[CTRL] Bush Family's Whitewater Interest

2002-03-23 Thread William Shannon
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/032202a.html



Bush Family's Whitewater Interest
By Robert Parry
March 22, 2002

Two senior aides to President George H.W. Bush gave accounts of their roles spurring on the federal Whitewater probe in 1992 at sharp variance with testimony of other Bush administration officials. But those conflicting stories of political intrigue were glossed over in the final report on the 10-year investigation.

The elder Bush’s White House counsel C. Boyden Gray and Secretary to the Cabinet Edie Holiday spoke with high-ranking law-enforcement officials in the weeks before the 1992 election. Those conversations prompted inquiries from Washington to investigators in Arkansas about pressing ahead with a criminal probe that would have named Bill and Hillary Clinton as potential witnesses.

The pre-election probe was stopped by Charles Banks, a Republican U.S. attorney in Little Rock who concluded that the Bush administration wanted to provoke an investigation so the embarrassing news could be leaked about Clinton and used to reelect George H.W. Bush. The prosecutor refused to go along.

While Banks’ resistance has been known for several years, the formal responses from Gray and Holiday were first disclosed in the final Whitewater report issued by special prosecutor Robert Ray on Wednesday, a day before he declared his candidacy, as a Republican, for the U.S. Senate seat in New Jersey.

Gray and Holiday – two of the senior Bush’s closest aides – told Whitewater investigators that they had no inside knowledge when they asked about the case in the weeks before the election. They said they were not trying to instigate a formal investigation for political purposes.

Although their accounts were contradicted by other senior Bush administration officials, the possibility that the federal Whitewater probe may have started as a political dirty trick aimed at fixing a presidential election was never seriously pursued by Ray or his predecessor Kenneth Starr, who was Bush's solicitor general. They focused instead on whether Banks and others who resisted the investigation had obstructed justice.

The Early Days

The origins of the federal Whitewater investigation date back to summer 1992 when a Resolution Trust Corp. investigator named Jean Lewis drafted a criminal referral on Madison Guaranty Savings  Loan, which was owned by James McDougal, a partner in the Whitewater real estate deal with the Clintons.

Lewis, who considered herself a conservative Republican and privately described Clinton as a "lying bastard," listed the Clintons as prospective witnesses in the Madison case. She soon began pestering the FBI in Little Rock to pursue her referral.

To avoid political manipulation of the case, Banks and local FBI officials decided that no investigation should be started until after the November presidential election. “Banks thought the reason for the push (to investigate) was the high-profile witnesses named – the Clintons in particular – and the RTC was angling for an overt investigation before the imminent presidential election because the inquiry would become public,” the Whitewater report said.

Banks, a Republican who did not consider himself a friend of Bill Clinton and opposed Clinton’s political views, rejected a pre-election probe even after then-President Bush nominated Banks for a federal judgeship in August 1992.

Though Banks kept the Madison referral inside his office in Little Rock, word still spread to Washington. “Not long after the referral arrived in Little Rock – and some weeks before (Banks’ office) officially notified officials at Main Justice of its existence – high-level Bush administration officials heard rumors about the referral from other sources,” the Whitewater report said.

Attorney General Alerted

One of those contacted was Attorney General William P. Barr, who “learned about the possible existence of the referral on Sept. 17, 1992” from Edie Holiday, Bush’s secretary to the Cabinet, the report said. According to Barr’s account, “Holiday said she wanted to ask Barr something, but she was not sure if it would be appropriate. Barr said she could ask, with the understanding that he would not tell her anything if it was not appropriate.

“Holiday asked if Barr would be aware of a pending matter in Justice – she may have said it was a criminal referral – about a presidential candidate or a family member of a presidential candidate,” the Whitewater report said. “Barr said he would if it was pending in the Department of Justice. Holiday said she was talking about a savings and loan matter, and it became clear to Barr she was referring to Governor Clinton. Holiday did not say where she heard the rumor, and Barr did not ask.”

The inquiry from Holiday convinced Barr to begin a discreet search to see if an investigation of Clinton was underway.  “Barr did not want anyone in the Justice Department to know he was inquiring about the matter, to avoid the perception that he was 

[CTRL] The Israel lobby

2002-03-23 Thread William Shannon
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/ArticleView.asp?Accessible=yesP_Article=10335



The Israel lobby
    
April 2002  
    
America's unconditional support for Israel runs counter to the interests of the US and its allies. We need an open, unprejudiced debate about it


    
Until recently, America's middle east policy was a peripheral part of its global strategy, which focused on preventing the Soviet Union from intimidating US allies in western Europe and east Asia. Britain was the dominant western power in the middle east until the 1960s, and US influence was countered in much of the region by the Soviet Union until the end of the cold war. The indifference of much of the national security elite and the public to the region, in between crises, permitted US policy to be dominated by two US domestic lobbies, one ethnic and one economic-the Israel lobby and the oil industry (which occasionally clashed over issues like US weapons sales to Saudi Arabia). 

Times have changed. The collapse of the Soviet empire created a power vacuum which has been filled by the US, first in the Persian Gulf following the Gulf war, and now in central Asia as a result of the Afghan war. Today the middle east is becoming the centre of US foreign policy-a fact illustrated in the most shocking way by the al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington. A debate within the US over the goals and methods of American policy in the middle east is long overdue. Unfortunately, an uninhibited debate is not taking place, because of the disproportionate influence of the Israel lobby. 

Today the Israel lobby distorts US foreign policy in a number of ways. Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, enabled by US weapons and money, inflames anti-American attitudes in Arab and Muslim countries. The expansion of Israeli settlements on Palestinian land makes a mockery of the US commitment to self-determination for Kosovo, East Timor and Tibet. The US strategy of dual containment of Iraq and Iran, pleases Israel-which is most threatened by them-but violates the logic of realpolitik and alienates most of America's other allies. Beyond the region, US policy on nuclear weapons proliferation is undermined by the double standard that has led it to ignore Israel's nuclear programme while condemning those of India and Pakistan. 

The debate that is missing in the US is not one between Americans who want Israel to survive and those-a marginal minority-who want Israel to be destroyed. The US should support Israel's right to exist within internationally-recognised borders and to defend itself against threats. What is needed is a debate between those who want to link US support for Israel to Israeli behaviour, in the light of America's own strategic goals and moral ideals, and those who want there to be no linkage. For the American Israel lobby, Tony Smith observes in his authoritative study, Foreign Attachments: The Power of Ethnic Groups in the Making of American Foreign Policy (Harvard), "to be a 'friend of Israel' or 'pro-Israel' apparently means something quite simple: that Israel alone should decide the terms of its relations with its Arab neighbours and that the US should endorse these terms, whatever they may be." 

The Israel lobby is one special-interest pressure group among many. It is a loose network of individuals and organisations, of which the most important are the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)-described by the Detroit Jewish News as "a veritable training camp for Capitol Hill staffers"-and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organisations. The Israel lobby is not identical with the diverse Jewish-American community. Many Jewish-Americans are troubled by Israeli policies and some actively campaign against them, while some non-Jewish Americans-most of them members of the Protestant right-play a significant role in the lobby. Even pro-Israel groups differ on the question of Israeli policies. According to Matthew Dorf in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency: "The Zionist Organisation of America lobbies Congress to slow the peace process. Their allies are mostly Republicans. At the same time, the Israel Policy Forum and Americans for Peace Now work to move the process along. Democrats are most sympathetic to their calls." 

The Israel lobby is united not by a consensus about Israeli policies but by a consensus about US policies towards Israel. Most of the disparate elements of the pro-Israel coalition support two things. The first is massive US funding for Israel. As Stephen M Walt writes in International Security (Winter 2001/02), "In 1967 Israel's defence spending was less than half the combined defence expenditures of Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Syria; today Israel's defence expenditure is 30 per cent larger than the combined defence spending of these four Arab states." Israel receives more of America's foreign aid budget than any other country-$3 billion a year, two thirds in military grants (total 

[CTRL] Hindu-Israeli Plot to Place Pakistan As Next Target on U.S. War on Terror

2002-03-23 Thread William Shannon
http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=205986lang=edir=news



Report: Hindu-Israeli Plot to Place Pakistan As Next Target on U.S. War on Terror  
22-03-2002  


Pakistan’s Interior Ministry has presented a sensitive report to the President General Pervez Musharraf claiming that the Hindu lobby in cooperation with the state of Israel is actively launching a campaign to place Pakistan as the next target of the US-led global war on terrorism. 

The report had been presented in the framework of an Inter provincial meeting held in Islamabad aimed at discussing the law and order situation in the country. It had also been submitted to a high-ranking meeting held on recently under the chairmanship of Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf, according to Pakistan News Service (PNS). 

The lobby, according to the report, was also pushing the “nefarious propaganda” that the US could never eliminate Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda network and other terrorist groups unless the extremist groups including the Al-Qaeda organization were targeted within Pakistan. 

In the report, it has been disclosed that armed Taliban forces, following their downfall in Kabul, have crossed over the borders to neighboring countries. 

Pakistan has increased its security on its common borders with neighboring Afghanistan, however, the report suggested, further security measures still needed to be heightened. 

In view of the report, a large amount of Arab and Afghan nationals belonging to bin Laden’s Al-Qaida network have already been arrested. 

A significant number of deadly clashes also have occurred between Al-Qaeda members taking safe refuge in the areas of Chaman, Torkham, Northern Waziristan and Kurram Ageny and Pakistani law enforcement agencies when the Taliban fighters had tried to slip into Pakistan. 

In a specific incident, according to the report, in the midst of a shoot out at the Kurram agency, 13 people, including 6 law enforcement personnel had been killed. 

The sensitive report added that the Pakistani government had taken all necessary measures to put in place an effective security system at the borders and improve stability within the country. Moreover, the Federal government had also provided an additional amount of Rs 205 million to the different provinces in order to control law and order, the report added. 

Furthermore, with regards to the situation in the aftermath of the US attacks on Afghanistan, law and order in Pakistan had assumed a new dimension, it said. 

The US has failed as of now in its efforts to track down Al-Qaeda leader and suspected terror mastermind Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, nor has it succeeded in eliminating the Al-Qaeda network, the report concluded. 

In a related development, commander of the US forces in Afghanistan said Wednesday that they might cross the border into neighboring Pakistan to capture or kill Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters widely believed to have found safe sanctuary in that country. 

During an interview at his headquarters at the Bagram Air Base situated in the war-stricken country of Afghanistan, Major General Franklin L. Hagenbeck said chasing Al Qaeda and the Taliban into Pakistan would be a "last resort" carried out with the approval of Pakistani leaders, The New York Times reported. 

Meanwhile, an estimated 20 miles from the border with Pakistan, near Khost, American troops had been attacked from several directions on Tuesday night, American military officials said. One soldier had been injured. 

General Hagenbeck said it was not clear whether the Americans were caught in fighting between Afghan factions or had come under attack from Taliban or Al Qaeda fighters. 

American commanders have said that fighting in Afghanistan may rise as the snow melts during the spring season. There also have been growing indications that American military leaders are thinking about expanding the field of action by moving against Taliban and Al Qaeda sanctuaries in Pakistan, where the government says it has deployed thousands of troops to seal the border. 

General Hagenbeck did not provide specific information, however said any eventual move into Pakistan would more likely be planned to thwart movements by the opposing side rather than to stage a chase across national frontiers. 

