[css-d] CSS for custom fonts

2006-03-23 Thread willem elsen
I'm having a problem concerning a site that needs a custom font that's not 
standard in peoples pc's.
I've searched the whole web to find this, finally got here and thought, these 
smart people will help me =).
So please do help me, I know it is browser specific but I'll take it anyway ;-)

It would be a great help to get that CSS code, the file is named Dirtyego.eot 
and comes from dafont.com (dorry for spam)

Thank you for your time

Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] CSS for custom fonts

2006-03-23 Thread ian
.I'm having a problem concerning a site that needs a custom font that's not 
standard in peoples pc's.
 I've searched the whole web to find this, finally got here and thought, 
 these smart people will help me =).
 So please do help me, I know it is browser specific but I'll take it 
 anyway ;-)

 It would be a great help to get that CSS code, the file is named 
 Dirtyego.eot and comes from dafont.com (dorry for spam)

 Thank you for your time

You can do it, however it is Internet Explorer-only. Have a look at 
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/ie/weft.html for how it's done.

An alternative, might be 
http://www.shauninman.com/plete/2004/04/ifr-revisited-and-revised if you 
don't mind using a hint of Flash and JavaScript.


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Re: [css-d] simple box model question - I think

2006-03-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Don Hinshaw wrote:
 Hello list,
 I am trying to present a photo with a border around it that is 4px away 
 from the image and I am struggling with why IE 5x does not respect the 
 padding on the image that creates the 4px buffer in IE6, FF, Safari etc.
 As usual, I suspect the answer is staring me in the face, but I am stumped.
 Here is a sample URL stripped down for easier debugging with the style 
 inline.
 http://72.29.65.35/~somedom/css/image_border_test.html
   

Don,

There is no answer. IE5x just won't do it, because it's old and terribly 
buggy. If you really must have that gap, you'll have to wrap the image 
in a div and apply the padding and border to it instead. But this is 
probably not worth it for such a small cosmetic issue in such an old 
browser.

Zoe

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Re: [css-d] CSS for custom fonts

2006-03-23 Thread Dejan Kozina

 It would be a great help to get that CSS code, the file is named 
 Dirtyego.eot and comes from dafont.com (dorry for spam)

EOT (stands for Embedded Object Type) was an attempt to define a 
standard font format back in the era of v.4 browsers. I had to dig 
across long forgotten code to retrieve these snippets:

@font-face { font-family: myfont; font-style:  normal; font-weight: 
normal; src: url(fontname.eot); }
body { font-family: myfont, Times, Times New Roman, serif; }

It only worked in IE. You had to use Microsoft's WEFT to convert a font 
into .eot (using a sample page, because it always wanted to rewrite all 
your files itself). No matter what the webpage at 
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/ says, the 
latest version of WEFT was 5.3.2 and you had to register into 
Microsoft's VOLT Community to obtain it.

A word of caution: when converting to .eot you had to explicitly list 
the web adresses where the font was to be used (kind of rudimentary 
DRM), so your downloaded .eot might work fine when testing from disk 
(because the original developer would have listed 'file:///c:\' as a 
valid source for testing) but fail to embed when called from your 
webserver. As far as I can remember there was no way to put * into the 
domain list...

At the same time there was a (commercial) tool to do the same in NN4, I 
believe it was called Webfont Master by Bitstream. This software has 
vanished from Bitstream's website long ago. The produced format (can't 
remember what it was called) was purportedly compatible with IE(4) too.

sIFR really seems as a more sensible solution overall (if only I could 
make it work with ems...)

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Re: [css-d] dynamic div heights

2006-03-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Diona Kidd wrote:
 I have a design at http://www.modernflow.com/client_data/test/ that needs
 a little help regarding div heights and accessibility. snip

 This doesn't seem to be related to the 100% height divs as mentioned in
 some tutorials on the web. I did try that approach without any luck. I
 also tried a 'faux column' approach. I've been staring at this for a while
 and could really use a fresh perspective.
   

Faux columns is perfect for this design. What didn't work? Can you show 
us what you tried?

There are a couple other equal height column techniques:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/onetruelayout/equalheight
http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/index.htm
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/exploring-limits-css-layout

Lots of info and links at:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=AnyColumnLongest

 Also, regarding text enlargement...how can I approach this design so when
 the text grows, the design doesn't completely blow up in the user's face?
 ;)
   

This is a generalization, but it's true 98% of the time: never set 
heights. Don't do it. Let content determine height. This not only 
protects your design from larger text sizes, but also from when your 
client comes back and wants to add a page more of text to your little 
fixed box.

Also, don't lay real text over images unless that text can overflow off 
the image without looking bad or the image can grow. In your case, you 
could make the header image three times larger than it is now but only 
show a piece of it at the initial font size. Then as the text grows, the 
header could grow too, revealing more of the background image. Make sure 
to assign a matching background color so that when the background image 
eventually runs out, the white text could still sit on top of the color 
and be readable.

Zoe

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[css-d] Background image not appearing in Windows 98

2006-03-23 Thread Ian Young
Just fired up and old computer with Windows 98 on it and background image
doesn't appear on site below

www.salesexecs-online.co.uk

Works fine on Xp across Opera, FF and IE6

Any idea why?

Cheers

Ian
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Re: [css-d] Site check request please

2006-03-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Webmaster wrote:
 http://www.deselectdesign.com/test/

Suggestion:
- Try setting 'minimum font size = 32px' in Opera. A bit extreme, but
that option is supposed to make text very readable. It doesn't.

- Try resizing fonts in IE6. Since that won't work; try 'ignore font
size' in IE6. Doesn't work to well either, I'm afraid.

