Re: [css-d] Question about the list

2005-08-30 Thread Scott Glasgow

Adam Kuehn wrote:

Scott Glasgow wrote:

 If I hit Reply All, it does go to the list, but sends a separate
copy to the sender (which can be annoying to the recipient, I would
imagine). I checked again in my other lists, and Reply does indeed
send to the list, not the sender. Is this something in the way OE is
configured (if so, why just this list?), or the way the list is
configured, or have I just happened to reply to senders who have
their Reply To set, or what?


This page was written for you:
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addition, if you go to the CSS website and choose the options page
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d/, you can sign in
and edit some list parameters.  Just choose the Edit Options button,
after entering your address and password.  One of the options on the
next page (fifth down on the right side) is Avoid duplicate copies
of messages?  Set this to Yes if you are one of those people who
would be annoyed by getting both a list copy and a personal copy of a
Reply To All message.

Now all should be right with the world.

Presented as a public service,


I do not have a problem with this decision by the list moderators. I do, 
however, wonder why this was not included in what seems to be the list 
guidelines (the very definite ground rules) or any other of the 
information which I assiduously read whule subscribing. I am not a newbie to 
the Web, nor to online communications, having watched lines of text being 
spelled out letter by letter at 300 baud back in 1983 on a 
character-mode-only 9 inch amber monochrome screen. The Web did not exist 
then, nor did the Internet in the sense that we use the term today. Sysops 
were gods, Telix was the whip (well, not quite yet, back then), and knowing 
your AT commands and how to set up your modem separated the men from the 
wannabes.


Please do not patronize me. A simple reply (using Reply and not Reply All) 
would have sufficed. I don't need all should be right with the world (not 
accurate in any event because it depends upon concrete action by every 
individual member to avoid duplicate messages) or public service ( if it's 
so public, why not put it in the information presented to all subscribers 
during the process of subscription?).


I value this list, a great deal. The information available here is both 
unique and inestimably valuable, and I do not wish to be administratively 
unsubscribed. I have endeavored in this response to adhere to the guidelines 
given in the above-mentioned reference. My hope is that the administrators 
will understand that those of us who subscribe to multiple lists, all of 
which use the Reply To munging described in your links, are somewhat 
nonplussed when this list behaves differently than the way to which we have 
become accustomed. Since it is clearly your wish that this is the way it 
should be, I ask only that you provide this information to subscribers of 
the list in a manner which  does not result in an after the fact 
admonishment of the list users.


I remain,
Your most humble servant,

Scott Glasgow

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Re: [css-d] Simple two columns

2005-08-30 Thread Stevio
Lol yeah I still believe in using tables at times for layout, so much more 
reliable and simple and does what you expect and you don't need workarounds.


Stephen

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From: Rob Agar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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How do I stop col2 wrapping below col1 however when the
browser window is
shrunk down in size? (Has to work in IE).


table cellspacing=0
tr
td class=col1.../td
td class=col2.../td
/tr
/table

OK, I'm a green + knobbly troll.  But it would work, and it's simple... 




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Re: [css-d] IE 5.5 problem

2005-08-30 Thread Bob Easton

Michael Wiggin wrote:

Hi,
I've tried to find the solution myself with no luck.  I have a 
design that plays well with IE6, IE Mac5.2, Firefox(Mac  PC), Safari, 
and Opera(Mac) but breaks in IE 5.5.  The problem is the section just 
below a styled ul.  I have a feeling that I may be missing something 
obvious.  The page is at http://www.mikewiggin.com/resume.html and the 
css is at http://www.mikewiggin.com/bubbles.css




How does it break?  Looks the same in IE 5.5 as in IE6 and FF on WIN XP Pro.



PS:  I new to this.

Hmmm?  The resume claims HTML 6 yrs, CSS 4 yrs.

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Re: [css-d] Is this an IE rendering error ?

2005-08-30 Thread Bob Easton

Tom Steenhuysen wrote:
I have 2 strange things going on in trying to design a fluid 3 and 4 
column :


1) the two columns in the middle are both 50% wide - but when you change 
the width of IE [drag the edge], then there seems to be an intermittent 
1-pixel difference which drops the second column below the first column.


2) when you slowly drag IE's side edge, then there appear gaps in the 
background images [under the H3 headings] - but when you move your mouse 
over it, the background come back.


LINK= http://samp.ivosite.com


The first is a rounding error caused by IE not knowing how to divide a 
space into even 50% portions when the space is an odd number of pixels 
wide.  Change one of those values to 49% and it will be solved.


The second *might* be the guilloitne bug. See: 
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/guillotine.html


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Re: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread Bob Easton

Ron Adams wrote:

I have 2 divs on a page, and the top one is an unknown size, the bottom
one must fill the rest of the space to the bottom of the browser window.
How do I do this with CSS?

A simplyfied example below.


