[CTRL] White House contractor alleges threats (fwd)

2000-03-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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White House contractor alleges threats

8.16 p.m. ET (126 GMT) March 10, 2000

By Pete Yost, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — In court papers unsealed Friday, a former White
House contractor says she was threatened not to reveal a problem
with the White House e-mail system that concealed thousands of
messages from the Justice Department and congressional
investigators.

The contractor, Betty Lambuth, says a subordinate told her some
of the e-mails deal with "Vice President Al Gore's involvement in
campaign fund-raising controversies'' and "the sale of Clinton
Commerce Department trade mission seats in exchange for campaign
contributions.'' The subordinate said the e-mail also contained
information on the White House's improper gathering of FBI
background files of long-ago Republican appointees and the Monica
Lewinsky scandal, Lambuth stated in her declaration.

The document was unsealed by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth.

Lambuth says she learned of a problem with the White House e-mail
system in May 1998 in the midst of Independent Counsel Kenneth
Starr's perjury and obstruction probe of the president in the
Lewinsky scandal.

Asked to comment Friday, the office of Starr's successor,
Independent Counsel Robert Ray, said, "We are aware of the
allegations regarding the e-mail issue, and we are taking
appropriate steps with regard to those allegations.

"Beyond that we can't comment,'' said Neille Mallon Russell, a
spokeswoman for Ray's office.

Because of the e-mail problem, which began in August 1996 in the
midst of the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign, "a significant
number of e-mails were ... not being searched in response to
subpoenas and document requests,'' Lambuth said.

"I learned that one of the computer e-mail servers, which housed
incoming e-mail to much of the Clinton White House staff,
approximately 500 individuals, was not being ... managed'' by the
automated records system. The system allows text to be searched
in response "to subpoenas and other inquiries,'' said Lambuth,
who said the problem stemmed from "an apparent programming
error.''

After Lambuth informed the White House, Office of Administration
counsel Mark Lindsay told her "that if I or any of my team who
knew about the e-mail problem told anyone else about it we would
lose our jobs, be arrested and put in jail,'' she said.

She said Lindsay specified that she was not to tell even her
private-sector boss, Steve Hawkins, who she said eventually
removed her from her White House assignment when she refused to
tell him about the e-mail problem.

Lambuth said she and her co-workers dubbed the e-mail problem
"Project X,'' and because of the threats, she and her staff took
to meeting in a park close to the New Executive Office Building
and in a nearby Starbucks when discussing the matter.

Lambuth, who left the White House in July 1998, said she still
works for CEXEC, a subcontractor for Northrop-Grumman that helps
run and maintain the White House computer system.

"Lindsay and others on the Clinton White House staff who knew why
I wasn't telling Hawkins about the e-mail problem never
intervened with Hawkins to protect my job,'' Lambuth said in the
declaration.

The White House, which has said it will complete an initial
review of the e-mail matter next week, did not respond to
repeated calls for comment regarding Lambuth's declaration.

Lambuth's declaration was released in a lawsuit on the FBI files
controversy filed by a conservative group, Judicial Watch.

The e-mail problem was publicly revealed last month by a former
White House employee, Sheryl Hall, who alleged in a declaration
that "when the contractors told the White House about the
problem, they were threatened, warned not to discuss it. They
were told the documents were classified.''

At a hearing Friday morning, the judge also unsealed a new
declaration by Hall in which she said the White House plans to
get rid of computer-taped archives and the contents of computer
hard drives of presidential aides who leave.

A career staff member in the White House Office of Administration
"told me that ... the Clinton-Gore White House plans to destroy
... archival cartridge tapes'' and to "reformat the hard drives''
of departing White House staffers.

Hall said there are archives cartridges for at least 500
departing staffers.

Lamberth ordered Justice Department lawyer James Gilligan,
representing the White House in the case, to ensure that no hard
drives are reformatted and no cartridges destroyed.

In addition, "I want names of those responsible for preserving''
the material, said Lamberth. Gilligan provided the names of the
White House custodians at a late-afternoon hearing in the case
attended by both Lambuth and Hall.

© Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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[CTRL] IM Alert: White House Accused of New Cover-Up (fwd)

2000-03-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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From:

http://www.insightmag.com/cgi-bin/ViewNews.cfm?Item=42

INSIGHT MAG
3/10/00

INSIGHT ALERT! White House Accused of New Cover-Up

White House Accused of New Cover-Up

By Paul M. Rodriguez

Washington was rocked March 10 with a stunning claim by a former
White House computer manager who says she was told of a secret
White House project to destroy confidential computer records that
were hidden from federal or congressional investigators.
Moreover, in a secret affidavit unsealed March 10, a second
high-level contract employee with the Northrop Grumman
Corporation alleges that she and other employees were threatened
with loss of their jobs and being sent to jail if they ever
revealed the truth about the discovery of nearly 100,000 White
House e-mails never before made public and kept hidden from
federal authorities.

The explosive affidavit by Betty Lambuth, filed under seal in
late February before District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, not
only confirms details of a story that was first reported by
Insight magazine in December 1998 and January 1999, but goes on
to detail threats by White House lawyers to punish any employee
who revealed the existence of the secret e-mails even to White
House staff in charge of computer-system operations.

Lambuth’s testimony comes on the heels of that from former senior
White House computer manager Sheryl Hall who provided the court
with a sworn affidavit in which she, too, said that senior White
House staff and lawyers knew of the existence of the secret
e-mails and threatened to punish any worker who told outsiders
about them — including federal agents and congressional
investigators who had for years sought such records under
subpoenas.

It is Hall’s latest affidavit delivered to Judge Lamberth on
March 10, however, that contains the rocket sure to send sparks
through Congress and the White House concerning a secret
operation to destroy confidential computer records.

Rep. Dan Burton, Indiana Republican and chairman of the powerful
House Government Reform Committee, has threatened the White House
with new subpoenas unless it immediately turns over the secret
e-mails and computer data.

Although the senior staff of the House Government Reform
Committee knew of the so-called lost e-mails and the White
House’s attempts to conceal the discovery of the priceless data
from many investigators, the materials were neither sought nor
subpoenaed by the committee. That is, until early March 2000 when
the Washington Times picked up the original Insight stories from
two years ago (see "news alert!" March 13) and, separately, Dan
Burton confirmed that at least five government contract employees
had been threatened with loss of jobs and/or jail time if ever
they revealed the information.

Meanwhile, the White House has backpedaled on its claims that all
of the "lost" e-mails already were turned over and/or anything
federal and congressional investigators ever asked for was
supplied. This is in marked contrast to what President Bill
Clinton and White House spokesman Joe Lockhart told reporters in
late February after a story appeared in The Washington Times
based on the first public interview of Hall.

Not only did Hall confirm everything previously reported by
Insight, but for the first time she also publicly suggested that
other White House and contractor employees also had been
pressured to keep silent about the existence of the missing
e-mails. At the time of Hall’s first public comments to the
press, that prompted new congressional interest in the
revelations, White House spokesman Lockhart said it was old news
Insight had broken the story two years earlier and everything
investigators sought had been turned over.

Fast-forward to the week of March 6 when the White House was
forced to admit under withering scrutiny of Dan Burton and new
press stories that, in fact, thousands of e-mails once "lost"
never were turned over to congressional or federal probers and
that current and former employees of the White House, as well as
a contractor, were indeed threatened with loss of jobs and jail
if they ever revealed the existence of the secret messages.

Besides the Burton committee, the FBI Campaign Task Force and the
Office of Independent Counsel Ray (who succeeded Ken Starr) now
are on the trail of the e-mails and long-distance telephone
records. Although agents from the Campaign Task Force actually
had meetings with White House lawyers shortly after the original
Insight stories broke, they reportedly failed to follow up. "I
promise you, we’ll get these records now," a high-level federal
law-enforcement official said, March 10.

But as Sheryl Hall has sworn in yet another affidavit submitted
to Judge Lamberth, there could be problems in securing the
now-found e-mails – and separately the long-distance telephone
records. Hall asserts that she’s had conversations in recent days
with former colleagues at the White House 

[CTRL] White House Completing E-mail Review (fwd)

2000-03-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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[They've had two years to make sure they've deleted everything, I
mean Geeesh! --MS]


 3/10/00

White House Completing E-mail Review
By PETE YOST, Associated Press
Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House said Thursday it is completing
an initial review of its failure to examine thousands of e-mails
that have never been turned over to Congress in the campaign
fund-raising scandal.

President Clinton told reporters the problem ''will all be
handled in an appropriate way'' by White House lawyers. As
Clinton spoke, the House Government Reform Committee chaired by
Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., was sending a subpoena to the White
House demanding records that might explain how e-mails were
collected in 1998. That is the year congressional investigators
now believe presidential aides discovered that many messages sent
to the White House -- 100,000 or more -- had been overlooked in
document reviews for congressional probes.

Because of a glitch involving computer codes, many messages sent
to the White House from 1996 to 1998 weren't retrieved from the
system. The existence of the messages didn't become public until
a former White House employee testified about it last month in a
lawsuit brought by a conservative group, Judicial Watch.

Burton's subpoena seeks records from 1998 dealing with ''the
failure to collect e-mail messages.''

Computer specialists who worked on the White House system told
Burton's staff that among the e-mails are some from former White
House intern Monica Lewinsky after she had been transferred to
the Pentagon.

It is unclear whether copies of those e-mails were turned over to
Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr in 1998 in his perjury and
obstruction investigation of the president. ''There were a
significant number of e-mails from Monica Lewinsky,'' said Mark
Corallo, a spokesman for Burton's committee.

''While we're not interested in those, we would be interested in
any e-mails pertaining to our several investigations; for
instance, any e-mails from the Democratic National Committee to
White House personnel,'' said Corallo.

White House Counsel Beth Nolan wrote Burton that ''we are
completing out initial review'' and she promised a ''written
description of the measures the White House has taken to address
this matter'' next week. A meeting between Burton and Nolan would
follow.

''I have referred all the questions'' on the e-mails ''to the
counsel's office ... I think they will handle it just fine,''
Clinton told reporters.


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[CTRL] Who is UN Secretary- General Kofi Annan?

2000-03-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Who is UN Secretary- General Kofi Annan?
http://www.kenraggio.com/

Might this man destroy your liberties? You need to know who this veritable
"President of the World" is, and what he is up to!

By Ken Raggio

 While the President of the United States is experiencing a credibility
crisis, (his morals and honesty are under skepticism internationally), and
Boris Yeltsin plays Russian Roulette with his cabinet and his presidency,
the Secretary General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan (pronounced Koh-fee
Ann-inn) is rapidly becoming the most highly credible world figure.

Since his selection on December 16, 1996 as the first black African to that
post, and with the boisterous support of both President Clinton and
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Annan is quickly becoming the
brightest star on the world stage. "He is a renowned international statesman
and has made his mark in history," Albright recommended.

AsiaWeek reported in March what people are saying about Annan. He is
"Quiet," "Soft spoken," "Effective consensus-builder," "Brings personal
touches to the job," "Good with the news media," "Dignified, gracious
wisdom," "Epitome of politeness," "A diplomat's diplomat," and "Bureaucrat
par excellence." Thomas O’Dwyer of the Jerusalem Post said recently, "The
world has become aware that the United Nations may now be headed by the
consummate diplomat it has long been in need of."

That the United Nations has such a formidable force in its general secretary
could come at no more opportune time. A U.S. official described him as
having "the right credentials and mix of skills that should bring the United
Nations into the 21st century." Annan’s popularity translates into a power
surge for New World Order, while individual nations appear to be weakening.

Kofi Atta Annan, born April 8, 1938, is a native of Ghana. He is descended
from prominent ruling chieftains of the Fante people, and son of an elected
Provincial governor. Annan attended a Ghanaian university, then took a
degree in economics at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minnesota. He pursued
graduate studies in Geneva, Switzerland, then an MS in management at
Massachusetts Institute of Technology. An economist by training, he speaks
English, French and several African languages.

At the UN since 1971, Annan is a lifelong bureaucratic insider. He held
numerous influential administrative posts. Since 1993, he was Under
Secretary General for Peacekeeping Operations. He had a number of delicate
and complex jobs. He went to Iraq to negotiate the release of hostages
during the Gulf War, and the safe transport of half-million Asian workers
who had become stranded in that area. Representing the UN Secretary General,
he negotiated among the four contentious powers who intervened in Bosnia –
the United States, Britain, France and Russia.

His achievements include many major advances in New World Order. He worked
to bring the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund under tighter
controls of the United Nations. "I am going to attach a great deal of
importance to the economic area," he says. "I don’t think our roles should
be seen as competitive but as complementary." Annan intends to further
empower the UN with international money controls.

He appointed Maurice Strong (Canadian billionaire industrialist,
humanitarian, environmentalist) as his Senior Adviser on United Nations
reform issues. Mr. Strong is to coordinate the effort to redesign the world
organization for the future. Strong is an intensely devout New Age occultist
associated with the Rockefeller and Rothschild families, the Trilateral
Commission, population control, wealth redistribution, and a host of other
hard-core socialistic projects. Annan’s selection of Strong is a harbinger
of woes to come for Christians and Patriots. Keep your eyes open for this
man!  We will be writing articles on him in the future.

Kofi Annan has profoundly impacted the Middle East crises. In a recent
whirlwind tour of Middle Eastern nations, he was said to have spoken with
"velvet-coated steel barbs." He described himself as a "happy fool – who
jumps into it (the Mideast quagmire), oblivious to the risks and the
dangers, but who feels it has to be done." After reciting a list of
grievances the international community had against Israel, Annan left Israel
’s Council for Foreign Relations lecture room to a standing ovation. Many in
the audience declared themselves impressed by this person and leader who
replaced Boutros Boutros Ghali. He scored similar victories in Jordan,
Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Palestinian territories the same week. This
portends increased dominance of World Government over Israel and the peace
process.

Annan has tackled the U.S. Congress for not paying its share of UN bills.
Staunch anti-UN forces on Capitol Hill, who managed to withhold funds from
the UN for years, recently capitulated to the silver-tongued statesman. In
the 

[CTRL] From a friend: Standoff Ends Tragically For EccentricSquintillionare

2000-03-11 Thread lloyd

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..

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Subject: From a friend: Standoff Ends Tragically For EccentricSquintillionare
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 11:29 PM

In case you have not heard of this most recent armed attack by the
Government, I am posting a copy of an e-mail which I received this morning.

Standoff Ends Tragically For Eccentric Squintillionare

Steve Raiguel; BSNN contributor

DUCKBURG- In a coordinated predawn raid this morning, heavily armed agents
from the Treasury Department, FBI, and ATF stormed the supposedly
impenetrable bunker known as the "Money Bin", from which "Uncle" Scrooge
McDuck, accused ringleader of a tax resistance network, has held Federal
Marshals at bay for more than two weeks.  After a brief exchange of shots
following the breaching of the bunker's walls, the octogenarian went down
in a hail of gunfire.

The siege began early this month after McDuck lost a final court appeal
seeking to enjoin the of seizure his huge fortune.  McDuck fell afoul of
the Internal Revenue Service last year in failing to report his "Old
Number One" dime to the IRS, listing it instead as a "talisman".  On
discovering this omission, the IRS moved swiftly to seize McDuck's fortune
under federal forfeiture statutes, leading to the lengthy court battle
during which McDuck vowed, prophetically, that "they would steal his money
over his dead body"

In a second, simultaneous raid at a house on Mallard Way owned by McDuck's
35-year-old nephew, Donald Duck, agents, acting on an anonymous tip,
recovered further evidence of a far-reaching conspiracy.  Donald Duck, an
individual described by neighbors as 'temperamental' and 'combative', was
taken under arrest along with three male juveniles discovered living at
the residence.  They are now being questioned by authorities regarding the
activities inside the Duck compound.

Duck reportedly appeared frequently in public sporting a quasi-military
sailor's outfit, and has long been suspected of right-wing militia
activity.  Survivalist gear, including uniforms, insignia, and literature
of the clandestine "Junior Woodchucks" organization were found inside the
compound.  Agents were initially unable to locate the cache of weapons
stipulated by the search warrant until the arrival of a van containing
several large crates labeled "special search equipment"  which were
unloaded into the compound under close guard.  Shortly thereafter, a huge
stockpile of automatic rifles, grenades, bazookas, and tactical nuclear
weapons came to light and were put on display for reporters.

Back at the "Money Bin", ATF personnel displayed an unregistered assault
blunderbuss recovered from the burned-out ruins of the bunker.  An agent
explained that while technically legal, it was the weapon of choice for
street gangs and psychopathic serial killers.  "These things may look
harmless enough", he explained, "but by changing just three components -
the barrel, the action, and the stock - you can convert one into a fully
automatic 105-mm howitzer.  I hate to think of how many kids we saved by
getting this baby off the streets."

Gladstone Gander, head of the FBI's domestic strike force and coordinator
of the assault on the McDuck stronghold denied that profit had been a
motive in moving to seize the enormous assets contained in the bunker.

"Certainly not, I can say uncatagorically that the monies involved, huge
though they may be, had absolutely nothing to do with our decision to act.
McDuck has been under our scrutiny for some time now, and if need be, we
can produce witnesses linking his name to international money laundering
interests, drug smuggling, child pornography, Satanism, and the
disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa.  We had information - I'm not at liberty to
divulge the sources, of course - that he and his nephew were also the
leaders of a Duck Supremacist cult that was abusing ducklings.
That's why we had to move - to protect those kids!  Anybody saying
otherwise is simply trying to undermine this investigation and I can
assure you, that those individuals can expect to have their 1040 forms
scrutinized very carefully next year."

Defending the agencies' use of strategic bombers in the raid, Attorney
General Zero Gannet, acting as spokesbird for the Justice Department,
explained "The old duck had the place completely rigged with booby traps.
We had to think of our men.  We almost lost two of our best agents when
they stepped on a trip wire, dumping a bucket of paint right on top of them.
They're up there in the hospital right now, fighting for their lives, and
the doctors still don't know if they'll ever be any color but taupe for
the rest of their lives.  We had to go in, and go in strong.  The old
codger had vowed we'd 

[CTRL] New 'Banners for Bush'

2000-03-11 Thread Steve Wingate

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Conservative with Compassion.

Reformer with Results.
 ...

Reptilian Rat.

Imbicle with Impetus.

New World Order Knucklehead.

I'd better leave it at that. ;-)

Regards,
Steve



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SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

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Re: [CTRL] [NA] Youll be arrested!

2000-03-11 Thread C Davis

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Now why doesnt this info surprise me???

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[CTRL] DEMANDS TO IMF AND WORLD BANK

2000-03-11 Thread U.P. Secr

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*DEMANDS TO IMF AND WORLD BANK*

This is a call for endorsements of demands that 50 Years Is
Enough Network is making to the World Bank and IMF in relation
to their semi-annual meetings in April.  We encourage broad
circulation and sign-ons by ORGANIZATIONS supporting the
mobilization and/or who support global socio-economic justice.

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50 Years Is Enough: U.S. Network for Global Economic Justice

OUR DEMANDS OF THE IMF AND WORLD BANK
March/April 2000

On the occasion of the first meetings of the governing bodies of the
International Monetary Fund and the World Bank in the 21st century, we
call
for the immediate suspension of the policies and practices that have
caused
widespread poverty, inequality, and suffering among the world's peoples
and
damage to the world's environment. We assert the responsibility of these

anti-democratic institutions, together with the World Trade
Organization,
for an unjust world economic system.  We note that these institutions
are
controlled by wealthy governments, and that their policies have
benefited
international private sector financiers, transnational corporations, and

corrupt officials.

We issue this call in the name of global justice, in solidarity with the

peoples of the Global South and the former "Soviet bloc" countries who
struggle for survival and dignity in the face of unjust, imperialistic
economic policies.  We stand in solidarity too with the millions in the
wealthy countries of the Global North who have borne the burden of
"globalization" policies and been subjected to policies that mirror
those
imposed on the South.

Only when the coercive powers of the international financial
institutions
are rescinded shall governments be accountable first and foremost to the

will of their peoples.  Only when a system that allocates power chiefly
to
the wealthiest nations for the purpose of dictating the policies of the
poorer ones is reversed shall nations and their peoples be able to forge

bonds - economic and otherwise - based on mutual respect and the common
needs of the planet and its inhabitants. Only when integrity is restored
to
economic development, and both the corrupter and the corrupted held
accountable, shall the people begin to have confidence in the decisions
that
affect their communities.  Only when the well-being of all, including
the
most vulnerable people and ecosystems, is given priority over corporate
profits shall we achieve genuine sustainable development and create a
world
of justice, equality, and peace where fundamental human rights,
including
social and economic rights, can be respected.

With these ends in mind, we make the following demands of those meeting
in
Washington April 16-19, 2000 for the semi-annual meetings of the World
Bank
and the International Monetary Fund:

1.  That the IMF and World Bank cancel all debts owed them.  Any funds
required for this purpose should come from positive net capital and
assets
held by those institutions.

2.  That the IMF and World Bank immediately cease imposing the economic
austerity measures known as structural adjustment and/or other
macroeconomic
"reform," which have exacerbated poverty and inequality, as conditions
of
loans, credits, or debt relief.  This requires both the suspension of
those
conditions in existing programs and an abandonment of any version of the

Heavily Indebted Poor Countries (HIPC) Initiative which is founded on
the
concept of  debt relief for policy reform.