Conclusion:
- Try *not to* set font-sizes/line-heights in pixels.
More... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_03_02.html

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[css-d] Site check please...

2006-03-23 Thread Keith Kaiser
OK! It's done. I've checked it in Safari (developed on OSX), on
FireFox and in Linux, but not on Win IE, so please be kind if you find
a problem. This is a 100% CSS site with just enough .PHP to switch
pages, a complete rewrite from a very table oriented web page.
This is a completely volunteer project and I've spent hundreds of
hours over the years keeping this site up to date and rel event, so
help me out by taking a look and giving me some feedback.

http://kaiserklan.com/roundtable

Thanks in advance...

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Re: [css-d] polygon in CSS

2006-03-23 Thread Rella Abernathy
Thanks for the links and ideas.

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. I'll paste in an example of my code  
and restate my question. The technique is documented at this link:  
http://www.frankmanno.com/ideas/css-imagemap/

To create the image map, a definition list is used. As you hover over  
the image, a little transparent window shows the active region for  
the hover area and then a description pops up at the same time. The  
active area for the hover is defined in the first two lines below,  
where the position and height and width produce the active area for  
the hover.

My question is, can you define a polygon shape in the CSS  
definition?  Can the active area for a hover be any other shape than  
a rectangle in CSS?

dd#slidersDef{top:0px; left:4px;}
dd#slidersDef a{position:absolute; width:112px; height:64px; text- 
decoration:none; border:none; background:transparent;}
dd#slidersDef a span{display: none;}
dd#slidersDef a:hover{background:transparent url(graphics/ 
graypix.png) repeat; border:1px solid #d2d2d2;}
dd#slidersDef a:hover span{
display:block;
text-indent:0;
vertical-align:top;
color:#3a92de;
background-image:url(graphics/blackpix.png);
 background-repeat:repeat;
font-weight:normal;
position:absolute;
border:none;
top:100%;
left:-8%
margin:0px;
padding:5px;
width:287%;
}


Here's the matching html that goes with this CSS:

dt id=sliders1./dt
dd id=slidersDefa href=#spanDescription goes here./ 
span/a/dd




On Mar 22, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Christian Heilmann wrote:

 Hello Everyone,

 I'm new and I hope you don't mind me jumping right in and asking a
 question.

 I've adapted this slick image map method.

 http://www.frankmanno.com/ideas/css-imagemap/

 ... Is there any way to define the
 area for a polygon in CSS?

 Tantek Celik has done some work on polygons.
 http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/polygons.html

 Slants are a different thing than image maps though...

 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sprites has some examples in the
 irregular shapes section.


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[css-d] h2 with border/floating div right

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Wright
I have a site where I am using a border on a H2, which is used as the
heading in the main content area of the page.  On some pages, I am
wanting to put a box of nav links on the right side of the main
content area, with the content wrapping around it.  Problem is that
the border on the H2 extends under the floated div.  What is the best
way to avoid that?  It doesn't extend under the floated div in IE,
only in FF/NS.

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[css-d] Vertical Centering

2006-03-23 Thread Tom Livingston
Listers,

I recall someone posting a very easy method of vertical centering a
block in a viewport a while back. Seemed straight forward -
positioning with percentages and a little negative margin nudging.
Googled but came up empty.

Can anyone point me to this? How cross-browser is it?

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[css-d] css..http://open-sites.net

2006-03-23 Thread durmus cosar
how can be applied on css in this site? thank you for all
  http://www.open-sites.net
   


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Re: [css-d] Site check please...

2006-03-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mike Davies wrote:
 www.integra-server.co.uk/essie/
 
 The page appears correctly in Opera 7.54 and nearly correct in 
 IE5.0/Windows. There are a couple of things with Firefox :

Comment: those browsers are a bit old now. If Firefox is just as old
then that's probably the reason for those things, as I can't see
anything wrong in Firefox 1.5.0.1.
Advice: upgrade all browsers to the latest, stable, versions. Keep some
older versions for testing - if you can - and have to.

 IE5 has a narrow gap above the nav bar which I think might be a 
 margin error somewhere.

No. IE/win has 'inline' as default-style on images - creating a gap
below the header-image.
#headimage {display: block;}

 I would also like to add a colour bar at top and bottom of #pagewidth
  but have tried both margin-top/margin-top-color and 
 border-top/border-top-color but neither work in any browser.

You have just not spelled it out correctly. Also; margins don't take
colors. A border will do.

Try this...

#pagewidth { border: solid 5px #694105; border-width: 5px 1px 0 1px ;}

...which is a 'shorthand' version followed by specific border-width.

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Re: [css-d] Vertical Centering

2006-03-23 Thread ~davidLaakso
Tom Livingston wrote:
 I recall someone posting a very easy method of vertical centering a
 block in a viewport a while back. ...]
 Tom Livingston

   
Three replies to the same question a couple of days ago:

1/ #body {margin: 2px 0px 0px 0px;text-align: center;background-image: 
url(images/background.png);  }
 #container {margin: 0 auto;width: 763px;background-image: 
url(images/back.png);background-repeat: no-repeat;background-color: 
#ff;display: table;}
Set the container width and min-height in %. and add html, body { 
height: 100%; }  IE doesn't know 'display: table;' or min-height, so it 
is already being left out of the vertical centering party.  Most of the 
time, vertical centering turns out to be useless because web pages tend 
to get longer over time.  As soon as you have to scroll the vertical 
centering effect is gone (and if you do it wrong, content disappears 
out the top of the viewport).  In short I wouldn't worry about it too 
much.
Roger Roelofs