You can't.  Divs expand to the height of their content (plus padding and 
margins), and no further.  To fill a space, you need to put something of 
that height inside the div, or set the div to that explicit height.  If 
you don't know the height, find a JavaScript script to do it for you. 
Our WIKI has examples:

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/

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[css-d] Best IR technique ?

2005-08-30 Thread Guillaume



Hi all,

could someone advise the best/safest Image Replacement (IR) technique to 
use: cross browser friendly, screen reader accessible.
Seems the classic Todd Fahrner method is not catched safely by all 
screen readers and just fails if the server never sends the image.
Another method suggests to use text-indent:-999em, but causes problems 
with Ie 5 Win wich will also indent the background-image.
A last method suggested by Pixy uses z-index and absolute positioning to 
cover the text with the replacing image.
Is this last method safe and the best one ? Any other IR tricks to 
mention/point ?


Thanks.

Guillaume.
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Re: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread andrew welch
On 8/30/05, Bob Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ron Adams wrote:
  I have 2 divs on a page, and the top one is an unknown size, the bottom
  one must fill the rest of the space to the bottom of the browser window.
  How do I do this with CSS?
 
  A simplyfied example below.
 
 You can't.  Divs expand to the height of their content (plus padding and
 margins), and no further.  To fill a space, you need to put something of
 that height inside the div, or set the div to that explicit height.  If
 you don't know the height, find a JavaScript script to do it for you.
 Our WIKI has examples:
 http://css-discuss.incutio.com/

This is a real issue and one that should have been addressed by the
CSS spec.  Setting a table to 100% high in IE in quirks mode makes the
table the height of the screen, a really useful feature.  This isn't
available in standards mode, and there is *no* equivalent in a
tableless design.

Why is there a need to supply a fixed value height at some point in
the hierarchy - why not just take the hight of the body as the fixed
value?  (And, it certainly doesn't work to specify html, body {
height: 100% } - that's just silly - since when should the html tag
need a height?)

Does anyone know the spec authors reasoning behind not making this
possible without javascript?  Isn't it considered bad form to use
anything other than CSS to format the output?

It seems to me to a big a hole in the spec.
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Re: [css-d] Best IR technique ?

2005-08-30 Thread Jan Brasna

BTW: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ImageReplacement

A last method suggested by Pixy uses z-index and absolute positioning to 
cover the text with the replacing image.
Is this last method safe and the best one ? 


This one is bulletproof.
If you can live with it's non-semantic overhead, it's best solution.


Any other IR tricks to mention/point ?


Anatoly's DIR
http://fecklessmind.com/main/5/definitive-solution-to-image-replacement

Dynatext
http://alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/

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[css-d] Site check please - Essie Croft

2005-08-30 Thread Mike Davies
Hi,

I have a small problem with this site viewed in Opera and Firefox.
Doesn't appear in IE/Win.

There is a space above the horizontal navigation menu. The colours will
be changed before going live but have been left to show the problem.

Any assistance appreciated. TIA

Regards,
Mike Davies

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Re: [css-d] Simple two columns

2005-08-30 Thread Holly Bergevin
From: Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It seems like the simplest solution is the following:
.col1 {
 width: 50%;
 float: left;
}
.col2 {
 width: 50%;
 float: left;
}

div class=col1Content/div
div class=col2Content/div

How do I stop col2 wrapping below col1 however when the browser window is 
shrunk down in size? (Has to work in IE).

Set the widths to less than 50% to accomplish this, perhaps 49% each. Be aware 
that if you add margins, padding or borders to the column div elements, you may 
need to make the percentage you use for the width smaller to keep the second 
column from wrapping. 

Hope that helps,

~holly 

Thanks,
Stephen

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To: Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED]; CSS Discuss 
css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] Simple two columns


 Hi Stephen


 How do I go about making two simple columns to sit side by side to each 
 other using CSS?

 If you go to this link on the css-d site, you will find some two column 
 layouts, maybe one of these will help you out?
 http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=TwoColumnLayouts

 More links for layouts
 http://css-discuss.incutio.com/

 hth!

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 http://directory.css-styling.com
 http://fmsforum.debsplace.org
 A site in progress:
 http://debsplace.org




 



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RE: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread CJ Larson
This[1] is a real issue and one that should have been addressed by the
CSS spec.  Setting a table to 100% high in IE in quirks mode makes the
table the height of the screen, a really useful feature.  This isn't
available in standards mode, and there is *no* equivalent in a
tableless design.

No need for quirks mode, I don't think.  Set html,body{height:100%} (as
well as your table) and you should be good to go in standards mode.

I'll let others reply to the more specific height details of CSS, as I
can get it working but don't understand it as well as I'd like to.

[1] making page content full height of the screen without hard coding
height.
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[css-d] Re: Site check please - Essie Croft

2005-08-30 Thread Mike Davies
Hi,
Apologies to all who responded. The site is at www.integra-server.co.uk/essie/

I have a small problem with this site viewed in Opera and Firefox.
Doesn't appear in IE/Win.

There is a space above the horizontal navigation menu. The colours will
be changed before going live but have been left to show the problem.