3.  That the IMF and World Bank accept responsibility for the disastrous

impact of structural adjustment policies by paying reparations to the
peoples and communities who have borne that impact.  These funds should
come
from the institutions' positive net capital and assets, and should be
distributed through democratically-determined mechanisms.

4.  That the World Bank Group pay reparations to peoples relocated and
otherwise harmed by its large projects (such as dams) and compensate
governments for repayments made on projects which World Bank evaluations

rank as economic failures.  A further evaluation should determine which
World Bank projects have failed on social, cultural, and environmental
grounds, and appropriate compensation paid.  The funds for these
payments
should come from the institutions' positive net capital and assets, and
should be distributed through democratically-determined mechanisms.

5.  That the World Bank Group immediately cease providing advice and
resources through its division* devoted to private-sector investments to

advance the goals associated with corporate globalization, such as
privatization and liberalization, and that private-sector investments
currently held be liquidated to provide funds for the reparations
demanded
above.

6.  That the agencies and individuals within the World Bank 

[CTRL] WEB COVERUPS

2000-03-11 Thread br wahl

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[CTRL] US Golfer Crushed

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Subject: US Golfer Crushed Under Tree in his Cart


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..A real estate and construction business man, Ray A. Putnam, 57, was
crushed to death in his golf cart as he passed beneath a large honey locust
tree which fell at exactly that moment. Friday, "just after 2 p.m.," 25
February 2000 on the 14th hole at the Sim Park Municipal Golf Course, 2020
West Murdock, Wichita, Kansas.
..The clue is in the horoscope. The event appears to be related to
earlier UFO activity. The Midheaven at 28Pisces32 (chart calculated for 2:04
PM, CST +6) is conjunct Mars 28Pisces15 in the famous Pampa Lluscoma UFO
abduction horoscope (Corporal Armando Valdez picked up in a ray of blue
light in northernmost Chile, April 1977).
..But that's not all: when Ray Putnam was crushed under the locust tree
transiting geocentric "in the sky" Mercury/Mars planetary midpoint was at
28Pisces05 just as the Midheaven (Sidereal Time) passed that point (moving
counter-clockwise in the horoscope).
..This is a classic "signature" and isn't very likely to be merely
fortuitous. It's apparently intended to drive secret government torture
gangs out of their minds.
..Ray Putnam was born 9 November 1942 in Devils Lake, North Dakota. At
one time his father worked for Boeing Aircraft.
..Event = 02.25.2000, 2:04 PM, zone +6, 97W20, 37N43. Asc. 15Cancer52
(using geocentric latitude).
..See: AP online archives and The Wichita Eagle, online.

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Re: [CTRL] EO on Alternative Medicine

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Why does this make me VERY uneasy?

(And yes, that *is* a rhetorical question!)

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 THE WHITE HOUSE
  Office of the Press Secretary
 

 For Immediate Release  March 8, 2000

 EXECUTIVE ORDER
  - - - - - - -
  WHITE HOUSE COMMISSION ON COMPLEMENTARY AND
   ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE POLICY

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Re: [CTRL] SciFi Novel Based on Velikovskian Theories

2000-03-11 Thread Robert F. Tatman

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¡Idiota! Of bloody course I meant "Thoth," not "Kronos"...

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 FWIW, I just read a very interesting and highly entertaining novel by
James
 P. Hogan, *Cradle of Saturn*, based closely on the theories of Velikovsky.
 (Anyone on this list who has been reading the issues of Kronos forwarded
by
 Das GOAT could almost have written the book...) The central thesis of the
 book is that a protostar  or megacomet called "Athena" is ejected by
Jupiter
 (remember your mythology), crosses the Solar System, and then swipes the
 Earth, causing pole shifts, crustal disruptions, and the general collapse
of
 civilization. Fortunately, a band of farsighted scientists have
established
 a colony called (what else?) "Kronos" orbiting Saturn... Read the book.
It's
 a good one, and beats the pants off of any of Hollywood's
 disaster-from-space flicks.
 
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[CTRL] OEN 3/11/00

2000-03-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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US Stocks


US Economy Getting Ready to Pop?


Don't worry. Politicians will save us.

WASHINGTON - A blue-chip company like Procter  Gamble loses $36 billion in
market value in minutes, and most stocks are down markedly from their highs.
Oil prices are surging. And the U.S. Federal Reserve is raising interest
rates.

At the same time, the Nasdaq composite index, which includes the brightest
American stars of the ''new economy,'' roars past the 5,000 mark for the
first time. And the longest economic expansion in U.S. history still shows
remarkable strength, with workers increasingly productive, businesses
desperately seeking employees and consumers spending with abandon.

These seemingly contradictory signs are on the minds of economists, Wall
Street analysts - and strategists for the U.S. presidential candidates. Many
agree that a perception of bad news can reverberate through the national
psyche. Higher gasoline prices, for instance, may conjure up images of the
inflation-ravaged 1970s.

The key question is if and when these uncertainties rise to a level that they
shake consumer confidence enough to stop the the spending that is propelling
economic growth. Consumer confidence reached a record high in January,
according to the Conference Board's index, before falling slightly in
February.

''There are certainly visible indicators of some of the stresses the economy
is facing,'' said Edward Yardeni, chief economist at Deutsche Bank in New
York. ''What we don't measure as frequently is the underlying strength of the
economy.''

The price of oil, which has risen above $30 a barrel, climbing 25 percent in
two months, is already seeping through the economy, making petroleum
byproducts such as plastics more costly. So far, the higher cost of products
has not been translated into higher prices for goods.

Imbalances in the stock market have begun to concern Wall Street
professionals. A narrow group of stocks increasingly is responsible for the
rise of indexes such as the Nasdaq composite - a classic sign that a market
has reached its peak.

Many Wall Street traders would argue that many stocks are already in a bear
market, defined as falling at least 20 percent from a high, but Americans
don't seem to know it.
The broadest market index - the Wilshire 5000, which measures the value of
all publicly traded stocks - is essentially flat after reaching a new high at
the end of 1999. But with this and many other market barometers, the high
value of technology shares has obscured how most stocks have fallen sharply
since 1998.

Vice President Al Gore says he is not worried about the stock market.
''Markets go up and markets go down,'' he said after his primary election
triumph this week. ''You've got to focus on the fundamentals,'' which he said
included strong growth and low unemployment.

While Mr. Gore doesn't miss a chance to tout the performance of the economy
during the Clinton administration, his Republican rival, Governor George W.
Bush of Texas, prefers to credit Reagan-era economic policies for the current
boom. Mr. Bush thus far can only hint at rocky times ahead. A significant tax
cut, Mr. Bush has said, is needed as an ''insurance against economic
recession.''

The economy already has shrugged off a number of serious shocks, such as the
Asian economic crisis. And while a stock plunge might hurt Mr. Gore's case,
the October 1987 crash did not do much for Michael Dukakis in the election a
year later, when he faced the then-vice president, the elder George Bush.

The biggest fear among Federal Reserve policymakers is not that the economy
will flag but that inflation, which thus far has remained dormant, will
suddenly reappear.

The Fed, concerned about possible hidden inflationary pressures, is
attempting to slow the economy with a series of interest rate increases.

Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman, has signaled his concern both about overall
high stock values and the potential for inflationary pressures. The nation's
demand for goods and services is increasing faster than the economy can meet
that demand, he says, while the tight job market might put pressure on wages.

The Fed chairman also has warned about hubris. On Wednesday, he told bankers
they need to more carefully scrutinize whether borrowers could survive a
downturn. In another speech Monday, Mr. Greenspan noted that workers are more
fearful now of losing their jobs than they were during the 1991 recession.

''You clearly have some contradictory sentiments out there,'' said Gene
Sperling, Mr. Clinton's national economic adviser. ''You have a combination
of historically high consumer confidence and historically low inflation and
unemployment, combined with a certain anxiety that the pace of all this
technological change could cause you some dislocation.''

[CTRL] [6] GREENSPAN REPORTEDLY AIDS AND BRIBES GEORGE BUSH and FAMILY

2000-03-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.skolnicksreport.com/greenspan6.html"Sherman
Skolnick's Report/A
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GREENSPAN REPORTEDLY AIDS AND BRIBES
GEORGE BUSH and FAMILY, Part Six

by Sherman H. Skolnick

 Neil Bush And The American CIA

 Background: Over a period of four decades, our research and
investigation group has repeatedly publicized, in the public interest,
whenever we are permitted, some of the following:

  [1] That State and Federal Judges, in important cases, are often corrupted
through financial institutions, such as banks. Throughout the history of the
U.S., key judges owned and operated banks jointly with their lawyer cronies.
Most often, the judges do not disqualify themselves. It is seldom, if ever,
discussed in the monopoly press, tied to the banks, thus shaping a blindspot
in what Americans know and understand about the so-called Justice System.
Some call it the injustice system, based on personal tragedy.

[2] That the purported tax collectors and extractors, the Internal Revenue
Service, are corruptly slantled against the common American, and in favor of
the ultra rich. Thus the richest families in America, such as the
Rockefellers, the Mellons, the Morgans, and the Marshall Fields, apparently
pay little, if any, taxes. Is it any wonder, the hospitals, libraries,
schools, and highways are bankrupt? Those who have the most do not support
the realm, the infrastructure of the United States. [Political candidates
appearing on my public access Cable TV Show uniformly refuse to answer
questions about this.]

[3] With the willful blindness of corrupt top IRS officals, the ultra wealthy
have formed foundations to hide their ill-gotten treasure and evade taxes.
Third party presidential candidate George Wallace, in 1972m said, if he is
elected, he would put a stop to the Rockefeller Foundation hiding that
family's wealth. At the time Wallace, according to the polls, was expected to
have 19% of the vote. There was a danger that his candidacy would make it so
that the two major presidential candidates, Nixon and Mcgovern, could not,
either one, get enough electoral votes to be President. Thus, the election,
in a rare event, would be thrown into the Congress to decide who would be
President.

Shortly after George Wallace made the statement, he was nearly shot to death
and spent the rest of his painful life in a wheelchair. We were about the
only ones that had a documentary film-maker on our public access Cable TV
Show, that Wallace was claiming Nixon was behind the assassination plot.

[4] That some of the ultra rich families have formed and operate foundation
that are part of a three-tier system, using technical terms, that conceal the
source of the funds: conduits, pass-throughs, and fronts. That such
foundations are acting for and on behalf of the American CIA to buy-out and
co-opt journalism societies, labor unions, dissident indigenous movements,
and such, and other so-called independent groups. And to finance
government-paid agents provocateurs. Disgruntled that the powers-that-be
assassinated his brother, John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy caused a
horrendous scandal in the spring of 1967. To understand the profound nature
of the CIA foundations ruckus, in a good reference library, consult "New York
Times INDEX" for 1967, under topic "Central Intelligence Agency", for a
summary of stories. Thereafter, in college seminars and a course I taught at
a broadcast school, I followed up on this, tracing the before and after of
suspected groups. We became experts on CIA foundations. For triggering this
mess, Bobby in 1968 paid the ultimate price, being assassinated by a
so-called "lone assassin.

[5] That the CIA took over and used for domestic and foreign dirty tricks,
several dozen savings  loan associations. In his heavily-documented book,
"The Mafia, The CIA, and George Bush", longtime journalist Pete Brewton tells
about more than two dozen S  Ls taken over or used by the CIA. The book came
out in 1992, and Brewton points out that after the funds were mysteriously
"loaned out" to persons often not credit-worthy, the federally-insured
thrifts would go under, leaving huge losses for the tax-payers. Jam-packed
with details, the book, some claim, is not easy to read. Yes, it is not a
novel.   We followed up and identified four such CIA S  Ls in Illinois, not
mentioned in his book. In one such, in a Chicago suburb, Clyde S  L,
Congressman Henry Hyde (R., Ill.) had been a director. A federal agency sued
him and the other directors for causing it to go under. For example, with
Hyde's connivance, 67 million dollars of Clyde's funds disappeared in
Arkansas. There was a danger that CIA-type details would get into the public
court record. So, a CIA-attorney from Washington was brought in and persuaded
the Judge to impound portions of the court 

[CTRL] fwd: Bilderberg 2000

2000-03-11 Thread lloyd

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..

From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
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1. Bilderberg 2000 to be in Swizerland 1st to 4th June?
from: http://www.bilderberg.org/2000.htm

2. What are these Bilderberg Conferences all about?
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28Feb00 - Bilderberg 2000 to be in Swizerland 1st to 4th June?

According to the Vienna Newspaper "KURIER" , Friday, 25th February 2000 due
to the participation of the FPÖ (Jörg Haider) Party in the government, the
"Bilderberg" meeting will not be in Austria on 1st to 4th June but in
Switzerland. The date will probably be the same since it will be difficult
for such a lot of important people to change their timetable.
The newspaper continues and explains that Bill Clinton will participate as
well as the NATO Secretary General George Robertson. Minister for Northern
Ireland and Blair clone Peter Mandelson, EU-Commissioner Pedro Solbes. The
CEO of Monsanto, Xerox and Goldman-Sachs and Fiat-Boss Agnelli. The editors
of Washington Post and Economist will attend but not (as usual) mention the
fact in their respective publications.
Etienne Davignon, the new Bilderberg Chairman will preside.
In the beginning of 1985 Davignon joined Société Générale de Belgique,
Belgium's leading holding company of which he became Chairman on the 11th
April 1989. Mr. Davignon is a member of the Board of the Générale de
Banque, Suez Lyonnaise des Eaux, BASF, ICL, Solvay, Kissinger Associates
and several S.G.B. group companies.  He became Chairman of the Association
for the Monetary Union of Europe on May 30, 1991. As member of the European
Round Table of Industrialists (ERT), he chairs the working group on Trade
and Investment. He is a Chairman of the Paul-Henri Spaak Foundation and the
Royal Institute for International Relations. Pictures of James Wolfensohn
(Worldbank), Carld Bildt (UN - Special envoy to former Yugoslavia ???),
Jean-Claude Trichet (Vicepresident of European Central Bank) and Norbert
Zimmermann (Berndorf Company - Austria). It later declares that last year
in Portugal there was ex-Chancellor Franz Vranitzky and Director General of
Bank Austria: Gerhard Randa. It further states that the "Bilderbergers"
meet once a year in a hotel. The talks are not made public, which has given
the Bilderbergers the reputation of being a secret society. In reality real
powerful people speak three days on the future of the world in all
frankness but why not for the press? The meeting can be compared to the
meeting in Davos only much more secretive and with the highest players in
global capitalism involved. The greater discretion allows the participating
politicians and economic captains to even speak more frankly with each
others on subjects which, if heard by the general public could be explosive!
The newspaper is lamenting that due to the new Austrian government also
other meetings especially the meeting of the European Investmentbank (the
EU house-bank) most probably will not be in Vienna.

ps.
For information on the corrupt and dangerous global money powers get The
Money Masters video (PAL or NTSC): www.themoneymasters.com

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What are these Bilderberg Conferences all about?

TG 08Feb00 - The Bilderberg Secretariat proclaims the conferences to be
'...private in order to encourage frank and open discussion'. Frank and
open discussion is a good thing in any forum but when those doing the
discussing are some of the very most powerful financiers and media tycoons
in the world it begs the question: If what they discuss is for the good of
mankind why not publicise it!  Isn't it a perverted use of the word 'open'
when no-one can hear what they're saying?

Is Bilderberg a secret conspiracy?

When 

Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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  When did this rape take place?  Was the woman hurt?  Prudy 
You didn't answer my question.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Waco Tests TOP SECRET

2000-03-11 Thread Kris Millegan





 Judge Walter Smith claimed that tests to determine if
 FLIR video taken over Waco shows gunshots directed at
 Mt. Carmel must be top secret to protect the "national
 security concerns" of the British government, which
 loaned the FBI the FLIR camera used (see the St. Louis
 Post-Dispatch, 2/14/00). However, four days later the
 Dallas Morning News (2/18/00) reported that the British
 government said they had no national security concerns
 regarding their FLIR technology. The fact that the
 reason judge Smith had cited for keeping the tests top
 secret was terminated did not thwart his determination
 to keep those tests secret. Now his excuse seems to be
 that the public has no constitutional right to know:


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/2310/aponline184319_000.htm

Public Access at Waco Test Nixed

By Michelle Mittelstadt
Associated Press Writer
Friday, March 10, 2000; 6:43 p.m. EST

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A court-ordered field test that
will re-enact aspects of the 1993 Waco siege to
determine whether federal agents fired any shots
into the Branch Davidians' retreat will be closed
to the media, a federal judge ruled Friday.

U.S. District Judge Walter Smith of Waco rejected
news organizations' argument that the test, due to
be held next weekend at Fort Hood in Texas, should
be open as a matter of public interest.

"The court has determined that the media have
identified no constitutional or common-law right
that would entitle them to access to this procedure,"
Smith wrote. "Pre-trial matters are not public
components of a civil trial."

The judge, who ordered the test and is presiding
over surviving Davidians' wrongful-death lawsuit
against the government, said the test "may be
likened to a crime scene, which unquestionably
may be closed to the public and the press in
order to preserve the integrity of the evidence."

In a motion filed earlier this month, The Associated
Press, Dallas Morning News, The New York Times and St.
Louis Post-Dispatch said a private field test "will
only increase the public's skepticism about whether
all the facts surrounding the Branch Davidian raid
have been completely and accurately disclosed." The
Waco Tribune-Herald also pressed for public access.

John Danforth, a former senator appointed special
counsel by Attorney General Janet Reno to investigate
the government's conduct during the Davidians' 1993
standoff with federal agents, argued against media
attendance. "The quickest way to discredit an
investigation is to provide the media with selective
information during its course," the special counsel
wrote in a motion.

The government and Davidians' lawyers did not oppose
public access.

A lawyer representing the news organizations expressed
disappointment with the judge's order.

"I don't believe Judge Smith or the special counsel
have identified any reason that justifies shrouding
this field test in secrecy," Dallas attorney John
Gerhart said. "This test goes to a critical issue of
whether or not the government fired weapons during
the raid. And continued secrecy on such a critical
point should not be allowed unless compelling
circumstances force that secrecy."

The Davidians' lead counsel said the public interest
would have been served by an open test.

"I just think it's unfortunate for the process because
inevitably there will be some people who will read
into this some sinister purpose, which is really not
there," said Houston lawyer Michael Caddell. "I do
think there would be a tremendous benefit created by
having press access and having someone that people
would view as not having any agenda other than to
report the facts."

The government has long denied that its agents fired
shots on April 19, 1993, during the waning hours of a
51-day siege. Davidian leader David Koresh and some
80 followers died during the inferno that occurred
several hours into an FBI tank-and-tear gas operation
designed to flush the sect members from their retreat.

Lawyers for the Davidian plaintiffs, whose case goes
to trial in mid-May, contend the FBI's aerial infrared
surveillance footage offers definitive proof of gunfire
directed into the building as it burned.

The field test, which will use a British Royal Navy
helicopter equipped with an infrared camera much like
the one used by the FBI in 1993, is designed to determine
whether bursts of light on the Waco infrared footage
represent gunfire.

Weapons similar to those carried by the Davidians and
federal agents will be fired during the test. Military
tanks like those used in 1993 also will be deployed.

=
http://www.marketwatch.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=ComIbudicv2fJB0D1BMzP
CMvuzqFQ
=


WACO PROTEST: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/waco-1.htm

Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 I never said he raped anyone. I was only pointing out he is far from
 inherently "good". Pay attention. 

Maybe because I'm a woman, I find the term "rapist" to be specific.  There
are a bunch of people who are not inherently "good."  They are not rapists.
Please be a little more specific.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Dodd and Dulles vs. Kennedy in Africa

2000-03-11 Thread Kris Millegan





http://www.webcom.com/~ctka/probeframes.html

 From the January-February 1999 issue (Vol. 6 No. 2)

Dodd and Dulles vs. Kennedy in Africa
“In assessing the central character ...
Gibbon’s description of the Byzantine general
Belisarius may suggest a comparison:
‘His imperfections flowed from the contagion of the times;
his virtues were his own.’”
— Richard Mahoney on President Kennedy

By Jim DiEugenio
As Probe has noted elsewhere (especially in last year’s discussion of Sy
Hersh’s anti-Kennedy screed, The Dark Side of Camelot), a clear strategy of
those who wish to smother any search for the truth about President Kennedy’s
assassination is to distort and deny his achievements in office. Hersh and
his ilk have toiled to distort who Kennedy really was, where he was going,
what the world would have been like if he had lived, and who and what he
represented. As with the assassination, the goal of these people is to
distort, exaggerate, and sometimes just outright fabricate in order to
obfuscate specific Kennedy tactics, strategies, and outcomes.

This blackening of the record—disguised as historical revisionism—has been
practiced on the left, but it is especially prevalent on the right.
Political spy and propagandist Lucianna Goldberg—such a prominent figure in
the current Clinton sex scandal—was tutored early on by the godfather of the
anti-Kennedy books, that triple-distilled rightwinger and CIA crony Victor
Lasky. In fact, at the time of Kennedy’s death, Lasky’s negative biography
of Kennedy was on the best-seller lists. Lately, Christopher Matthews seemed
to be the designated hitter on some of these issues (see the article on page
26). Curiously, his detractors ignore Kennedy’s efforts in a part of the
world far from America, where Kennedy’s character, who and what he stood
for, and how the world may have been different had he lived are clearly
revealed. But to understand what Kennedy was promoting in Africa, we must
first explore his activities a decade earlier.