2/ Possible, but difficult-- and not user friendly. To stay centered 
vertically at 800 the height needs to be around 380px or less. Centering 
vertically, at any screen resolution, is dependent on user top and 
bottom window chrome. The height of the window varies wildly on my 
browsers. Compensating for probable font zoom is really tough(zoom the 
fonts on your current layout). Mostly one is better off taking advantage 
of the vertical fluidity of the Web, and the vertical canvas, by /not/ 
restricting height. That being said, this is one method for centering 
vertically and horizontally: http://dlaakso.com/center-stuff.html.
~davidLaakso

3/ Note that if the window is shortened enough the top of the centered 
box gets cut off and cannot be scrolled to. I agree with David and Roger 
-- don't bother with vertical centering.
Zoe


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Re: [css-d] css..http://open-sites.net

2006-03-23 Thread Alex Robinson
At 06:46 -0800 23/3/06, durmus cosar wrote:
how can be applied on css in this site? thank you for all
   http://www.open-sites.net

Durmus,

If you want to get a satisfactory answer you're going to have to ask 
a more specific question than that.

CSS can be applied to any HTML, so the short and unhelpful answer to 
your question as it stands would be Using the CSS editor of your 
choice.

If you meant that you don't know where to start finding out about 
CSS, then check here:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsefulResources

and by the way the css-d wiki is a great resource in itself:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/

If you meant that you want to get rid of tables for your layout, look 
here for ideas:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssLayouts


Best wishes

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[css-d] IE6 problem - content div jogging down

2006-03-23 Thread Theresa Mesa
I am not seeing this problem in the other browsers on either platform. In
IE6, the content column is jogging down below the navigation. I haven't
checked 5.5. How do I fix this?

http://mdh-test.com/egs_new
http://mdh-test.com/egs.css

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[css-d] some progress, more questions...IE(mac) scroll missing, IE(win) jumping

2006-03-23 Thread Michael
First my thanks to Georg and davidLaakso for helping me along with my  
first try.

This is how far I have gotten after another six days:

http://www.sandsmuseum.com/test/tutor10.html  (the image is there to  
show hidden behavior)

http://www.sandsmuseum.com/test/newstyle/ 
site4.csstext appearance
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/test/newstyle/columns9.css 
layout
http://www.sandsmuseum.com/test/newstyle/ 
rightnav.css  right nav appearance

both html and CSS validate except for the zoom...

1.  IE (mac)  I lost the horizontal scroll bar before.  Now I am  
missing the vertical!  I thought I found the solution in a search but  
I could not figure out where to put the Holly 1% height because of  
the relative inside an absolute.

2.  FireFox (win)  Resizing (dragging) the window vertically causes  
the right column to jump in, perhaps to the minimum size?  Resizing  
it horizontally is ok and suddenly fixes the problem.  Careful  
movement can freeze it wrong.

3.  IE (win)  The right column overflows the footer and the window  
flickers on resizing.

I suspect many of my problems are caused by my attempt to make the  
grey on the right column extend down to the footer.

Any suggestions on how I might find these problems on my own, such as  
a testing strategy or away to think of the code, would be  
appreciated.  I add and then check for any breaks.  Perhaps I should  
keep my CSS inline with the page until I get it to work and then move  
it external?

Comments on code and even color always appreciated...

Thank you for looking,

Michael


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[css-d] Front-page search box: Room for CSS improvement?

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Hulse
Hi folks,

Below is HTML/CSS for a home page search box... I want the label, 
input, and search button graphic to align all on one line.

Example via Safari: http://www.ambiguism.com/CSSD/form.gif

How could I improve-upon this code (basically I want it to be as 
cross-browser/platform compatible as possible, so far it works perfect 
in Safari - I did not include my code for fieldset/legend, but feel 
free to post bullet-proof code for that too):


form { margin: 0; padding: 0; }
form * { vertical-align: middle; }
label {
font-size: .7em;
font-weight: bold;
letter-spacing: .1em;
text-align: right;
color: #fff;
width: 5em;
float: left; /* -- Worried about this and IE/PC */
}
input.searchBox {
border-width: 1px;
border-style: solid;
border-color: #555 #ccc;
padding: 1px;
width: 125px;
height: 14px;
}
input.imgGo {
width: 16px;
height: 16px;
}
input:focus {
background: #efefef;
color: #000;
}

fieldset
legendSearch our site:/legend
label for=searchSearch:nbsp;/labelinput 
class=searchBox 
type=text value= name=search id=search maxlength=100 /
input class=imgGo type=image name=btnSearch 
id=btnSearch 
src=/images/template/go.gif onclick=document.form1.submit(); /
/fieldset


Links, tuts, examps, suggestions?

Many many many TIA,
Cheers,
Micky

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[css-d] IE fieldset width

2006-03-23 Thread Carsten Peters
Hello Everyone,

on http://www.frankfurter-tennisclub.de/cms/front_content.php?idcat=4
i tried to build a form without using tables for layout. In Firefox it 
works fine but in IE6 the fieldset seems to be too wide.

If anyone can help with a solution it would be much appreciated.

Best Regards
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[css-d] Scrolling Table Problems...

2006-03-23 Thread Adrian Williams
Y’all,

   I am a newbie to both the list and advanced CSS...I am familiar with the
basics of CSS but am trying to incorporate what (to me anyway) is a very
complex CSS feature and am having a slight problem or two with it.

   Basically, I am trying to use the scrolling table style that Terence
Ordona (sp?) put together (which is just awesome!) and have hit a couple of
snags.  Originally, I was trying to use the fixed column (Big 4?) version
and after pulling out a lot of hair, switched to the Big 3 version...which
is working for the most part.  Here is the page (look at the bottom):

http://localhost/WilliamsGenWeb/results_page.php

   When looking at it in IE, it is a work of art...everything lines up and
functions beautifully.  However, Firefox gets weird in a couple of ways.
First, when loading the page in FF, the table sprawls to the right and half
of it is off the screen. The only thing I have been able to do to deal with
it is change the page style from basic to none then back to basic
again...which fixes the problem. So, first question:  what the heck causes
this and how do I fix it?

