Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-22 Thread G.Sørtun
Holiday task for anyone who hasn't done so yet: _read_ the that CSS3 backgrounds and borders module: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/ (or for the latest text, the editor's draft: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-background/) I've put them both under the (palm)tree. Maybe I'll get through

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Alan Gresley wrote: As far as the CSS 3 backgrounds and borders module is concerned, Gecko 2.0 (Fx 4b), Presto (Opera 11), Trident (IE 9) and WebKit (Chrome 8, Safari 5) have implemented support for all listed properties note: except WebKit still needs the

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-22 Thread Alan Gresley
On 22/12/2010 11:30 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Alan Gresley wrote: As far as the CSS 3 backgrounds and borders module is concerned, Gecko 2.0 (Fx 4b), Presto (Opera 11), Trident (IE 9) and WebKit (Chrome 8, Safari 5) have implemented support for all listed

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Alan Gresley wrote: http://css-class.com/test/temp/test-slash.htm The create an oval border. Gecko has supported that syntax for a while (fx 3.5 I think) for border-radius and border-image. Neither WebKit not Gecko have gotten around to support the full

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Alan Gresley
On 21/12/2010 11:30 AM, Rob Crowther wrote: On 21/12/10 00:07, Alan Gresley wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: Currently IE9 beta supports most of CSS3 without any vender prefixes. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/ff468705.aspx#_CSS3_BG_Borders All of which do no need a -ms- prefix. That's 16

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Rob Crowther
Alan Gresley wrote: I should add that the CSS WG current work page is out of date often. The current work with the latest drafts are found here. http://dev.w3.org/csswg/ It's not the release of a new editor's draft that's significant, it's the spec moving to Candidate Recommendation which

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Alan Gresley
On 22/12/2010 2:11 AM, Barney Carroll wrote: CC to list since this is worthy of list discussion. Alan, Vendor prefixes are traditionally used to implement proprietary or experimental features. Yes, I acknowledge that but this transitional approach has held back web designers and developers

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Alan Gresley wrote: It's time now to drop the prefixes. Now if you wish to debate this, then please feel most welcome to subscribe to the CSS WG list. Not that you will stop anything. How are those not involved in the current discussion intended to interpret that last sentence, Alan ? Are

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Alan Gresley wrote: We now have all implementations supporting all the CSS3 properties that I demo'd . I would please appreciate a check in FF4 beta if anyone has it. As far as the CSS 3 backgrounds and borders module is concerned, Gecko 2.0 (Fx 4b), Presto

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 13:28 +0100 on 12/20/2010, Gabriele Romanato wrote about [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation: In response to the criticisms moved against my CSS template #1, here's my point of view on that matter: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/css-vendor-prefixes-and-validation.html Part

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Alan Gresley
On 22/12/2010 11:20 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:07 AM, Alan Gresley wrote: We now have all implementations supporting all the CSS3 properties that I demo'd . I would please appreciate a check in FF4 beta if anyone has it. As far as the CSS 3 backgrounds and borders

[css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Gabriele Romanato
In response to the criticisms moved against my CSS template #1, here's my point of view on that matter: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/css-vendor-prefixes-and-validation.html HTH :-) http://www.css-zibaldone.com http://www.css-zibaldone.com/test/ (English)

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread G.Sørtun
In response to the criticisms moved against my CSS template #1, here's my point of view on that matter: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/css-vendor-prefixes-and-validation.html Never mind the critics regarding CSS validity related to vendor prefixes. History repeats itself, and some

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Alan Gresley
On 21/12/2010 1:10 AM, G.Sørtun wrote: In response to the criticisms moved against my CSS template #1, here's my point of view on that matter: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/css-vendor-prefixes-and-validation.html Never mind the critics regarding CSS validity related to vendor

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/12/20 09:10 (GMT-0500) G.Sørtun composed: On 2010/12/20 13:28 (GMT+0100) Gabriele Romanato composed: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/css-vendor-prefixes-and-validation.html It is a lot worse that you use this old nonsense in the stylesheet... body { font : 62.5% }

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Rob Crowther
Alan Gresley wrote: On 21/12/2010 1:10 AM, G.Sørtun wrote: Currently IE9 beta supports most of CSS3 without any vender prefixes. No it doesn't and, since only two of the CSS3 specs are currently even at PR state, let alone CR, it would be foolish of them to do so. Rob

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Barney Carroll
On 20 December 2010 15:18, Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com wrote: Most CSS hacks are valid CSS. You can validate your CSS with a CSS3 profile. Critics of any of this are somewhat stuck in the present or pass. Sadly, most users are also stuck 'in the present'. I build my sites with present-day

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread G.Sørtun
No it doesn't and, since only two of the CSS3 specs are currently even at PR state, let alone CR, it would be foolish of them to do so. Hmm, actually, it works the other way round. CSS3 specs don't become fully fledged standards until at least 2 vendors have demonstrated that same specs

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Rob Crowther
G.Sørtun wrote: So if no vendor is foolish enough to implement them we won't get those W3C CSS standards anywhere. I'm not suggesting they'd be foolish to implement them at all, I'm saying they'd be foolish to implement them without vendor prefixes. Rob

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Alan Gresley
On 21/12/2010 4:26 AM, Rob Crowther wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: On 21/12/2010 1:10 AM, G.Sørtun wrote: Currently IE9 beta supports most of CSS3 without any vender prefixes. No it doesn't and, since only two of the CSS3 specs are currently even at PR state, let alone CR, it would be foolish

Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-20 Thread Rob Crowther
On 21/12/10 00:07, Alan Gresley wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: Currently IE9 beta supports most of CSS3 without any vender prefixes. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/ff468705.aspx#_CSS3_BG_Borders All of which do no need a -ms- prefix. That's 16 properties, all in one spec. Even if you