The Self-Education of John F. Kennedy
During Kennedy’s six years in the House, 1947-1952, he concentrated on
domestic affairs, bread and butter issues that helped his middle class
Massachusetts constituents. As Henry Gonzalez noted in his blurb for Donald
Gibson’s Battling Wall Street, he met Kennedy at a housing conference in
1951 and got the impression that young Kennedy was genuinely interested in
the role that government could play in helping most Americans. But when
Kennedy, his father, and his advisers decided to run for the upper house in
1952, they knew that young Jack would have to educate himself in the field
of foreign affairs and gain a higher cosmopolitan profile. After all, he was
running against that effete, urbane, Boston Brahmin Henry Cabot Lodge. So
Kennedy decided to take two seven-week-long trips. The first was to Europe.
The second was a little unusual in that his itinerary consisted of places
like the Middle East, India, and Indochina. (While in India, he made the
acquaintance of Prime Minister Nehru who would end up being a lifelong
friend and adviser.)

Another unusual thing about the second trip was his schedule after he got to
his stops. In Saigon, he ditched his French military guides and sought out
the names of the best reporters and State Department officials so he would
not get the standard boilerplate on the French colonial predicament in
Indochina. After finding these sources, he would show up at their homes and
apartments unannounced. His hosts were often surprised that such a youthful
looking young man could be a congressman. Kennedy would then pick their
minds at length as to the true political conditions in that country.

If there is a real turning point in Kennedy’s political career it is this
trip. There is little doubt that what he saw and learned deeply affected and
altered his world view and he expressed his developing new ideas in a speech
he made upon his return on November 14, 1951. Speaking of French Indochina
he said: "This is an area of human conflict between civilizations striving
to be born and those desperately trying to retain what they have held for so
long." He later added that "the fires of nationalism so long dormant have
been kindled and are now ablazeHere colonialism is not a topic for
tea-talk discussion; it is the daily fare of millions of men." He then
criticized the U. S. State Department for its laid back and lackadaisical
approach to this problem:

One finds too many of our representatives toadying to the shorter aims of
other Western nations with no eagerness to understand the real hopes and
desires of the people to which they are accredited.

The basic idea that Kennedy brought back from this trip was that, in the
Third World, the colonial or imperial powers were bound to lose in the long
run since the force of nationalism in those nascent countries was so
powerful, so volcanic, that no extended empire could contain it
indefinitely. This did not mean that Kennedy would 

Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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  allegedly 

Now that's the word that bothers me.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE ISSUED THREATS (fwd)

2000-03-11 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Five Northrop Grumman employees were so intimidated by White
 House threats of jail that one was nearly fired when she refused
 to tell her own bosses about the administration's failure to turn
 over thousands of e-mail messages under subpoena.

 Newly obtained information shows the White House threatened to
 have the five employees jailed after they found — and reported —
 a glitch in the White House computer system that prevented the
 discovery of more than 100,000 White House messages involving
 campaign finance abuses, Monica Lewinsky, "Chinagate" and
 "Filegate." 
I
I wondered why my e-mails to the White House about the very subjects
mentioned above were never answered.  Now we know.  I never realized I was
being threatened when military commanders I worked for told me that nothing I
heard or read while performing my duties was to go outside the office.  I
could be a millionaire if I had just known what "The Enquirer" would have
paid me for my stories.  I'm always a day late or a dollar short.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Bonesmen George W. Bush ('68), Governor of Texas and . . .

2000-03-11 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 I suppose Mr Casey's message to Clinton in 1992 was posthumous, given that
he
 had been quite dead since 1987...

 Such foresight! A pity he could not have applied this prescience to identify
 the imminent demise of the Soviet Union as opposed to political developments
 in his own country.

 BD 
Oh lovely.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Melting Of Earth's Ice Cover Reaches New High]

2000-03-11 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Scientists suspect that the enhanced melting is among the first
 observable signs of human-induced global warming, caused by the
 unprecedented release of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases
 over
 the past century. Glaciers and other ice features are particularly
 sensitive to temperature shifts. 


How can I believe this when Dubya's father told us that there was no global
warming.  That must have been the truth, because you all have told me over
and over again that the Bush family never lies.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Smart kids don't have sex

2000-03-11 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 03/10/2000 3:46:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 I knew there was a correlation between Clinton's hyperactive sex-drive and
 his diminished intellectual capacity.. 

If you guys think of Clinton as having a hyperactive sex drive, you all must
not be troubled by biological urges at all.  Perhaps it's the fast food or
too may diet cokes.  I thought it was just the fertility that had been
affected by modern living.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread Jeff Sandlin

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Prudence,  Someone posted an answer to your question after you asked me,
(the first time). Maybe you can look in the archives? He was reputed to
have bitten a woman`s lip while forcing her to have sex with him. To be
honest, I never even saw the post refering to this alllegation until
after I made my comment. I apologize for my abrupt response. There is
enough rudeness in the world without my contributing to it. As an aside,
rape is not restriced to a man raping a woman. Although not often
mentioned in the main stream press,  homosexual rape also occurs. Again,
I apologize.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread Jeff Sandlin

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When refering to the president of the U.S.A. or anyone else, it would be
grossly unfair to say they were guilty if they were not convicted in
court.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

2000-03-11 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 000311a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* Portal to notices, excuses, overflow, links: http://skepticon.pitas.com
* No naive young robots were sexually exploited to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Yum. http://www.badfads.com/images/tattoos01.jpg
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# Huge UFO Slowly Passes Over, Dazzles Lima - Taped By TV News. LIMA, Peru
  (IPRI) - During the early morning hours of this March 10th, a UFO made a
  slow flyby of the city of Lima at very low altitude for about 15 minutes;
  many local residents witnessed its unhurried passing. Some witnesses
  claimed having seen small spheres emerge from the object at a given point,
  drifting away aimlessly. http://www.sightings.com/politics6/lima.htm

@ UFOs And Capitalism - A Classic Case Of Chicken  Egg, Fact  Fiction
  But We Love It, Eh? http://www.sightings.com/politics6/ufocc.htm

: Have you gained any money/friends/renown/experience involving UFOs lately?
Has anything constructive come from y'r UFO/ET experiences? Would you rather
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# ET, POUR CONCRETE. Can we build homes on Luna or Mars? In an environment
  simulating the conditions of space, NASA will try out mixing of concrete.
  For scientists, it is a step in finding out if future space colonies will
  be able to mix their building materials using Martian or lunar sand and
  gravel. http://news.excite.com/news/uw/000307/tech-149
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$ BIG FOOT TURD *** He Lives !!! Well here is proof that Big Foot lives!
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# Giza Plot - ETs in Pyramid? http://www.sightings.com/politics6/giz.htm
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# Aum Trial Marks Slow Courts. TOKYO (Reuters) 5 years after a fatal gas
  attack on Tokyo's subway system,the guru of a doomsday cult accused of the
  killing is still on trial, highlighting the country's snail-paced judicial
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# SPACE BLANKETS MAY AID WACO INVESTIGATORS. The Justice Dept plans to use
  "heat-reflective space blankets" to show that something other than gunfire
  could account for flashes seen on infrared videotape shot on the final day
  of the Branch Davidian seige. http://CNN.com/2000/US/03/11/waco.probe/

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# Japan Cult Tapped Cops. TOKYO (Reuters) - The doomsday cult blamed for the
  deadly 1995 nerve gas attack on the Tokyo subway system wrote software for
  the police that gave the sect classified data on police patrol cars.
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# 'LA NINA' SETS WARMING RECORD, RAISES DROUGHT AND FIRE CONCERNS. The warm,
  dry weather of the "La Nina" phenomenon brought the warmest winter in U.S.
  history, and could bring a rough fire season to the Southeast. All-time
  record high average temperatures for the December-through-February season
  throughout the US: http://cnn.com/2000/WEATHER/03/10/la.nina/index.html

# Chemtrails  Disinformation. After more than a year of chemtrail spraying
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# AIDS Virus Mutating; Concerns 

Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread ThePiedPiper

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Because of his position it does not matter
it is what was perceived by the people
he may be able to get out of it by legal processes
or by saying that many of the countries that we deal
with see that as natural
but he was a US President at that time
would those countries want to have US values
then why impose their ideas on us?
Problem:
Clinton and the ones that pull his strings "seem"
to want to say that the highest value commodity that
any country has is sex (the more types the better)
and that if you want to catch someone's eye in the
upper levels then you better teach your children
about sex - the sooner the better.  Some advocate
that sex is to be taught by six years of age.
My Question:
If a dog is running up to you barking and growling
are you going to worry if it is male or female, much
less if it is going to try to get your clothes off
and rape you?
Would the priority be to stay away from someone that
acts strange or has a track record for strange behavior
or are you suppose to / required to put yourself in that
position and have to keep from having sex / getting raped.
The Pied Piper 11March2000

Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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   When did this rape take place?  Was the woman hurt?  Prudy 
 You didn't answer my question.  Prudy

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He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
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Re: [CTRL] Smart kids don't have sex

2000-03-11 Thread ThePiedPiper

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I am well socialized to my peer group
and that group is more interested in how
people get to the horizontal position -
In other words that there is more of
a art in keeping a commitment going
vertically and that the horizontal
position is done in good taste with
sportsmanship and fair play.
SEX - the one sport where both players
can win! Neat!
There is a kicker here 
If you take your responsibilities seriously
then each person that you know is a potential
commitment.
This commitment covers not messing with
their version of reality, if it is their foundation
unless asked for your opinion and at times you know
enough to streamline that.
By the time I get to thinking about someone that
I want to spend my life with I want someone
that will be a partner in all aspect of life.
I like to live hard and play hard.
By the time I get to sex drive if my partner wants
my full attention they better have gone through my
other drives so that I am in high gear for sex, they
get more!
But I guess that means something to those that consider
sex can be a mental as it is physical.  And I am not referring
to the potential of telepathic for any of you fiction minded
people that like to write "physical romances"
or just plain XXX books.


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  I knew there was a correlation between Clinton's hyperactive sex-drive and
  his diminished intellectual capacity.. 

 If you guys think of Clinton as having a hyperactive sex drive, you all must
 not be troubled by biological urges at all.  Perhaps it's the fast food or
 too may diet cokes.  I thought it was just the fertility that had been
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[CTRL] THE EMAIL TAX IS COMING!

2000-03-11 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Stop the EMail Tax

Since nothing about the United States Constitution is taught
in Public Schools anymore, the following will come as a
surprise to most people.

The Constitution does not give government the power to
tax our income nor to tax the Internet or Email!
In fact, the only taxes which are lawful under the Constitution
are "commercial " taxes known as duties, imposts, and excises.

Impost  (definition)
"a tax, tribute, or duty; especially, a duty or tax laid
by goverment on goods imported into a country."

Excise tax  (definition)
"A Federal or state tax imposed on the manufacture and
distribution of certain non-essential consumer goods."

I have no objection to lawful taxes as set forth in our Constitution.
These are: "duties, imposts, and excise taxes"
"Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties,
imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and
general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises
shall be uniform throughout the United States; "

Notice that "income tax" is not among these powers.

During the first 130 or so years of this Republic, the government
normally ran a budget surplus.
It ran those surpluses when there was no income tax in this land.
Uncle Sam did a good job of taking care of his lawful duties and
responsibilities...and paid his bills with the revenues raised in
accordance with the Constitution.
Of course, Uncle also kept his activities and expenses within
the Constitution, so there was enough money to pay for that.

Now, what about this proposed "E-mail tax" and the various
schemes now being considered to tax the internet?
There are news stories about this every day.
All sorts of plans and proposals as to how to tax the net.
In all the rush and commotion, nobody has bothered to
check and see if such a tax or group of taxes would
be "lawful".

They wouldn't be!

Article I, Section 9.  (United States Constitution)
"No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state."

So, if you order anything from out-of-state via the internet,
and they ship it to you in another state,  it can't be lawfully taxed!
This seems simple enough.
Of course it isn't.

You must understand that just because it's unconstitutional
to tax it doesn't mean it won't happen.
The government doesn't care about what is,
or isn't, constitutional anymore.
Neither do most of the people.
This is why we have an income tax.
It's why the average working person in this country is forced
to pay about half of his or her income in taxes of various forms.
It's why there are endless government give-a-way schemes
doling out "free money" to an endless number of recipients.
It's why we have our military forces scattered all over the world
on UN "Peacekeeping " goose chases.
It's why large chunks of our country including our National Parks
and National Forrests are being designated as UN "Biospheres".

Franklin Roosevelt was the first president to really
use our Constitution as toilet paper.
Bill Clinton is only the most recent occupant of the White House
to keep hitting the flush handle.

Regards to All
 Nakano

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Re: [CTRL] THE EMAIL TAX IS COMING!

2000-03-11 Thread William Shannon

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The email tax is a hoax...urban legend...

Bill.

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[CTRL] FrankenFood / GE corn / Reference #: AAAA-4GL5ME

2000-03-11 Thread Dave

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Dear Frito-Lay:

The letter below is confusing, but reading between the lines, I understand
that you have come under "regulatory agency" pressure to include
GE/FrankenFood corn in your products?

I am writing on behalf of a loose coalition of concerned food consumer
groups.

Regrettably, for the time being - we shall be forced to place your products
firmly within the DO NOT PURCHASE list, along with the recommendations of
Deutsche Bank - who recommends that it's investment clients divest
themselves of ANY and ALL holdings in the dangerous and extremely
CONTROVERSIAL biotech farce, which is supported primarily by Monsanto and a
few others with well-greased politicking in the U.S - support which has
ALREADY cost Monsanto MORE THAN ONE-THIRD of it's stock value in the last 14
months! They have now changed their name in attempting to evade reaping the
crop they've planted by trying to fool consumers into accepting untested and
unsafe products through political bullying and bad-science proclamations
where some egghead is paid to drivel on about how "safe" this insanely
UNSAFE and UNTESTED plan to feed people with potentially mutagenic
FrankenFood is.

I understand that your corn comes from growers under contract to you, and
you should have the right (in fact you DO have the right, and the
RESPONSIBILITY) to make a decent and honorable decision to allow consumers
to purchase food in the supermarkets, NOT UNTESTED FRANKEN-"food."

May I ask which agencies were involved and what form this pressure took?
Perhaps we can help you to find the courage of your convictions in standing
up to this pressure; if you will name some names, we will do all we can to
help you resist the pressure, and exercise your earlier, more honest,
responsible and truthful decision NOT to include untested and potentially
dangerous FrankenFoods in your products.

I have reproduced, below your reply, an excerpt from an article in the
Washington Post which you may wish to consider before numbly giving in to
bullying tactics that place you within the ranks of demonic corporate
criminals such as Monsanto, purveyor through politicking, fraudulent
"scientific" reports and other criminal means of the deadly poison
Aspartame - in diet sodas and dozens of other "food" products thus rendered
poisonous.


Dave Hartley
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-Original Message-
From: Affairs, Consumer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:09 AM
To: Dave
Subject: Re: FrankenFood / GE corn


Thank you for contacting Frito-Lay.  We are always pleased when our
consumers
take the time to share their thoughts with us.

Now that there is a renewed interest in biotechnology by regulatory agencies

and some consumer concern exists, we did not feel it appropriate to ask our
growers to include bt crops in what they sell us.

Just like other food companies, Frito-Lay relies on and supports the
regulatory
agencies charged with safeguarding our food supply when sourcing ingredients

for our products.  These agencies continue to report that genetically
modified
ingredients are perfectly safe.

Since we are also a large buyer of agricultural commodities, and more than a

quarter of the North American crop is derived from biotechnology, just like
other food companies, we could have biotechnology ingredients in our
products.

Thank you for taking the time to contact Frito-Lay.  We hope this
information
is helpful.

Frito-Lay Consumer Affairs

Reference #: -4GL5ME



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http://wpni.com/wp-srv/business/daily/oct99/monsanto26.htm

Crop Busters Take On Monsanto

By Justin Gillis and Anne Swardson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 26, 1999; Page E1

The face on the giant video screen looming above the hotel conference room
was drawn and ashen. Robert Shapiro, chief executive of Monsanto Co., was
admitting corporate sin to his worst adversaries.
"We have probably irritated and antagonized more people than we have
persuaded," he told a conference organized by Greenpeace, the environmental
group. "Our confidence in this technology and our enthusiasm for it has, I
think, been widely seen--and understandably so--as condescension or indeed
arrogance."

It was an extraordinary admission for the chief executive of one of
America's proudest companies. Shapiro promised to stop lecturing and start
listening in Monsanto's campaign to sell the world on the benefits of
genetically modified food. As a concession to his critics, he promised never
to deploy a gene dubbed "terminator" that might have protected Monsanto's
commercial interests by producing sterile seeds after one generation.

No company has bet more than Monsanto on genetically modified foodstuffs. No
company believed more deeply in their value--and potential profitability.
And now no company is suffering more, in terms of finances, stock 

Re: [CTRL] THE EMAIL TAX IS COMING!

2000-03-11 Thread Tenorlove

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http://www.snopes.com

This one has been around since there was email.
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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

2000-03-11 Thread Ric Carter

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  # SPACE BLANKETS MAY AID WACO INVESTIGATORS. ... snipola ...
Branch Davidian seige. http://CNN.com/2000/US/03/11/waco.probe/
  : Does your conspiracy successfully delay nvestigations/prosecutions/
  retributions for as long as possible? Have you delayed justice lately?

 Other than the possibility (probability) of government lying, why does
 anyone care?

Some people are astonished/disconcerted that powerful people/entities
aren't always [or often] truthful.  Of course, I don't remember seeing
anything in the US or Calif constitutions requiring honesty/trughfulness
of govt operatives.  Yes, they may be required to swear [or affirm] to
"faithfully execute" their office.  But the populace always seems to
like having ruthless, devious SOBs "faithfully executing" whatever they
can/want/will, in order to get the job done.  The propriety of any
specific method of "execution" is always a political matter.

 Here we had a psychotic nut case running around claiming to be the
 Messiah and amassing all sorts of Messianic weapons, a bunch of
 idiots willing to follow this self proclaimed Messiah and their very
 unfortunate children - all of whom died but non of which needed to.

Messiah means "annointed one."  Messiahs are annointed with oil.  Oil
is flammable.  Messiahs burn.  Those around them burn.  The logic is
irrefutable.  Follow a messiah - get crispy-crittered.  Yow.

 There are far more kinder, gentler self-proclaimed Messiahs around
 whom those who wish to follow such people could do so, or even more
 interesting ways to go - like the mass suicide cults.

Who deserve all the encouragement they can get, IMHO.  But I digress.

 Isn't this just evolution in action?

Social evolution, maybe.  Remember that cognition/intelligence is
only about 30% inheritable -- so, just because stupid people may die
before they can breed, doesn't mean that following generations will
be any more intelligent.  And just because dummies breed, DOESN'T
mean that their kids will necessarily be as stupid as they.

 And while we are on the topic (which we weren't), evolution is not
 a theory. It is a proven fact.  The term "Theory of Evolution" is
 used by some to justify their own beliefs.

Those prattling about "theory" vs fact should attend to the definition
of "scientific theory" - "a workable explanation supported by the
preponderence of data."  A useful theory is falsifiable and testable -
notions of creationism aren't.

 Not a kinder, gentler person.

We've known that for a LONG time, M.A.!!

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Re: [CTRL] [SC]Burn Baby Burn

2000-03-11 Thread Ric Carter

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 Messiah means "annointed one."  Messiahs are annointed with oil.
 oil is flammable.  Messiahs burn.  Those around them burn.

 Well, while you're at it ... I just sent the following question to
 couple of ng's. Perhaps some of  you know the answer?

 In which countries besides my own -- Denmark -- is it still a
 tradition to burn witch-dolls at stakes in order to celebrate
 the birth of St. John, June 23?

Hmm, symbolically burning witches/medicos/wisdom just after the
Summer Solstice -- good question.  Sounds like a conspiracy...

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[CTRL] US Organic food standards proposed

2000-03-11 Thread Dave

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GLICKMAN ANNOUNCES NEW PROPOSAL FOR NATIONAL ORGANIC STANDARDS

   Release No. 0074.00

   Susan McAvoy (202) 720-4623
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   Billy Cox (202) 720-8998
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GLICKMAN ANNOUNCES NEW PROPOSAL FOR NATIONAL ORGANIC STANDARDS

 WASHINGTON, March 7, 2000 Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman today
announced  a new proposal for uniform and consistent national standards for
organic food.

 "This is the most comprehensive and strongest organic standard in the
world," said Glickman.  "I believe that is exactly what American consumers
and
organic farmers want."

 Essentially, the proposal offers a national definition for the term
"organic."  Currently, organic food is certified by various private and
state
organizations that each use their own standards for the term "organic."

 "A single national organic standard, backed by consistent and accurate
labeling, will greatly reduce consumer confusion," said Glickman.
"Consumers
will know what they are buying and organic farmers will know what is
expected
of them."

 The proposal details the methods, practices, and substances that can be
used in producing and handling organic crops and livestock, as well as
processed products.  It establishes clear labeling criteria and rules so
that
consumers know exactly what they are buying when they purchase organic food.
It specifically prohibits the use of genetic engineering, sewage sludge, and
irradiation in the production of food products labeled "organic."  The
proposal also prohibits antibiotics in organic livestock production and
requires 100 percent organic feed for organic livestock.

 USDA's proposal will allow organic farmers to export more easily their
products because trading partners can more easily deal with one national
standard rather than multiple state and private standards.

 The revised proposal is the result of careful analysis of more than
275,000 comments USDA received in response to its initial December 1997
organic proposal.