   The second problem is with the last column on my header in FF. It is
labeled 438.  I cannot figure out how to get the padding setup correctly so
that it is the same 17px width as the rest.  

   Finally, the last column of the scrollable area is, for lack of a better
word, fat.  Every one of the DYS columns should be 17px wide...is there
something I am doing wrong here??

   My overall CSS sheet is at
http://localhost/WilliamsGenWeb/includes/williamsv2.css 

   I really appreciate any help anyone can give me...I have been working on
this for over a two weeks, trying to fix it on my own without any luck.

Kind regards,
Adrian
 
Adrian Williams
Williams DNA Project Administrator
Williams Source Documentation Repository
http://williams.genealogy.fm/
 



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Re: [css-d] Vertical Centering

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Clayton
 I recall someone posting a very easy method of vertical centering a
 block in a viewport a while back. Seemed straight forward -
 positioning with percentages and a little negative margin nudging.
 Googled but came up empty.

 Can anyone point me to this? How cross-browser is it?

Here's another for the record:
http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/thebox/deadcentre4.html

I tried it in a bunch of browsers a few weeks ago.  It worked in more
than I expected.  As far as I remember, it worked in IE 5+, Opera 8+,
and Firefox.  No NN4 though.  Not sure about Mac browsers.

Kudos.

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[css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Clayton
For my next trick, I'll need a div with rounded corners on top of a
textured background.  Any volunteers from the audience?

My launch pad was this ALA article:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/

I was skeptical about this being possible at all, but here is my
stubborn progress: http://www.twilighted.com/tx/giftest.html

The div must be elastic horizontally and vertically.  The problem is
that the when the corner images overlap, the transparent corners are
blocked out, leaving a rectangular corner.  Try shrinking the text and
watching what happens to the bottom left corner.

Here is a shortcut to the ALA article's explanation of how the images
are sliced: http://www.alistapart.com/d/customcorners/step1.1.html

This would be very easy to arrange with tables, but that would be
embarassing.  I've been trying to place one horizontal and one
veritcal box with white backgrounds behind the main div, but have been
so far unsuccessful.  Here's a quick mockup:
http://www.twilighted.com/tx/theory_example.jpg

I just want a nice clean box with rounded, transparent corners.  All
that I have found so far has been pain!

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Re: [css-d] Vertical Centering

2006-03-23 Thread ~davidLaakso
Tom Livingston wrote:
 http://dlaakso.com/center-stuff.html
 

 I love you.

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You'll be sorry. Vertical center positioning is /not/ a good idea. 
Re-read the thread regarding same.
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Davis
See this site for a css + js solution to rounded corners with transparent
capability.

http://pro.html.it/niftycube/

Jim

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 For my next trick, I'll need a div with rounded corners on top of a
 textured background.  Any volunteers from the audience?
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Re: [css-d] some progress, more questions...IE(mac) scroll missing, IE(win) jumping

2006-03-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Michael wrote:

 http://www.sandsmuseum.com/test/tutor10.html

 1.  IE (mac)  I lost the horizontal scroll bar before.  Now I am 
 missing the vertical!  I thought I found the solution in a search but
  I could not figure out where to put the Holly 1% height because of 
 the relative inside an absolute.

a: do not apply the 'Holly hack' to IE/Mac. It doesn't need it and it
doesn't interpret it well.

b: IE/Mac is pretty lost with that kind of stretched column layout.

For now it seems like...

/*\*//*/
body {overflow: auto;}
.column {margin-bottom: 0; padding-bottom: 0;}
/**/

...is the best option - even with those scroll-bars. Put the entire
IE/Mac hack last of all styles, and keep on looking for suitable
re-styling and corrections for IE/Mac only.

 2.  FireFox (win)  Resizing (dragging) the window vertically causes 
 the right column to jump in, perhaps to the minimum size?  Resizing 
 it horizontally is ok and suddenly fixes the problem.  Careful 
 movement can freeze it wrong.

Probably the usual, old, FF-bug that is messing up that layout method.
Seems ok in Firefox 1.5.0.1

 3.  IE (win)  The right column overflows the footer and the window 
 flickers on resizing.

Same footer-problem in Opera 9tp2.
Can't see anything but the flickering caused by the usual slowness in
IE/win.

#footer {position: relative; background: #fff;}

...looks like an alright fix for IE and Opera.

 I suspect many of my problems are caused by my attempt to make the 
 grey on the right column extend down to the footer.

Most of them, I think :-)
OTOH: the stretched column layout will probably work well in most new
browsers. It's the slightly older browsers/versions that may cause
problems - for obvious reasons, so if you need to support those then a
more ordinary 'faux-column' layout will be easier to work with.
'Faux-columns' will always stretch as far as needed - and no further.

 Any suggestions on how I might find these problems on my own, such as
  a testing strategy or away to think of the code, would be 
 appreciated.  I add and then check for any breaks.

No problem... as long as you keep track of what causes each break -
browser-bugs or weaknesses, or bad code. Not always easy to sort out.

 Perhaps I should keep my CSS inline with the page until I get it to 
 work and then move it external?

Well, maybe you are splitting it up a bit too much at the moment, but
external CSS is ok at this, and any, stage.

regards
Georg
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Re: [css-d] Vertical Centering

2006-03-23 Thread Tom Livingston
On 3/23/06 1:24 PM, ~davidLaakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You'll be sorry.