"Hot pursuit would probably be my last resort," General Hagenbeck said, quoted by the Times. "What we would try to do is anticipate any type of operations that would cause the enemy to go into Pakistan, and we would try to coordinate with the Pakistan government, and our ambassador in Pakistan, before we did any of those kinds of operations." 

Meanwhile this week, General Tommy R. Franks, the commander of American forces in the region, asked Pakistan's President, General Pervez Musharraf, to take part in joint military actions to capture Al Qaeda and Taliban forces moving back and forth across the border, according to a senior Pakistani government official who spoke 

Re: [CTRL] Indigenous Sovereignty

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew Hennessey

-Caveat Lector-

the federated nations of north america would be full of citizens
beholding to federal law and the united nations.
canadian nation states, american nation states - mormonia - capital salt
lake - aztlan, disneyland, Cajun Confederation,
megacity1-NY, megacity2-LA, judge dread, zorro, terminator2,
charlton hestons soyient green, and kurt russells escape from UN

divide and rule - and isn't it scary - apparently the US is still an
english colony according to some tax link with washington -
and Queen Lizardbirth has bought some underground real estate through the
virginia company in colorado or nevada.

its like those b-movie films are coming home for real -
rollerball, the running man, gladiator - does anyone else have a feeling of
deja vu here ??

andrew hennessey

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[CTRL] THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS:PART 1: THE TERRORIST ALLIANCE:BIN LADEN, AL QAEDA,

2002-03-23 Thread William Shannon
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/end_justifies_means.html



THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS
Prior Knowledge and Government Involvement in the Terrorist Attacks of September 11th 2001
PART 1: THE TERRORIST ALLIANCE:
BIN LADEN, AL QAEDA, AND THE CIA
Paul Joseph Watson  

The Agenda
 Using the ancient Hegelian tool of manipulation known as Problem-Reaction-Solution, the Illuminati have precariously stacked the deck in anticipation of the next large-scale 'terrorist' attack that will dwarf the events of September 11th tenfold. This event is likely to be a nuclear strike on a major American city or a widespread biological apocalypse. The ensuing chaos will allow the easy passage and full implementation of the New World Order. This series of articles documents the overwhelmingly accurate premise that high level elements of the US Government had clear and precise prior knowledge of the 9-11 atrocities and allowed the Pentagon and WTC events to happen in order to justify the creation of a Police State, primarily in the US and the UK. We already see the ramifications of this through the draconian and fascistic anti-terrorism bills that have passed in both countries. Both bills crucify public privacy, free speech and right of mobility, defining a 'terrorist' as anyone who engages in criminal activity.(1) Infiltration of the military into domestic civilian control is also accelerating an Orwellian future where eternal war is waged for eternal oppression. Add to this the empowerment of global government and usurpation of the world's third largest oil supply and we see that only Big Brother stood to gain from the September tragedy.

The Bogeyman and the Birth of Al-Qaeda
 In the first instalment we take a look at the Taliban, Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network. Specifically we document both past and present connections and collusion between these groups and the US intelligence community and military-industrial complex.
 One of the many disturbing parallels that can be drawn between today's events and climate, when measured against George Orwell's dystopian novel 1984, is the character of Osama bin Laden. Using Hitler's old mantra - 'tell a lie loud and long enough and people will believe it' - the media has successfully imprinted this individual and his associative labels firmly onto the collective consciousness of the Western masses. In 1984, there was a bogeyman figure with a beard known as Goldstein. The general public, of whose leaders were at war with Goldstein, were mandated to practice a daily ritual of hate towards him. Goldstein was a shadowy figure who always seemed to evade capture. Follow the lineage of bogeymen - Gadaffi, Hussein, bin Laden - and we have a plethora of useful Goldstein's. The media and the US intelligence agencies say Bin Laden is guilty. Who are we to argue? We know for a fact these two glorious institutions would never lie to us.
 Osama bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight the invading Soviets in Afghanistan. By 1984 he was running the front organization known as MAK, (Maktab al-Khidamar) which eventually mutated into Al-Qaeda, consisting of the more extreme members of the former group. During the war MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's Inter-services Intelligence Agency, ISI. The ISI was the CIA's covert ally and conduit against Moscow's occupation. Via the ISI the kindergarten Al-Qaeda were trained, armed, funded and empowered by the CIA.(2) The new covert U.S. assistance began with a dramatic increase in arms supplies -- a steady rise to 65,000 tons annually by 1987, as well as a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon specialists who travelled to the secret headquarters of Pakistan's ISI on the main road near Rawalpindi, Pakistan. There the CIA specialists met with Pakistani intelligence officers to help plan operations for the Afghan rebels, bin Laden included. The Central Intelligence Agency, using Pakistan's ISI, played a key role in training the Mujahideen. In turn, the CIA sponsored guerrilla training was integrated with the teachings of Islam.(3) Mainstream analysts engage in reductionism by stating that these horrific mistakes in foreign policy are purely accidental, yet we see the same pattern repeat itself over and over with our lineage of elite bogeymen. Just like Hussein, bin Laden is a CIA asset, eternally useful in the context that few can actually calmly study his roots without them being pre-conditioned to either hate (Jews, Christians, westerners) or worship (Muslims, Arabs) him. Furthermore, consensus media tells us that after the Soviets were defeated, bin Laden and his network severed any relationship with western forces and laid the groundwork for the agenda he initiated with the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania along with the USS Cole a decade later.

CIA Met Bin Laden
 If this is the case then why did bin Laden, the 'international terrorist' accused of these bombings, meet with a CIA agent at the American Hospital Dubai, 

[CTRL] THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS:PART 2: PRESERVATION OF TYRANNY - PROTECTING THE TER

2002-03-23 Thread William Shannon
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/end_justifies_means_2.html



THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS
Prior Knowledge and Government Involvement in the Terrorist Attacks of September 11th 2001
PART 2: PRESERVATION OF TYRANNY - PROTECTING THE TERRORISTS
By Paul Joseph Watson

"Behold our secret. Remember that the end justifies the means."
Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati. 

  When one considers the voluminous evidence derived from official sources, domestic and foreign mainstream media, and alternative media, the only logical conclusion is that elements within the US Government had specific foreknowledge of the events of September 11th and allowed the attacks to take place when preventative measures could and should have been taken to prevent them. There are many fingers pointing in different directions as to responsibility and culpability. I claim not to be able to pinpoint precisely which party, if singular, is to blame. Furthermore, I think that to attempt to identify an individual faction (such as al-Qaeda) is limited and naive. However, I can state with absolute certainty that the consensus viewpoint concerning the attack on America is not merely incorrect, but a damning betrayal towards the thousands people killed and their mourning relatives.

   What is also patently clear is that a New World Order has been fuelled and accelerated by September 11th. The societal de-evolution is achieving what the terrorists were supposed to have failed to accomplish, namely throwing the United States of America into an abyss of tyranny and despotism. Every measure and approach that would feed the demonic soul of a totalitarian control-freak such as Hitler or Stalin has been veiled by a facade of preventing further terrorism and accepted by an alarmed and paranoid population. Despite this, such fear is not unjustified. Another attack is coming, unless we circumvent the controlled media and inform the public of the gargantuan inconsistencies concerning September 11th. This is the second in a series of reports in which I intend to fulfil that exact brief.

   This instalment mainly concerns events prior to September 11th and not the actual day itself. A full synopsis of the events of that day will be detailed in a subsequent part of this series.

   September 14th, just three days after the attack on America, FBI director Robert S. Mueller stated, "perhaps one could have averted this."(1) This was in response to reports confirming that several of the suicide hijackers had received flight training within the United States. For the moment we will set aside the shocking revelation that seven of the named nineteen suicide hijackers are still alive(2), this evidence will appear in a later part of this report. For the sake of clarity, at this point we will work from the notion that the FBI's nineteen named hijackers are actually the ones who carried out the September 11 atrocities (albeit operating under slightly changed birth dates and/or names with regard to the discrepancies between military training records and the official FBI list). As you will see, the consensus line can be attacked from numerous different angles.

   The Pensacola Naval Air Station is recognized as the premier naval installation in the Department of the Navy. The Complex in Escambia and Santa Rosa counties employs more than 16,000 military and 7,400 civilian personnel. It is also where as many as four of the FBI's nineteen suspected suicide hijackers participated in the facility's flight training program for foreign military trainees in the 1990's.(3) Three of these individuals listed their addresses on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla. according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source.(4) Namely Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmad Alnami, who allegedly were two of the four men that hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 and subsequently crashed in Stony Creek Township, Pennsylvania, and Ahmed Alghamdi*, alleged co-hijacker of United Airlines Flight 75, which hit the south tower of the World Trade Center. Military records also confirm that the three used their address as 10 Radford Boulevard, a base roadway on which residences for foreign military flight trainees are located. The Florida link is clear. The FBI lists no less than eleven of the hijackers as having lived or living in Florida, including six in the Delray Beach area alone.(5) It is also interesting to note that several of the hijackers, including the lead hijacker Mohamed Atta, lived in Hollywood, hardly a puritanical hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism. With regard to the three Pensacola students, it is confirmed that their training was financed by Saudi Arabia, birthplace of the majority of the nineteen hijackers and a supposed ally of the United States. Days after Newsweek published this story, Florida Democratic Senator Bill Nelson angrily faxed a message to Attorney General John Ashcroft, demanding to know if it was correct. The response 

[CTRL] Fwd: Amazon.com: buying info: The Secret War Against the Jews : How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People

2002-03-23 Thread saba

Now here if John Loftus - a former nazi hunter who is also after the
Catholic Church for we know the Catholic Church has been invaded for
years..this Loftus, then is out or money - these bastards are sue
happy and this is no doubt the work of ADL - out to destroy anything and
everything American.   Note Barry Chamish bought this guy's book.

First read this story in todays new and how this asshole like this
Barbara Rosenberg who is not with the Academent of Scientists the
official academy but with the organization with an agenda to disarm
America - the American Federation of Scientists who operate like a NEA
and make it appear as though they have connection to Geneva
Conventions of the higher order..this woman Rosenberg is the one
who claimed anthrax was an inside job but when it was revealed the one
the FBI thought did the job during the 911 anthrax attack when she
discovered the guy believed to have done same was a Zionist she pulled
away.

Note this - these god damned bastards - you cannot attack a jew or a
Zionist but look what this cruddy bastard has done in attacking anything
American, but yet he was for a brief time a Nixon appointee for long
period of tiem.

We have all these Rabbis involved in drugs selling and we had all these
Israelis running around with boxcutters on 911, we had the Pollard
affair, the USS Liberty, and here we have more on this attack now
against the arabs to sue them for money of course, and Iraq being sued
by Oklahoma mob when  the only persons I know who actually got caught
doing these acts of sabotage were the Jews and/or Israelis in the name
of Zionism.

So here is the story and note the name John Loftus for this man is the
Anti Christ..he is a paid stooge for the ADL in my opinion and check
him out all deniers..what about the USS Liberty, wonder what this
creep has to say about that.

OSaba

First the story today where again these Israeli spies butt in on FBI
investigations and/or have set the trap to drive a wedge ...how
stupid can Americans be...take another look at the Twin Towers and ask
CUI BONO CUI BONO CUI BONO.

Then read story under title matter and put this together -- this man
no doubt is a USS Liberty and Lavon denierand a stooge.

   Fina

Finances prompted raids on MuslimsFederal agents suspected terror ties
to N. Va. for yearsBy John Mintz and Tom Jackman
THE WASHINGTON POST
WASHINGTON, March 24 — Federal agents who searched 16 homes and
offices in Northern Virginia last week were focusing on a tightly
interconnected, complicated and very private financial empire with
worldwide ties that has drawn the suspicion of investigators for at
least seven years.
          