 "We listened to consumers and organic farmers and closely followed the
recommendations of the National Organic Standards Board to develop a
national
organic standard that is better than our original proposal," Glickman said.
"We believe these new standards fully meet consumer expectations and reflect
current organic farming practices."

 Secretary Glickman today also announced several other steps the
Administration is taking to promote organic agriculture.  President
Clinton's
fiscal 2001 budget proposes $5 million for research to develop improved
organic production and processing methods, evaluate economic benefits to
farmers, and develop new organic markets.  Glickman said USDA will establish
a
pilot organic crop insurance program to help organic farmers better manage
risk.  He also announced that USDA and the University of California at Davis
will conduct research on organic production and ways to enhance farmers'
ability to market organic fruits and vegetables.

 The proposed national standard and additional steps Secretary Glickman
announced today will help stimulate one of the fastest growing sectors of
American agriculture.  USDA estimates that the value of retail sales of
organic foods in 1999 was approximately $6 billion.  The number of organic
farmers is increasing about 12 percent per year and now stands at about
12,200
nationwide, most of them small-scale producers.

 Fact sheets and other background materials on the proposed organic rule
can be accessed on the web at www.ams.usda.gov/nop.

  The public has 90 days to respond to the USDA proposals which are to
be posed on the USDA Web site.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/

Where to write:
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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

2000-03-11 Thread Jeff Sandlin

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That`s ridiculous.  It should be called the hypothesis of evolution at
best.

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[CTRL] Bush Jr.

2000-03-11 Thread ThePiedPiper

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Read that Laura and George Bush grew
up in the same town.
Laura accidentally ran into her boyfriend
when she was 17 and killed him.
Laura's boyfriend was a member of the
football team and considering Bush's
grades at Yale I doubt that his
high school grades or actions were anything
worth mentioning.  I doubt that she would
have looked at Bush in high school.
Yet he goes back to a small town and
marries her after a three month courtship.

The Pied Piper 11March2000
The article telling about the car accident
where Laura's boyfriend dies was in the
Waco tribune a week or so ago.
--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually
you will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you -
 start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] http://www.amnewsabuse.com/

2000-03-11 Thread ThePiedPiper

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--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually
you will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you -
 start considering you surplus.

http://www.amnewsabuse.com/
this site has a neat list of e-zine and more
at the end of his page.
The Pied Piper 11march2000

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson brbr

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
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Re: [CTRL] Who is UN Secretary- General Kofi Annan?

2000-03-11 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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UN interested in disarming the private gun owners:

U.N. Resolution Proposed to Restrict U.S. Second Amendment
The Clinton Administration is supporting a resolution in the United Nations
which would take away the right of American Citizens to keep and bear arms.
This is a direct assault upon our Second Amendment rights by our own
President who wrongly believes it would reduce international crime.

In the section entitled "Measures to Regulate Firearms" which would directly
target the rights of law-abiding American gunowners we find the following
proposals:

A requirement for hunters to store their firearms in so-called "Sporting
Clubs."
Allowing only shotguns (smooth-bore firearms) for personal protection.
Allowing firearms collectors to possess only those firearms that have been
altered so they can no longer be fired.
Requiring anyone wishing to own a firearm to establish a need for possessing
guns.
Requiring hunters to obtain insurance before hunting.
Generally discouraging the private ownership of firearms.
According to the New York Times, the Clinton Administration is fully backing
the United Nations effort to enact these proposals.

The above proposals are what the U.N. has listed for now. Do you think they
will stop at anything less than complete disarmament of the American people?

It may be hard to believe that an American President would help international
power grabbers disarm our law-abiding citizens, but this is not the first
time the Clinton Administration has given away our sovereignty to the United
Nations.

Bill Clinton has given federal lands to the United Nations, forced our Armed
Forces to wear the blue helmet of the U.N. Army (courtmartialing those
American soldiers who refused to do so), allowed negotiations on the U.N.
Global Climate Treaty in spite of a 95-0 vote in the Senate, and remains
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[CTRL] THE UN WANTS OUR GUNS!

2000-03-11 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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The United Nations wants the American People disarmed.
Clinton agrees with the UN.
Why should we not be surprised?
   Regards to All
Nakano
___

U.N. Resolution Proposed to Restrict U.S. Second Amendment:
The Clinton Administration is supporting a resolution in the United Nations
which would take away the right of American Citizens to keep and bear arms.
This is a direct assault upon our Second Amendment rights by our own
President.
In the section entitled "Measures to Regulate Firearms" which would directly
target the rights of law-abiding American gunowners we find the following
proposals:

A requirement for hunters to store their firearms in so-called "Sporting
Clubs."
Allowing only shotguns (smooth-bore firearms) for personal protection.
Allowing firearms collectors to possess only those firearms that have been
altered so they can no longer be fired.
Requiring anyone wishing to own a firearm to establish a need for
possessing guns.
Requiring hunters to obtain insurance before hunting.
Generally discouraging the private ownership of firearms.
According to the New York Times, the Clinton Administration is fully backing
the United Nations effort to enact these proposals.

The above proposals are what the U.N. has listed for now. Do you think they
will stop at anything less than complete disarmament of the American people?

It may be hard to believe that an American President would help international
power grabbers disarm our law-abiding citizens, but this is not the first
time the Clinton Administration has given away our sovereignty to the United
Nations.

Bill Clinton has given federal lands to the United Nations, forced our Armed
Forces to wear the blue helmet of the U.N. Army (courtmartialing those
American soldiers who refused to do so), allowed negotiations on the U.N.
Global Climate Treaty in spite of a 95-0 vote in the Senate, and remains
silent when U.N. leaders debate the types of "Global Taxes" they want us to
pay.

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[CTRL] Doctor Ford, Murder, Buried Cylinders the CIA

2000-03-11 Thread The Extremist

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Bizarre plot unfolds in California
http://www.msnbc.com/news/380516.asp?cp1=1

IRVINE, Calif., March 10 —  A doctor with mysterious containers
buried in his yard killed himself out of fear he was being set up as a
suspect in a failed “hit” on his partner, the man’s lawyer said Friday. It
is just the latest twist in a bizarre plot playing out in a tony
neighborhood in Southern California.

‘You really think this happens on the news, in other places, not here.
Now, I find myself looking at my neighbors a little differently.’ —
GLORIA SECORE,  Neighbor

THE CASE has baffled residents of this $580,000-a-house
community in the heart of Orange County, better known for its
University of California campus and airport named after John Wayne
than for crime. “This really has revealed a false sense of security for
us. You really think this happens on the news, in other places. Not
here,” said Gloria Secore. “Now, I find myself looking at my
neighbors a little differently.”

The neighbor who started all the fuss is Dr. Larry Ford, a medical
researcher with ties to the CIA who committed suicide March 2, a
day after police questioned him about the attempted murder of his
business partner, James Patrick Riley, 58, of Newport Beach.

In an interview with the Orange County Newschannel on Friday,
Ford’s attorney, Bryan Card, the doctor left a suicide note about the
shooting attack on Riley. “He indicated he thought he was ‘set up,’ ”
Card said. “And he asked those left behind to prove it.” Card said the
note did not elaborate on how Ford might have been set up or who
would do it. He said Ford led a secret life his family did not know
about.

“The police informed Mrs. Ford that her husband had been working
for the CIA for the last 20 years, among some other agencies. But,
obviously, with his expertise in bacteria and things of that nature, they
called upon him from time to time to help them,” Card said, adding
that Ford worked on biological warfare.

The story began to unfold nearly two weeks ago when a masked
gunman dressed in black attacked Riley in the company parking lot of
Biofem Pharmaceutical Inc., the company run by Riley and Ford. The
gunman fired once, hitting Riley in the face. He was hospitalized for
five days, then released.

Almost immediately, police focused on Ford. The two men were
trying to market a female contraceptive suppository they believed
would also hinder the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. They
believed the product would be worth millions.

However, before police could question Ford, he committed suicide.
Police have since arrested Ford’s longtime friend Dino D’Saachs, 56,
as the getaway driver in the botched hit on Riley. Police continued to
search for the shooter.

D’Saachs, who pleaded innocent to the charges on Monday, had
known Ford for about 15 years and apparently had done Riley’s
taxes and worked on cars for him. Police found the deed to Riley’s
home in D’Saachs’ possession.

When a family member tipped off police that Ford had buried
weapons and biological materials in the yard, authorities ordered the
evacuation of the neighborhood. More than 49 families were
evacuated to a nearby hotel and a local elementary school was closed
for the week. Pink “cleared” signs now hang on doors, garages and
metal gates of the empty homes. Another 50 families were told to be
ready to leave if necessary.

On Friday police unearthed six canisters which had been buried
vertically under a slab of concrete, KNBC-TV reports. Described as
10-inch-wide PVC pipes with caps on the ends, the containers were
carefully lifted out of the ground by a bomb squad robot, then taken
away to be opened under controlled conditions.

An X-ray scan done at the site showed pipes contain items made of
metal and what authorities suspect are explosive materials, police
sources told KNBC. Additionally, a search of the house yielded
thousands of rounds of rifle ammunition hidden beneath a trap door
— including illegal belted machine gun rounds, police said. Although
Ford owned several rifles and shotguns, no illegal weapons were
found.

KNOWING YOUR NEIGHBOR
“It’s scary,” said Paul Chu, who has lived in the area since the houses
were built 15 years ago. Outside of Secore’s house, she and two
friends discussed the media and police spectacle unfolding across the
street.

“The news helicopters started at 5:30 this morning, and the ‘beep-
beep’ of the (police emergency) trucks backing up went on all night.
This morning, some guy shoved a microphone in my face,” Secore
said. “It’s like we’ve been invaded.”

All three said the case was a lesson about morals and neighbors. “Try
to have some morals. Stand up and be accountable for your actions,”
Secore said. “It also goes to show, how well do you really know
who’s in your neighborhood? I’m going to make more of an effort to
know who’s here.”

Down the street, Martha Biemann sat in her car with three of her
children. She 

[CTRL] [NA] Counterfeit Buchanan Kristol-izes

2000-03-11 Thread lloyd

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..

From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html

From: Jim Condit Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [NA] Counterfeit Buchanan Kristol-izes
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 4:08 AM

www.networkamerica.org

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin
March 9, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire

Counterfeit “Buchanan” Kristol-izes

Thanks to an alert reader, we present you with Pure Gold in this e-wire.

This e-wire also pulls together the action of the Permanent Revolution
on the 2000 Presidential election as it is happening TODAY, and by today
I do mean March 9th, 2000!

First let’s examine the nugget of gold mined by that alert reader from
the cavernous mines of the internet. He found it in a damp, somewhat
smelly cave known as “The Weekly Standard website.”

The article is by that Top Permanent Revolution agent, that treasonous
Twerp, William Kristol. Kristol is a Trojan Horse within the
conservative and patriotic movement. He and his crowd are complete
traitors to the Constitution of the United States and are instituting
the anti-Christian New World Order as fast as they possibly can, — and
they don’t care how much your family suffers financially or physically,
if it comes to that.

The bland, smirking Kristol (unlike Dubya, Kristol has something to be
arrogant about, he IS in the innermost circles of power perpetrating
treason against you and your children and grandchildren) would be near
useless if he wore the label of “liberal” or “moderate” – but if he is
promoted by the Permanent Revolution’s Big Media as a “conservative”
then he can do some real damage.

Kristol is the son of Irving, an open Trotskyite Communist at New York
City college, where he and Norman Podoretz were taught by socialist
economist Joseph Schumpeter. (Banking on the probability that his
conservative readers don’t know who Schumpeter was, Kristol writes of
him as “the great economist Joseph Schumpeter” in the first sentence of
an article just released for the March 13th edition of Kristol’s Weekly
Standard.) In the 70’s Irving Kristol and Norman Podoretz became
“conservatives”, that is, neo-conservatives. With the help of their
comrades in the Big Media, they have now “excommunicated” real
conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Joseph Sobran out of their
“conservative” movement. In an exchange of columns with one of them
recently, Buchanan aptly stated something to the effect that
(paraphrase) “looking at what has become of the Republican Party is like
coming back to the neighborhood and house you grew up in to find that
the local gangs had turned it into a crack house. You don’t know whether
to burn it down or walk away.” An excellent analogy.


By the way, Kristol was given $10 million to start his false opposition
rag by sleaze Media Mogul Rupert Murdock. Rest assured, Kristol is NOT a
conservative or a patriot.

Let’s look at the key passages from Kristol’s article which appeared on
the morning of March 8, 2000 on the internet, with NA comment
interspersed in brackets [ ]:

Kristol’s article entitled “The Next Eight Months” begins:

 “Last night the primary campaigns ended, and the general election
contest began. What’s ahead?

“Eight long months.

[NA comment: Kristol and his Ruling Elite comrades know they have a
massive problem on their hands. They front-loaded the primaries to block
any possible Buchanan momentum which would have cast doubt on the final
result, a la Buchanan vs. the pathetic Dole in 1996 — during which
contest widespread suspicion of computer votefraud first took hold in
the USA. Now they have eight long months with two of the most
yawn-inspiring candidates in the television age — I mean, even the
on-again-off-again senile Dole displayed a real sense of humor with some
regularity. And the Gush-Bore match-up points up another major problem
for Kristol and his comrades: their parasiting and fleecing of the
American working class is wearing very thin, so thin that Buchanan may
be able to peel their mask off in those next eight months. They MUST try
to prevent that by contriving even more totally fake “excitement” and
engineered hair-spinning turns in the road.]

Back to Kristol’s column:

“But before we get too depressed about the prospect of a boring and
conventional Bush-Gore slugfest, let’s consider the likeliest road
ahead: Things won’t go simply or smoothly or predictably . . . There
will be reversals, reprisals, shocks . . .

[NA comment: yea, there’s going to be “shocks” and “reversals” because
Kristol’s comrades in the Big Media are going to engineer them, with the
help of a little pressure and or blackmail on useful idiots like Donald
Trump and John McCain.]

Back to Kristol’s column:

“Only three men, barring death, 

Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

2000-03-11 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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This is an incoherent message.
What are you talking about?

J2
==
Jeff Sandlin wrote:

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 /A -Cui Bono?-

 That`s ridiculous.  It should be called the hypothesis of evolution at
 best.

 http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture
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[CTRL] International Justice System Emerging

2000-03-11 Thread The Extremist

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Mar 11, 2000 - 11:43 AM
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGIDGDDGP5C.html
International Justice System Emerging From Ashes of Bloodiest
Century

By Jerome Socolovsky Associated Press Writer

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - When the Serbs came to take her
son away, Sabaheta Fejzic fell to her knees and begged the soldiers
to kill her instead.

She last saw 17-year-old Rijade and her husband, Saban, being
dragged off one black day in July 1995, when Serb forces swept into
the U.N. "safe haven" of Srebrenica and overran 150 Dutch
peacekeepers.

Some 8,000 Muslim fathers, sons, brothers and husbands were killed
or disappeared in the Bosnian massacre. Grief has tormented Fejzic
since.

"There is nothing that could ease my pain and the pain of thousands of
other mothers," she says. "But if everyone who is guilty is put on trial,
it might help a little bit to make life worth living."

The clamor for justice by Fejzic and fellow "Mothers of Srebrenica,"
as well as other grieving survivors of wars, ethnic slaughters and civil
oppression, is finally being heard. Monday, the commander who
allegedly ordered the systematic slaughter at Srebrenica goes on trial
at the Yugoslav war crimes tribunal here.

Indeed, an increasingly sturdy framework of international tribunals and
truth commissions is taking shape and showing, more and more, that
justice is bound by no frontiers.

Earlier this month, the Yugoslav tribunal handed down a 45-year
sentence, its stiffest yet, to the first senior military officer it convicted.
Gen Tihomir Blaskic was found guilty of overseeing the 1993 killings
of hundreds of Bosnian Muslims.

The modest successes of the Yugoslav tribunal at The Hague and a
similar court in Tanzania dealing with the 1994 Rwanda genocide are
prompting calls for more tribunals and renewing faith in the promise of
global justice.

"This is a sea change," says Theodor Meron of New York University,
an expert on international law. "Since the establishment of the
tribunals, we have seen acceptance of the notion of prosecution of
those responsible for atrocities."

Experts credit the spread of democracy, the human rights movement
and instantaneous television news coverage of atrocities - which made
it impossible to look the other way.

"What has changed is the perception that they (citizens) can exert their
influence on governments to curb impunity - and the realization by
governments that they can't get away with it anymore," says Cherif
Bassiouni, a law professor at DePaul University in Chicago who
headed a 1993 U.N. commission on war crimes.

A turning point came earlier that year when TV images of emaciated
prisoners in Bosnian concentration camps shocked the world and left
the United Nations with no option but to act. The Security Council set
up Bassiouni's commission, which in turn provided the foundation for
the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, which
has 14 judges from assorted countries.

The Yugoslav tribunal was the first war crimes court since the
aftermath of World War II, when 22 Nazis stood trial at Nuremberg
and 28 Japanese leaders were prosecuted by a tribunal in Tokyo.

The Yugoslav tribunal, however, is considered the first truly
international prosecution of war criminals because the German and
Japanese tribunals were imposed by the victors on the vanquished.

So far, judges at The Hague have convicted 14 Serbs, Muslims and
Croats of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Thirty-five others
are in detention. Thirty additional suspects stand indicted - including
former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and his military chief,
Gen. Ratko Mladic, for Srebrenica, and Yugoslav President
Slobodan Milosevic for crimes against humanity in last spring's
Kosovo campaign.

The Rwanda tribunal, based in Arusha, Tanzania, has detained 45
people and sentenced seven Rwandans to life imprisonment, the
maximum penalty at either tribunal.

As other nations struggle to overcome dark chapters in their history,
appeals are sounding for similar tribunals:

-For East Timor, to judge Indonesian troops and pro-Jakarta militias
who went on a murderous, three-week rampage after the Aug. 30
independence vote.

-For Cambodia, to judge the Khmer Rouge for the infamous "killing
fields."

-For Iraq, to judge the regime of Saddam Hussein, a campaign led by
the U.S. State Department.

Meanwhile, momentum is building for a permanent International
Criminal Court that might replace the tribunals.

It would sit at The Hague alongside the International Court of Justice,
better known as the World Court. Unlike the World Court, a U.N.
body that settles disputes between countries, the criminal court could
hold individuals responsible for atrocities anywhere in the world.

The proposal has powerful opposition from the United States and a
coalition of unlikely bedfellows, including Libya, Algeria and China.
Washington fears that U.S. troops deployed in foreign 

[CTRL] Alan Keyes hangs tough

2000-03-11 Thread The Extremist

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ELECTION 2000

Alan Keyes hangs on...
Former ambassador determined to give Americans a 'choice'

By Julie Foster © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

Although Senators Bill Bradley and John McCain are out of the
presidential race, Alan Keyes has chosen to remain in the race, in
order, he says, to give voters a choice apart from front-runners Gov.
George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore.

"He is still in candidate mode," Keyes spokesman George Cecala told
WorldNetDaily. "If there are people willing to work in any state, he
will be there."

Given attendance at Wednesday's rally in Utah, people are willing --
an estimated 5,000 supporters showed up. And Keyes shows no sign
of slowing down. In fact, his weekend is booked. In addition to a
"Renewing America" rally held Friday at the University of Oklahoma,
Keyes is scheduled to make an appearance on "Saturday Night Live,"
followed by an event in San Antonio, Texas the following morning.

But some have questioned the former ambassador, radio talk host
and orator as to his reasons for staying in a costly, seemingly hopeless
race.

Hopelessness, Keyes says, is when voters are not presented with the
option to choose a candidate that best represents their values and
philosophies. But options do Americans no good if voters do not take
advantage of them, he said.

"The reason that I am honestly here," he said during a debate on
March 2, "is because with the majority of people in the Republican
Party I am the sentimental favorite. I am the one you all listen to. You
know I am saying what's in your heart."

"You know that I speak the truth," he continued, "the true bedrock
conservatism, do it better than anybody who has appeared in these
debates, and it's one of the reasons that my colleagues did not feel
that they had the strength to stand up and say, kick him out, you see,
because they know that, that would rouse your ire. But if it will rouse
your ire, how come it doesn't inspire you to get out there in the voting
booth and stand with the same integrity for what you believe that I
stand with here in this arena?

"Unless you, the voters of the Republican Party, start to be willing to
show that kind of integrity, our cause will be lost. These gentlemen
[Bush and McCain] won't win in the fall because they don't have the
courage of our convictions, and they will not effectively communicate
that to the heart of the American people, and that's what we
desperately need," Keyes concluded.

Keyes has been communicating his message of moral revival to
Americans every week in his exclusive WorldNetDaily column. Most
recently, the former Reagan official cautioned Americans against
succumbing to an attitude of "might makes right." The United States,
he says, played a crucial role in the maintenance of human ethics in the
last century, but will soon become a victim of tyranny if its course is
not altered.

"The American people," Keyes wrote, "have three times in this
century been the essential key in the effort to beat back the global
shadow of evil. Without us, the history of the 20th century would have
been a history of successful tyranny. ... And we must contemplate
what shall be the consequences for the world if we are no longer
fighting the shadow of evil, but casting it ourselves."

"We are not ready for the new century," he continued. "Our national
soul is sick, possibly unto death. And as clouds of future danger, seen
and unseen, gather in the early days of the new century, we slumber in
the easy chair of our material prosperity, and cheerfully send our
children off to be trained in the new ideology of power.