Any assistance appreciated. TIA

Regards,
Mike Davies

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Re: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread andrew welch
 No need for quirks mode, I don't think.  Set html,body{height:100%} (as
 well as your table) and you should be good to go in standards mode.

Hmmm why does html and body need a height?  That is surely a hack.
 
 I'll let others reply to the more specific height details of CSS, as I
 can get it working but don't understand it as well as I'd like to.
 
 [1] making page content full height of the screen without hard coding
 height.

Ok, I'll throw it open to the CSS experts.  Two divs:

divHeader/div
divlots of content/div

The requirement is that the header div must not scroll off the page,
it should remain fixed at the top of the page.  The content div will
fill with content and should be scrollable vertically when needed.

Constraining that contents div to the available viewport is the issue
(and having it resize with the viewport) - if this is possible in a
standards compliant way using only CSS I would be very thankful (and
mightily impressed as I don't think it's possible).
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Re: [css-d] Best IR technique ?

2005-08-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Guillaume wrote:
Any other IR tricks to mention/point ?

http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp

Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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Re[2]: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread Steve Clay
Tuesday, August 30, 2005, 10:00:05 AM, andrew welch wrote:
 Hmmm why does html and body need a height?  That is surely a hack.

Explanation: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/100percheight.html

 The requirement is that the header div must not scroll off the page,
 it should remain fixed at the top of the page.  The content div will
 fill with content and should be scrollable vertically when needed.

Try this: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/cssframes/
You can take out the footer and adjust values accordingly.

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Re: [css-d] Best IR technique ?

2005-08-30 Thread !!blue
On 8/30/05, Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,
 --snip--
 Any other IR tricks to mention/point ?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Guillaume.

You know, I've tried a DOM technique[1] one with success. But don't
know if it's screen reader accessible. Anyone know?

But I had to change one part of the script: the part that checks for
browser support of image replacement.  The original script would work
intermittently, i.e. one refresh the script would replace images vs.
another refresh the script wouldn't do anything.

You can see the modified-DOM technique here on my work's project
website (with the part I added from Landridge's book DHTML Utopia):
http://samples.slackbarshinger.com/
(JS code: http://samples.slackbarshinger.com/js/toggle-image.js)

The script replaces the H1 element with the appropriate image. If
anyone has any improvements I can make to the scripts, /please/ let me
know. I'm still learning DOM. ;-)

ciao,
Zulema

[1] DOM - Image replacement http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/fir.html
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Re: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread Eric A. Meyer

At 3:00 PM +0100 8/30/05, andrew welch wrote:


 No need for quirks mode, I don't think.  Set html,body{height:100%} (as
 well as your table) and you should be good to go in standards mode.


Hmmm why does html and body need a height?  That is surely a hack.


   Or, you know... not.


Ok, I'll throw it open to the CSS experts.  Two divs:

divHeader/div
divlots of content/div

The requirement is that the header div must not scroll off the page,
it should remain fixed at the top of the page.  The content div will
fill with content and should be scrollable vertically when needed.


   That's totally possible in CSS, and it's actually possible in two 
different ways.  Getting it to work in browsers, though-- that's the 
trick.
   Method one basically recreates a frame set without the frame 
markup.  It goes something like this:


   html, body {height: 100%;}
   #header, #content {position: fixed;}
   #header {top: 0; left: 0; right: 0; height: 50px;}
   #content {top: 50px; bottom: 0; left: 0; right: 0;
 overflow: scroll;}

You could, of course, replace the '50px' values with a different one, 
using any unit you like, including percentages.
   Method two nails the header to the top of the viewport, and lets 
the rest of the content scroll underneath it.


   #header {position: fixed; top: 0; left: 0; right: 0; height: 50px;}
   #content {padding-top: 50px;}

Again, you're free to replace the '50px' with something else.
   The problem with both methods is IE/Win, which doesn't support 
'fixed' on 'position', so the effect wont' be what you want.  There 
are JS and behavioral solutions to fake support for 'position: fixed' 
in IE/Win, such as Dean Edwards' IE7, but I find them to be largely 
unsatisfactory because the element scrolls around and then jumps into 
place.
   An adapted approach is to have IE/Win absolutely position the 
header and just accept that it will scroll in IE/Win while remaining 
in place for all other modern browsers.  That would be:


   #header {position: fixed; top: 0; left: 0; right: 0; height: 50px;}
   * html #header {position: absolute;}  /* for IE/Win */
   #content {padding-top: 50px;}

Hopefully one of those solutions will work for you.

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Re: [css-d] Question about the list - Public apology

2005-08-30 Thread Adam Kuehn

Scott Glasgow wrote:

Adam Kuehn wrote:

Scott Glasgow wrote:

 If I hit Reply All, it does go to the list, but sends a separate
copy to the sender (which can be annoying to the recipient, I would
imagine). [...]


This page was written for you:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssDiscussListHeaders.[...]


