" I've seen max-width defined with: em; >> I've seen it with px; > > To make a flexible layout play well across the in

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread G.Sørtun
On 09.11.2011 19:51, mem wrote: Question A) What unit should we use ? I've seen on some sites the option for "max-width: 100%" I've seen max-width defined with: em; I've seen it with px; To make a flexible layout play well across the increasing spread of large and small screens/devices, I

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread David Laakso
On 11/9/11 2:18 PM, David Laakso wrote: On 11/9/11 1:51 PM, mem wrote: Question A) Question B) Regards, M. I dunno what you or anyone else should do about anything other than that saving one and all from a novel by putting up a very simple test page is always a good start point... ~d

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread Barney Carroll
@Frank Really like your EM-based site — what font is that? The thing I made was ultimately just way too elaborate: too many 'static' graphic design considerations for EMs to play nice. In practice it worked (and only recently got redesigned ;) but maintenance became an utter pain. @David H Your

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread mem
On Nov 9, 2011, at 16:59 , David Laakso wrote: > On 11/9/11 8:35 AM, mem wrote: >> >> >> >> What do you think ? >> > > > It makes no difference whether the grid is set to px, em, or percent width. > The problem still remain the same-- if and when a user scales up the fonts > she will be co

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread David Hucklesby
On 11/9/11 5:35 AM, mem wrote: Hello all, On my css layouts, I tend to use *em* for font size and *px* for all the rest. However, I wish not to follow this path any longer, since I wish to embrace the *em* for [almost] all the development. Problem: we use a *960px grid* for styling most of our

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread David Laakso
On 11/9/11 8:35 AM, mem wrote: What do you think ? It makes no difference whether the grid is set to px, em, or percent width. The problem still remain the same-- if and when a user scales up the fonts she will be confronted with a situation of having to scroll both vertically and horiz

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread pace...@madebypaceaux.com
I've recently been in the habit of using ems for my entire layout. Really it has been more of an experiment than anything, but I've found (in my flawed opinion) that it can translate well to other screen sizes - including mobile. I personally like the effect of the entire design resizing when

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread Barney Carroll
Felix, Could you show me some sites using em-based layout measurements? My adventure in that field was about 5 years ago, I may be able to learn some things from it. By and wide I stick to the principle that, for example, a user or device's desired font size should not dictate the width of a page.

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/11/09 15:18 (GMT) Barney Carroll composed: font-size is a little arbitrary: all measurable aspects of the glyphs 'M' or 'm' (or indeed any other glyph) set in Arial are smaller than 12px; with Calibri they are smaller still. Fonts sized in px are _completely_ arbitrary once the design

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread Barney Carroll
Obligatory history lesson: 'em' is a classical typographical term to talk about relative measurements within a typeface: it's the phoneticisation of the letter 'm', and denotes the total width of the 'm' glyph. 'en' is used for 'n'; other useful relative measurements include 'x-height' to denote t

Re: [css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread Ted Rolle Jr.
I've used mm because it's neither geeky nor is it jargon and you can use a tape measure to measure it. For typefaces you'd probably have to try different values to make it look nice, but we do that with px and/or em. px: computers, geeky; em: printers, jargon. You can have fractions of a m

[css-d] css measures - em grid system makes sense ?

2011-11-09 Thread mem
Hello all, On my css layouts, I tend to use *em* for font size and *px* for all the rest. However, I wish not to follow this path any longer, since I wish to embrace the *em* for [almost] all the development. Problem: we use a *960px grid* for styling most of our pages, so the margin or paddin