Though he issues a harsh warning, Keyes does believe there is hope
for what he deems an ailing nation -- moral revival through moral
leadership. And Keyes believes he is the man for the job.

While his numbers may be small, they are growing. Super Tuesday
brought the candidate's total delegates to 12, and he garnered more
than 100,000 votes in California. The Wall Street Journal now
estimates the determined presidential hopeful is earning eight percent
of the vote nationwide.

Even with rising support, Keyes recognizes the fact that Americans
tend to support not the candidate who best represents them, but the
candidate they believe will win a presidential bid. In what has become
perhaps his signature line, Keyes rails against such a mentality.

"This is not some kind of stupid horse race where we're trying to pick
the winner," Keyes has said.

"The voters are supposed to determine the winner, not pick the
winner. And there's a big difference there. We're not running in some
sort of race to see who finishes first. We ought to be involved in a
deliberative discussion that results in a choice that is going to be good
for America. And if you believe that you offer that choice, and you're
the best choice the country can make, I think you have an obligation
to stand forward, regardless 

[CTRL] Los Alamos' Holes

2000-03-11 Thread br wahl

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--Original Message--
From: br wahl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 6, 2000 6:49:29 AM GMT
Subject: Los Alamos' Holes


LOS ALAMOS' HOLES

..During 1975-1976 the Los Alamos lab reported the development of an
electrical hole driller which could sink a shaft by melting rock. This could
produce a shaft at least thirty-eight thousand feet deep. The story -- it
read well and at least seemed plausible -- was that water injected into one
such hole would produce steam which would drive a turbine connected to a
second hole. Los Alamos was to provide free, clean, and everlasting power to
humanity.
..Several years later the failure of the scheme was announced. The holes
were deep enough to reach hot magma but the steam dissipated in fissures and
cracks rather than rising in the adjacent hole.
..At about the same time as the glorious federal hole was promoted, the
press reported the feds were shrinking and also intensifying thermonuclear
explosives. Such weapons are smaller than most people imagine.
..This is why it is important to determine the date and time of the
first French thermonuclear test detonation. It is believed to have occurred
less than two years before the colossal underground thermonuclear explosion
at the French test site in the south Pacific on about 26 July 1976. On the
same day the Soviets produced similar monstrous blasts at their Siberian
test site.
..The Tangshan earthquake in China occurred 28 July 1976 (if I recall
correctly, my notes have disappeared) and resulted in the death of more than
one million persons -- as reported by an on-site witness. The almanacs
shrink the death toll with every new edition.
..The implications point to extra-strength thermonuclear capsules
stacked in a very deep hole at the French test site. These technologies were
far beyond the abilities of the French atomic bombers in 1976.
..The earthquake aspect is tied into the lunar perigee, that is when the
Moon, in an elliptical orbit, passes closest to the earth. This triggers
major earthquakes even without contrived artificial assistance. Fortunately,
the lunar perigee relative to the earth's surface has a nineteen year cycle
and can't be hurried along.
..Nevertheless, we are left with the vexed question of just what the
government(s) may be planning next. Their diabolical abilities have only
increased since 1976.
..The terminating set-up of Nixon was probably merely a prelude to the
hole caper.
..Also note Gerald Ford's hurried trip to Vladivostok to confer with
Brezhnev immediately following Ford's presidential installation prior to the
Tangshan earthquake.
..Also note that in August 1976 the North Koreans captured a U.S.Army
lieutenant and literally hacked him into small, bloody pieces using
hatchets.

BR Wahl, Montpelier, Vermont, 6 March 2000, 1:48am EST.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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Jeff Sandlin wrote:

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 When refering to the president of the U.S.A. or anyone else, it would be
 grossly unfair to say they were guilty if they were not convicted in
 court.

So if a guy comes up to you and breaks your nose, your nose will not
hurt
until your attacker is found guilty in court.

Good thinking.

That's fair.

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Melting Of Earth's Ice Cover Reaches New High]

2000-03-11 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

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 In a message dated 03/10/2000 7:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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  Scientists suspect that the enhanced melting is among the first
  observable signs of human-induced global warming, caused by the
  unprecedented release of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases
  over
  the past century. Glaciers and other ice features are particularly
  sensitive to temperature shifts. 

 How can I believe this when Dubya's father told us that there was no global
 warming.  That must have been the truth, because you all have told me over
 and over again that the Bush family never lies.  Prudy


Not me Prudy. I never said that. I think he fibs.

J2

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[CTRL] Fwd: Politically Correct Corruption

2000-03-11 Thread Kris Millegan





"How a bright and beguiling budget analyst leeced a showcase minority aid
program at San Francisco State University" -- while the program's officers
looked the other way

"A Piece of the (Affirmative) Action" by Matt Isaacs:
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2000-03-08/feature.html




[CTRL] Fwd: Wanted: Cheaper Labor for the Corporate Plantation

2000-03-11 Thread Kris Millegan





 "According to 1996 figures, foreign workers make up about 10 percent of
the workforce in the United States, compared with 3 percent in Britain "


 One excerpt from the front-page NY Times article [below] which I read
underscored the fact that the "booming" service economy NEEDS a vast cheap
labor pool --quoting Greenspan and others-- and federal agencies have in
effect CHOSEN to permit the "private sector," without legal interference, to
use ILLEGAL aliens to fill that need ...


US INS Arresting Fewer Illegal Immigrants, NY Times Reports

Washington, March 9 (Bloomberg) -- Arrests of illegal immigrants by the U.S.
Immigration and Naturalization Service dropped to about 8,600 last year from
22,000 two years earlier, the New York Times reported. At a time of labor
shortages and a booming U.S. economy, the INS is concentrating on arresting
and deporting illegal aliens who have committed crimes, the newspaper said.
``It is just the market at work, drawing people to jobs, and the INS has
chosen to concentrate its actions on aliens who are a danger to the
community,'' said Robert L. Bach, INS associate commissioner for policy and
planning, the Times said.

Presidential contender George W. Bush told supporters Monday that legal
immigration is a sign of national success and that the Republican party must
be inclusive and have an open door policy.



ILO: Migrant Workers May Increase

By MARA D. BELLABY
.c The Associated Press

LONDON (AP) - The number of emigrants seeking work around the world is set to
increase as globalization puts added pressure on poor countries and makes
working abroad more enticing, the International Labor Organization said.

About 130 million people are working as migrants worldwide, up from 75
million in 1965, the U.N. group said Wednesday. Moreover, the number of
undocumented migrants is estimated at 10 million to 15 million, said Peter
Stalker, who wrote the book ``Workers without Frontiers'' for the
organization.

The economic migrants are seeking work in roughly 67 countries, up from 39 in
1970, and fleeing 55 countries, compared to 29 previously, Stalker said. But
in a sign of the complexity of immigration patterns, 15 countries such as
Thailand and Malaysia both receive and send a major number of migrant
workers.

``In a world of winners and losers, the losers do not simply disappear. They
seek somewhere else to go,'' Stalker said at a news conference launching the
book.

Even with tight border controls, increased paranoia about foreigners and
tougher sanctions on illegal immigrants, migrant workers play a key role in
the global economy, Stalker said.

``For many people, the only thing they see is that immigrant taking a job,''
he said. ``The fact is that the immigrants actually create more jobs than
they take. They ride on the buses, eat at cafes, shop at the stores.''

The chief reason people keep migrating is the ability to earn more. For
example, a Mexican worker would make roughly $31 a week at home, compared to
$278 a week in the United States, according to 1996 figures.

Wage rates for occupations that are open to immigrants vary considerably from
country to country, the report said, although immigrants tend to be highly
concentrated in certain sectors.

``In the United States, the sector in which the share of immigrants is
highest is agriculture,'' the book says.

Jobs are more informal and transitory, making it easier for companies to hire
migrants, Stalker said. Additionally, the growth of the service industry has
led to an increase of unappealing jobs that natives do not want to fill.

Improvements in travel and communication also contribute, Stalker said. The
cost of a three-minute phone call between London and New York fell from $300
to $1 between 1930 and 1996, he noted.

Initially, Stalker said, many people assumed globalization would lessen the
need for migration. But even as markets open, developing countries are more
likely to be flooded by foreign goods than to have time to create their own
industries, which might help them hold onto workers, he said.

While immigration has become an emotional issue recently, Stalker said the
largest flow of people actually happened from 1815 to 1915. And a quick
survey of booming countries shows immigration played a major part in their
success, he said.

``The United States had a population of about 100 million 100 years ago and
today it is 230 million,'' Stalker said. ``But this is not a country that has
been overwhelmed by immigrants. On the contrary, it has been driven by
immigrants.''

The peak year for immigration in the United States was 1915, when 1.2 million
immigrants arrived, equivalent to 1.2 percent of the total American
population at the time, the book said. In 1996, the United States received
996,000 immigrants, 0.35 percent of the population.

According to 1996 figures, foreign workers make up 9.4 percent of the
workforce in the United States, compared with 25 percent in Australia, 3.4
percent in 

[CTRL] Mujahedins in Bosnia

2000-03-11 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

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===
The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU

   The Washington Post,   March 11, 2000

   A Bosnian Village's Terrorist Ties
   Links to U.S. Bomb Plot Arouse Concern About Enclave of Islamic
   Guerrillas

   By R. Jeffrey Smith
   Washington Post Foreign Service
   Saturday, March 11, 2000; Page A01

   BOCINJA DONJA, Bosnia-A sign along the road into town warns visitors
   to "be afraid of Allah." It is a message worth taking to heart: Two
   NATO generals who ventured here in the past year were assaulted or
   threatened by residents. Last August, the windshield of a visiting
   relief worker was shattered by an ax.

   The village's 600 residents include 60 to 100 former mujaheddin,
   Islamic guerrillas from the Middle East and elsewhere who came to help
   Bosnia's Muslims during the 1992-95 war. Since the conflict ended,
   they and their families have organized a community that stands apart
   from the rest of Bosnia, whose Muslim majority largely follows a
   relaxed version of Islam. Bocinja Donja's affairs, in contrast, are
   governed by strict Islamic law. Women wear veils and long black robes;
   men have long beards. They do not smoke or drink--or speak to
   visitors.

   Washington and its allies have complained periodically about the
   mujaheddin, who were technically obligated by international treaty to
   leave the country in 1995. But Western complaints lacked urgency until
   two months ago, when U.S. law enforcement authorities discovered that
   a handful of the men who have visited or lived in this area were
   associated with a suspected terrorist plot to bomb targets in the
   United States on New Year's Day.

   Among them was Karim Said Atmani, whom authorities have named as the
   document forger for a group of Algerians accused of plotting the
   bombings. He is a former roommate of Ahmed Ressam, the man arrested at
   the Canadian-U.S. border in mid-December with a carload of explosives,
   according to authoritative Western sources. Atmani has been a frequent
   visitor to Bosnia, most recently a few days after Ressam's arrest.

   A recent Bosnian government search of passport and residency
   records--conducted at the urging of the United States--revealed other
   former mujaheddin who are linked to the same Algerian group or to
   other suspected terrorist groups and who have lived in this area 60
   miles north of Sarajevo, the capital, in the past few years.

   One man, a Palestinian named Khalil Deek, was arrested in Jordan in
   late December on suspicion of involvement in a plot to blow up tourist
   sites; a second man with Bosnian citizenship, Hamid Aich, lived in
   Canada at the same time as Atmani and worked for a charity associated
   with Osama bin Laden, the fugitive Saudi financier Washington has
   blamed for masterminding the bomb plan.

   A third suspect, an Algerian named Abu Mali who was regarded as a
   community leader in Bocinja, was asked to leave the country with his
   family last spring after Washington accumulated evidence that he
   worked for what it described as a terrorist organization, U.S. and
   Bosnian officials say. Another former resident, Mehrez Amdouni, was
   arrested by Turkish police last September in Istanbul, where he
   arrived on a Bosnian passport, and charged with counterfeiting and
   possessing stolen goods.

   "We have been concerned about this community for years," said a senior
   U.S. official in Washington, who spoke by telephone and asked not to
   be named. "We flushed out a lot of them [after the end of the war].
   Bosnia's not becoming the crossroads of terrorists. [But] we find the
   whole group of them a threat, and we want them out of there."

   Atmani, for example, obtained his first Bosnian passport in 1995,
   using a false address in Sarajevo. After being deported by Canada in
   October 1998 and escorted to Sarajevo, he was allowed to stay without
   a valid passport. He obtained a new passport last June in Zenica, 35
   miles northwest of Sarajevo. He traveled to Istanbul, then returned to
   Sarajevo in late December before dropping out of sight.

   So far, complaints about the town by Western diplomats and
   international officials charged with resettling displaced Serbs have
   largely fallen on deaf ears in the Bosnian government, which is run by
   the same Muslim leaders who welcomed Islamic fighters during the war.

   Bosnian officials have said the former mujaheddin--who came here from
   Tunisia, Sudan, Algeria and Afghanistan, as well as Egypt and other
   Middle Eastern countries--obtained citizenship by marrying Bosnian
   women, many of them war widows. That made it hard to enforce the
   Dayton peace accord's December 1995 requirement that foreign fighters
   leave within 30 days.

   "They should have been gone long ago, but now we're stuck with them,"
   

[CTRL] About Richard Falk, Ph.D.

2000-03-11 Thread Jabr 333

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Listers:

To my knowledge, and I admit my scope is somewhat limited in terms of current
academia with regards to political science arenas, Richard Falk, Ph.D. --
formerly of Princeton U, is one of the greatest fore-runners of fighters and
exposers of atrosities committed against humanity and at the forefront as a
devoted scholar of human rights, he has also stepped forward to open up WHAT
the New World Order is truly about.  Mind control victims are part and parcel
of what he is writing about in his quite high brow language.  He may be hard
for those not versed in poli sci vocabulary to understand as he is a
political philosopher, but I feel he is a real darling that the mind control
community of victims needs to be much further aware of.  I put an article on
CTRL 2 years ago about Desert Storm, which had controversial discussions of
Israel v. Arabs, and it included Falk's quotes from his literally DOZENS of
anti-NWO books.  I had the fortunate opportunity to speak personally with him
three years ago via phone about EMF weapons and chemical warfare being used
on victims throughout the U.S. -- I asked him if he thought that these were
being used by govt agencies, etc., he said of course, but you can't talk
about it outright.  His work is devoted to opening up the mind control wars
and their ties with international organizations through LARGER world govts as
he believes must happen.  Falk is a visionary and with an international
scope.  Phenomenal amount of writing too -- and very costly books (upwards of
$100 each)-- but from fine academic presses.  SEE below, the list from
Amazon.com of Falk's works -- some in print, others still coming.  I
encourage list masters to see if they can find excerpts from his work to
include on the lists.  He is a gem amongst wolves...who could do damage, in
court, if victims could unite their injustices.  Judith





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[CTRL] Ban Chinese Products

2000-03-11 Thread Bill Richer

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Dear Friends:

Since President Bush was in office the flow of Chinese products to the USA
has been coming at a rapid rate.  Now President Clinton has sped up the rate
even greater.  It's becoming hard to find a good, reliable product any more.
They are all from China and they are junk most of the time.

The other part to this is that the good people making these products in China
are slave laborers in a communist country.  Why are our law makers allowing
this to happen.   I don't fully understand, but its not right.  They are
putting people who make good, reliable products out of business in the USA,
in order to bring in the junk from China.

Another thing is that China and its ally North Korea are building their
militaries up to a really high level.  China is threatening our ally Taiwan
and then threatening us with nuclear weapons, if we get in their way.  Well,
the only way they can do this is by us  buying their products, which they in
turn invest in their military budget.

So for God's sake, don't buy Chinese products!  Find out where a product is
made and if it's from China don't buy it!  And please pass this on to
everyone you know!  These are dangerous times and our government doesn't seem
to care about the safety of America.  So lets tell them what to do with their
Chinese products.  Let China set their people free, then we will buy their
products.  Right now we are giving money to a dictatorship that wants world
domination.  So please don't buy Chinese!

God Bless

Bill

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[CTRL] About Ban Chinese Products

2000-03-11 Thread Bill Richer

Sorry this email went out three times had problem with AOL.

God Bless
Bill



Dear Friends:

Since President Bush was in office the flow of Chinese products to the USA
has been coming at a rapid rate.  Now President Clinton has sped up the rate
even greater.  It's becoming hard to find a good, reliable product any more.
They are all from China and they are junk most of the time.

The other part to this is that the good people making these products in China
are slave laborers in a communist country.  Why are our law makers allowing
this to happen.   I don't fully understand, but its not right.  They are
putting people who make good, reliable products out of business in the USA,
in order to bring in the junk from China.

Another thing is that China and its ally North Korea are building their
militaries up to a really high level.  China is threatening our ally Taiwan
and then threatening us with nuclear weapons, if we get in their way.  Well,
the only way they can do this is by us  buying their products, which they in
turn invest in their military budget.

So for God's sake, don't buy Chinese products!  Find out where a product is
made and if it's from China don't buy it!  And please pass this on to
everyone you know!  These are dangerous times and our government doesn't seem
to care about the safety of America.  So lets tell them what to do with their
Chinese products.  Let China set their people free, then we will buy their
products.  Right now we are giving money to a dictatorship that wants world
domination.  So please don't buy Chinese!

God Bless

Bill




[CTRL] Fwd: THE EMAIL TAX IS COMING!

2000-03-11 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 03/11/2000 12:26:10 PM Central Standard Time, JCC21K
writes:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
UNLESS ENOUGH AMERICANS ARE WILLING TO
TEAR THEMSELVES AWAY FROM THE BOOBTUBE
LONG ENOUGH TO WRITE TO
THEIR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS
AND DEMAND THESE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES
FULFILL THEIR OATHS TO
"UPHOLD, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION",
 WE ARE NOT ONLY GOING TO LOSE THE 2ND AMENDMENT,
WE ARE GOING TO LOSE ALL RIGHTS AND
PERSONAL FREEDOMS.
  Regards to All,
 Nakano
___



RE: Stop the EMail Tax

Since nothing about the United States Constitution is taught
in Public Schools anymore, the following will come as a
surprise to most people.

The Constitution does not give government the power to
tax our income nor to tax the Internet or Email!
In fact, the only taxes which are lawful under the Constitution
are "commercial " taxes known as duties, imposts, and excises.

Impost  (definition)
"a tax, tribute, or duty; especially, a duty or tax laid
by goverment on goods imported into a country."

Excise tax  (definition)
"A Federal or state tax imposed on the manufacture and
distribution of certain non-essential consumer goods."

I have no objection to lawful taxes as set forth in our Constitution.
These are: "duties, imposts, and excise taxes"
"Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties,
imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and
general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises
shall be uniform throughout the United States; "

Notice that "income tax" is not among these powers.

During the first 130 or so years of this Republic, the government
normally ran a budget surplus.
It ran those surpluses when there was no income tax in this land.
Uncle Sam did a good job of taking care of his lawful duties and
responsibilities...and paid his bills with the revenues raised in
accordance with the Constitution.
Of course, Uncle also kept his activities and expenses within
the Constitution, so there was enough money to pay for that.

Now, what about this proposed "E-mail tax" and the various
schemes now being considered to tax the internet?
There are news stories about this every day.
All sorts of plans and proposals as to how to tax the net.
In all the rush and commotion, nobody has bothered to
check and see if such a tax or group of taxes would
be "lawful".

They wouldn't be!

Article I, Section 9.  (United States Constitution)
"No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state."

So, if you order anything from out-of-state via the internet,
and they ship it to you in another state,  it can't be lawfully taxed!
This seems simple enough.
Of course it isn't.

You must understand that just because it's unconstitutional
to tax it doesn't mean it won't happen.
The government doesn't care about what is,
or isn't, constitutional anymore.
Neither do most of the people.
This is why we have an income tax.
It's why the average working person in this country is forced
to pay about half of his or her income in taxes of various forms.
It's why there are endless government give-a-way schemes
doling out "free money" to an endless number of recipients.
It's why we have our military forces scattered all over the world
on UN "Peacekeeping " goose chases.
It's why large chunks of our country including our National Parks
and National Forrests are being designated as UN "Biospheres".

Franklin Roosevelt was the first president to really
use our Constitution as toilet paper.
Bill Clinton is only the most recent occupant of the White House
to keep hitting the flush handle.

Regards to All
 Nakano







Re: [CTRL] The Khazars

2000-03-11 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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/A -Cui Bono?-

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
 /A -Cui Bono?-

 Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
 
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  /A -Cui Bono?-
 
  Maybe we should ask Khazar University (It has a web site). The "Law of
  Return" is one of the Constitutional documents of Israel. If I remember
  correctly it emphasizes (Anti-Christ) Jewish religion and not biological
  race. I think it says if you have a Jewish mother you are considered to be
  a Jew (one criterion) but only if you haven't converted to another
  religion.

 This is right. So far so good Poley.

  I suppose some world religions are exempt in practice but not
  Christianity.

 Ah, this is the Poley I know and love. WRONG.

I SUPPOSED that one could, for example be a Taoist and a Jew. But I am
asking and since you are the expert what is the answer?

  Thus the Cohen written up in the local BC Christian News
  recently as a convert to Christianity is now excommunicated and does not
  have aliyeh rights. His biology hasn't changed.

 But he is no longer a Jew is he ?

Jews for Jesus said on Larry King recently that they were 100% Jewish and
100% Christian so it DEPENDS ON WHOSE OPINION YOU SOLICIT. Or are the
rabbis of New Khazaria (Israel) saying they have papal infallibility with
respect to their ecommunications?