I do not have a problem with this decision by the list moderators. I 
do, however, wonder why this was not included in what seems to be 
the list guidelines (the very definite ground rules) or any other 
of the information which I assiduously read whule subscribing.


Perhaps it should be.  It is definitely a FAQ, and as such we have 
put it on the Wiki, a link to which appears in the footer of every 
list message.  But since this does come up from time to time, perhaps 
it needs to be more prominent.  Thank you for the suggestion.


I am not a newbie to the Web, nor to online communications, having 
watched lines of text being spelled out letter by letter at 300 baud 
back in 1983 on a character-mode-only 9 inch amber monochrome 
screen.


Dang, you've got me beat.  My first home modem was 2400 baud, and I 
could get 1200 baud on the school modems.  I remember having to use 
AT commands, too, and I thank the software gods that I no longer have 
to remember what a DIP switch is.


Please do not patronize me. A simple reply (using Reply and not 
Reply All) would have sufficed. I don't need all should be right 
with the world (not accurate in any event because it depends upon 
concrete action by every individual member to avoid duplicate 
messages) or public service ( if it's so public, why not put it in 
the information presented to all subscribers during the process of 
subscription?).


But here I do sincerely apologize.  I intended neither to patronize, 
nor offend.  I've been on lists that do Reply-To both ways, and it 
can be disconcerting that this parameter varies from list to list.  I 
was making an attempt to be light-hearted about this 
sometimes-annoying problem, but clearly the effort failed.  I am 
sorry.


I did, however, present that post as a public service.  As I 
mentioned, this comes up from time-to-time, and I felt that a post 
from a moderator which reviewed the subject (especially including the 
part about avoiding duplicates) would be a good thing.  There is a 
sharp divide as to whether or not our Reply-To policy is desirable, 
and I wanted to make sure that those who feel inconvenienced by it 
were reminded of a way we have to minimize some of the perceived 
negative impact you mentioned in your original post.


I value this list, a great deal. The information available here is 
both unique and inestimably valuable, and I do not wish to be 
administratively unsubscribed.


You are in no danger of that, certainly.  (I believe it has happened 
exactly one time in the entire history of this list, thanks to the 
very high quality of our list members.)  We do value your 
contributions, and I hope you can forgive the rantings of an old web 
denizen which were in no way intended as an admonishment.  I look 
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[css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Timothy J. Luoma
One day only !

Go here
http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml

As seen here (blog of Opera employee)
http://weblog.timaltman.com/node/791

No catch, except that these licenses don't get you premium support
(i.e. direct email to/from Opera... but the forums and mailing lists
have Opera employees on them.)

No lengthy forms to fill out :

1) Provide your email address
2) opt-IN (the good kind) to their mailing list, if you want to

That's it!

TjL
(not an employee, just an Opera Lover
http://operalover.tntluoma.com/8/
temporarily coming up to share this news with some folks who I thought
might be interested in it)
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Re: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread andrew welch
 Ok, I'll throw it open to the CSS experts.  Two divs:
 
 divHeader/div
 divlots of content/div
 
 The requirement is that the header div must not scroll off the page,
 it should remain fixed at the top of the page.  The content div will
 fill with content and should be scrollable vertically when needed.
 
 That's totally possible in CSS, and it's actually possible in two
 different ways.  Getting it to work in browsers, though-- that's the
 trick.
 Method one basically recreates a frame set without the frame
 markup.  It goes something like this:
 
 html, body {height: 100%;}
 #header, #content {position: fixed;}
 #header {top: 0; left: 0; right: 0; height: 50px;}
 #content {top: 50px; bottom: 0; left: 0; right: 0;
   overflow: scroll;}
 
 You could, of course, replace the '50px' values with a different one,
 using any unit you like, including percentages.
 Method two nails the header to the top of the viewport, and lets
 the rest of the content scroll underneath it.
 
 #header {position: fixed; top: 0; left: 0; right: 0; height: 50px;}
 #content {padding-top: 50px;}
 
 Again, you're free to replace the '50px' with something else.
 The problem with both methods is IE/Win, which doesn't support
 'fixed' on 'position', so the effect wont' be what you want.  There
 are JS and behavioral solutions to fake support for 'position: fixed'
 in IE/Win, such as Dean Edwards' IE7, but I find them to be largely
 unsatisfactory because the element scrolls around and then jumps into
 place.
 An adapted approach is to have IE/Win absolutely position the
 header and just accept that it will scroll in IE/Win while remaining
 in place for all other modern browsers.  That would be:
 
 #header {position: fixed; top: 0; left: 0; right: 0; height: 50px;}
 * html #header {position: absolute;}  /* for IE/Win */
 #content {padding-top: 50px;}
 
 Hopefully one of those solutions will work for you.

Ahhh I take it all back - method one is exactly what I was after.  I
see now why the hole is in IE not supporting fixed and not in the spec
(I was approaching the problem from the wrong end).