I'm not sorry (well, maybe about the 'Love you' comment...), but the
bit about the content being off screen on short windows was correct.
Of course, in my case the window had to be _very_ short, but none the
less, it wasn't ideal. My content has a fixed width and height, so the
other issues didn't apply.

We used a table.

CSS 3, where are you...

Thanks anyway all.


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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Clayton
Chris: Thanks, I will investigate that book next time I'm near a book store.

Jim: The javascript option is interesting, but I tend to shy away from
anything that requires javascript to navigate or display correctly.

 Just use these methods and skip the images entirely:
 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm

 Your page is badly broken in ff even in it's current form.  There are
 gaps all over the place in your background and no lower right corner
 rounding.

Thanks Don, I think that is exactly what I was looking for.  I had
seen that site before, but couldn't locate it again.  You saved the
day.

I know the page is broken, though, that's what my post was about.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread tedd
For my next trick, I'll need a div with rounded corners on top of a
textured background.  Any volunteers from the audience?

My launch pad was this ALA article:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/

I was skeptical about this being possible at all, but here is my
stubborn progress: http://www.twilighted.com/tx/giftest.html

The div must be elastic horizontally and vertically.  The problem is
that the when the corner images overlap, the transparent corners are
blocked out, leaving a rectangular corner.  Try shrinking the text and
watching what happens to the bottom left corner.

Here is a shortcut to the ALA article's explanation of how the images
are sliced: http://www.alistapart.com/d/customcorners/step1.1.html

This would be very easy to arrange with tables, but that would be
embarassing.  I've been trying to place one horizontal and one
veritcal box with white backgrounds behind the main div, but have been
so far unsuccessful.  Here's a quick mockup:
http://www.twilighted.com/tx/theory_example.jpg

I just want a nice clean box with rounded, transparent corners.  All
that I have found so far has been pain!

--
Michael Clayton

Michael:

Transparent corners are fine, but it's the background that's the problem.

I know you'll say Hey it's transparent!, but I'm talking about the 
pixels that are the closest to the transparency, which to do it 
right, should be anti-aliased to *some* background.

If you want simple rounded corners, try this:

http://www.sperling.com/examples/box/

tedd

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Re: [css-d] Site check please...

2006-03-23 Thread Webmaster
OK! It's done. I've checked it in Safari (developed on OSX), on
FireFox and in Linux, but not on Win IE, so please be kind if you find
a problem. This is a 100% CSS site with just enough .PHP to switch
pages, a complete rewrite from a very table oriented web page.
This is a completely volunteer project and I've spent hundreds of
hours over the years keeping this site up to date and rel event, so
help me out by taking a look and giving me some feedback.

 http://kaiserklan.com/roundtable

Thanks in advance...

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Hello Keith,
Well, before I can really help answer how it works (or my opinions of said 
link) I would really need to know what it really is you are trying to achieve 
with the site?
For instance, before you can verify that all the CSS is valid, you must first 
correct the XHTML coding. First page alone returned Failed validation, 13 
errors.
That being said, the CSS seems to work properly in my FireFox on Wintel PC, but 
in IE your CSS drop downs cause problems (border lines from the Be A Star 
content box are cutting through it, etc.)
Also, just wanted to let you know that it all seems to scale properly when 
adjusting the text size in both browsers.
If you were looking for any opinions on the layout, accessability, etc. I have 
other suggestions, but that is something that was not pointed out in the 
request and as such will only comment on the IE performance.

Cheers,
D

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[css-d] linking lists into multiple pages

2006-03-23 Thread Laura Smith
I have created a horizontal list for tabbed browsing on my site, but
currently have the code for the list appearing on every page; when I
want to make a change to one of the tabs, I have to input this change on
every page/subpage of my site.  

 

Does anyone know of a way to link a list like this to multiple pages.
That way I can make a change on the master list and have it applied to
every page on which it is linked?

 

Thanks,
Laura

 

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Re: [css-d] css..http://open-sites.net

2006-03-23 Thread Brian Funk
on 3/23/2006 7:46 AM durmus cosar said the following:
 how can be applied on css in this site? thank you for all
   http://www.open-sites.net


you might want to read the excellent article
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

It's not a short read, but very pertinent. ;-)

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[css-d] newbie: navigation to a division

2006-03-23 Thread anna
I'm just learning CSS and open source, I have been for only a few weeks and do 
not yet have a site.

I am wondering if anyone out there might help me, or know where I might look to 
link
images, forms, and text; to a div on my index page.

I think I'm looking to do something I've seen people use frames for, but I'd 
really like to do the whole thing in CSS.

 I currently have two navigation bars 'alpha' and 'beta'; 'alpha' is inline on 
the top and 'beta' is on the right.  'beta' is a scroll navigation of 
images(thumbs) and 'alpha' lists my 'contact' form, 'bio', 'links'.

I would like to have all of links from both of the navigations link to a div 
which is central and large in the page, between the two navigation bars 'alpha' 
and 'beta'.

Thanks for all of your help.




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Re: [css-d] IE6 problem - content div jogging down

2006-03-23 Thread Theresa Mesa
How about if you reduce the resolution? My 15 screen is set to 800x600.


On 3/23/06 11:41 AM, Brian Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 3/23/2006 8:21 AM Theresa Mesa said the following:
 
 IE6, the content column is jogging down below the navigation.
 
 http://mdh-test.com/egs_new
 http://mdh-test.com/egs.css
 
 I didn't see that here. see screenshot
 
 http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/enviroguardscreenshot.jpg
 
 win2k IE6


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Re: [css-d] IE6 problem - content div jogging down

2006-03-23 Thread Theresa Mesa
...And my client is seeing the same thing I am with the content jogging
down. I tried changing the resolution to see if it would help. Nope.

