Re: [css-d] [+] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-04 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/12/04 18:56 (GMT+0530) Chetan Crasta composed: After reading your explanation I still don't think the huge amount of non-semantic code is justified. Sure you're site might work perfectly in Internet Explorer 3 running on Windows 95 with a Pentium 200 Mhz and a 14.4 kbps modem, but does

Re: [css-d] [+] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-04 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/12/04 15:28 (GMT) Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) composed: David Laakso wrote: PS It is not a list policy but bottom posting ... is appreciated. By some : others prefer to read what the respondent has to say, rather than having to wade through recycled material before

Re: [css-d] [+] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-04 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Felix Miata wrote: Feel free to play elsewhere if list policy bothers you so much you feel unable to adhere to it. List policy doesn't bother me at all. Rules are for the guidance of the wise and the blind obedience of the foolish. Philip Taylor -- Not sent from my i-Pad, i-Phone,

[css-d] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-03 Thread Barney Carroll
Hi folks, bit of philosophy CSS for y'all. A recent project faced a series of late-noticed serious IE6 hasLayout bugs, and got the team in a panicked discussion in which IE6 bug-fixing best practice got discussed. I ended up re-reading Ingo Chao's excellent article 'On having layout'

Re: [css-d] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-03 Thread G.Sørtun
1. Could it be argued that *any* layout (necessitating complex absolute/relative positioning, overflows, nested lists, etc), carefully built with a thorough knowledge of the Trident box model in mind can avoid having to artificially trigger hasLayout? As co-author of that article and based

Re: [css-d] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-03 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Georg, Myself, I use any property/value that gets the job done, whenever I need to trigger hasLayout. Loss of validity because of proprietary IE CSS isn't more problematic than use of some mos-, webkit- or o- proprietary CSS ... IMO. I do not care much about CSS validation, but I see a

Re: [css-d] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-03 Thread Chetan Crasta
If having valid stylesheets is important, one could simply apply zoom using javascript: object.style.zoom=1; ~C On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Thierry Koblentz n...@tjkdesign.com wrote: Hi Georg, Myself, I use any property/value that gets the job done, whenever I need to trigger

Re: [css-d] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-03 Thread G.Sørtun
On 03.12.2010 17:43, Thierry Koblentz wrote: But I agree with you, I don't see this as problematic. Guess that's what it comes down to when choosing hasLayout triggers or other hacks for old IE. I still prefer the phony stylesheet for IE/win[1] solution that I have used for years for

Re: [css-d] hasLayout triggering best practice

2010-12-03 Thread David Laakso
On 12/3/10 10:24 AM, Barney Carroll wrote: 1. Could it be argued that *any* layout... You could argue that in conversation and on paper from here to eternity but making it happen on a screen with anything short of a very simplistic layout is a pipe-dream. And therein may lie an