One point - is possible to only have the vertical scrollbar and not
the horizontal? (overflow-y in IE)

Thanks for the explanation,
andrew
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Re: [css-d] simple problem - difficult solution

2005-08-30 Thread David Laakso



divHeader/div
divlots of content/div

The requirement is that the header div must not scroll off the page,
it should remain fixed at the top of the page.  The content div will
fill with content and should be scrollable vertically when needed.
 

Anne van Kesteren post on fixed positioning with example layouts may be 
of interest to you?

http://annevankesteren.nl/2004/07/fixed-positioning

Regards,
David Laakso


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Re: [css-d] pure css popups help

2005-08-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater

Steve wrote:


problem with pure css popups in firefox (outta wak), and IE (pc) none at all .
 



A quick google for pure css popups gives you this explanation of and 
fix for IE's bug as the second result:

http://www.tanfa.co.uk/css/articles/pure-css-popups-bug.asp

And this somewhat simpler explanation as the fifth result:
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/ie6_purecsspopups.html

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Re: [css-d] Site check please - Essie Croft

2005-08-30 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 8/30/05, Mike Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There is a space above the horizontal navigation menu. The colours will
 be changed before going live but have been left to show the problem.

Adding:
#navlist {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style-type: none;
}
Should fix the problem...  you forgot to remove margins on the ul.  
Another problem, though, is that different default font sizes on
windows IE/Opera force the horizontal menu onto two lines (on my
computer, at least).  This can be fixed by adding an absolute font
size in html,body: font-size: 16px; worked well for me.

Ricky
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Re: [css-d] application question

2005-08-30 Thread Ricky Zhou
 I was wondering if anyone can suggest an affordable
 solution for designing logos/gifs (for FIR purposes)?
For vector-based, Inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org/) is good (and
open soure).
Assuming that you're using windows (since you have microsoft paint),
you can download a gui installer for GIMP from
http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html.

Ricky
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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:36:03 -0400, Timothy J. Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Go here
http://


apparently, everyone did go there. Servers are sure getting a beating

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Re: [css-d] IE 5.5 problem

2005-08-30 Thread David Laakso



Hi,
I've tried to find the solution myself with no luck.  I have a 
design that plays well with IE6, IE Mac5.2, Firefox(Mac  PC), 
Safari, and Opera(Mac) but breaks in IE 5.5.  The problem is the 
section just below a styled ul.  I have a feeling that I may be 
missing something obvious.  The page is at 
http://www.mikewiggin.com/resume.html and the css is at 
http://www.mikewiggin.com/bubbles.css


Breaking, no-- unreadable and not zoom-able, yes. 



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[css-d] site check: IE MAC

2005-08-30 Thread jeremy

Hi there...
I am having some problems with this site on IE for Mac (no surprises..) 
The content is starting halfway down the page.

http://tct2005.com/

I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction towards 
debugging the issue.

thanks
-jeremy

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Re: [css-d] Question about the list - Public apology

2005-08-30 Thread Scott Glasgow
Thank you for your most gracious response, Adam. I am really enjoying the 
list and am constantly impressed with the knowledge and experience of the 
participants. My subfolders for saving messages containing tips, techniques, 
examples, etc. are growing like Topsy, and I anticipate learning a great 
deal more from the list, and maybe even tossing in a little something myself 
now and then. ;-)


Cheers,
Scott

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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread !!blue
On 8/30/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:36:03 -0400, Timothy J. Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Go here
  http://
 
 apparently, everyone did go there. Servers are sure getting a beating
 

it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser other
than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all you got were
blank boxes.

yeah I feel kinda foolish :-D

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[css-d] Accessibility and font sizing

2005-08-30 Thread Scott Glasgow

Felix Miata wrote:
::SNIP::

Small equals approximately 88.75%, so the result due to the cascade is
the p text is 88.75% X 80% X 90%, or 63.9%. To the poor IE user
already requiring larger or largest text in the first place,
you're making it (unless a rare user who knows how to locate and
select ignore font sizes specified on web pages) impossible to make
comfortably large enough to read if large enough to read at all:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/crysanct2.png

::SNIP::

This brings up a question I have been wondering about. What is the consensus
(if there is a consensus :-) on the best way to provide resizable
(accessible) text while still permitting reasonably consistent layout
without torturous CSS? Font-size keywords? Relative sizes? I've found and
read some online resources on the subject and I believe that I would lean
toward font-size keywords, but I'm interested in finding if there are more
reasons to choose a different method which I haven't encountered.

Cheers,
Scott

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Re: [css-d] application question

2005-08-30 Thread Jono
Photoshop Elements is 95% as good as Photoshop and can be found for less
than $80 if you shop around.  Not free, but more than worth its price tag.

Photoshop Elements:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelwin/main.html

For logos, I'd much (much) rather have a pure vector application such as
Adobe's Illustrator, which is very expensive.  I've never tried the GIMP
programs, but they may do the trick?


On 8/30/05 12:11 PM, Patrick Roane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was wondering if anyone can suggest an affordable
 solution for designing logos/gifs (for FIR purposes)?
... 
 I know that a lot of professionals use programs like
 Photoshop ...but I just can't affort the price-tag on
 such a beast.