 
  'We know we have not done anything wrong. We will work with the
government agencies and get them whatever they need.'
— M. YAQUB MIRZA
Financier         SHOWING UP WITH warrants and drawn guns, the
agents seized computers, financial records and boxes of other documents
from some of the nation's most reputable Islamic organizations and
leaders — a coordinated series of raids that outraged many Muslims.
       At the center of the federal investigation is a cluster
of companies and charities based in Herndon that was launched in the
1970s by one of Saudi Arabia's leading banking families, the al-Rajhis.
The network has owned or invested in scores of businesses worldwide,
from sprawling dairy farms in Zimbabwe to a huge poultry business in
Georgia and lucrative office buildings in downtown Washington.
       For years, most of the firms and foundations searched
have engaged in extremely complex business deals with one another. And
since the mid-1990s, federal agents have tried to track the $1.7 billion
that has sloshed among them. Millions of dollars have ended up being
sent to related firms in offshore tax havens, such as the Isle of Man,
or to organizations that are under investigation for possible ties to
terrorists.
       
A BRILLIANT FINANCIER

• Detainees now face deportation  • Iran presents quandary for
U.S.  • Bush, Toledo to fight terror  • For U.S. troops, it's
personal  • More sites raided in probe of terrorism  • N. Va.
sites raided in terror probe         The central figure in the
interlocking companies and foundations is M. Yaqub Mirza, a financier
with a reputation for brilliance who received a doctorate in physics
from the University of Texas before taking the helm of the SAAR
Foundation in Herndon, whose money he invested to start or gain
positions in dozens of firms around the globe. SAAR and two close
affiliates, the Safa Trust and the International Institute of Islamic
Thought — all of whose offices were searched — donate funds to many
worthy Islamic causes, such as publishing religious texts and training
Muslim clerics..
       We know we have not done anything wrong, Mirza, who
also manages a mutual fund firm called Amana, said in a brief telephone
interview yesterday. We will work with the government agencies and get
them whatever 

[CTRL] Fwd: WABC Special - Interview With Esther Pollard

2002-03-23 Thread saba

Because of Jonathan Pollard nearly 1 million Iraqi children have died -
and note here is John Loftus, who is not the man with the secrets but
the man who betrays the secrets of his country - this man is for hire,
he wears a mask - no for whom does he work - this is a propagandist tool
for the Zionist Cause - who has filed a lawsuit to promote his books.

He came pretty cheap at that - strange he would push in on the Pollard
Case yet ignore Marc Rich, the ADL association with Meyer Lansky and
this murder inc., the man who ordered the Kennedy hits for taking on
this Jewish Mafia - oh pardon me, cannot call them Jewish can we - let
us call them this Pig Mafia - who deal in drugs, slaughter,
prostitution, pornography, and this gun for hire - toss in demolition of
America which is also under contract at this point in time.

And keep in mind that in 1974 the Mafia bought out 5 major publishing
houses in America..

Saba

WABC Special - Interview With Esther Pollard
Justice4JP Release - July 27, 2001
Originally aired on WABC Radio 77 NYC - June 23, 2001
The John Batchelor and Paul Alexander Show
PART I
Click here to go straight to Part II.
John Batchelor and Paul Alexander, later joined by Rabbi Joe Potasnik,
begin their 4 hour Pollard Special by introducing listeners to the facts
of the case. They then interview Jonathan Pollard's wife, Esther.
John: Mrs. Pollard, Good evening. I want to introduce you to our
audience: this is Mrs. Jonathan - Esther - Pollard - and I'm John.
Paul: and I'm Paul.
John: I began with a reading of the facts of Jonathan Pollard's case
from 1983 and 1984. And I want to ask if you want to expand or correct
any of the information I read at the top of the show.
Esther: First of all, I was listening and you did a wonderful job. There
are indeed a couple of comments I would like to make.
John: Just one moment. The rabbi is with us now. Rabbi Joe are you
there?
Rabbi Potasnik: Yes I am, and I want to thank you because there have
been so many wrongs committed against Jonathan Pollard. Only when we
have a coalition of Jews and Christians standing together is there some
hope for justice, finally, for this man who has been in prison too
long... And I say thank you to both of you for expressing this desire in
trying to bring this case to the attention of all the people who don't
have all the facts.
John: Yes - we've got some serious work tonight. Excuse me, Mrs. Pollard
- Esther - I wanted to make sure Joe was there for us. Boy, is this a
coalition!
Esther: I'd like also to join with Rabbi Joe in thanking the two of you,
John and Paul, for what we call your mesiras nefesh - the dedication
and devotion that's required to get the truth out there. Your opening
comments tonight were indeed right - there has been a conspiracy of
silence on this case. There has been a conspiracy of silence to bury the
truth.
John, you asked for my comments on your introduction to the case. Can I
come in sideways and ask if you have ever heard of a fellow named Albert
Sombolay?
John  Paul: No.
Esther: And it's a really curious thing that most people have never
heard of Albert Sombolay - His case immediately came to mind when you
mentioned earlier that U.S. forces are on full alert tonight because of
the Iraqi threat.
Let me tell you about Albert Sombolay. He's the epitome of a traitor. He
was a U.S. soldier who spied for Iraq during the Gulf War.
John: Oh, yes, yes. You're right! You just kicked a cobweb. Go ahead,
please.
Esther: This guy gave Iraq samples of the American chemical warfare
equipment that was worn by American soldiers during Desert Storm. He
gave them the protective suits, the boots, the gloves - all the
protective gear that was worn by American soldiers. Which meant that all
Iraq had to do was manufacture a chemical agent that could penetrate
this gear. Iraq wasn't competent enough to get it done during Desert
Storm; but you can bet that they've got it done by now.
Albert Sombolay, by definition, committed treason. According to American
law, the definition of treason is spying for an enemy in time of war.
Now, remember that Jonathan Pollard did not commit treason: he spied for
an ally, and it wasn't a time of war. Jonathan Pollard got life. What do
you think Albert Sombolay got for handing over to Iraq all this
information about U.S. troop deployments and equipment during the Gulf
War?
John: Go ahead. This is an incredible series of events that have led to
all these men being let out of jail. It's incredible.
Esther: Sombolay got 34 years; then his sentence was reduced to 19 years
with further appeals pending. Then the case drops off of the radar
screen as the U.S. government began to hide the information, making it
impossible to find out about further reductions that were made to
Sombolay's sentence. In all likelihood, Sombolay is free today, but it's
very hard to confirm that.
John: But I've read through the list of Cold War spies and men from the
Cold War era who are walking around free today 

[CTRL] Fwd: U-WIRE.com/Man sues U. South Florida prof over claims of conspiracy with Saudi Arabia

2002-03-23 Thread saba

Note a lawsuit in Oklahoma was filed against Iraq and you can imagine
what inspired this..this is big bu$ine$$ for this Lomas is out to
steal the Arab gold and consider the Twin Towers and the Saudi gold at
the bottom and then ask again cui bono?   Larry Silverstein a man who
was bankrupt in 1991 - 7 billion dollars.

Jewish Mafia murdered John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Robert F.
Kennedywhy are they protected in this country and Meyer Lansky's son
goes to West Point?

You see Gore and Lieberman were to have won this last election - for all
things were ready for a Zonist TakeoverGore married into the Schiff
family throuh his daughter and professing to be a born again Christian -
but now take a good look at New York City - and see cui bono?

Well Larry Flynt prospers and this ADl prospers - Marc Rich prospered
and this cororupt evil element has America by its throatsee Israel
this hell  hole and see America for now America is as hated as Israel
around the world .and then ask who really is behind this EU?

Now how many Americans died in WWII or was it just 6 million jews - the
denial of the 55 million others who died but all these Holocaust
Landmarks over this country without one National Memorial to WWII men
who died for jews, gypsies, and homosexuals - and now the Afghanistan
war - the homosexuals and their child lovers alread in the streets with
painted prosatitutes.

REMEMBER THE LAVON AFFAIR AND THE USS LIBERTY..

OSaba


Man sues U. South Florida prof over claims of conspiracy with Saudi
Arabia

By Ryan Meehan

The Oracle (U. South Florida)
03/21/2002
TODAY'S HEADLINES


(U-WIRE) TAMPA, Fla. -- The pending situation involving controversial
University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian compounded Wednesday
when a former federal prosecutor filed a civil suit against him in state
court.

John Loftus, president for St. Petersburg's Holocaust Museum and
well-known author on terrorism and intelligence, is claiming Al-Arian
conspired against the United States with the Saudi Arabian government.
He also alleges Al-Arian used the guise of a charitable organization to
funnel money into Saudi terrorist groups. Al-Arian said Wednesday the
allegations are nonsense.
(Loftus) needs to be put in an insane asylum, Al-Arian said.

He characterized Loftus' claim as rehashed allegations that already have
been disproved.

According to a St. Petersburg Times report, Loftus said in the suit,
which was filed in state court Wednesday, the U.S. Department of Justice
has had enough evidence to charge Al-Arian, but making public Al-Arian's
money-laundering network would embarrass the Saudis, who are American
allies. Loftus also was quoted in other news sources as saying an
unnamed government official has taped conversations that prove
Al-Arian's guilt.

The suit compounds Al-Arian's problems as he awaits the decision of USF
President Judy Genshaft, who sent him a letter of intent to terminate
late last year.

Al-Arian, a Palestinian who has lived in the United States for nearly 30
years, came under fire eight years ago when allegations a USF-based
Middle Eastern think tank, which he founded, served as a front for the
Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

The FBI four years ago investigated the claim but never found sufficient
evidence to charge the professor with a crime.

In October 2000 Federal Judge R. Kevin McHugh said though Al-Arian's
think tank, World and Islam Studies Enterprise, was accused of serving
as a front for PIJ and Hamas, there was no evidence that proved that
allegation. Instead he characterized WISE as a reputable and scholarly
research center.

USF's faculty union President Roy Weatherford announced the pending suit
at Wednesday's Faculty Senate meeting.

After the meeting, Weatherford said the suit will not change the union's
decision to support Al-Arian if he is fired by Genshaft.
He said people sometimes mistake the union's support for Al-Arian,
making the assumption its support stretches farther than academic
freedom.

This is an entirely personal, private issue, Weatherford said. We're
not his personal support group or his political cheerleaders.

Weatherford said even if Al-Arian loses the civil court battle, Genshaft
still does not have justification for firing him.

A three-member panel from the American Association of University
Professors visited USF last week and met with both Al-Arian and
Genshaft. The group will gather information on campus and write a report
on its findings.

If the panel determines Genshaft has violated academic freedom, USF
could be censured, or blacklisted, by June 2003.
Because the visit took place during USF's spring break, Chairman for the
panel William Vanalstyne will be at the Embassy
Suites for two hours this morning to meet with professors and
representatives from the student government.
Any content distributed via U-WIRE is protected by copyright.
U-WIRE is a division of Student Advantage, Inc.