 The right of return is only for Jews
 in the Jewish State. This isn't too difficult to comprehend is it?

It is very clear as long as there is no controversy as to which
self-professed Jews are the REAL McCOYS, so to speak.

  These Jews for Jesus are
  Pro-Christ Jews by their self-description but they are rejected by the
  Anti-Christ Jews.

 Jews for Jesus ARE NOT JEWS. They are Christians by definition. They
 believe that Jesus is god. This is ONLY a Christian belief.

But THEIR definition does not prevent them from also being Christians. Why
is your definition the only right one?

  This is because the teachings of Christ are regarded
  as BLASPHEMY by the Israeli Establishment.

 Ah, now we get into Poleyisms. Fasten your seat belts we are leaving
 reality.

Why do you think the Sanhedrin was party to the crucifixion of Christ
2,000 years ago? The crime was BLASPHEMY...that man could say that God
spoke through him.

 The Israeli Establishment is non religious and doesn't give a shit
 about the teachings of Christ.

If that were true they would have no difficuly with "Jews for Jesus".

 They do however fund and execute many
 archaeological projects and studies which focus on first century
 Jewish history in Judea and especially around Jerusalem. They are
 particularly interested in a group of revolutionary Jews known as The
 Poor. This group was headed by a devout Jewish leader named Yeshua who
 was crucified by the Romans for insurrection.

And the Sanhedrin had no part in this?

 After his death, the movement was led by his brother James, and his
 chief disciple " Peter " who was a known revolutionary.

  "God CANNOT be manifested in a
  human being" is the succint explanation I think.

 That is correct. It's called idolatry and is forbidden by Jewish and
 Muslim law.

Now you agree with my reasoning which you disagreed with above. Praise da
lo'd! You have seen da' light!

  However, I have yet to
  encounter a rabbi on the Internet who could defend such a theology.

 It is what it is and doesn't need to be defended. Deification of
 humans
 is purely pagan. Paul of Tarsus deified his version of Jesus for the
 pagans so that they could worship something "new" but still within a
 context which they understood. Hence the Jewish Jesus became the pagan
 Christ, a human deity.

Are Christians today PAGANS?

  If you
  find one put him on.
  FWP.

 Here I am baby.

 " Rabbi " J2

Hallelujah!!! When are you going to start with setting the matter
straight?
FWP.

 
  On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, William Shannon wrote:
 
   -Caveat Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
   /A -Cui Bono?-
  
   By: Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal
  
  
   Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal, historian, journalist and lecturer, is a graduate
   of Cornell University and Columbia Law School. During the Second World War,
   he served with the US Army in the Middle East. He later served with the
   Department of State, and as a consultant to the American delegation at the
   organising meeting of the United Nations in San Francisco.
  
   Since 1947, he has been at the forefront in the struggle for a balanced US
   policy in the Middle East. He is the author of several acclaimed books on the
   Middle East, including The Zionist Connection. He now lives in Washington, DC.
  
   On December 18, 1993 Dr. Lilienthal celebrated both his 80th birthday and the
   40th anniversary of his first book, What Price 'Israel'? Dr Lilienthal, who
   is a courageous anti-Zionist Jew, was joined by more than 200 guests who
   travelled from all over the United States to 

[CTRL] The Real Purpose of The 2nd Amendment

2000-03-11 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Our Constitution does not say we have the right to hunt.
It clearly states we have the right to be armed.
There is a difference.
   Regards to All
  Nakano
___

"The time has come for us to openly discuss something that
up to this time we have mainly whispered about.
The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to threaten the government.
The framers of our Constitution knew that government is a
necessary evil, which, as in the case of the British government,
could easily become more evil than necessary.
The Founding Fathers wanted to ensure that should that situation
again come to pass, the American people would have the capability
to reclaim their country by force of arms."

-- Lt. Harry Thomas, Cincinnati Police Division



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Re: [CTRL] The Khazars

2000-03-11 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, William Shannon wrote:

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 In a message dated 3/10/00 7:37:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  DNA testing on Cohanim has established three clear markers. 

 Do tell Nessie!

Markers of what? What three markers? So what? How do they link back to the
priesthood of Moses and Aaron?
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] Doctor Ford, Murder, Buried Cylinders the CIA

2000-03-11 Thread tenebroust

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This is a really bizarre tale.  One, I'm sure that will be neatly wrapped up by the 
"authorities".  They will, no doubt, tell us that this Doctor was a right wing 
nut-case, his relationship with the CIA will be blown over, and the stuff in the pipes 
in the yard will NOT be biological, but "run-of-the-mill" explosives and such.  We can 
all rest easy. . .




On Sat, 11 March 2000, The Extremist wrote:


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 /A -Cui Bono?-

 Bizarre plot unfolds in California
 http://www.msnbc.com/news/380516.asp?cp1=1

 IRVINE, Calif., March 10 —  A doctor with mysterious containers
 buried in his yard killed himself out of fear he was being set up as a
 suspect in a failed “hit” on his partner, the man’s lawyer said Friday. It
 is just the latest twist in a bizarre plot playing out in a tony
 neighborhood in Southern California.

 ‘You really think this happens on the news, in other places, not here.
 Now, I find myself looking at my neighbors a little differently.’ —
 GLORIA SECORE,  Neighbor

 THE CASE has baffled residents of this $580,000-a-house
 community in the heart of Orange County, better known for its
 University of California campus and airport named after John Wayne
 than for crime. “This really has revealed a false sense of security for
 us. You really think this happens on the news, in other places. Not
 here,” said Gloria Secore. “Now, I find myself looking at my
 neighbors a little differently.”

 The neighbor who started all the fuss is Dr. Larry Ford, a medical
 researcher with ties to the CIA who committed suicide March 2, a
 day after police questioned him about the attempted murder of his
 business partner, James Patrick Riley, 58, of Newport Beach.

 In an interview with the Orange County Newschannel on Friday,
 Ford’s attorney, Bryan Card, the doctor left a suicide note about the
 shooting attack on Riley. “He indicated he thought he was ‘set up,’ ”
 Card said. “And he asked those left behind to prove it.” Card said the
 note did not elaborate on how Ford might have been set up or who
 would do it. He said Ford led a secret life his family did not know
 about.

 “The police informed Mrs. Ford that her husband had been working
 for the CIA for the last 20 years, among some other agencies. But,
 obviously, with his expertise in bacteria and things of that nature, they
 called upon him from time to time to help them,” Card said, adding
 that Ford worked on biological warfare.

 The story began to unfold nearly two weeks ago when a masked
 gunman dressed in black attacked Riley in the company parking lot of
 Biofem Pharmaceutical Inc., the company run by Riley and Ford. The
 gunman fired once, hitting Riley in the face. He was hospitalized for
 five days, then released.

 Almost immediately, police focused on Ford. The two men were
 trying to market a female contraceptive suppository they believed
 would also hinder the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. They
 believed the product would be worth millions.

 However, before police could question Ford, he committed suicide.
 Police have since arrested Ford’s longtime friend Dino D’Saachs, 56,
 as the getaway driver in the botched hit on Riley. Police continued to
 search for the shooter.

 D’Saachs, who pleaded innocent to the charges on Monday, had
 known Ford for about 15 years and apparently had done Riley’s
 taxes and worked on cars for him. Police found the deed to Riley’s
 home in D’Saachs’ possession.

 When a family member tipped off police that Ford had buried
 weapons and biological materials in the yard, authorities ordered the
 evacuation of the neighborhood. More than 49 families were
 evacuated to a nearby hotel and a local elementary school was closed
 for the week. Pink “cleared” signs now hang on doors, garages and
 metal gates of the empty homes. Another 50 families were told to be
 ready to leave if necessary.

 On Friday police unearthed six canisters which had been buried
 vertically under a slab of concrete, KNBC-TV reports. Described as
 10-inch-wide PVC pipes with caps on the ends, the containers were
 carefully lifted out of the ground by a bomb squad robot, then taken
 away to be opened under controlled conditions.

 An X-ray scan done at the site showed pipes contain items made of
 metal and what authorities suspect are explosive materials, police
 sources told KNBC. Additionally, a search of the house yielded
 thousands of rounds of rifle ammunition hidden beneath a trap door
 — including illegal belted machine gun rounds, police said. Although
 Ford owned several rifles and shotguns, no illegal weapons were
 found.

snip

"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, in The Matrix

"My God it's full of stars!"  Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space
Odyssey


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[CTRL] American Lung Association objects to Brown Williamson's phone message message

2000-03-11 Thread Steve Wingate

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American Lung Association objects to Brown  Williamson's phone
message

 Copyright © 2000 Nando Media
 Copyright © 2000 Associated Press


By SKIP WOLLENBERG

NEW YORK (March 11, 2000 2:21 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -
Callers to a consumer hot line for Lucky Strike Filters will hear a folksy
chorus urging teens not to smoke. Then they're invited to press a button for
directions to the nearest tobacco shop.

Brown  Williamson Tobacco Corp. says the song is intended to put a
smile on its customers' faces, but tobacco foes aren't laughing.

"It tells you how insensitive they are," said John Garrison, chief executive of
the American Lung Association.

Garrison said the message "trivializes a very serious problem - there is no
joke here with kids starting to smoke." It may even encourage young
people to start smoking by appealing to their rebellious inclinations, he
said.

The message has been on the hot line for about three weeks, according to
company spokesman Mark Smith, and is the latest in a series of offbeat
greetings that the nation's third-biggest tobacco concern has left for callers
over the past two years.

In September, those dialing the number heard a male voice say the
company loves them and that its rivals "hate you and think you're ugly."

Smith said the idea for the unusual messages came from workers who
answer consumer calls.

"This message is an attempt to just have some fun and show we don't take
ourselves too seriously," Smith said. The recordings purposely fail to
mention a brand name and are not intended as a commercial, Smith said.

In the latest message, a woman's voice greets the caller and introduces a
chorus that sings a jaunty tune about the tobacco plant.

"Oh, the tobacco plant is a lovely plant, its leaves so broad and green. But
you shouldn't think about the tobacco plant if you're still a teen," it goes.

"'Cause tobacco is a big person's plant, and that's the way it should be. So
if you're under 21, go and climb a tree."

When the song ends, the woman's voice tells customers that if they can
write a better song about the tobacco plant, the company would use it.

Callers are then told to "Press 1 to find select stores in your area" or 2 for
any other information.

Smith said it is "a huge stretch to say that we are in any way encouraging
kids to smoke with this. Have you ever heard them listen to that kind of
music by an old-fashioned kind of folk group?"

He said if callers want information on how to get a specific product, they
are asked first for their birth date and those who hesitate are cut off.


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Re: [CTRL] THE UN WANTS OUR GUNS!

2000-03-11 Thread Jeff Sandlin

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I`ve assumed they would just ignore the Second Amendment and just outlaw
guns and force people to break the law or give up their guns for
sometime. Should
drive prices up on the black market. Maybe someone should explain to the
sheople why it is they only want criminals to have guns. When people
live in enough fear they will tolerate almost anything to have"order"
restored. Welcome to the New World Order.

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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

2000-03-11 Thread Jeff Sandlin

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J2, in your case I`ll give up being polite. Your too stupid to respond
too.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women

2000-03-11 Thread Jeff Sandlin

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I believe Klinton is guilty of much worse things than rape. However,
saying bad things about him is obviouly dangerous. Welcome to Amerika.

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[CTRL] vaccines/autism

2000-03-11 Thread Dave

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"Autistic children...caused by vaccine...? A report by Dr. Harold Buttram, a
practicing physician in Quakertown, Pa., suggests the recent increase in the
number of autistic children could be caused by the combination measles,
mumps an rubella, or MMR, vaccine routinely given to children at age 18
months." This World Daily Net article by Julie Foster is posted at
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_fosterj_news/2306_xnfoj_vaccine_li.
shtml


Dave Hartley
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 Vaccine linked to autism?
New report points to
dangers of MMR immunization




By Julie Foster
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

A new report by Dr. Harold Buttram,
http://www.woodmed.com/WhoIsDrB.htm
a practicing physician in Quakertown, Pa., suggests the recent increase in
the number of autistic children could be caused by the combination measles,
mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine routinely given to children at age 18
months -- a phenomenon the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim
is highly unlikely.
In a past study of autistic children, researchers found that 84 percent of
the children had antibodies against a certain type of brain tissue,
indicating that the immune system was destroying brain cells. The
researchers also found the brain tissue antibody to be very similar to the
antibody that's formed against the MMR vaccine. Additionally, MMR antibody
was found in 59 percent of the autistic children compared to 10 percent in
normal children.

Buttram also noted some experts believe certain childhood illnesses
including measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox are a necessary and
helpful step in strengthening the immune system. Because the vaccines are
given by injection, the immune response of the mucous membranes, through
which these diseases enter the body, is not challenged and strengthened.
Those who support the theory also attribute the use of vaccines to the great
increase in cases of asthma and eczema, both of which are diseases of the
mucous membranes.

Buttram was quick to point out that measles and other diseases may result in
complications that cause brain injury. Therefore, physicians and government
officials may be choosing between the lesser of two evils.

"It is true that there may be situations where extreme measures may be
justified, as the lesser of two evils, to preserve life and health," Buttram
wrote. "The basic question, therefore, is whether the benefits of current
childhood vaccines outweigh the harm, or whether the reverse is true."

The incidence of autism in California increased 273 percent from 1987 to
1998, and a growing number of medical professionals are questioning the
FDA's vaccine safety tests.

"A small but growing minority of physicians and scientists are becoming
aware that safety testing for the various vaccines has been woefully
inadequate," Buttram wrote.

He cited a 1994 National Academy of Sciences review of the safety of the
hepatitis B vaccine. The review was done to investigate five possible
adverse effects of the vaccine. However, conclusions could not be made about
four of the effects due to a lack of enough research.

Dr. Bernard Rimland, founder and director of the Autism Research Institute
in San Diego, Calif.,
http://www.autism.com/ari/
told DiscoveryHealth.com, "There are no data on the triple vaccines."

When the institute opened in 1967, Rimland noticed that a number of parents
had mentioned that the diptheria, pertussin and tetanus, or DPT, vaccine
seemed to have an adverse effect on their children.

"In the late '70s and early '80s, we began hearing the same thing about
MMR," he said.

Rimland pointed out that triple vaccines can put additional stress on the
body. A person's immune system usually deals with one virus at a time.
Combining the individual measles, mumps and rubella vaccines into one
package results in a much more dangerous vaccine, he said.

Rimland also noted that doctors can report adverse effects of vaccines
through the Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System, which is mandated by
the Food and Drug Administration. However, the VAERS is a voluntary program.
According to the FDA, between 90 and 99 percent of adverse effects resulting
from vaccinations go unreported.

"The physician has been taught repeatedly that these vaccines are perfectly
safe and that any event that is supposedly associated with them is just a
coincidence," Rimland remarked.

He also cited possible malpractice suits, added paperwork and the lack of a
penalty as reasons why doctors do not report these occurrences.

In an exclusive WorldNetDaily interview, Jane Orient, M.D., executive
director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons,
http://www.aapsonline.org/aaps/
said she believes an autism-MMR vaccine link should be 

Re: [CTRL] Impact Events Shaped Rise Of Civilization

2000-03-11 Thread ThePiedPiper

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Impact events or the bacteria that the meteorites
carried with them?

With (live frozen) bacteria a part of most if not every
meteorite I am speculating that rouge bacteria, evolution
is a part of what has caused changes.
With the speculation that petrochemicals are not
fossil fuels but a by product of bacteria.
If petrochemicals are a by product of bacteria.
and could have bacteria intelligence,
the brain is a energy source
petrochemicals are a energy source
hydrogen is a energy source
* if that bacteria wants to survive
and has empathy how would they do it?
How would you take over humans?
How about having them take themselves over?
Be controlled by implanted chips where all you
need to control is the controllers...
The controllers have the DNA source codes but do they have
the bacteria that has kept those DNA source codes alive.
Consider fat is a crucial component***
Dinosaurs had to be able to utilize fat,
metabolize fat better than humans do.
Example: think of the amount of food that an
Elephant needs per day.
Now think about how much a dinosaur would
need if it were as inefficient as a Elephant.
But your going to say that the dinosaur had
longer intestines or maybe more than one
stomach, did it or was that all they had
going for them?

Earth has gone from dinosaurs to large animals
(mastodons) to humans will ants be the next
evolutionary step.
(c)The Pied Piper 11March2000




Subject: We are in for a wild ride - to death NWO and WTO
   Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:59:35 -0600
   From: ThePiedPiper [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women
   Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:55:29 -0600
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DIG alfred webre wrote:

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  http://www.spacer.com/spacecast/news/deepimpact-00a.html 

 COPIED FROM: SPACEDAILY on line - March 7, 2000

 Impact Events Shaped Rise Of Civilization

 Liverpool - March 7, 2000 - In a presentation to the Annual Meeting of the
 American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), Dr Benny Peiser
 of Liverpool John Moores University, presented new evidence suggesting that
 more than 500 impact events of extraterrestrial orgin have punctuated Earth
 during the last 10,000 years.
 The great majority (70%) of these events have been of the Tunguska-type
 class of atmospheric impacts with an average energy yield of between 20 and
 100 Mt TNT. However, more than 100 surface impacts, including more than a
 dozen oceanic impacts, are believed to have repeatedly devasted whole
 regions, small countries and early civilisations around the globe.

 In a worst case estimate, Dr Peiser said that up to eight climatic downturns
 detectable in the geological and climatological records of the Holocene may
 be directly associated with multiple impact events.

 "Episodes of increased cometary or meteoric activity punctuating societal
 evolution should be looked upon as potential agencies determining the rise
 and fall of ancient civilisations.

 Both the emergence and the collapse of human cultures, the
 Pleistocene-Holocene transition and the Neolithic Revolution, the onset and
 collapse of the Bronze Age civilisations, and even the collapse of the Roman
 Empire may be associated with episodes of increased cosmic activity and
 multiple impacts that may well have included incidents of cosmic dust
 loading."

 While most of these impacts occurred over unpopulated areas of the globe,
 there are historical accounts about devastating cosmic catastrophes.
 According to a number of Chinese records, about 10,000 people were killed in
 the city of Chi'ing-yang in 1490 AD due to the break-up of a small asteroid.

 About a dozen hypervelocity impact craters that date from the Holocene
 period (i.e. since the end of the ice age) have been discovered to date. The
 majority of impacts, however, that occurred during this crucial period of
 societal evolution have not been detected yet.

 According to Dr Peiser, "the 14 known Holocene impact craters most certainly
 paint a rather deceptive picture of our past. The fact that no massive
 impact crater dating to the Holocene has been detected, has led to the
 belief that no hemispheric or global impact disaster can possibly have
 happened. However, this is a widespread delusion."

 Yet there still is a regretable lack of interest by the scientific community
 to scrutinise the Holocene for major impact events.

 "The widespread ignorance of such cosmic disasters in historical time is due
 to the limited research focus on crater producing events. Yet only 3% of
 fatal impacts produce a hypervelocity surface crater on land", Dr Peiser
 points out.

 Tunguska-like impacts or "Super-Tunguskas" are thus taken out of the
 equation. Due to their catastrophic detonation above ground (or in the
 oceans), they often leave no obvious fingerprints behind.

 Dr 

[CTRL] child pronography Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno would curb press freedom on line

2000-03-11 Thread ThePiedPiper

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the tail is wagging the dog here

How to define child pronography?
Who owns the copyright
consider the nude pictures of
Dr. Laura
HTTP://celebrityerotic.about.com/people/adult/celebrityerotic/library/weekly/aa110198.htm?LETMEIN=YES

parents have studio pictures of their
children in wash tubs
So should it be defined by owner of the copyright
BUT some countries have people as (what amounts to) slaves
Slaves can be made to sign contracts and still not
want too.

Also with a thin person that does not have the fat
for neuralogical (nerves and brain) function -
the body moves but how many higher brain functions
do some of those porno actresses and actors still have
expessally the ones that look so slim
how much body fat do they have
So they can walk but can they think?

So, is sex a art or a sport?
The Pied Piper



Kathleen wrote:

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 http://www.theregister.co.uk/000309-11.html

 Posted 09/03/2000 12:23pm by Thomas C. Greene in Washington
 Janet Reno would curb press freedom on line
 Constitutional protections of the press are getting in the way of
 cyber-crime prosecutions and may have to be reconsidered, a
 White House committee chaired by US Attorney General Janet
 Reno believes.
 "With the advent of the Internet and widespread computer use,
 almost any computer can be used to 'publish' material. As a result,
 the [Privacy Protection Act of 1980 (PPA)] may now apply to
 almost any search of any computer," the committee's report
 laments.
 The act in question protects the freedom of American journalists,
 scholars and writers to publish freely by prohibiting all law
 enforcement agencies from searching for or seizing "any work
 product materials" or any related "documentary
 materialspossessed by a personwith a purpose to
 disseminate to the public a newspaper, book, broadcast, or other
 similar form of public communication," [42 U.S.C. §2000aa].
 Under those circumstances, the Feds would be forced to find some
 gizmo or technique to copy only those portions of a suspect
 journalist's hard disk which might pertain to a crime, and do it
 without interrupting the work in progress; or, failing that, rely on the
 suspect himself to turn over the relevant files.
 It's a formidable technical challenge, as the Feds must not seize,
 or even examine, data meant for publication, and its supporting,
 documentary information such as notes, transcripts and related
 research materials.
 The Reno Department of Justice (DoJ) apparently finds this an
 intolerable burden, especially while the precious life of an innocent
 child kidnapped by rogue chemistry professors could hang in the
 balance.
 "Because computers now commonly contain enormous data
 storage devices, wrongdoers can use them to store material for
 publication that the PPA protects while simultaneously storing
 child pornography, stolen classified documents, or other
 contraband or evidence of crime," the report warns.
 We may joke about rogue professors, but we're only covering up
 the chill we feel in contemplating the way Internet superstition and
 Reno's relentless child-protective hype might give the Feds the
 excuse they've been waiting for to do an end-run around the PPA.
 It appears that this is exactly what Reno has in mind. "Features of
 the Internet that make it different from prior technologies may
 justify the need for changes in laws and procedures that govern the
 detection and investigation of computer crimes," the committee
 notes ominously.
 The committee's report, "The Electronic Frontier: The Challenge of
 Unlawful Conduct Involving the Use of the Internet" is due to be
 released in final form this month. A draft copy obtained by Wired
 News is available on line here.
 It's a disturbing read. ®

 --
 Kathleen

 "One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only 
nine lives." --Mark Twain



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Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually
you will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you -
 start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
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those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
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Re: [CTRL] Amorality Nature (was: Scientists justify Clintoon's...