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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Mark Lundquist


On Aug 30, 2005, at 2:34 PM, !!blue wrote:


it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser other
than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all you got were
blank boxes.


it worked fine for me from Safari...
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RE: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Dean Matsueda
 it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser 
 other than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all 
 you got were blank boxes.

Seems to work with Safari.
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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread patrick
!!blue wrote:
 On 8/30/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:36:03 -0400, Timothy J. Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


Go here
http://

apparently, everyone did go there. Servers are sure getting a beating

 
 
 it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser other
 than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all you got were
 blank boxes.
 
 yeah I feel kinda foolish :-D
 


Worked just fine in FireFox for the PC.

You can also email them for it:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

/patrick
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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Greg Morphis
Worked fine from Firefox

On 8/30/05, Dean Matsueda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser
  other than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all
  you got were blank boxes.
 
 Seems to work with Safari.
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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Scott Glasgow

Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

One day only !

Go here
http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml


::SNIP::

TjL
(not an employee, just an Opera Lover
http://operalover.tntluoma.com/8/
temporarily coming up to share this news with some folks who I thought
might be interested in it)


Thanks, Timothy! Link took me straight in, got my reg code, installed 8.02,
registered it. Cool! Nice of the guys to do this, and thanks again for
bringing it to our attention.

Cheers,
Scott

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[css-d] replacing image map links with css

2005-08-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A friend has an image map that has certain hot spots that when pointed 
to, display some text and link to another page.  This is done with 
javascript and sliced images.


I was thinking this can be done with a background image and some links 
which are positioned relative to the container.  He wants it to be a 
sort of 'mystery-meat' navigation.  You need to discover where the 
hotspots are.  So they need to be invisible until you mouse over.


Can I get some ideas on the best way to do this?

Here is the original site:

http://acastronovo.com/

Joel Goldstick
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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Scott Glasgow

!!blue wrote:

On 8/30/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:36:03 -0400, Timothy J. Luoma
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Go here
http://


apparently, everyone did go there. Servers are sure getting a
beating 



it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser other
than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all you got were
blank boxes.

yeah I feel kinda foolish :-D


Really? Worked fine for me using IE 6.0. You might want to try again... 


Cheers,
Scott

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Re: [css-d] replacing image map links with css

2005-08-30 Thread Jan Brasna

Maybe http://alistapart.com/articles/imagemap/ ?

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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Felix Miata
!!blue wrote:
 
 it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser other
 than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all you got were
 blank boxes.
 
 yeah I feel kinda foolish :-D

It worked for me in SeaMonkey. At least, it gave me codes for all
browser versions it offers. Maybe it did that because I'm using OS/2 and
Opera has no current version for it?
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RE: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
!!blue wrote:

 it won't give u the registration code if your using a 
 browser other than Opera. 

I got one with IE6 -- just had to CTRL+F5 a few times to convince it to
give.


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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Weyert de Boer

It worked fine for me the serial code works for me under Windows.
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[css-d] Redux: Opera is giving away the ad-free version of their browser for free

2005-08-30 Thread Scott Glasgow
For those who may have a problem getting to the site (some people have 
reported demand has affected availability), here's an alternate way to get 
your free registration, which depends only on email. Note the time frame 
during which the offer is valid.


Cheers,
Scott
=
To celebrate their 10th anniversary, Opera is giving away the ad-free 
version of their browser for free. The download page at Download.com states 
the following:
 For one day only, you can get an ad-free version of Opera. Simply e-mail 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to obtain a registration code. This offer is valid from 
12 a.m. Tuesday, August 30 to 12 a.m. Wednesday, August 31 2005 (PDT).


 (from http://forevergeek.com/)

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[ADMIN] Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Alex Robinson

 Opera giveaway - which browsers can get the reg keys 


Alright everybody, we get the picture.

This thread will now cease since it has got nothing to do with CSS.


Alex
css-d moderator


p.s. thanks Timothy for flagging this up in the first place
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Re: [css-d] Simple two columns

2005-08-30 Thread Stevio
Rob, to be honest, that is the solution I have gone for after much messing 
about trying various suggested solutions. Trying to do simple columns in css 
is just too complicated (perhaps why there are oodles of pages on the net 
about finding perfect column solutions).


The table solution is so much more reliable, robust, doesn't break, and does 
what it says on the tin. You don't have to worry about clearing problems 
either (which I was having because I had floated both columns but I also had 
a left floated navigation div to the left of that) or wrapping problems.


Someone remind me what is wrong with doing this? I mean, floating divs to 
make columns is not actually what they are meant for anyway is it? In which 
case we are using them for the wrong purpose, which is exactly what the 
criticism of tables is.


Apologies if this comes over as a rant or upsets anyone. I am still using 
floated divs for design don't worry, but I think that there are times when 
tables for layout is still the best way to go.