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[CTRL] SkeptiNews: Doomsday For Dummies

2002-03-23 Thread Ric Carter

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 GOOGLE PULLS, REPLACES ANTI-SCIENTOLOGY SITE - gutless goliath bends to
  waves of fury: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/03/22/google.reut/
_ _ _ _ _ _

* Just perfectly ordinary doomsday fanatics - preparing for a myriad of
  anticipated troubles. http://csmonitor.com/2002/0314/p19s02-bogn.html
* Witch Mark? http://www.google.com/search?num=100hl=xx-borkq=witch.mark

* UFOs, Quakes Zapped Harappa: www.indian-express.com/ie20020321/nat5.html
* LUMINOUS UFOs CONVERGE ON TERRACE, BRITISH COLUMBIA - male body builder
  paralyzed by beams: http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/uforo712.htm

* No Future In Time Travel: http://www.iit.edu/~bosabri/timecomments.html
* Ancient Egyptian Treasures In The Grand Canyon? Suppressed Archeological
  Information  Metaphysical Paradox? http://www.rense.com/general6/egy.htm

Has your world/culture/conscience/body been devastated/revitalized lately?
Were UFOs/demons/witches/dogs to blame? Are you prepared for the next one?
_ _ _ _ _

* Russian Scientist Disproves Einstein And Tackles Solving Gravity Mystery.
  Really heavy endeavor: http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/ngrav.htm
* Secret lives of numbers http://www.turbulence.org/Works/nums/prepare.html

* IBM To Link Government Computers In Powerful Grid - supernet will control
  the entire world: http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020322S0005
* TESTING 1ST CYBORG: http://cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/03/22/human.cyborg/

* Neural-network - Artificial brains could use in-jokes to deliver secret
  messages - beware!! http://newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns2067
* DNA to ID sea monsters: http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/cdna.htm

Have you (dis)solved any major quandaries lately? Do nets weave/wave around
you seamlessly? Do you know who/what/why you are? Are you opaquely funny??
_ _ _ _ _

* [ at http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Religion/ ] - Forget lame-ass Jack
  Chick tracts. Today's Christian youth can read comics about the evils of
  evolution in COLOR. But don't just take it from me, read the celebrity
  endorsements, including the star of The Shaggy DA. Hold me back...

* Be you a dentist http://members.aol.com/JesusImages/imagesJPG//Dental.JPG
  or trucker http://members.aol.com/JesusImages/imagesJPG//Trucker.JPG or
  juggler http://members.aol.com/JesusImages/imagesJPG//Juggler.JPG , know
  that Jesus http://members.aol.com/JesusImages/ is With you always.

Has the Second Coming been vaporware for 2000 years? Is religion like most
software products, never quite out of beta-testing? Is your faith buggy??
_ _ _ _ _

  Tobacco kills at least 50 Latinos per day. That’s even more than
   the chupacabras. -- http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/mcrc/legacy.htm

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[CTRL] Moon Predicts One-World Religion

2002-03-23 Thread InfoWarz

Moon Predicts One-World Religion 
- Denies Divinity Of Christ 
 From America's Survival, Inc. 
http://www.usasurvival.org/moon.html

3-15-2

United Nations Supporter Rev.Sun Myung Moon Claims to be the Messiah; Claims to Have Succeeded Where Jesus Christ Failed; Predicts One-World Global Religion

Moon Denies the Divinity of Jesus Christ

The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, founder of The Washington Times, has abandoned anti-Communism and fully embraced the United Nations. According to the Times, which uncritically highlighted Moon's remarks in a page two story on January 28, Moon called the U.N. a temple of peace and said religions should work with it to solve global problems.

Moon received a Universal Peace Award at the U.N., has called for a U.N.-based religious body, and has declared, As long as America sticks with its nationalistic pride it will never be able to embrace the world. On January 12, Moon spoke of how U.N. non-governmental organizations can represent all humanity -- through which God can come and reign.

Moon's turn toward the U.N. could reflect his belief that the U.N. could help protect his global business dealings in China, North Korea and Vietnam. The Moon connection to North Korea is most striking, Cliff Kincaid of America's Survival, Inc. said. Moon met with and was extremely close to North Korean dictator Kim Il-Sung, whose successor and son, Kim Jong-Il, gave Moon a birthday gift. (30)

What follows is an AP story about Moon's claim to be the true Messiah:

End-Tmes Reading Of The Bible

By Richard N. Ostling AP Religion Writer August 27, 2001

Already well known for accumulated worldwide business involvements, arranged marriages and mass weddings, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon hit a publicity jackpot in May when he selected one of his Korean disciples, Maria Sung, as a bride for Vatican-based Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo and conducted the nuptials days later.

The on-again, off-again marriage then became entangled in Vatican intrigue.

People generally know little about Moon's creed, but it was a remarkable context in which a 70-year-old Roman Catholic archbishop found a wife, though Milingo said he didn't mean to forsake Catholicism.

New religions such as Moon's often cite the Bible, but give it a radically different interpretation from that taught by mainstream Judaism or Christianity - faiths toward which Moon is sharply critical. Moon's doctrines are laid out in his 1957 scripture, titled Exposition of the Divine Principle in the 1996 English translation.

Moon's followers regard him as the new messiah or Lord of the Second Advent who is providing the physical salvation that Jesus was unable to accomplish because he was executed and didn't marry. Jesus gave only spiritual salvation.

By contrast, Christianity has always taught that Jesus' death on the cross gives complete salvation for all who believe in him.

The faith's end-times scenario uses biblical chronology: There were 2,000 years from Abraham to Jesus, so the messiah comes in another 2,000 years, closing the New Testament Age. To be specific, the period of the Second Advent began soon after the end of the First World War.

Moon was born in January 1920.

How would the Christ or messiah return? An oft-quoted Second Coming verse says, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him (Revelation 1:7). Since a person cannot literally ride on the clouds, Moon explains, the clouds are symbolic, referring to multitudes of believers, and the messiah is born in ordinary fashion rather than returning from heaven.

Where does the birth occur? Here Moon relies on Revelation 7:2: Then I saw another angel ascend from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God. ...

The rising sun means the messiah comes from one of the nations in the East, and since ancient times there have been considered to be three: Korea, Japan and China. Both Japan and China are ineligible because they have belonged to Satan's side during the time of the Second Advent. Japan entered the period as a fascist nation and severely persecuted Korean Christianity, while China had a strong communist movement and was later ruled by communists.

Thus only Korea has become qualified to receive Christ at the Second Advent and that's where the messiah must be born.

Moon is, of course, Korean.

Chronology enters again with Moon's dispensation of 40. Israel suffered enslavement for 40 times 10 years in Egypt. The Christian Church as the Second Israel suffered 40 times l0 years of persecution in the Roman Empire. There were also 40 times 10 years from Protestantism's birth (1517) to the end of World War I.

Korea was the Third Israel that suffered for 40 years, from the protection treaty with Japan (1905) until the end of World War II.

Since the messiah comes to Korea, he will certainly use the Korean language, which will then become the mother tongue for all humanity. Eventually all people should use the messiah's language as their mother tongue.

All of humanity 

[CTRL] Denver Bows Out Of 'Patriot Act'

2002-03-23 Thread InfoWarz

(Let's hope this catches on in cities across America)

Denver Bows Out Of 'Patriot Act' And 'War On Terror' 
3-22-2

DENVER - The local government here officially threw its lot in with
Portland, Ore. and a handful of other municipalities around the country,
passing a resolution Monday night discouraging police from enforcing new
anti-terror legislation if doing so would interfere with peoples' civil
rights.

A non-binding resolution passed by the city council in response to the
federal USA Patriot Act discourages Denver police from investigating
groups or individuals based on their country of origin or immigration
status. The resolution bars police from assisting in parts of the federal
government's anti-terrorism campaign.

Councilwoman Kathleen MacKenzie, who co-sponsored the resolution, said
the measure urges police not to go too far in the wake of Sept. 11.

In this city, it's not a crime to have dark skin, she said.
It's not a crime to be from a different country. It's not a crime
to express unpopular views.

The move comes a week after revelations that Denver police officials have
been keeping secret files on protest groups like Amnesty International,
anti-globalization protestors and the American Friends Service Committee,
a Quaker group.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which revealed that the files were
being kept, said the police department had some 3,200 files on
individuals and 208 files on organizations dating to about 1999.
Following the revelation, Mayor Wellington Webb reprimanded police
officials and said they had interpreted city policy too broadly.

Targeting some citizens for surveillance and ignoring others because of
their race or national origin didn't sit well with everyone on the
council, however. The resolution passed by a 7-4 margin after nearly two
hours of debate in front of a standing-room-only audience.

Among the opponents of the resolution was Councilman Ed Thomas, who said
the new police powers are needed for public safety and that it would
unnecessarily tie the hands of Denver police.

If you think this is the last terrorist act in this country you are
sadly mistaken, said Thomas, a former police officer. I think
it's inappropriate to not remember the people who died 9/11 and that's
exactly what we are doing.

Councilwoman Cathy Reynolds called the measure poppycock, and
complained that people around the country would view Denver in a
bad light if it passed.

A handful of other cities, including Portland, Ore., have questioned the
scope of the USA Patriot law, which expands law enforcement's
surveillance and investigative powers in order to combat domestic and
international terrorism. Portland officials refused to help federal
authorities interview people about the terrorist attacks.

Although Denver's resolution doesn't have the force of law, supporters on
the council said Mayor Webb has indicated he likely will make it part of
the police operations.

The resolution was proposed by the All Nations Alliance, a group that
made a name for itself protesting the city's annual Columbus Day parade
as a celebration of genocide against Native Americans.

The Associated Press contributed to this report
http://www.smirkingchimp.com
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Your Choice.

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[CTRL] The Whores of Babylon

2002-03-23 Thread InfoWarz

The Unholy Alliance - Christianity  The New World Order

(Who has ties to anti-Christ Rev. Sun Myung Moon and the Unification
Church, who denies the divinity of Christ and an ardent supporter of the
New World Order and One-World Religion?)

Pat Robertson (CBN, 700 Club)
Jerry Falwell (Liberty University)
Timothy LaHaye (Of Rapture Cult Left-Behind Fame)
Beverly LaHaye (Timothy LaHaye's wife, Womens Federation for World
Peace)
Robert Schuller (Crystal Cathedral)
The Council Of National Policy
Bill Bright
James Dobson (Focus On The Family)
James Kennedy
Phyllis Schlafly (Columnist)
John Ankerberg (TV Evangelist)
Jay Sekulow (Christian Attorney)
Pat Boone
Oliver North (Government Hack)
Rev. E.V. Hill
Jimmy Swaggart (TV pervert Evangelist)
Hal Lindsey (Author of The Late Great Planet Earth)
Paul Crouch (Head of the Trinity Broadcasting Network)
Rex Humbard
James Merritt (Southern Baptist Convention President)
Franklin Graham (son of Billy Graham)
George and Barbara Bush (Former CIA head, and US President)
The Bilderbergs.
The Trilateral Commission.
The Council of Foreign Relations.
The Central Intelligence Agency.