2000-03-11 Thread ThePiedPiper

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 Nurev Ind Research wrote:
 
  Sounds like Christian theology to me.
  There is no such thing as good or evil in the natural world.
  It is purely a human construct, and a random one at that.

 --
 from:
 "The Moral Maze" by desertrat
 http://www.geocities.com/golwis/mmaze5.htm
 --

 Part 5. The Deserted Island
 Continuation from #4:

 ...You live on a deserted island, let's make it a
 tropical paradise. You have a bunch of jetsom and
 flotsom, gardening and construction tools, fishing
 gear, guns, ammunition and an odd assortment of camping
 gear. Other than this you are completely alone with the
 plants and wild animals. At first, while you're
 preparing to plant your garden, you wander around
 hunting and gathering whatever you can find that's
 edible, robbing the caches of squirrels and birds'
 nests whenever you can find them. Is there anything
 "immoral" about this? While You're out gathering, a
 jaguar attacks you. Is the jaguar acting "immorally?"
 In your own defense, you manage to kill the animal. You
 take advantage of the kill by skinning and tanning the
 hide and preserving the meat for later use as emergency
 food or bait. Is this "good," "bad?" You return to your
 camp and garden and notice that while you were out
 gathering coconuts and killing jaguars that were
 attacking you, a gopher or rabbit and a bunch of damn
 tropical birds have been stealing from your garden.
 Were they behaving "immorally?" You set some traps out
 and try to discourage the birds from robbing you,
 killing a few in the process. Let's say, you could have
 used the dead bodies but just didn't feel like it so
 you threw them away somewhere downwind of your camp for
 some other wild animals to find. Are you a "bad" person
 for wasting the bodies or for polluting the area
 downwind of your camp?


my commentary
survival index of the human
how do we keep from being too agressive or too
passive


 *** Commentary ***
 This is an amoral scenario. There is no moral or
 immoral about any of this. There is only the law of
 survival, the rule of success or failure. Not even the
 cliche "might makes right" applies because there is no
 objective "right" and "wrong." There is only success or
 failure with luck or fate playing a role perhaps larger
 than any of us is willing to imagine. You're lucky you
 didn't wash up on an island inhabited by more fearsome
 predators or more numerous and persistent parasites.
 You might have been eaten by a crocodile or a hungry
 lion, you might have been eaten alive by flies or ants.
 All the moral protests in the world can do nothing to
 save you in an amoral environment. But man has a
 "moral" sense, (morality is at best, an illusion,) so
 he naturally describes things in moral terms regardless
 of its amoral nature. The sunset is "good," the leaking
 roof is "bad," the taste of the coconut is "good,"
 robbing a bird's nest is "good," killing a defenseless
 baby bird is "bad," and so on. All such reasoning is
 subjective, illusory, often delusional. The only guide
 are one's emotions, not one's reason. Happiness, which
 is the highest prize, is, after all, an emotion. What
 makes the individual happy is for him "good." What
 causes unhappiness is for him "bad."


the bacteria that made us
eats or is eaten
lives because there is a diversity
But some say that we are too evolved for
agression or that they can have monoploly and not
worry about keeping a diversity of animals, plants and
humans.  Without the diversity of bacteria that keep us
alive will we live?



 *** The Story Continues ***
 One day, there is a new arrival on the island. Another
 human washes up on the beach. When your new companion
 has recovered somewhat from exposure he wanders the
 island and happens upon your camp. He immediately
 demands that you provide him with food and shelter
 since it is apparent that you have more than you need.
 You're a bit surprised by his unfriendly manner and
 refuse telling him to go gather some food the way you
 did and to start his own garden. You aren't entirely
 without compassion. You feel morally compelled to give
 him a coconut or two because he's hungry, this would be
 a very natural thing to do under the circumstances, I
 think. You give him one of the jaguar skins you've
 tanned because he's cold, you have more than you really
 need and you want him to go away and leave you alone.
 Secretly, of course, you're cursing at yourself because
 you've already killed the jaguars that he would likely
 have fallen prey to. He becomes very angry when you
 tell him to go away and he storms off. That night 

[CTRL] [Fwd: maybe your LAST chance to stop this!]

2000-03-11 Thread Bard

.far and wide!!

Bard


Folksthere is a copy of this proposed law at the site URL below This law
could be the end of the 2nd
Amendment. Once the IRS has authority to enforce gun registration...there
will be NO recourse. You MUST try and stop this bill now, or kiss your 2nd
Amendment rights goodbye!
Please, use the power of the internet to raise such an outcry that these
spineless whimps in Washington CANNOT refuse to hear and obey!
GO here and see it for yourself.

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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:10 AM
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 From: Karl Kleinpaste [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 FYI.
 http://thomas.loc.gov/
 Mumble "S2099" in the "By Bill Number" field and swat Search.

 If this passes both houses, I figure we've got 1 year until the
 shooting starts, because that's the deadline for compliance with this
 bill's intended requirements.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
February 24, 2000
  Mr. REED introduced the following bill; which was read twice and
  referred to the Committee on Finance
  A BILL
  To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration
  of handguns, and for other purposes.

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[CTRL] Pakistani women fight growing scandal of wife burnings

2000-03-11 Thread DIG alfred webre

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 London Telegraph 3/12/00:
  Pakistani women fight growing scandal of wife burnings
By Christina Lamb

  HUNDREDS of Pakistani women are being burnt to death every year by their
husbands or in-laws in an upsurge of so-called "stove-burst" attacks.
"It's the easiest way for a husband to get rid of a wife he no longer wants,"
said Shahnaz Bukhari, the head of the Progressive Women's Association (PWA),
an organisation striving to help survivors and alert the public. "There are
no gunshots; no fingerprints. All the husband has to say is that the wife was
cooking in the kitchen when the edge of her dupatta [scarf] fell in the stove
and caught fire."

Figures compiled by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan show that the
practice is increasing. This may be due in part to the country's economic
woes. Men who might previously have taken a second wife now kill the first
because they cannot afford to maintain both.

At least four women are said to be murdered every day by husbands or in-laws
dousing them with paraffin. In Rawalpindi, about 40 women are admitted to
hospital each month, often with as much as 90 per cent burns. "This is just
the tip of the iceberg," said Mrs Bukhari. Most victims die. Pakistan has no
specialist burns units, apart from a small private one, and hospital hygiene
is often poor.

One of the few survivors is Sabira Khan. Married at 16, she was told by her
36-year-old husband that she would not be allowed contact with her own
family. For two years, he beat her and kept her prisoner in the house in
Jhelum where he lived with his family, until one day her mother arrived,
insisting on seeing her.

The husband and mother-in-law ejected the mother and then beat Sabira, who
was three months pregnant, and set her alight. Outside, her mother heard her
screams and, with the help of neighbours, managed to rescue her. Sabira
suffered 60 per cent burns. Her chin had fused to her chest. She still bears
the scars. "Being burnt for such small reasons makes us feel we are not
considered as human beings, but as objects which can be broken and replaced,"
said Sabira, her face half-hidden under a veil.

For survivors such as Sabira, it is hard to re-enter society, not just
because of their disfigurement, but the shame of being cast out by their
husbands. Their own families often refuse to take them back because it would
make it hard for them to marry off other daughters. Many attacks stem from
arguments over money, or a row between a wife and mother-in-law. Also common
are "honour killings" when a man catches his wife talking to another man.

Even wealthy, educated women can fall victim to such attacks. Irene Gill grew
up in America and held a master's degree in chemistry. She was sent to
Pakistan to marry a distant cousin in an arranged marriage. She soon found
herself treated like a servant. When she was pregnant for a third time, her
mother-in-law insisted that the baby be given to her sister-in-law who was
childless. When Irene refused, her in-laws set her on fire. She died in
hospital.

Despite often overwhelming evidence, the PWA has secured convictions in
barely one per cent of cases. Attackers usually say the fire was a stove
accident. In Sabira's case, her husband argued that she was insane and set
fire to herself. He walked free. In Irene's case, her in-laws claimed that
she was warming milk and the gas exploded. Her case never came to court.

Last week, the PWA and several human rights groups, launched a campaign to
press the military government to introduce legislation to make domestic
violence a recognised crime. Mrs Bukhari has also set up a shelter in
Rawalpindi where Sabira and other survivors live. But such efforts have
earned Mrs Bukhari enemies in a society where a women's place is very much
second-class. Critics have branded her a terrorist. "While the rest of the
world is moving forwards we are going backwards to the stone age," she said.

Some help is being provided by a team of British doctors from Interplast, a
Middlesbrough-based charity, which recently began regular missions to carry
out reconstructive surgery. Charles Viva, a retired plastic surgeon, said he
was horrified by what they found. "Entering a Pakistani hospital is like
going back 70 years," he said. "Patients are often lying on the floor. Anyone
with 30 or 40 per cent burns or more is not treated because they are expected
to die. It's shocking to see all these pretty young girls damaged by burns."

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[CTRL] UK:The rich get richer faster than ever

2000-03-11 Thread DIG alfred webre

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The rich get richer faster than ever
London Times 3/12/00
John Harlow and David Smith

BRITAIN'S richest people have experienced the biggest-ever rise in their
wealth, according to the Sunday Times Rich List.
Driven by the "new economy" of internet and computer entrepreneurs, the
wealth of those at the top of the financial tree has increased at an
unprecedented rate.

The 12th annual Rich List, to be published next Sunday, will show that the
collective worth of the country's richest 1,000 people reached nearly £146
billion by January, the cut-off point for the survey. This represented an
increase of £31 billion, or 27%, in just 12 months.

Since the survey was compiled, Britain's richest have added billions more to
their wealth, thanks to the continuing boom in technology shares on the stock
market. This has pushed up the total value of the wealth of the richest 1,000
to a probable £160 billion according to Dr Philip Beresford, Britain's
acknowledged expert on personal wealth who compiles the Sunday Times Rich
List.

The millennium boom exceeds anything in Britain's economic history, including
the railway boom of the 1840s and the South Sea bubble of 1720. "It has made
Margaret Thatcher's boom seem as sluggish as Edward Heath's three-day week,"
said Beresford. "We are seeing billions being added to the national wealth
every week."

William Rubinstein, professor of modern history at the University of Wales,
Aberystwyth, confirmed that the growth in wealth was unprecedented. "Almost
all of today's wealth has been created since the industrial revolution, but
even by those heady standards the current boom is extraordinary," he said.

"There is no large-scale cultural opposition or guilt about making money. In
many ways British business attitudes can now challenge the United States."

Although Britain's richest are experiencing the sharpest surge in wealth, the
rest of the population has also benefited from the stock market boom and
rising house prices. Last year wealth rose by 16% to a record £4,267 billion,
according to calculations by the investment bank Salomon Smith Barney. In
real terms, wealth has increased by more than a third since the late 1980s.

Much of the wealth of the richest is held in shares in start-up companies.
Some of these paper fortunes, analysts agree, could easily be wiped out,
although the wealth-generating effects of the internet revolution seem to be
here to stay.

New economy entrepreneurs are to be found in all parts of Britain, but the
City is a particular beneficiary of the stock market's internet boom. The
number of those earning more than £1m a year in salaries and bonuses has
risen to 3,000 from 750 five years ago.

A Sunday Times Young Rich List, published today, confirms that people are
becoming wealthier younger. It includes the 60 richest millionaires aged 30
or under. At the top, on £600m, is the "old money" Earl of Iveagh, 30, head
of the Guinness brewing family. In second place is Charles Nasser, also 30,
who launched the ClaraNET internet provider four years ago and is worth
£300m. The remaining eight in the top 10 young millionaires made their money
from computing and the internet.

The richest woman is Avneet Sahni, 29, who runs the Manchester-based VIP
Computer Centre with her husband Jatti and is worth £50m. Martha Lane Fox,
27, of lastminute.com, is 15th equal in the list.

David and Victoria Beckham, jointly worth £25m, are 18th equal alongside
boxer Naseem Hamed. The youngest millionaire is the singer Charlotte Church,
14, who is worth £10m.

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[CTRL] Fresh evidence could date Turin shroud to Christ

2000-03-11 Thread DIG alfred webre

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 London Times: 3/12/00
Image:http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/03/12/stifgneur03010.h
tml

Fresh evidence could date Turin shroud to Christ
John Follain, Rome

A SWISS scientist claims to have found new evidence suggesting that the Turin
shroud, the venerated relic dismissed a decade ago as a medieval fake, might
be genuine after all.
Carbon dating tests carried out in 1988 indicated that the shroud, revered by
many Christians as the winding-sheet in which the body of Christ was wrapped
for burial, had been made between 1260 and 1390.

However, Mechthild Flury Lemberg, a leading authority on the history of
textiles who helped to restore the relic, said last week that she had found a
strong similarity between the shroud and fragments of cloth produced in the
Middle East about 2,000 years ago. Her claim prompted demands for the Vatican
to order new tests.

In a report presented to a conference organised by the Catholic church,
Lemberg likened stitching on both hems of the shroud and on a lengthy seam
down one side to that on cloth found in the ruins of Masada, a mountain
stronghold overlooking the Dead Sea and Jordan. These have been dated at
between 40BC and AD73.

"The seam is very well done, in such a way that you can only see it on the
reverse side of the cloth," said Lemberg, a former curator of the Abegg
Foundation textile museum in Switzerland.

"In my opinion, the shroud is not a medieval fake. The parallels I have found
indicate that it could have existed at the same time as Jesus Christ and in
what is now Israel."

Believers and non-believers alike have long been fascinated by the origins of
the cloth, which bears the ghostly imprint of a bearded, long-haired man with
markings that correspond to the stigmata.

Pressure for a new carbon-14 dating test has grown since Israeli scientists
claimed last year that the most common pollen found on it comes from a plant
that could have been used to weave the crown of thorns placed on Christ's
head. The plant, described in the Bible as tumbleweed, grows only in the
Middle East.

"Scientists have been divided on the value of carbon-testing ever since the
first test was carried out," said Ian Wilson, author of several books on the
shroud and one of the experts summoned by the church. "But the Masada and
pollen studies have helped build a new consensus in favour of a fresh test."

It is up to the Vatican to decide whether to go ahead. Although it has yet to
respond officially to Lemberg's analysis, church organisers made her paper
the first to be heard at the conference in Turin, where the shroud is kept.

The first documented display of a burial shroud bearing the features of
Christ dates back to 1389 after Geoffroi de Charnay, a French knight, wrote
to Clement VII, the Avignon anti-pope, to tell him of the cloth he had
inherited from his father.

The shroud will go on public display in a bullet-proof case from August to
October as part of the church's celebrations of the 2,000th birthday of
Christ. It is expected to attract more than 3m people.

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[CTRL] SNET: FBI Releases New Files

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FBI Adds New Subjects to Electronic Reading Room
  (Electronic versions of files on spies, politicians, authors) (2140)

  Suspected spies, gangsters, politicians, authors, and a group of
  student activists from the 1960s are among the latest subjects added
  to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Freedom of Information Act
  (FOIA) Electronic Reading Room, according to a February 25 FBI news
  release.

  These documents had been available in paper format for several years
  and now can be accessed electronically, the release said.

  Among the latest subjects for which investigative information is now
  available electronically:

  -- American POWs/MIAs in Southeast Asia

  -- Nathan Silvermaster, leader of a post-World War II Soviet espionage
  ring.

  -- Ernst Franz Sedwick (Putzi) Hanfstangl aka Ernest Sedgwick, an
  author and intimate friend of Adolph Hitler who served as Hitler's
  Nazi Press Chief.

  -- Carlo Tresca, Italian political refugee and author who organized
  labor strikes across the United States through the International
  Workers of the World (IWW) beginning in 1912.

  -- Al Capone, the notorious gangster who conducted his illegal
  enterprises in Chicago during the 1920's.

  -- The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), which was
  created in 1960 as a nonviolent civil rights movement primarily
  devoted to voter-registration campaigns in the South.

  -- Thomas Mann, German author, Nobel Prize winner in literature, and
  naturalized American citizen.

  -- Abbie Hoffman, 1960s and 70s activist, anarchist, and co-founder of
  the Youth International Party (YIP a.k.a. Yippies) and one of the
  "Chicago Seven."

  -- Dr. Wilhelm Reich, a German immigrant who described himself as the
  Associate Professor of Medical Psychology, Director of the Orgone
  Institute.

  The index to the paper format documents in the FOIA Reading Room is
  now available at the FBI's web site and, as additional documents are
  converted to an electronic format, they will be added to the
  Electronic Reading Room. Viewers may select records at
  http://www.fbi.gov.

  Following is the text of the FBI press release:

  (begin text)

  Federal Bureau of Investigation
  Washington D.C.
  February 25, 2000

  The Federal Bureau of Investigation announced today that it has added
  several new subject matters to the Historical Interest, Famous
  Persons, Espionage, and Gangster Era categories of its Freedom of
  Information Act (FOIA) Electronic Reading Room. The subjects listed
  below have been available in paper format for several years and now
  can be accessed electronically:

  HISTORICAL INTEREST

  -- American POWs/MIAs in Southeast Asia -- 4,888 pages

  In 1970-1973 the FBI investigated the Committee of Liaison with
  Families of Servicemen Detained in North Vietnam (COLIFAM), a U.S.
  antiwar group acting as "liaison" between POWs and their families. The
  group was alleged to be a vehicle of North Vietnamese propaganda whose
  activities were believed to be detrimental to the health and welfare
  of the prisoners held in North Vietnam. No information was developed
  warranting prosecution of COLIFAM for solicitation under the Foreign
  Agents Registration Act. In 1982, the FBI compiled information
  concerning American prisoners of war or American citizens in Viet Nam.
  In 1992, the FBI provided assistance to the Senate Select Committee on
  POW/MIA Affairs by furnishing information and/or performing
  investigations on behalf of the Committee on all facets of POW issues.

  -- Moorish Science Temple of America -- 3,117 pages

  The Moorish Science Temple of America was organized in 1913 in Newark,
  New Jersey. The Temple was investigated in 1953 for violation of the
  Selective Service Act of 1948 and sedition. Some members of the
  organization claimed to be conscientious objectors but professed they
  were not pacifists. In September of 1953, the Department of Justice
  concluded that prosecution for violation of the Selective Service Act
  was not warranted as the 

[CTRL] Mass Media On HAARP - part 1 of 3

2000-03-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/projects.html
More HAARP files here.

HAARP

Bold Articles From The Mass Media





Mass Media On HAARP - part 1 of 3

MORE BOLD ARTICLES FROM MASS MEDIA TELLING US ABOUT WEATHER WEAPON
TECHNOLOGY!

We review still more articles about the technology to control the weather.
You will be stunned to learn how prevalent it is today. We conclude with a
shocking United Nations pamphlet that ties weather control into their New
World Order Plan! Part 3 of 3.

The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this
New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you
will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!!

Learn how to protect yourself, your loved ones!

Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same
way again.

NEWS BRIEF: "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones"
by Chen May Yee,
Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal
Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.

"KULA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The
government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has
plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an
artificial cyclone to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister
for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of
new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as
typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out
of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the
plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a
memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to
produce the cyclone."

"Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or
the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that
the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to
disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't
have to pay if the project doesn't work."

This article is written by the prestigious Wall Street Journal, and it
reports, very matter of factly, that Malaysia is ordering a cyclone just as
someone might order some lawn furniture from a catalog! We also learned that
the Russians have the capability of creating such a huge storm for a fee.
Also unsaid, but inferred, is that this cyclone could be steered or
controlled so that it would come close enough to Malaysia to clear away the
haze that was bedeviling that nation, but not so close it would cause any
damage. Further, the nations close to Malaysia are not quoted as being
overly concerned that this most powerful of storms might accidentally hit
their shores.

This news is quite stupendous, and it opens up all sorts of questions about
our incredible and unprecedented hurricanes in the past 5 years. Were these
hurricanes also caused by our scientists, or by the Russian scientists? If
our scientists created them, then the Federal Government needs to be strung
up and quartered for the pain, anguish, and death caused by these terrible
storms. If the Russian scientists caused these storms, then they have just
committed an act of war against the United States!

NEWS BRIEF: The New York Times September 24, 1992, reported that a Russian
company which deals with weather modification sell Weather Control
Electronic Equipment to certain people in Russia who want to manipulate the
weather in a specific area. This weather control technology is being used by
farmers to alter the climate for beneficial agricultural purposes.