Stephen

- Original Message - 
From: Rob Agar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'CSS Discuss' css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:29 AM
Subject: RE: [css-d] Simple two columns



How do I stop col2 wrapping below col1 however when the
browser window is
shrunk down in size? (Has to work in IE).


table cellspacing=0
tr
td class=col1.../td
td class=col2.../td
/tr
/table

OK, I'm a green + knobbly troll.  But it would work, and it's simple...

Rob 




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[ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: [css-d] application question

2005-08-30 Thread Alex Robinson

I was wondering if anyone can suggest an affordable
solution for designing logos/gifs (for FIR purposes)?


Can this thread come to an end?

If you want to discuss this, there are plenty of more suitable venues 
than css-d


  http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic


Frankly people, do not treat css-d as a place you can just dump 
general web development questions.



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Re: [css-d] replacing image map links with css

2005-08-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
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 A friend has an image map that has certain hot spots that when pointed
 to, display some text and link to another page.  This is done with
 javascript and sliced images.

What about using CSS popups?
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/css%20pop%20ups/

Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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[css-d] problem with nav bar

2005-08-30 Thread Matt Lemay
Hi all this will be my first post on this list. I am having a problem with a 
site I am building mostly using css. There is a left side navigation bar that 
is made up of .gif's, the last one having a height of 100% so it resizes with 
the content. The problem is it resizes irregularly sometimes not expanding all 
the way to the bottom, sometimes leaving a lot of unwanted open space after the 
last div. I have tried everything i can think of but nothing has worked. Any 
ideas? 

The site is here:
 http://www.lpcapitalinvestments.com/118eharvard.html

and the external style sheet can be viewed here:
http://www.lpcapitalinvestments.com/styles.css

thanks for your help
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[css-d] Second Site Check, Please!

2005-08-30 Thread Kelly Miller

http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/designs/rpgsource/final/template2.htm

I managed to fix the font problem and the problem with resizing the 
columns in IE.  The site should now work without horizontal scrollbars 
in IE, but I'm looking for potential problems anywhere in the layout.  
Thanks ^^


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Re: [css-d] problem with nav bar

2005-08-30 Thread Tim Quinton
I'm no guru, but I'd take a look at getting rid of the javascript and do a 
css only menu. Here are some sites I used for info:

http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/uberlinks/index.htm
http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/css%5Ftd/
and
http://www.cssdrive.com/index.php/examples/exampleitem/blue_blocks_menu
use ONE image background for in your style
ie:
{background-image: url(menubackg.gif);

I'm mucking with my own menu at
http://www.electricvillages.com/berm/test.php
www.electricvillages.com/berm/stripped.css

I've got my own problem with my menu - the text is the link - I want the 
background to be the active link also.


Anyone have suggestions?

Tim

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Hi all this will be my first post on this list. I am having a problem with a 
site I am building mostly using css. There is a left side navigation bar 
that is made up of .gif's, the last one having a height of 100% so it 
resizes with the content. The problem is it resizes irregularly sometimes 
not expanding all the way to the bottom, sometimes leaving a lot of unwanted 
open space after the last div. I have tried everything i can think of but 
nothing has worked. Any ideas?


The site is here:
http://www.lpcapitalinvestments.com/118eharvard.html

and the external style sheet can be viewed here:
http://www.lpcapitalinvestments.com/styles.css

thanks for your help
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Re: [css-d] problem with nav bar

2005-08-30 Thread Kelly Miller

Matt Lemay wrote:

Hi all this will be my first post on this list. I am having a problem with a site I am building mostly using css. There is a left side navigation bar that is made up of .gif's, the last one having a height of 100% so it resizes with the content. The problem is it resizes irregularly sometimes not expanding all the way to the bottom, sometimes leaving a lot of unwanted open space after the last div. I have tried everything i can think of but nothing has worked. Any ideas? 


The site is here:
http://www.lpcapitalinvestments.com/118eharvard.html

and the external style sheet can be viewed here:
http://www.lpcapitalinvestments.com/styles.css

thanks for your help
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You know...your HTML is invalid.  I'd suggest making it valid HTML 4.0 
at least (at this point, it's not even valid HTML 3.2).


Oh, one suggestion, even though it's off-topic...using the attributes 
onmouseover and onmouseout is usually a bad idea.  You do know you can 
assign events to HTML tags without using the attributes, right?  Try 
starting here:  http://www.quirksmode.org/js/introevents.html .


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RE: [css-d] Simple two columns

2005-08-30 Thread Rob Agar
Stevio:
 The table solution is so much more reliable, robust, doesn't 
 break, and does what it says on the tin. 

yep, that's precisely the conclusion I came to.  As a programmer, I *do*
want to do things properly, but sometimes the correct way is way more
painful than it should be. Maybe it's a case of the old
not-quite-mature-until-version-3 syndrome - I believe CSS3 has explicit
specifications for multi column layouts.

Did you try Holly's 49% solution?  That looked nice and clean.