Every Christian should read: 
The Unholy Alliance - Christianity  The NWO
Part I
http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy.htm
Part II
http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy2.htm
Part III
http://www.rense.com/general21/unholy3.htm

-end article-


-InfoWarz
But evil men and seducers shall 
wax worse and worse, 
deceiving, and being deceived. 
-Timothy II 3:13

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather
reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which
are done of them in secret.
-Ephesians 5:11-13





[CTRL] SkeptiNews: Devolution

2002-03-23 Thread Ric Carter

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@ UFO Magnet: http://www.elfis.net/rnr/rnrx/giantrock.htm
_ _ _ _ _

* Nerve implant experiment a gimmick. A microarray implant connected to
  nerves in the arm of a controversial cyberneticist does not wow experts.
  Bogus cyborg: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns2078

* The Majestic Art of Mind Kontrol: surfing the dissipative edge of reality
   meta-fiction. Have fun: http://www.elfis.net/mkc/mkcx/majesticarts.htm
* DEVOLUTION!! http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/devolution/devolution.html

* Nasa satellite stranded in space -- Space shuttle rescue needed after one
  of the most advanced commo satellites ever launched is attacked by UFOs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1889000/1889184.stm

Have you controlled any minds/bodies/comsats/dogs lately? Do implants help
you cope? Are you devolving noticeably? Do UFO attacks keep you awake? Why?
_ _ _ _ _

* MeatSociety: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DyeHard/dyehard.html
* The Daughters of UMMO - Bolivian/Saucerian Blood Cult. The world will end
  at summer solstice 2033 http://www.elfis.net/mkc/mkcx/bolivianummites.htm

* Princess Di's sacrifice was foretold in the Bible and in the writings of
  Nostradamus. God's will: http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/prince/prince.html
* Faces on Mars, Moon, Giza? http://www.discover.com/neuroquest/faces.html

* TOYNBEE IDEAS IN KUBRICK'S 2001 RESURRECT DEAD ON PLANET JUPITER - If
  you've seen this phrase engraved into the sidewalk and been confused,
  you're not alone. [ at http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Culture/ ]

Have you been sacrificed/resurrected/ignored lately? Are carnivores/vegans/
breathatarians more civilized? Do you see the patterns in this? What else??
_ _ _ _ _

* Saddam Hussein: the anonymous author of thinly veiled propaganda novels?
  http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=humannewsStoryID=726513
* Gay Lover Blabs www.weeklyworldnews.com/news/index.cfm?instanceid=24859

* Indonesian Sharia Scary: http://ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=25003
* Nigerian Sharia Illegal: http://ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=25004
* Vatican Sharia Expanded: http://ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=25013

* Pacifist Quaker group labeled criminal extremist organization by dumb
  Denver Cops: http://denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,158%257E475984,00.html
* Hindus in Mormonland www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,380007515,00.html

What's your favorite belief system? How do you justify it? Is it constantly
under attack? Do your deities enjoy watching you suffer? Can I help them??
_ _ _ _ _

  Let us hope that a kind of Providence will put a speedy end to the
   acts of God under which we have been laboring. --Peter de Vries

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[CTRL] polish priest, new zealand, candyman, us priests, med privacy, bush/war, denver

2002-03-23 Thread Smart News

-Caveat Lector-

also has arab rebuff




this may be heavy for survivors.


Polish Archbishop Center Of Sex Scandal - 3/22/02 - Baltimore Sun Poznan,
Poland --  The highly respected archbishop of Poznan, Juliusz Paetz, has
been accused of sexually harassing seminarians and priests, charges that
surfaced publicly last month.
http://ctnow.com/news/local/hc-polishbishop0322.artmar22.story?coll=hc%2Dheadl

ines%2Dhome

ACC claims soar after sex-abuse leaflet 3/23/02 At least 3000 new
sexual-abuse claims have been laid since a Christchurch law firm began
touting for business from victims, forcing ACC to take on eight new staff.
Claims to ACC have increased from 100 a week to 500 a week since Wakefield
Associates' controversial national mail-out in January.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=newsthesubsection=stor

yID=1291286

Another US Catholic priest suspended on abuse charge - 3/23/02 Ryan is the
10th priest suspended this year by the diocese because of allegations of
sexual abuse of children and teenagersGeoghan was accused by more than
130 people of molesting them during his 30 years as a Boston-area priest.
Court documents from the trial revealed that Boston Cardinal Bernard Law and
five other church leaders knew of Geoghan's problems but continued to shuttle
him from parish to parish. Geoghan is serving a nine-to-10-year sentence for
fondling a 10-year old boy. The diocese has agreed to pay about US$45 million
to settle claims against him. The controversy has rocked the US Catholic
Church, spreading from Boston to dioceses in California, Florida,
Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and beyond. It has seriously tarnished the
reputation of Law, the senior US prelate.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=1291348thesection=newsthe

subsection=world

Candyman' yields child porn arrests  Two central Illinois men charged in
federal probe of explicit Web community  3/22/02 By Andy Kravetz of the
Journal Star Peoria - Two central Illinois men were part of an Internet
e-group formed for the distribution of child pornography, federal
authorities said ThursdayEarlier this week, federal officials announced
more than 90 people in 20 states were in the process of being arrested as
part of the first phase of Operation Candyman. FBI officials estimated about
7,000 members of TheCandyman e-group uploaded, downloaded or traded images
over the Internet. Authorities also said 27 members of the ring, which
operated the Candyman group and two other online communities, have been
charged with molesting a total of 36 children.
http://pjstar.com/news/topnews/g93852a.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/22/politics/22PRIV.html?ex=1017815320ei=1en=d

afe021cbb208e2b

March 22, 2002 Bush Acts to Drop Core Privacy Rule on Medical Data
By ROBERT PEAR  WASHINGTON, March 21 — The Bush administration today proposed
dropping a requirement at the heart of federal rules that protect the privacy
of medical records. It said doctors and hospitals should not have to obtain
consent from patients before using or disclosing medical information for the
purpose of treatment or reimbursement. The proposal, favored by the health
care industry, was announced by Tommy G. Thompson, the secretary of health
and human services, who said the process of obtaining consent could have
serious unintended consequences and could impair access to quality health
care. The sweeping privacy rules were issued by President Bill Clinton in
December 2000. When Mr. Bush allowed them to take effect last April, consumer
advocates cheered, while much of the health care industry expressed dismay.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12654
Why Bush Is Addicted to Perpetual War Ted Rall, AlterNet March 19, 2002.

The White House saw September 11 as a golden opportunity. The first
catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil sparked an unprecedented case
of leadership projection: desperate for protection and answers (why do they
hate us? can we kill them before they kill us?), Americans wishfully compared
Bush to FDR and Churchill. Approval ratings hit 92 percent. But Bush's
political advisors knew that peaking early wouldn't guarantee reelection in
2004. Bush's father had been turned out of office just 20 months after the
Gulf War ratcheted his score up to 91.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=5774mode=threadorder=0thold=0

Denver officials, citing civil rights, decide to bow out of war on terror
Posted on Wednesday, March 20 @ 10:00:42 EST  From Fox News DENVER — The
local government here officially threw its lot in with Portland, Ore. and a
handful of other municipalities around the country, passing a resolution
Monday night discouraging police from enforcing new anti-terror legislation
if doing so would interfere with peoples' civil rights. A non-binding
resolution passed by the city council in response to the federal USA Patriot
Act discourages Denver police from investigating groups or individuals based
on 

[CTRL] World Trade Center

2002-03-23 Thread saba

-Caveat Lector-

So Neuropsychotic - the throne upon which Saturn date could this be
Satan Satand this 7th Gate is this September using another calendar?

7th - March to some is beginning of year - right?

But is this 7th gate opening to September - the three gates masonic
meaning?

Further this guy who was mastermind who caused Danny Pearl to be
murdered had taken the code name Rubaiyanote Rubaiyat.

It is said Edward Fitzgerald haunts Merton Rectory andI always thought
it was because of his translation of the Rubaiya.

Strange poem - Marily Monroe received a copy of it once from her
friend and a copy was on the Titanic - a Jewelled Copy..Fitzgerald
was a Purcell who took Grandfather's name to use Coat of Arms.this
all means something but what do you think it meant to the assassins of
Danny Pearl?

And the assassins who the night before they demolished the Twin Towers
drank and laughed and made Mary - and of course drugs, hypnotic drugs as
used by the Assassins.

I think Van Atta is alive..these are hired killers, thieves,
murdereres, robbers, butchersthey do not kill for nothing.

These are all hired assassins but the suicide doomsdayers are for real.
Tell me where Satan Sat - is USA the Great Satan?


XXXI
Up from Earth's Centre through the Seventh Gate
rose, and on the Throne of Saturn sate;
And many a Knot unravel'd by the Road;
But not the Master-knot of Human Fate.
XXXII
There was the Door to which I found no Key;
There was the Veil through which I might not see:
Some little talk awhile of Me and Thee
There was--and then no more of Thee and Me.


Strange - 7th Gate - how many gates does the White House Have, flood
gates at White House?  Shades of Ezekial flying saucers and all.

OSaba


The Rubaiyat
By Omar Khayyam

Written 1120 A.C.E.
I
Wake! For the Sun, who scatter'd into flight
The Stars before him from the Field of Night,
Drives Night along with them from Heav'n, and strikes
The Sultan's Turret with a Shaft of Light.
II
Before the phantom of False morning died,
Methought a Voice within the Tavern cried,
When all the Temple is prepared within,
Why nods the drowsy Worshipper outside?
III
And, as the Cock crew, those who stood before
The Tavern shouted--Open then the Door!
You know how little while we have to stay,
And, once departed, may return no more.
IV
Now the New Year reviving old Desires,
The thoughtful Soul to Solitude retires,
Where the White Hand Of Moses on the Bough
Puts out, and Jesus from the Ground suspires.
V
Iram indeed is gone with all his Rose,
And Jamshyd's Sev'n-ring'd Cup where no one knows;
But still a Ruby kindles in the Vine,
And many a Garden by the Water blows,
VI
And David's lips are lockt; but in divine
High-piping Pehlevi, with Wine! Wine! Wine!
Red Wine!--the Nightingale cries to the Rose
That sallow cheek of hers t' incarnadine.
VII
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time bas but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.
VIII
Whether at Naishapur or Babylon,
Whether the Cup with sweet or bitter run,
The Wine of Life keeps oozing drop by drop,
The Leaves of Life keep falling one by one.
IX
Each Morn a thousand Roses brings, you say;
Yes, but where leaves the Rose of Yesterday?
And this first Summer month that brings the Rose
Shall take Jamshyd and Kaikobad away.
X
Well, let it take them! What have we to do
With Kaikobad the Great, or Kaikhosru?
Let Zal and Rustum bluster as they will,
Or Hatim call to Supper--heed not you
XI
With me along the strip of Herbage strown
That just divides the desert from the sown,
Where name of Slave and Sultan is forgot--
And Peace to Mahmud on his golden Throne!
XII
A Book of Verses underneath the Bough,
A Jug of Wine, a Loaf of Bread--and Thou
Beside me singing in the Wilderness--
Oh, Wilderness were Paradise enow!
XIII
Some for the Glories of This World; and some
Sigh for the Prophet's Paradise to come;
Ah, take the Cash, and let the Credit go,
Nor heed the rumble of a distant Drum!
XIV
Look to the blowing Rose about us--Lo,
Laughing, she says, into the world I blow,
At once the silken tassel of my Purse
Tear, and its Treasure on the Garden throw.
XV
And those who husbanded the Golden grain,
And those who flung it to the winds like Rain,
Alike to no such aureate Earth are turn'd
As, buried once, Men want dug up again.
XVI
The Worldly Hope men set their Hearts upon
Turns Ashes--or it prospers; and anon,
Like Snow upon the Desert's dusty Face,
Lighting a little hour or two--is gone.
XVII
Think, in this batter'd Caravanserai
Whose Portals are alternate Night and Day,
How Sultan after Sultan with his Pomp
Abode his destined Hour, and went his way.
XVIII
They say the Lion and the Lizard keep
The Courts where Jamshyd gloried and drank deep:
And Bahram, that great Hunter--the Wild Ass
Stamps o'er his Head, but cannot break his Sleep.
XIX
I sometimes think that never blows so red
The Rose as where some buried Caesar bled;
That every 

Re: [CTRL] Pushing Bad Science and Bad Religion on Discovery/CTV..Why?