WinXP IE6.

Theresa


On 3/23/06 11:41 AM, Brian Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I didn't see that here. see screenshot
 
 http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/enviroguardscreenshot.jpg
 
 win2k IE6


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[css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: linking lists into multiple pages

2006-03-23 Thread Alex Robinson
Does anyone know of a way to link a list like this to multiple pages.
That way I can make a change on the master list and have it applied to
every page on which it is linked?

Yes, use server-side includes or a scripting language such as php or 
perl, or whatever in-built tools come with your editor if you're 
using something like Dreamweaver.

However, this question has nothing to do with CSS, and I'd ask list 
members to address any answers/comments they might have to Laura 
directly off list.

Laura, you would have better luck sending your question to a list 
like theList or Webdesign-L. See 
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic for details.


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Re: [css-d] newbie: navigation to a division

2006-03-23 Thread Alex Robinson
I would like to have all of links from both of the navigations link 
to a div which is central and large in the page, between the two 
navigation bars 'alpha' and 'beta'.


The following page here from the css-d wiki will get you started on 
the road to recreating the look of frames with CSS.

   http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=EmulatingFrames


However, you should take note of the fact that recreating the look of 
frames is not the same as recreating the functionality of frames.

You should understand that you can't link to a div. That's not how 
HTML or CSS works. You can link to an iframe but that's a different 
type of beast entirely and brings with it accessibilty and validation 
issues.

And if you're just starting out I would seriously recommend that you 
get a thorough understanding of CSS and HTML first before embarking 
on what amounts to a much more ambitious project.
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Re: [css-d] IE6 problem - content div jogging down

2006-03-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Theresa Mesa wrote:
 I am not seeing this problem in the other browsers on either 
 platform. In IE6, the content column is jogging down below the 
 navigation. I haven't checked 5.5. How do I fix this?
 
 http://mdh-test.com/egs_new

Think I caught it.

It looks like the 'italic bug', but I can only make it appear if I
'ignore font-family...' in IE6' accessibility options and get my own
default.

A fix might be to make div#content a few pixels narrower in IE, as the
'italic bug' usually adds some 3px to the width of its container - and
only when the italic text seems to touch the container-edge.

Another fix is to add...

* html #content {overflow-x: hidden;}

regards
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Re: [css-d] IE6 problem - content div jogging down

2006-03-23 Thread Brian Funk
on 3/23/2006 12:45 PM Theresa Mesa said the following:
 How about if you reduce the resolution? My 15 screen is set to 800x600.
 

 IE6, the content column is jogging down below the navigation.
 http://mdh-test.com/egs_new
 http://mdh-test.com/egs.css
 I didn't see that here. see screenshot

 http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/enviroguardscreenshot.jpg

 win2k IE6
 

Yes, I tried that and it held it's place just fine. See here:

http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/small.jpg

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Re: [css-d] h2 with border/floating div right

2006-03-23 Thread Brian Funk
on 3/23/2006 7:29 AM Jim Wright said the following:
 I have a site...

Can you post a link so we can see?



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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread francky
Michael Clayton wrote:

Just use these methods and skip the images entirely:
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm


Thanks Don, I think that is exactly what I was looking for.  I had
seen that site before, but couldn't locate it again.  You saved the
day.
[...]
  

Hi Michael,
I was too late to suggest the same location. ;-)
In case you have a div as last part of the rounded corner box (with 
the ArticleFooter-class), I think you'll need a slightly different end 
of the box to get not too much vertical white space between the bottom 
of the div and the bottom of the corner box. You could add a last line 
paragraph with 1px height to avoid the gap, and then give the 
ArticleFooter-div some negative margin-bottom.
See testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/twilighted-liquidcorners.htm.

Dragons = -1, I hope.

Greetings,
francky

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Re: [css-d] Scrolling Table Problems...

2006-03-23 Thread Adrian Williams
OK, incredible brain fart on my end...I gave the localhost addy vs. the web
addy on the sitehere is the addy for my troublesome page with the
scrolling CSS table...

http://williams.genealogy.fm/results_page.php

And for the style sheet

http://williams.genealogy.fm/includes/williamsv2.css


As always,
Adrian
 
Adrian Williams
Williams DNA Project Administrator
Williams Source Documentation Repository
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [css-d] Scrolling Table Problems...

I cant see your pages - it says local host are they on a server?


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Adrian Williams wrote:

Y'all,

   I am a newbie to both the list and advanced CSS...I am familiar with the
basics of CSS but am trying to incorporate what (to me anyway) is a very
complex CSS feature and am having a slight problem or two with it.

   Basically, I am trying to use the scrolling table style that Terence
Ordona (sp?) put together (which is just awesome!) and have hit a couple of
snags.  Originally, I was trying to use the fixed column (Big 4?) version
and after pulling out a lot of hair, switched to the Big 3 version...which
is working for the most part.  Here is the page (look at the bottom):

http://localhost/WilliamsGenWeb/results_page.php

   When looking at it in IE, it is a work of art...everything lines up and
functions beautifully.  However, Firefox gets weird in a couple of ways.
First, when loading the page in FF, the table sprawls to the right and half
of it is off the screen. The only thing I have been able to do to deal with
it is change the page style from basic to none then back to basic
again...which fixes the problem. So, first question:  what the heck causes
this and how do I fix it?

   The second problem is with the last column on my header in FF. It is
labeled 438.  I cannot figure out how to get the padding setup correctly so
that it is the same 17px width as the rest.  

   Finally, the last column of the scrollable area is, for lack of a better
word, fat.  Every one of the DYS columns should be 17px wide...is there
something I am doing wrong here??