Then, the Wall Street Journal, on October 2, 1992, reported that a Russian
company called "Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc.," sells weather control
equipment by using the advertising slogan, "Weather Made to Order". This
motto is even on their business cards! The commercial Director of Elate,
Igor Pirogoff, stated that "Elate is capable of fine-tuning the weather
patterns over a 200 square mile area for as little as $200 U.S. per day". Is
it just coincidence that this 200 square mile effective range is the same
range as our new GWEN towers? We will be discussing what GWEN towers are and
how they work. Suffice it to say that GWEN towers are apparently being used
in conjunction with HAARP towers to shoot enormous bursts of energy into the
atmosphere to control our weather.

This Wall Street Journal article also quoted Mr. Pirogoff as saying that
Hurricane Andrew could have been decreased "into a wimpy little squall".
This statement is so shocking as to border on being ridiculous! Hurricane
Andrew was so powerful that it caused several billion dollars worth of
damage, killed a number of people, and destroyed or altered the lives of
tens of thousands. Now, we learn that 

[CTRL] Mass Media On HAARP - part 2 of 3

2000-03-11 Thread Nicky Molloy

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HAARP

Bold Articles From The Mass Media



http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/projects.html
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project149.html

Mass Media On HAARP - part 2 of 3

"Researchers believe the jet stream can be set in a constant wave. 'It can
even be fine-tuned to wipe out a wheat crop in the Midwest or any other part
of the world', Ponte says. 'With that power, Siberia could blossom and the
rest of the world could dry up. The tinkering they've done is very serious,'
Ponte and we can't rule it out, for causing the record cold winter last
year.' The Soviets are also considering using nuclear devices to blow up a
river bottom to change its course. 'Changing the flow could help thaw out
the Arctic Ocean', Ponte says. 'And thawing the icecaps could cause flooding
worldwide and alter weather patterns.' "

Doesn't this article capture much of the capability about which we have been
writing in this series of articles on Weather Warfare? Consider the various
types of weather phenomenon mentioned in this article, above:

a. Controlling the Jet Stream -- some reports indicate that the Jet Stream
has, indeed, been changed. We read one report -- that we have since lost --
that said the Jet Stream was lowering, to the point where it might soon be
blowing on the surface. Since the Jet Stream travels several hundreds of
miles per hour, life on the surface would be impossible if the Jet Stream
got that low. But, if you wanted to force people out of the cities and into
the countryside, and if you wanted to change the Industrial Civilization,
this would be one great weapon! If any of you hear of any storms blowing 200
miles per hour or more, send that article to me!

b. Changing course of rivers

c. Thawing icecaps -- Hardly a week goes by that we are not hearing of
melting ice caps and glaciers. Yet, here we see that Weather Warfare can do
just that. As we get into the technical aspect of how this Weather Warfare
is carried out, we need to understand simply that scientists are shooting
tens of millions of watts of power into the atmosphere. In other words, they
are deliberately warming the atmosphere, and then turning around and warning
us of "Global Warming"!

d. Altering Weather Patterns -- Again, we have seen daily reports of the
unprecedented weather in this country and abroad. Some major TV networks are
making our very unusual, unprecedented weather a nightly feature on their
news. Now, we know that scientists from both Russia and America can create
and direct the weather. Does that make them liable for the devastation and
death that has resulted from much of our unprecedented" weather? It should
make them liable, but we know nothing will happen because our Government is
never going to admit they control the weather.

e. Worldwide Flooding -- We have certainly seen much flooding in the United
States since 1993. However, much of the world has also seen highly
devastating floods. Third World countries have been very hard hit.

Let us conclude this most interesting article with some of the most
revealing statements he made about Weather Warfare.

1. "Controlling the weather is vitally important because it would allow
world domination without dropping a single bomb". [Hmmm, world domination.
Isn't that just what the New World Order Plan is all about?]

2. "Earthquakes can be generated with accuracy ... Doing the same thing
[create earthquakes] on the ocean floor can cause quite a large tidal wave."
Does anyone remember Papua New Guinea, just last week? [July, 1998]

3. Scientists can manipulate the jet stream to "wipe out a wheat crop in the
Midwest or any other place in the world". Not only do we think of the past 5
years in our breadbasket Midwest, but also Africa. Would the peaceniks who
have put on concerts to raise support to send grains and foodstuffs to
Africa have been so willing had they understood American scientists had
created the severe and long-lasting drought devastating that continent?

4. "The magnitude of this [weather warfare] is greater than anything we've
ever seen before, and could very well be responsible for the unusual weather
hardships we've had."

5. "Awesome strides already have been made in using the power of weather for
weapons", he reveals, adding, "We were making typhoons in the Vietnam
conflict." Wait a minute! Wasn't this the charge Senator Claiborne Pell was
making in his Editorial, above? Yes, it was! Therefore, this technology was
being used effectively, possibly as early as the late-1960's. In later
articles, we will educate you to the fact that, in 1993, this technology hit
a far greater potential than the world has ever seen so far.

NEWS BRIEF: Did you know that a law has been on the books since the late
1960's to forbid anyone from using Weather Modification techniques unless
they received specific 

[CTRL] CONGRESS ACTION: March 12, 2000

2000-03-11 Thread Bill Richer

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WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

CONGRESS ACTION: March 12, 2000

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ROUTINE ABUSE: This president, who likes to claim "firsts" for things he had
absolutely nothing to do with, always fails to include a notable first for
which he really does hold the record: he is the first President of the United
States to be cited for contempt of court by a federal judge for his
"contumacious conduct", for his "willful refusal" to obey court orders and
for giving statements under oath that were "intentionally false". Clinton's
actions were, according to the judge, "conduct which abuses the judicial
process". But the judge expressly noted that Clinton's conduct took place
within the realm of his unofficial duties (defending a lawsuit for sexual
harassment). But what about his official duties? Apparently when it comes to
"contumacious conduct", the Clinton administration doesn't draw such fine
lines of distinction between official and unofficial duties. And most of the
major media, apparently having grown so used to "contumacious conduct" by
this president, simply doesn't bother to even report it any more.

Everyone recalls, although nobody seems much to care about, the antics of
Bill and Hillary trying to explain how Rose Law Firm billing records, under
subpoena for two years, were suddenly and mysteriously discovered in the
White House living quarters. As lawyers, the Clintons swore to uphold and
respect the legal process, but it is obvious that lawyer Bill views subpoenas
just about as seriously as he views oaths, including his oath of office. The
most recent example involves subpoenas issued for a series of White House
e-mail messages, subpoenas issued by a federal grand jury and by
congressional committees investigating the collection of FBI files by the
White House, fundraising irregularities in the 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign,
and Commerce Department trips with corporate contributors. The House
Committee on Government Reform has received evidence that, in the words of a
letter from Committee Chairman Dan Burton to Attorney General Janet Reno,
".hundreds of thousands of e-mails sent to White House employees from outside
the White House complex have never been reviewed to determine whether they
are responsive to document requests and subpoenas." Burton went on to observe
"The appearance created by this failure is that you have no intention of
pursuing a vigorous investigation of the White House." To the big surprise,
it should be added, of no one. After all, Reno's hand-picked investigator
into campaign finance abuses by the Clinton-Gore team, Charles LaBella, wrote
of Janet Reno's refusal to appoint an Independent Counsel to investigate
those abuses, "The contortions that the [Justice] Department has gone through
to avoid investigating these allegations is apparent."

The evidence of the Clinton administration's latest "contumacious conduct"
came from Sheryl Hall, the chief of White House computer operations during
the relevant time period. Hall has alleged, in a lawsuit for job harassment
and reprisals, and in statements to the Committee on Government Reform, that
e-mail messages from August, 1996 through November, 1998 had not been
surrendered pursuant to the subpoenas, and that the White House had labeled
those e-mails as "classified". Hall claims that the e-mails were covered up
as part of a plan to stonewall the congressional investigations until Clinton
left office. When the existence of those documents was uncovered and brought
to the attention of White House officials, Hall claims that she, and the
independent contractors working on the White House computer system who
discovered the e-mails, were threatened. According to Hall, one contractor
was told by a White House official that ".they had a jail cell with his name
on it if he discussed the matter." Hall left the White House after she was
demoted for questioning the political misuse of the White House database
(called WHODB), and she further charged that Hillary Clinton herself oversaw
the political misuse of that database.

No doubt the cadre of Clinton defenders, ever ready to fan out in the media
to defend any and all depredations of Bill or Hillary, would argue that the
invasion of privacy involved in using confidential FBI files to create an
enemies list (WHODB and Filegate), the acceptance of campaign contributions
from questionable -- to say the least -- foreign sources (Chinagate), and
suspicious overseas trips for corporate contributors arranged by Ron Brown's
Commerce Department, do not strictly involve Bill Clinton's official duties
as President of the United States. The fact that Clinton would not have been
in a position such that his underlings could acquire confidential FBI files,
the Clinton-Gore campaign would not have been given money by communist China,
and the Commerce Department would not have been motivated to 

Re: [CTRL] The Real Purpose of The 2nd Amendment

2000-03-11 Thread Jabr 333

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Our constitution does not necessarily say we have the right to hunt, but if
you are being STALKED you should have the right of redress and self-defense,
which may including hunting the stalkers.  What is awful is that the courts
have nearly abandoned the right of self-defenseI haven't seen this used
in a successful defense for decades against a criminal.  .Judith


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 Our Constitution does not say we have the right to hunt.
 It clearly states we have the right to be armed.
 There is a difference.
Regards to All
   Nakano
 ___

 "The time has come for us to openly discuss something that
 up to this time we have mainly whispered about.
 The pu 

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Re: [CTRL] The Real Purpose of The 2nd Amendment

2000-03-11 Thread br wahl

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--Original Message--
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Real Purpose of The 2nd Amendment

IT IS AWFUL and soon to get a lot worse. (My earlier e-mail was rejected at
your end but that's not so strange since I can hardly keep this 'phone line
open in Montpelier, Vermont. Byron.)
-Caveat Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
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Our constitution does not necessarily say we have the right to hunt, but if
you are being STALKED you should have the right of redress and self-defense,
which may including hunting the stalkers.  What is awful is that the courts
have nearly abandoned the right of self-defenseI haven't seen this used
in a successful defense for decades against a criminal.  .Judith


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writes:

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Our Constitution does not say we have the right to hunt.
It clearly states we have the right to be armed.
There is a difference.
Regards to All
Nakano
___

"The time has come for us to openly discuss something that
up to this time we have mainly whispered about.
The pu 

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[CTRL] Explosives Found in Exec's Yard (Another Doctor Ford report)

2000-03-11 Thread Richard Sampson

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/A -Cui Bono?-

http://www.latimes.com/editions/orange/todays.topstory.htm

Saturday, March 11, 2000 |


Explosives Found in Exec's Yard

  Irvine police also find weapons
stored in plastic pipes beneath a
concrete slab behind home of
Biofem partner who killed himself.

By SCOTT MARTELLE, JACK
LEONARD, H.G. REZA, Times
Staff Writers


 Police pulled high-powered
military explosives and a cache of
weapons from the yard of Dr.
Larry C. Ford's Irvine home Friday
as the biomedical researcher's
family buried him in his native
Utah.
 Authorities expected to
complete the search by today and
will send the six canisters, along
with several dozen vials of
suspected chemicals removed from
Ford's home last week, to the FBI
crime lab in Quantico, Va., for
analysis.
 By Friday night, police had
discovered two packages of
military grade C-4 explosives and
blasting caps in one of the
canisters. The other three canisters
contained weapons and
ammunition, said Irvine police Lt.
Sam Allevato.
 Officials believe the explosives
were being stored rather than used
as some sort of booby trap because
there was no electrical current
needed to detonate them. "Unless
detonated, it's not going to blow,"
Allevato said.
 Ford buried the canisters in his
yard years ago, Allevato said, but
investigators have no clear idea
how long the cache lay buried
under a concrete slab.
 Investigators also said Friday
that the sources who tipped them
off to the canisters said that they
contained AIDS-related biomedical
research. But no such material was
found in the initial examination,
police said, and the containers
won't be opened until they arrive
in Virginia.
 Police ordered more than 200
nearby residents out of their homes
during the excavation and put
them up in an Irvine hotel. So far,
they said, the investigation has cost
about $400,000. Residents could be
allowed back to their homes
sometime today, police said.
 Meanwhile, speculation
continued over Ford's possible
links to intelligence agencies and
biological weapons.
 An attorney representing the
Ford family said detectives told
Ford's wife, Diane, that her
husband was involved with the
Central Intelligence Agency.
 "She was shocked," William
Bollard said. "What she told me
was that Larry is a man of ultimate
integrity, and if he was involved in
classified information [that] speaks
more to his integrity than anything
else."
 Diane Ford said that when she
began dating Larry Ford about 30
years ago, he claimed access to
classified information, the attorney
said. "She thought it was just a line
to impress on a date," Bollard said.
 Irvine police, though, flatly
deny they told the Ford family of
any connection with CIA.
 "We, the police, have no
information about any
involvement with the CIA,"
Allevato said. "We're interested in
this from the state charges of
attempted murder. His alleged
federal involvement is not really
germane to this case at the time.
We're really pursuing the shooter."
 Ford's family, who were in Utah
for his funeral Friday, could not be
reached for comment.
 Hazardous materials specialists
dug down nearly 8 feet to retrieve
the canisters, said Irvine Sgt. Jeff
Noble. The canisters, plastic sewer
pipes measuring about 5 1/2 feet
long and 10 inches wide, were
buried with their tops nearly 2 feet
below the surface, he said.
 Police put the canisters inside
larger pipes and sent them to the
Armed Forces Reserve Center in
Los Alamitos.
 Ford was a partner in the Irvine
biomedical firm Biofem, which is
developing a female contraceptive
suppository designed to also
retard the spread of sexually
transmitted diseases, including
HIV.
 Ford's partner, James Patrick
Riley, survived an attempted
slaying March 2. Three days later,
Ford shot and killed himself.
 Police have said they believe the
motive for the murder attempt was
financial.
 However, company officials
said Friday they had more than $5
million on hand and were planning
to proceed with clinical tests of the
suppository.
 Meanwhile, more details
emerged Friday of Ford's
relationship with key people
involved in South Africa's military.

 Several doctors in South Africa
said Ford performed work on
commercial drug products at a
military laboratory and gave the
defense forces advice on how to
protect personnel against
biological and chemical weapons.
 But two former South African
military science researchers said
Friday that at one point, Ford
hosted a seminar in lacing
everyday items with biological
agents. The researchers asked not
to be identified in part because
they have been called as witnesses
in a criminal trial and are under
court orders not to discuss the case.

 One researcher said the
techniques turned out to be
invalid, and further experiments
with the procedures were
unsuccessful.
 Dr. Neil Knobel, former military
surgeon general who held
administrative 

[CTRL] Why They Want Americans Disarmed

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Just in case there is anyone out there who
does not understand the real purpose behind
the movement to ban gun ownership in America,
Sarah Brady of the "Brady Handgun Bill" explains it for you.

 "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed
when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, to Sen. Howard Metzenbaum,
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

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[CTRL] LIKE FATHER LIKE SON?

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Do you suppose Gee Dubya Bush
thinks this way too?
Nakano


"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the
United Nations charter to which the American people
will henceforth pledge their allegiance."
President George Bush addressing the U.N.General Assembly
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Re: [CTRL] Peru UFOs: What are these?

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Wow! My older son was to have returned from Peru Friday. His flight was
canceled and he was rescheduled to fly out of there today, arriving at
Washington National this evening. I shall forward this to him and ask if
this was the reason for his delay. :) LOL!  Come to think of it, I do not
know for a fact that he has been able to leave as yet.  I will ask if he saw
any of this.
Amelia

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[CTRL] Half of Arctic ice cover has melted since 1960s

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UK Independent
Half of Arctic ice cover has melted since 1960s

By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Correspondent


12 March 2000

Nearly half the ice covering the Arctic has melted, warns an authoritative
report to be published in May. An alarming disappearance of ice is occurring
at both poles and from glaciers worldwide as global warming proceeds, and in
decades there could be none left at all on the Arctic ocean.

The report, from the Worldwatch Institute, in Washington, describes how
entire ice shelves have already disintegrated in the Antarctic and how a
fifth of the glaciers in the eastern Himalayas have vanished.

"Earth's ice cover is melting at an astonishing rate," it says. The melting
had "accelerated rapidly" over the past decade as more and more polluting
"greenhouse gases" contaminated the atmosphere, increasing global warming and
preparing the way for raisedsea levels and more flooding.

Last week, the Government announced a radical programme to cut Britain's
emissions of the gases to a level that goes beyond what is legally required,
in an attempt to breathe new life into faltering international negotiations
over combating climate change.

John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister, warned ofmore disasters, like the
recent floods in Mozambique, as global warming increases. The Worldwatch
report says that every two years an area the size of Denmark vanishes from
the ice sheet that covers the Arctic Ocean around the North Pole.

Meanwhile, the remaining ice has lost nearly half its thickness. The overall
volume of the ice has shrunk by 40 per cent over the past 30 years, and it
could all be gone "in a matter of decades". Three Antarctic ice sheets have
"fully disintegrated" and two more are "expected to break up soon".

The World Glacier Monitoring Service has also reported "extreme" losses of
ice from the world's mountains over the past few years.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #2

2000-03-11 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 000311b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* Portal to notices, excuses, overflow, links: http://skepticon.pitas.com
* No cryptozoologists were sexually exploited to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Devil Woman: http://www.halcyon.com/cyber/misc-pics/bettyblue.png
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Chinese e-commerce site attacked. (BBC) Police are attempting to track
  a hacker who shut down a leading Chinese e-commerce web site. The fiend:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_674000/674038.stm

# Also - Web hackers strike again - nobody is safe - run and hide:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_657000/657783.stm
# A-Z: Hack attack - when the world is hacked, will society fall?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_639000/639248.stm
# Beating the hacker attack - a good offense is the best defense:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_638000/638166.stm

 NET-NANNY CRACKED - The Breaking of Cyber Patrol® 4. Several attacks are
  presented on the "sophisticated anti-hacker security" features of CP4, a
  "censorware" product intended to prevent users from accessing Internet
  content considered harmful. Motivations, tools, and methods are discussed
  for reverse engineering in general and reverse engineering of censorware
  in particular ... Excerpts from the list of blocked sites are presented
  and commented upon. A package of source code and binaries implementing the
  attacks is included. http://hem.passagen.se/eddy1/reveng/cp4/cp4break.html

  [ this brilliant work was forwarded via http://www.politechbot.com/
For more info see http://www.politechbot.com/p-00994.html and
http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=censorware
http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=loudoun ]

: Have you uncovered any ill-kept secrets lately? Have you demonstrated the
moral corruption and/or incompetence of authoritarians? Has retaliation been
swift and deadly? Will the conspiracies re-group and proceed to their goals?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Yowie hunters head for the hills near Gympie. AAP -- To some it's just a
  huge, hairy joke, but 12 deadly serious men plan to search for that large,
  ape-like and always elusive creature, the yowie. "There were thousands of
  yowies up and down the eastern seaboard of Australia, and they had terro-
  rised people over the last few years, usually in less densely populated
  areas." http://news.ninemsn.com.au/05_technology/story_15992.asp

# Not every mystery has a paranormal explanation - just the interesting
  ones: http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/stories/000311/3740391.html
# ETs INVADE USA! http://www.vny.com/cf/news/upidetail.cfm?QID=68304
@ VIRUS CULTURE: http://www.mtsu.edu/~english/weinstock.htm

: Have you experienced anything paranormal lately? Are you sure it's really
paranormal? Just because *you* couldn't figure it out, does that make it
mystical? Have you chased any elusive creatures? Have they chased you? Why?

# Pollster: Americans put high priority on spirituality. DENVER - This is
  a "bull market" in spirituality as more and more Americans seek their
  own mystical experiences. http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0311n.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Eve Is Again Listening to the Voice of the Serpent. Eve fell for the fruit
  but Adam fell for Eve. There is a replay of the garden incident in the end
  time. Satan's plot is to corrupt woman and ruin the race. Womanhood of
  America is running headlong to harlotry. Instead of the Bible, movie
  stars set American standards. http://members.aol.com/libcfl/woman.htm

# Natural Passion. Rape is as much a feature of the normal landscape of
  sex as flirting or courting. Power is not the issue: spreading genes is.
  So sez: http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opinion.jsp?id=ns222611
# Outrage as professors claim rape is natural - "cut off their scrotums!"
  www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000343180237640pg=/et/00/3/9/ecnrape09.html

: Is your sexuality evil/natural/neutral/boring/odd? Do y'r belief/knowledge
systems inform you of proper/normal/acceptable sexual behaviors? D'ya ignore
the teachings and just do whatever the hell you want to do? Have you bred??

@ I'M YOUNG  BURNING WITH SEXUAL DESIRE  SEXUAL TORMENT. WHEN DO I HAVE TO
  MARRY? WHEN MUST WE MARRY? WHAT OF PORN? WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT THE BURNING?
  http://www.etext.org/Religious.Texts/Polyamory/UnderageSexBurning.txt
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# Crows Wield Beak-Crafted Tools. It was dogma for decades, but the notion
  that tool-making distinguishes humans from other animals turned out to be
  a flattering delusion. But of all the animal artisans, only humans seemed
  to shape tools according to a set pattern and with a favored hand. Now,