2002-03-23 Thread Party of Citizens

-Caveat Lector-

I want to believe
-Fox Mulder, X Files

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Joshua Tinnin wrote:

 Your argument basically begs the question over and over, a logical fallacy.

No I am not begging the question. I am mostly functioning as a critic of
both science and religion in these postings and I don't think it is my
responsibility to come up with a positive alternative any more than an art
critic has such a responsibility. However, I'll go a little further since
you have phrased your reply so well.

 You still have not proven your own conclusion using your own logical tools
 which you use to tear down the theory of evolution: that there was a
 creation. Use your logic to prove your point, now: there is creation by a
 sentient being. I challenge you.

Darwinism starts with some observations of the fossil record and such. As
long as it sticks rigorously to scientific empiricism (observation) I have
no objection. However, Darwinism has turned into DOGMA of the religion of
SCIENTISM and its believers distort observation to fit religious belief.
That is bad epistemology. Since they are usually blind as well to what
they are doing it is also bad psychoepistemology.

I have explained why mutation and selection fail as mechanisms to explain
the diversity of species today. They fail because we do have good command
of these mechanisms in the lab but cannot get the results out of them
which would explain the creation of radically diverse life forms. But
there is a lab mechanism which does give us radically diverse life forms.
That is genetic engineering which is intelligent design. Modern genetic
engineers reasonably expect to someday be able to create life forms as
diverse as the species we see today by such intelligent design. Given
that, if we were to travel to a distant planet in another galaxy and find
diverse life forms, we would reasonably wonder if we had encountered the
Planet of Dr. Morro. Since selection and mutation have been proven
scientifically to be incapable of accounting for species diversity, they
would be ruled out as plausible mechanisms. So we would start to look for
Dr. Morro, the Great Father as Marlon Brando was called in the movie.

 I hear a lot of logic used against evolution, but I hear very little in
 support of it, and the logic I have heard in support of it comes down to
 this point: How could it not be intelligent design, given all this? And
 that is awe and bewilderment as a conclusion, and it is poetic, but it is
 not logic, nor it is a basis for a theorem.

It is as you have phrased it...a question. It is also a reasonable
hypothesis given the lab results which support it and the lab results
which rule out its alternatives, mutation and selection. It is much more
logical than persisting in the pushing of mutation and selection at this
stage. Yes it is poetic...and mysterious and a source of awe and wonder.
It is a basis for a theorem...the Theorem of Intelligent Design.

 We are often stricken in awe at the vast wonder of the universe, but it does
 not prove that a being created it, much as we want to believe it.

My advice is to push the rational-empirical methods of science to their
limit. That is good epistemology. Then struggle with the challenge of
ontology and metaphysics as Asimov did in the quote of his I presented.
Flip into psychoepistemology now. Notice how he felt a need to account for
his position in this thought experiment as ultimate cosmologist. His
religion of Scientism told him he should be able to do so by using
scientific method. But he had to admit that he only had recourse to
faith and belief, that is faith and belief in Scientism.

Scientism left him with what? An omniscient scientist. H...sounds
supsiciously like those cosmologists of OT and NT. And would an omniscient
scientist not be omnipotent?

 I am not saying that someone or thing did not create it, but I want to be
 shown, using these same tools of logic, exactly how and why someone or thing
 did create all of this. And religous texts do NOT count. Remember, you are
 defending the point using logic, not faith.

Show me a system of logic which does not have premises. In religion the
important premises are called dogmas or articles of faith. Why do you
insist that religious texts do not count? Are you only willing to accept
people like Hawking into the profession of Cosmology and not the
Cosmologists of ancient times? That is no more rational than saying modern
philosophers are the real thing but Plato was not.

 It would be even more amazing if it could be proven empirically that it were
 done in seven days. But that is perhaps asking to much - not the creation,
 as that would be fantastic in and of itself, but the timeline.

A day can be any length of time depending on how fast the planet is
rotating.

 I want to believe you. But I can't, not yet. You have only proven your
 ability to poke tiny holes in the ideas which disagree with yours, not in
 supporting your own ideas.

The problems 

Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / Christian theology

2002-03-23 Thread Party of Citizens

-Caveat Lector-

Please explain to us how it is that you, as an atheistic jew have a right
of return to Ancient Israel, under the Law of Return.
POC

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:

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 From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 How much Antichristism is rooted in YOUR theology?
 POC
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 I dont have a theology. I'm an atheist.

 J2
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 On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:

  Melanie Phillips says the Archbishop of Wales is among Churchmen worried
  that opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism rooted deep in
  Christian theology
 
  The Spectator (UK)  23 March 2002
 
 http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=oldsection=currentissue=2002
  -03-23id=1580searchText
 
  It was one of those sickening moments when an illusion is shattered and an
  ominous reality laid bare. I was among a group of Jews and Christians who
  met recently to discuss the Churches' increasing public hostility to
 Israel.
  The Jews were braced for a difficult encounter. After all, many British
 Jews
  (of whom I am one) are themselves appalled by the destruction of
 Palestinian
  villages, targeted assassinations and other apparent Israeli overreactions
  to the Middle East conflict.
 
  But this debate never took place. For the Christians said that the
 Churches'
  hostility had nothing to do with Israel's behaviour towards the
  Palestinians. This was merely an excuse. The real reason for the growing
  antipathy, according to the Christians at that meeting, was the ancient
  hatred of Jews rooted deep in Christian theology and now on widespread
  display once again.



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Re: [CTRL] Pushing Bad Science and Bad Religion on Discovery/CTV..Why?

2002-03-23 Thread Jim Rarey



Both creationism and evolution have to be taken on faith since neither can 
be proved with scientific evidence.

JR

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From: Party of Citizens 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Pushing Bad Science and Bad Religion on 
Discovery/CTV..Why?
-Caveat Lector-"I want to believe"-Fox Mulder, X 
FilesOn Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Joshua Tinnin wrote: Your argument 
basically begs the question over and over, a logical fallacy.No I am not 
begging the question. I am mostly functioning as a critic ofboth science and 
religion in these postings and I don't think it is myresponsibility to come 
up with a positive alternative any more than an artcritic has such a 
responsibility. However, I'll go a little further sinceyou have phrased your 
reply so well. You still have not proven your own conclusion using 
your own logical tools which you use to tear down the theory of 
evolution: that there was a creation. Use your logic to prove your 
point, now: there is creation by a sentient being. I challenge 
you.Darwinism starts with some observations of the fossil record and 
such. Aslong as it sticks rigorously to scientific empiricism (observation) 
I haveno objection. However, Darwinism has turned into DOGMA of the religion 
ofSCIENTISM and its "believers" distort observation to fit religious 
belief.That is bad epistemology. Since they are usually blind as well to 
whatthey are doing it is also bad psychoepistemology.I have 
explained why mutation and selection fail as mechanisms to explainthe 
diversity of species today. They fail because we do have good commandof 
these mechanisms in the lab but cannot get the results out of themwhich 
would explain the creation of radically diverse life forms. Butthere is a 
lab mechanism which does give us radically diverse life forms.That is 
genetic engineering which is "intelligent design". Modern geneticengineers 
reasonably expect to someday be able to create life forms asdiverse as the 
species we see today by such "intelligent design". Giventhat, if we were to 
travel to a distant planet in another galaxy and finddiverse life forms, we 
would reasonably wonder if we had encountered thePlanet of Dr. Morro. Since 
selection and mutation have been provenscientifically to be incapable of 
accounting for species diversity, theywould be ruled out as plausible 
mechanisms. So we would start to look forDr. Morro, the "Great Father" as 
Marlon Brando was called in the movie. I hear a lot of logic used 
against evolution, but I hear very little in support of it, and the 
logic I have heard in support of it comes down to this point: "How could 
it not be intelligent design, given all this?" And that is awe and 
bewilderment as a conclusion, and it is poetic, but it is not logic, nor 
it is a basis for a theorem.It is as you have phrased it...a question. 
It is also a reasonablehypothesis given the lab results which support it and 
the lab resultswhich rule out its alternatives, mutation and selection. It 
is much morelogical than persisting in the pushing of mutation and selection 
at thisstage. Yes it is poetic...and mysterious and a source of awe and 
wonder.It is a basis for a theorem...the Theorem of Intelligent 
Design. We are often stricken in awe at the vast wonder of the 
universe, but it does not prove that a being created it, much as we want 
to believe it.My advice is to push the rational-empirical methods of 
science to theirlimit. That is good epistemology. Then struggle with the 
challenge ofontology and metaphysics as Asimov did in the quote of his I 
presented.Flip into psychoepistemology now. Notice how he felt a need to 
account forhis position in this "thought experiment" as ultimate 
cosmologist. Hisreligion of Scientism told him he should be able to do so by 
usingscientific method. But he had to admit that he only had recourse 
to"faith" and "belief", that is faith and belief in 
Scientism.Scientism left him with what? An omniscient scientist. 
H...soundssupsiciously like those cosmologists of OT and NT. And would 
an omniscientscientist not be omnipotent? I am not saying that 
someone or thing did not create it, but I want to be shown, using these 
same tools of logic, exactly how and why someone or thing did create all 
of this. And religous texts do NOT count. Remember, you are defending 
the point using logic, not faith.Show me a system of logic which does 
not have premises. In religion theimportant premises are called dogmas or 
articles of faith. Why do youinsist that religious texts do not count? Are 
you only willing to acceptpeople like Hawking into the profession of 
Cosmology and not theCosmologists of ancient times? That is no more rational 
than saying modernphilosophers are the real thing but Plato was 
not. It would be even more amazing if it could be proven empirically 
that it were done in seven days. But that is perhaps asking to much - 
not the creation, as that would be 

[CTRL] Made in the USA

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

From SMH
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/22/israeliweapons.htm

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Israeli weapons bear an embarrassing label: made in USA
By Paul McGeough
March 23 2002

British objections to the use of British-supplied weapons in Israel's latest military
push against the Palestinians have focused new attention on the United States'
reluctance to restrain Israel's use of the multi-billion-dollar, high-tech arms it 
sells to
the Jewish state each year.

The US is embarrassed by the high profile given to some of its machinery in the
occupied territories - particularly its F-16 fighter jets, in missile strikes against 
police
stations and other public buildings, and its Apache attack helicopters, in Israel's
controversial campaign to assassinate Palestinian militants.

But the Administration has refused to go public with its growing unease over the use
of US weaponry, in what the UN Secretary- General, Kofi Annan, now calls an all-
out conventional war on Palestinian civilians.

But last week Britain revealed that in 2000 it had extracted a written assurance from
Israel that no military equipment originating from Britain would be used in the
occupied territories. The revelation was sparked when a British diplomat stationed in
the Middle East recognised an Israeli armoured personnel carrier as a modified
Centurion tank, which Britain had supplied to Israel up until 1970.

Now Britain is demanding an explanation from the Israelis. Last year an unnamed US
State Department spokesman told The Independent in London that at some point
Washington would have to make a call on whether the Israelis were in breach of a
stipulation in the Arms Export Control Act that weapons sold could be used only for
legitimate self-defence - but yesterday a department spokeswoman would not tell
the Herald if the issue had advanced.