Rob

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Re: [css-d] site check: IE MAC

2005-08-30 Thread Roger Roelofs

Jeremy,

On Aug 30, 2005, at 2:57 PM, jeremy wrote:


Hi there...
I am having some problems with this site on IE for Mac (no 
surprises..) The content is starting halfway down the page.

http://tct2005.com/

I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction 
towards debugging the issue.


IE/Mac was written before css 2.1.  CSS 2.0 requires that floated 
elements have a width defined.  Since #love has no width specified, 
ie/mac makes it 100% in width, forcing the other elements down.  CSS 
2.1 allows floats to 'shrink-to-fit'.


hth

Roger,

Roger Roelofs
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Re: [css-d] new to css

2005-08-30 Thread Roger Roelofs

Patrick,

On Aug 29, 2005, at 9:38 PM, Patrick Roane wrote:


I've been working on a site that is supposed to
funtion as a pure liquid .css site:

www.lessstressdoctor.com/test/index.html

The problem I am having is with IE 5 and 5.2 for MAC.
For some reason the words 'services' 'bio' and
'testimonials' (each on their respective pages ...see
the nav bar) overlap the text. Only after I hit the
re-fresh button do they adjust.

Also, on the 'contact' page (again, a problem with the
above mentioned browser), every other field is out of
line with it's corrisponding label.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do iron
out these problems?


Step 1 should be to remove the html and css errors.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A// 
www.lessstressdoctor.com/test/bio.html
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator? 
profile=css2warning=2uri=http%3A//www.lessstressdoctor.com/test/ 
bio.html


Step 2 should be to remove the css that is not actually used on the  
site.


When you strip it down to the essentials, the problems will be easier  
to find and fix.


hth
Roger,

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Re: [css-d] trouble centering a span

2005-08-30 Thread Roger Roelofs

Josh,

On Aug 29, 2005, at 3:07 PM, joshua hough wrote:

Can someone take a quick look at http://lblesd.k12.or.us/test.php 
and http://lblesd.k12.or.us/default.css and help me to vertically 
and horizontally center the date stamp near the upper-right corner?  
It's outlined in red and currently says August 29, 2005.  This is a 
span set within the div that contains the blue tabs.  The div is 
text-align: left and fills the width of its parent.  I'd like to 
center the date in the remaining 19px by 160px blue space to the right 
of the last tab.  It refuses to be 160px wide or 19px tall.  Making it 
a div pushes it below the tabs.


The date is in a span, which is an 'inline' element by default.  It 
will not obey the width or height box properties.  The simplest 
approach that comes to mind is use the text properties 'vertical-align: 
top; line-height: 1.4'  Tweak the line-height to alter the vertical 
position.


hth
Roger,

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Re: [css-d] Opera ASA giving away license codes (1 day only!)

2005-08-30 Thread Phil Gohr

it won't give u the registration code if your using a browser other
than Opera. just in case you tried it like me and all you got were
blank boxes.

yeah I feel kinda foolish :-D

hmmm i used IE6 and had no prob getting the registration code.
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Re: [css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-30 Thread Tracy Shorrock

Hi,

I'm getting rid of the ugly outline that appears on an image when it's 
used as a link. It doesn't seem to be set to default, as when I don't 
set -moz-outline I get the ugly borders when I click the links.


Cheers,

Tracy


On Wednesday, August 24, 2005, at 03:40  am, Peter Williams wrote:


Why do you need to declare outline and moz-outline for this image?
Especially when you are setting them to none, isn't that the default?



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Re: [css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-30 Thread Tracy Shorrock

Hi Philippe,

Will do, thanks.

As Zoe pointed out, it isn't causing a problem in browsers so I'm not 
going to worry about it too much...


Cheers, and thanks to all who responded.

Tracy

On Wednesday, August 24, 2005, at 05:55  am, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

BTW, you're better off by first specifying the vendor-specific 
property, and then the official one; vendor specific stuff could be 
processed slightly differently. In Tracy's case, apply it this way:
#footer img { vertical-align: middle; -moz-outline:none; outline: 
none;}


As a side note, DeerPark (and the upcoming  Firefox 1.5) fully 
supports the official 'outline' property. And it supports the CSS3 
'outline-offset' property.



Philippe


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Re: [css-d] trouble centering a span

2005-08-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
joshua hough wrote:
 Can someone take a quick look at http://lblesd.k12.or.us/test.php
 and http://lblesd.k12.or.us/default.css and help me to vertically
 and horizontally center the date stamp near the upper-right corner?

Joshua,
You could try to put #date *before* your navigation bar in the markup and
then float it right, like this:
#date {float:right;width:155px;text-align:center;
font-size:.9em;color:#fff;line-height:19px}

HTH,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com

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Re: [css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-30 Thread Kelly Miller

Tracy Shorrock wrote:

I'm getting rid of the ugly outline that appears on an image when it's 
used as a link. It doesn't seem to be set to default, as when I don't 
set -moz-outline I get the ugly borders when I click the links.


That ugly outline is actually a border, not an outline.  Try this:

a img   {border-width: 0}

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