   My overall CSS sheet is at
http://localhost/WilliamsGenWeb/includes/williamsv2.css 

   I really appreciate any help anyone can give me...I have been working on
this for over a two weeks, trying to fix it on my own without any luck.

Kind regards,
Adrian
 
Adrian Williams
Williams DNA Project Administrator
Williams Source Documentation Repository
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Re: [css-d] Navigation woes

2006-03-23 Thread Ingo Chao
Richard Brown wrote:
 http://www.theoldcoachworks.org.uk/
 http://www.theoldcoachworks.org.uk/wp-content/themes/WordpressRooms/ 
 style.css
 
 I have some recollection that this is a WinIE bug. i.e that it doesn't  
 display text under a box but alongside it whatever the quoted width. 


Some problems with IE in this menu.

- Remove all rules related with .header, .box, .box-width,
and replace them with:

   .header {
float: left; /* contains the floating boxes */
width: 100%; /* prevents shrink-wrapping */
background-color: #fff;
}

   .box, .box-wide  {
margin: 9px 9px 0 9px;
padding: 5px;
font-size: 85%;
font-weight: 600;
}

   .box {
float: right;
width: 100px;
text-align: center; 
background-color: #FBFBF1;
}

   .box-wide {
float: left;
width: 185px;
text-align: left;
}

   /* clickable link area */
   .box a, .box-wide a {
display: block;
}

   /* line-break after img, or keep the br */
   .box a img, .box-wide a img {
display: block;
}


- Insert a Conditional Comment at the end of the head section

   !--[if IE]
   style

   /* IE6 fixes */
   .box, .box-wide {
display: inline; /* doubled float margin bug */
overflow: hidden; /* stops expanding of the box */  
}

   /* IE6-7 */
   .box a, .box-wide a {
position: relative; /* allows for leaving the overflown box */
}   
   /style
   ![endif]--

   /head

- Remove the br after the images (optional).

Hope that helps.

Is click to enlarge meant to sit next to the image?



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Re: [css-d] Site check please...

2006-03-23 Thread Brian Funk
Keith Kaiser wrote:
 OK! It's done.
 help me out by taking a look and giving me some feedback.
 
 http://kaiserklan.com/roundtable
 

on WinXP IE6:

Your menu is being obscured by the starWrap content below.

http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/rt01.jpg
http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/rt02.jpg

Something is causing the menu to disappear when I try to move my curser 
to the links that are over the div id=starWrap It looks like there is 
a gap produced in the menu where it intersects this div cutting it off 
from further exploring. I don't know the fix. sorry.

Brian

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[css-d] Taking lowercase rule and running with it

2006-03-23 Thread christianz
I know that XHTML tags and attributes are supposed to be written in lowercase 
(i.e., head) when they are actually being used as tags within an XHTML 
document (meaning between the 'less than' and 'greater than' symbols [or 
whatever those symbols more technical names are]) but it seems that the 
majority of XHTML coders have taken that rule and run with it by putting every 
mention of XHTML tags in lowercase, such as in style sheet declarations or in 
off-handed mentions in every day conversational writing. I know the following 
is wrong within an XHTML document:
 
IMG SRC=picture.gif WIDTH=20 HEIGHT=20 ALT=Picture /
 
HR /
 
but it seems to me the following is perfectly acceptable in a style sheet 
declaration:
 
IMG { border: none; }
 
HR { padding-top: 15px; }
 
It also helps me when reading a style sheet when mentions of X/HTML tags are in 
uppercase while id and class names are lowercase, like so:
 
H2 #alternate { color: #0066FF; }
 
I, of course, know it's also fine to put:
 
h2 #alternate { color: #0066FF; }
 
but I have seen that type of formatting so often now that it looks like people 
think they are holding tight to the 'no uppercase in XHTML' rule as though they 
are fending off the XHTML police, when really it's not even relevant to style 
sheets or in conversational writing, such as in, We need to have that header 
wrapped in an H3 tag rather than in an H2 tag. Or is there really some 
official prohibition against uppercase in CSS declarations that I just don't 
know about?
 
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Re: [css-d] Scrolling Table Problems...

2006-03-23 Thread Terence Ordona
 OK, incredible brain fart on my end...I gave the localhost addy vs. the
 web
 addy on the sitehere is the addy for my troublesome page with the
 scrolling CSS table...

 http://williams.genealogy.fm/results_page.php

 And for the style sheet

 http://williams.genealogy.fm/includes/williamsv2.css


Adrian,

You'll need to account for spacing for the scollbars in other browsers
apart from WinIE.

Since you've used code straight from example, you have part of it there.
However, since your table is very complex (looks good though, nice job), a
slight modification and a new rule would help.

tbody.scrollContent td:last-child { padding-right: 19px; }

thead.fixedHeader th:last-child { padding-right: 19px; }

Typical scrollbars are about 16px in width and height. The extra 3px is
from padding. Also, add 16px to the tbody height and that should hide the
horizontal scrollbar in Firefox. You can tinker with that value to your
preference.

htmlbody tbody.scrollContent { height: 426px; }


HTH
- Terence
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Re: [css-d] Site check please...

2006-03-23 Thread francky
Brian Funk wrote:

Keith Kaiser wrote:
  

OK! It's done.
help me out by taking a look and giving me some feedback.

http://kaiserklan.com/roundtable


on WinXP IE6:

Your menu is being obscured by the starWrap content below.

http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/rt01.jpg
http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/temp/rt02.jpg

Something is causing the menu to disappear when I try to move my curser 
to the links that are over the div id=starWrap It looks like there is 
a gap produced in the menu where it intersects this div cutting it off 
from further exploring. I don't know the fix. sorry.

Brian

Hi Keith,
First feedback: compliments for all the work you put in!