Israel is one of the biggest buyers of US arms, and much of the trade is financed with
the $US2 billion a year it gets from Washington in military aid. Its arsenal includes
dozens of US helicopters (AH 64As, AH 1Fs, AH 1Gs); hundreds of tanks (M-60s)
and armoured personnel carriers; and the biggest fleet of American fighter aircraft
outside the US (F-15s, F-16s, F-4s and A-4s).

A US-based lobby group, the Palestinian Monitor, says the US should act against
Israel because of its consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally
recognised human rights and, in particular, killings carried out by its airborne
assassination squads.

However, the argument that the US was refusing to put pressure on Israel over its
treatment of Palestinians was laughed at by one of the US's top authorities on the
Israeli military, Anthony Cordesman, of the Centre for Strategic and International
Studies.

Told by the Herald about the assurance won from Israel by the British, he said:
Someone has to be joking. This kind of contract clause is a joke in the weapons
trade. If you think you can tightly control weapons after you have sold them, then
you're living in fantasy land ...

People in this trade make a lot of promises for face-saving purposes. There are
provisions in international law on not using weapons on civilians, but defining 
civilians
in a low-level war like this one can be an academic exercise.

But on the ground, the Israeli choice of US weapons does make a difference. After
the Israelis launched a US-built TOW missile in a helicopter attack on a Gaza police
station last year, a staff member who survived confronted an American visitor. This
is what your country is doing, he said, holding up a part of the missile carrying the
words made in the USA.

He reportedly went on: We hate the Israelis for this ... but we hate America more.

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[CTRL] Poem

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz OKs torture in USA
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Torture Dershowitz, not me
I'll tell you all I know
Of freedom-hating terrorists
And poisoned H2O.

Here's what I'll say if tortured
So you can skip the rack
No shock machines: I'll spill the beans
And never answer back.

I'll finger all conspirators
Turn in my mom and fadda
Don't torture me--here's what you need:
Al Dershowitz is al Qeadda.

Could lawyer's guise conceal a spy?
Is Al the man behind our troubles?
Is Dershowitz the terrorist
That turned our Towers into rubble?

He'll at first deny the charges
But the truth is near at hand
For Harvard profs respond to torture
More smartly than the common man.

He'll admit to kissing Satan
While his testicles are fryin'
Al engineered the Holocaust
And wrote the Protocols of Zion.

Let him study the ways
Of Mossad and Shin Bet
Taste firsthand the justice
Palestineans get.

Torture Dershowitz, not me
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Re: [CTRL] Do Cats Cause Schizophrenia?

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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On 22 Mar 2002 at 22:47, Samantha L. wrote:

 If Christ ever returns for his touted second coming, he's going to be
 in a world of hurt.

COL.  Would anyone recognise him?  Or, how many centuries would pass before
who they recognised was really recognised as the one to be recognised?

AER

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Re: [CTRL] Israelis A Hot Commodity For Homeland Security Swell...

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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On 22 Mar 2002 at 20:33, William Shannon wrote:

 Experts say Israelis with military or security backgrounds provide an
 attractive combination of experience and mystique.

Well, so much for experts and their expertise.  It's interesting that the U.S. is knee-
jerking this thing after having spent so many years having had only isolated incidents
of extremistic actions and events.   Why should we turn to those who haven't been
able to stop these kinds of things when we've been able to prevent them in large part
for as long as they've been escalating in the Middle East, as long as they've been
able to reap the benefits of their inventiveness?  And, do we want the jinx over here?

AER

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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / Christian theology

2002-03-23 Thread Nurev Ind

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From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by
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 Please explain to us how it is that you, as an atheistic jew have a right
 of return to Ancient Israel, under the Law of Return.
 POC


Because we have modern Israel on the same spot, and we
initiated the law of return for Jews.

Not complicated is it?

If you can wrest away that piece of real estate and hold it, then
YOU can initiate a law of return for phony Identity wananbees.

Thats how it goes see.

J2

 On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:

  - Original Message -
  From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism /
  Christian theology
 
 
  How much Antichristism is rooted in YOUR theology?
  POC
  =
  I dont have a theology. I'm an atheist.
 
  J2
  ==
  On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:
 
   Melanie Phillips says the Archbishop of Wales is among Churchmen
worried
   that opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism rooted deep in
   Christian theology
  
   The Spectator (UK)  23 March 2002
  
 
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=oldsection=currentissue=2002
   -03-23id=1580searchText
  
   It was one of those sickening moments when an illusion is shattered
and an
   ominous reality laid bare. I was among a group of Jews and Christians
who
   met recently to discuss the Churches' increasing public hostility to
  Israel.
   The Jews were braced for a difficult encounter. After all, many
British
  Jews
   (of whom I am one) are themselves appalled by the destruction of
  Palestinian
   villages, targeted assassinations and other apparent Israeli
overreactions
   to the Middle East conflict.
  
   But this debate never took place. For the Christians said that the
  Churches'
   hostility had nothing to do with Israel's behaviour towards the
   Palestinians. This was merely an excuse. The real reason for the
growing
   antipathy, according to the Christians at that meeting, was the
ancient
   hatred of Jews rooted deep in Christian theology and now on widespread
   display once again.
 
 

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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / Christian theology

2002-03-23 Thread Party of Citizens

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Hmmm...the Law of Return has no validity unless there was a Deed to the
Holy Land from the Creator to the Ancient Israelites. Now you tell us
that atheists who deny the validity of the Creator are to be the
beneficiaries of this Deed. Does anyone else see a problem with that?
A problem in law? Golda Meier once lamented having some 30% atheists among
her citizens. Seems to be a BIG problem.

POC

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by
 anti-Semitism / Christian theology

  Please explain to us how it is that you, as an atheistic jew have a right
  of return to Ancient Israel, under the Law of Return.
  POC

 Because we have modern Israel on the same spot, and we
 initiated the law of return for Jews.

 Not complicated is it?

 If you can wrest away that piece of real estate and hold it, then
 YOU can initiate a law of return for phony Identity wananbees.

 Thats how it goes see.

 J2

  On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:
 
   - Original Message -
   From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism /
   Christian theology
  
  
   How much Antichristism is rooted in YOUR theology?
   POC
   =
   I dont have a theology. I'm an atheist.
  
   J2
   ==
   On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:
  
Melanie Phillips says the Archbishop of Wales is among Churchmen
 worried
that opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism rooted deep in
Christian theology
   
The Spectator (UK)  23 March 2002
   
  
 http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=oldsection=currentissue=2002
-03-23id=1580searchText
   
It was one of those sickening moments when an illusion is shattered
 and an
ominous reality laid bare. I was among a group of Jews and Christians
 who
met recently to discuss the Churches' increasing public hostility to
   Israel.
The Jews were braced for a difficult encounter. After all, many
 British
   Jews
(of whom I am one) are themselves appalled by the destruction of
   Palestinian
villages, targeted assassinations and other apparent Israeli
 overreactions
to the Middle East conflict.
   
But this debate never took place. For the Christians said that the
   Churches'
hostility had nothing to do with Israel's behaviour towards the
Palestinians. This was merely an excuse. The real reason for the
 growing
antipathy, according to the Christians at that meeting, was the
 ancient
hatred of Jews rooted deep in Christian theology and now on widespread
display once again.
  
  
 
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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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On 23 Mar 2002 at 16:10, Nurev Ind wrote:

 Because we have modern Israel on the same spot, and we
 initiated the law of return for Jews.

 Not complicated is it?

Can't wait for the nationa of Atzlan and the various other indigenous groups to
understand how easy it is.

AER

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[CTRL] Balls Bats

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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 @ http://msnbc.com/news/726523.asp?cp1=1

 }}}Begin
 Conspiracy alleged in sex abuse cases

 New lawsuit invokes
 federal RICO act;
 U.S. dioceses follow
 pope’s call for change

 March 21 — A debate has begun within the church about one of the
 fundamental
 requirements of priesthood -- celibacy. NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports
 on new calls to eliminate the vow.

 NBC NEWS AND NEWS SERVICES

 March 22 —  The scandal over sex abuse within the Catholic Church
 assumed a new level of gravity Friday when a man who says he was
 molested at a seminary in the 1980s filed suit in federal court,
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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism / Christian theology

2002-03-23 Thread Mysty_Love_99

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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by
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 Please explain to us how it is that you, as an atheistic jew have a right
 of return to Ancient Israel, under the Law of Return.
 POC

 On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:

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  From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [ctrl] opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism /
  Christian theology
 
 
  How much Antichristism is rooted in YOUR theology?
  POC
  =
  I dont have a theology. I'm an atheist.
 
  J2
  ==
  On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:
 
   Melanie Phillips says the Archbishop of Wales is among Churchmen
worried
   that opposition to Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism rooted deep in
   Christian theology
  
   The Spectator (UK)  23 March 2002
  
 
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=oldsection=currentissue=2002
   -03-23id=1580searchText
  
   It was one of those sickening moments when an illusion is shattered
and an
   ominous reality laid bare. I was among a group of Jews and Christians
who
   met recently to discuss the Churches' increasing public hostility to
  Israel.
   The Jews were braced for a difficult encounter. After all, many
British
  Jews
   (of whom I am one) are themselves appalled by the destruction of
  Palestinian
   villages, targeted assassinations and other apparent Israeli
overreactions
   to the Middle East conflict.
  
   But this debate never took place. For the Christians said that the
  Churches'
   hostility had nothing to do with Israel's behaviour towards the
   Palestinians. This was merely an excuse. The real reason for the
growing
   antipathy, according to the Christians at that meeting, was the
ancient
   hatred of Jews rooted deep in Christian theology and now on widespread
   display once again.
 
 

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[CTRL] Iraqi Opposition

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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From
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1881000/1881381.stm

Some of this is covered in Bob Baer's book *See No Evil*, events that had
abortive beginnings about seven years ago.  I think a lot of these people have some
osrt of obsessive-compulsive disorder, unable to resolve their personal losses during
the equally aboritve Gulf War.  AER 

}}}Begin
Thursday, 21 March, 2002, 14:57 GMT
Who's who in Iraqi opposition


Saddam Hussein - can the opposition unseat him?

US-led action against Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq would likely involve the help
of internal and external opponents of the regime.

These include semi-autonomous Iraqi Kurdish groups in the north, Shia Muslim
groups in the south, senior army officers who have defected, and the Iraqi National
Congress which says it acts as an umbrella for numerous other exiled opposition
groups.

BBC News Online examines the main players.

Click below for details on each group


Iraqi National Congress
Iraqi National Accord
Kurdish groups
Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq

Iraqi National Congress

The Iraqi National Congress is the best known of the exiled Iraqi opposition groups.

It was founded in 1992 as an umbrella grouping of mainly Kurdish and Shia
opposition members.

In its heyday, the INC had a stronghold and small army based in the US-protected
Kurdish territory in northern Iraq.

It saw itself as a government in waiting and had influential friends in America.


Ahmed Chalabi has friends in the US
But in 1995, an INC attempt to co-ordinate an offensive against the Iraqi army ended
in failure with hundreds of deaths. The group had help from the CIA and American
and British aircraft patrolling the 'no-fly' zones set up after the Gulf War.

A year and a half later, the INC was routed from northern Iraq after Saddam
Hussein's troops overran its base in Arbil.

A number of party officials were executed and others - including its head Ahmad
Chalabi - fled the country.

Mr Chalabi, a Shia Muslim intellectual and scion of a wealth banking family,
eventually ended up in American, where he was feted by some US officials. He has
strong backing in Congress and parts of the Pentagon.

Hoewever, some US politicians favoured supporting other opposition groups such as
the exiled defectors from the Iraqi army.