1.
In IE6 under Win98SE it's the same as Brian noticed...
I don't know the fix either, but as I remember well, this problem has 
passed this list between now and 1 or 1.5 week ago. - It has to do with 
the background of the submenu's in relation to other backgrounds or 
something like that. I think it was Georg (Gunlaug Sørtun) who had 
explicated the reason why, and also had a solution / hack / workaround 
for IE.
Perhaps you can do a search in the list, or maybe Georg can help to 
point to the right place. ;-)

2.
The html-validator reports some errors. I'm not sure, but maybe changing 
to an other DOCtype can solve the  lt; problem earlier in this thread.

3.
The css-validator cannot work because of the html-error, so checking the 
css is somewhat difficult.

4.
It will depend of the monitor, but in the BLOG (sidebar) section I 
allmost cannot see a difference in color between the red link (head) and 
the red subtitle. The head/link is even some more blurring and has the 
same intensity (on greyscale) as the blue background; with my 
monitor/eyes I can hardly see it. - Also it is not immediately clear 
that the link is a link (no underline), you have to hover over the link 
to see the pointer change in the hand. - A more contrasting color for 
the link + underline can solve this. See screenshot 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/north-star-blog.gif.

5.
In general, be carefull with colored words on colored backgrounds. There 
has to be enough contrast and also enough difference in color. For 
example, some colorblind people don't see anything of the blog-items as 
they are now, reports the Colorblindfilter 
http://colorfilter.wickline.org/?a=1;r=;l=9;j=1;u=kaiserklan.com/roundtable;t=p.

6.
Checking the many-many links with the WebDesignGroup link-checker 
http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/valet/linktest.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkaiserklan.com%2Froundtable%2Fdate=type=Full
 
shows there are only a few not working. Congratulations again! :-)

Greetings,
francky
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Re: [css-d] Scrolling Table Problems...Terence, you Rock!!

2006-03-23 Thread Adrian Williams
Terence,

   Man, you rockyour additions were exactly what was neededthat even
fixed the styling problem I was having with FF...AWESOME!!!

   Now, the page looks great in both IE and FF...awaiting some input to how
Safari handles it, but I have checked Opera and there is no scroll bar...not
really sure I'm overly concerned about it...but if you know of a quick
solution...I'd be glad to implement it.

   Now, as if that wasn't challenging enough (for me!) I have to figure out
how to add another major chunk to this table.  Essentially, I need to add an
additional 22 columns (more DYS numbers) to the table...but I don't want to
expand the visible size of the table width.  I know, initial gut says,
ok...bring out horizontal scroll bar, which is fine, but there is a twist.  

   Here is the catch...the only portions of the table that I want to scroll
to the right are the DYS columns, including the header columns...but
everything left of the solid black line (Haplo Group and those to the left)
I would like to keep in place...basically so the user can still see whose
numbers they are looking at.  

   Is this even possible??

   And again...thanks so dog-gone-much for the help and putting the work
into figuring out such an excellent scrolling table solution. 

As always,
Adrian
 
Adrian Williams
Williams DNA Project Administrator
Williams Source Documentation Repository
http://williams.genealogy.fm/
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terence Ordona
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:06 PM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Scrolling Table Problems...

 OK, incredible brain fart on my end...I gave the localhost addy vs. the
 web
 addy on the sitehere is the addy for my troublesome page with the
 scrolling CSS table...

 http://williams.genealogy.fm/results_page.php

 And for the style sheet

 http://williams.genealogy.fm/includes/williamsv2.css


Adrian,

You'll need to account for spacing for the scollbars in other browsers
apart from WinIE.

Since you've used code straight from example, you have part of it there.
However, since your table is very complex (looks good though, nice job), a
slight modification and a new rule would help.

tbody.scrollContent td:last-child { padding-right: 19px; }

thead.fixedHeader th:last-child { padding-right: 19px; }

Typical scrollbars are about 16px in width and height. The extra 3px is
from padding. Also, add 16px to the tbody height and that should hide the
horizontal scrollbar in Firefox. You can tinker with that value to your
preference.

htmlbody tbody.scrollContent { height: 426px; }


HTH
- Terence
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Re: [css-d] Taking lowercase rule and running with it

2006-03-23 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
 I know that XHTML tags and attributes are supposed to be written in lowercase
...
 but it seems to me the following is perfectly acceptable in a style sheet 
 declaration:
 IMG { border: none; }
...
 Or is there really some official prohibition against uppercase in CSS
 declarations that I just don't know about?
...

In case of XHTML (serverd as application/xhtml+xml) names of elements
and attributes are case sensative in CSS rules too. That means if you
specify your rules with uppercase
element names they won't apply.

I'd reccomend to read:

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200501/the_perils_of_using_xhtml_properly/
http://lachy.id.au/log/2005/12/xhtml-beginners

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Re: [css-d] Font-weight problems

2006-03-23 Thread Felix Miata
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 My client has a logo kFA in which she has the body of the k as
 tall as the FA part. This is in some font which naturally achieves
 this. She wants the same effect throughout her website.

 So first I tried simply putting a BIG tag around the k, which worked
 fine for the sizing but it was heavier and in larger text sizes it
 displayed as bold. 

 So I created a class and put a SPAN around the k, which has 
 font-size: 1.3em and font-weight: 100 (although I have also tried
 font-weight: lighter). 

 It doesn't seem any different! 

 Please have a look and tell me if you see the same thing, especially
 in larger browser text sizes, and if you can help me make it right!

 http://www.wdam.co.uk/clients/kfa/index.shtml

 Any and all clues gladly accepted!

Did you ever resolve this? If not, maybe playing with this might be helpful:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-face-commonweight.html
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