Mr Chalabi subscribed to the three-city plan, which called for defectors to capture
and numbers of key areas that would isolate and surround the Iraqi president.

This plan had little support from Arab governments, which said they would not allow
Mr Chalabi to run a liberation army from their soil.

In 1998, US President Bill Clinton approved a plan to spend almost $100m to help
the Iraqi opposition - principally the INC - to topple Mr Hussein.

But only a fraction of the money was ever spent, and the INC suffered leadership
problems. Mr Chalabi was accused by some opposition figures of using the INC to
further his own ambitions.

The INC leader is said to have little grassroot support in Iraq and a number of
opposition groups have sought to distance themselves from the INC.

(click here to return)

Iraqi National Accord

The Iraqi National Accord consists mainly of military and security defectors and
supports the idea that the US should try to foster a coup from within the Iraqi army.

Some estimates put the number of former Iraqi officers living in exile in Europe and
America at1,000.

It was set up in 1990 by the Iraqi-born Shiite Ayad Alawi. Reports say the group has
received financial support from US, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Britain.


Demonstrations against US strikes are being organised in Baghdad
The INA prospects for success were boosted in 1995, when Mr Hussein's son-in-law
General Hussein Kamil al-Majid defected to Jordan. He was responsible for helping
to build Iraq's arsenal and reported to have provided intelligence about Iraq's evasion
of weapons inspections.

It appeared that the Iraqi president's grip on his regime was weakening.

But the INA suffered a set back a year later when the president's intelligence
services were reported to have infiltrated the group's operations. Up to 100 officers
inside Iraq were rounded up and some were executed.

The INA was one of the opposition groups earmarked for US funding in 1998.

(click here to return)

Kurdistan Democratic Party and Patriotic Union of Kurdistan

The two main Kurdish parties operate in the Kurdistan Autonomous Region (KAR) of
northern Iraq.

Between them they have about 40,000 troops and constitute the main armed threat
to Saddam Hussein.


Kurds account for 19% of the Iraqi population
Some Americans have suggested recruiting the Kurds and giving them a similar role
as the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan - as a bridgehead to toppling the regime.

But the Kurds enjoy unprecedented freedom within the KAR, which they may not
want to jeopardise.

The factions depend on Baghdad for cheap fuel and cream off taxes from the oil
smuggling 

[CTRL] Suicide on Sam's Dime

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52770-2002Mar19.html

long and slow, but is it worth it

}}}Begin
washingtonpost.com

Another Arab Population Grows Angry at Israel
Long-Docile Bedouins Protest Their Second-Class Status After the Government
Destroys Their Crops

By Daniel Williams
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, March 20, 2002; Page A23

LAQIYA, Israel -- A rectangle of brown, dead stalks lies sadly among surrounding
fields of newly sprouting wheat. At the edge of the ruined field, a sign with a skull 
and
crossbones warns, Danger Poison.

The field was among a number of plots ruined by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's
government, which last month sent out crop-dusters with herbicides to destroy 3,000
acres of wheat planted, without authorization, by Bedouin farmers in the arid Negev
region of southern Israel. The destruction has brought to the surface a long-
simmering feud between the small, impoverished Bedouin population and the
government in Jerusalem.

The Bedouins were nomads whose unfettered way of life, clannish sense of honor
and hospitality were the stuff of Middle Eastern legend. Since Israel was founded in
1948, they have been among the most docile of its Arab citizens. No longer. Years of
second-class status have bred resentment among the 140,000 of them, and for the
first time they are speaking out in militant tones.

To many Bedouins, the crop destruction symbolized a feeling that life in Israel is a
dead end. If these problems are not dealt with properly, we will have an uprising
here, like the Palestinians, said Mohamed Abu Ibrahim Bader, who lost 75 acres to
the crop-dusters. The longer this goes on, the more likely we will have an internal
explosion.

The incident came at a time when Israel is engaged in a grueling battle with
Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, while trying to tamp down frustrations
among its million- member, non-Bedouin Arab population.

The more that Bedouins believe there is no end to their problems, the more fearless
they are becoming. They are willing to fight for rights, said Banna Shoughry-
Badarne, a lawyer for the independent Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

Disputes between Bedouins and the government date from 1948. Tens of thousands
of Bedouins fled the founding war, never to return. The remaining population, which
numbered about 13,000, was herded into the northeastern part of the Negev, the
spade-shaped expanse of southern Israel. They were forbidden to return to ancestral
areas, which they had used for grazing and growing wheat.

In the 1960s, the government began an attempt to resettle Bedouins into seven
townships. About half the current population resides in the townships, and the rest is
spread among informal and, under Israeli law, illegal villages. The population of each
of the 45 unrecognized settlements varies from 500 to 5,000, usually members of
the same clan. The settlements lack water, paved roads and schools. Most of the
homes are made of tin.

To attract Bedouins to townships, the government offered subsidized housing -- as
long as the inhabitants gave up claims to outside land. Bedouins resisted. By
tradition, they prefer to live among members of their clan, rather than in a mixed
urban setting. It also turned out that the townships were bedroom communities -- no
provisions were made for industrialization or agriculture.

Bedouins were expected to find work in Jewish settlements or in Beersheba, the
largest Negev city. About 65 percent of the Bedouin population lives below the
poverty line.

Bader claims to own land near Laqiya, which is an officially recognized town 13 miles
east of Beersheba. After a few years of letting the land lie fallow, he decided to 
plant
wheat. This was a good year for rain. The return would be good, he said. Anyway, I
have land. Why shouldn't I use it?

He asserted that his family's ownership dates from Ottoman rule in Palestine, which
ended with the British mandate after World War I. He did not register it with British
authorities; many Bedouins resisted paying land tax to the foreign occupiers.

On the morning of Feb. 14, crop-dusters appeared over the flat horizon. I thought it
was strange, but that maybe they came to kill insects on someone else's land.
Instead they came to kill my crops, said Bader, a retiree.

Within days, the entire crop wilted. Government agents arrived to put up warning
signs, even though the Infrastructure Ministry, which was responsible for the
poisoning, said the chemicals were harmless to humans.

Bedouins protested in Beersheba. An Arab representative in Israel's parliament,
Taleb Sana, told a television interviewer, The Bedouin ought to equip themselves
with arms and go to war with Israel.

The government contends the land belongs to Israel and the plantings were illegal. It
was more efficient to ruin the crops by air than to send in security forces to clear 
the
land, officials said. These days police cannot give us 

[CTRL] German Rights

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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From
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4380142,00.html

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German right in uproar as immigration gets easier

John Hooper in Berlin
Saturday March 23, 2002
The Guardian

Legislation opening Germany up to immigration for the first time since the 1970s was
pushed through parliament yesterday, causing a furious constitutional row and
ensuring that race will play a central role in this year's general election.

Rightwing members of the normally sedate upper house bellowed in rage and
slammed their desks with their hands after the Speaker, a member of Gerhard
Schröder's Social Democrat party (SPD), disallowed a vote that would have robbed
the government of its majority.

There is a clear danger that rightwing Germans will feel their country has been
tricked into taking in more foreigners. With one in 10 German workers out of a job,
the issue has become even more highly charged than usual.

The government had made substantial concessions in an effort to create a bipartisan
approach and keep race out of the September election. The amended bill allows in a
limited flow of skilled foreign workers. But it also makes Germany's already stringent
asylum laws even tighter and lays down conditions for the integration of foreigners.

Courses are to be held for long-term foreign residents covering German language,
culture and society. Those whose knowledge of the language is judged to be
insufficient will be obliged to attend.

The maximum age at which children can join their immigrant parents in Germany has
been lowered from 14 to 12 in a vain attempt to meet conservative objections.

The rightwing opposition, fled by Edmund Stoiber, was never likely to be won over
easily. The Bavarian Christian Democrat leader has refused from the start to accept
the government's fundamental contention that Germany needs immigration because
of its ageing population and shortage of skilled workers in key areas.

His initial response, two years ago, was to propose measures to encourage German
married couples to have more children.

We don't need more immigration but better controls on the immigration we now
have, he said.

Mr Stoiber, who will lead the Christian Democrats into the election, said he was
deeply outraged by yesterday's result, which had pitched Germany into a
comprehensive constitutional crisis.

The upper house, the Bundesrat, is made up of delegations from each of the 16
German states.

They normally cast bloc votes. But the Christian Democrat member for the eastern
state of Brandenburg shouted out a no as his SPD colleague was registering a
yes.

It was the first time a delegation had split since 1949 and the speaker ruled that the
senior, Social Democrat, representative's vote should prevail.

Mr Stoiber held back from a decision to take the matter to the constitutional court,
but several leading conservatives appealed to the president, Johannes Rau, not to
sign the bill into law.

Race has for years been a subject of intense and continuing controversy in
Germany. One of the earliest measures of the Schröder government was a law
breaking for the first time the link between blood and nationality.

The millions from Mediterranean Europe who poured into Germany in the years up to
the early 1970s and supplied the cheap labour for Germany's economic miracle
were officially Gastarbeiter (guest workers).

For decades afterwards politicians sustained the myth that these workers would one
day go home, and insisted that theirs was not a country of immigration.

Those who entered Germany did so by seeking asylum. Even today many who would
be termed immigrants in other countries are described - and treated - as
foreigners in Germany.

Moreover, as a result of Germany's experience with the Gastarbeiter, there was a
widespread perception, as elsewhere in Europe, that immigrants were
overwhelmingly unskilled.

But in 2000 Mr Schröder made a canny bid to change attitudes when he offered
20,000 green cards to computer specialists from developing countries to fill jobs for
which qualified Germans could not be found.

A poll released yesterday showed more people supporting than opposing the bill,
which was approved yesterday by the controversial single vote.

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[CTRL] Autobio of Sarah Brady

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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Recall that Mrs Brady has been recently exposed as being the straw person
purchaser of a rifle for her son.  Flaunting the laws can only be approariate for a
certain class of people.  AER

From
Sierra Times (URL @ bottom)

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The Autobiography of Sarah Brady
By Dr. Michael S. Brown
Published 03. 22. 2002 at 23:09 PST xxx
The name Sarah Brady has become synonymous with gun control. As chair of
Handgun Control Inc., she has been an active combatant in America's cultural war
over the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.

Her autobiography, A Good Fight, arrives in bookstores this weekend. While it does
not rank with the great biographies, it may be of interest to historians and students
who wish to understand the personalities involved in the gun control debate.

It begins with the tragic wounding of her husband, White House Press Secretary Jim
Brady, by a lunatic intent on assassinating President Reagan in 1981. Jim Brady's
heroic struggle to survive and recover from a crippling head wound is a recurring
theme throughout the book along with the family's efforts to cope with the disaster.

Sarah Brady describes her middle-class life before she entered the world of
Washington politics. During the mid-1960's she spent two years as a 5th grade
teacher in a black neighborhood and she recalls that there was no fear of guns in her
school. She did not mention the fact that guns were much more easily available in
that era than they are now.

In 1968, she began working for a Republican campaign committee in Washington
and began her lifelong involvement in politics. Although her husband was a key
Reagan team member, her politics would have to be called Republican in name only.
She makes several references to her dissatisfaction with Republican positions on
many issues and she seems relieved to report her endorsement of Bill Clinton in the
1992 presidential election.

Her story includes several interesting vignettes of life among Washington's power
elite when her husband was a key member of the Reagan administration. Brady did
not feel like she belonged in this rarefied strata of society, but the reader can sense
her outrage when an assassin's bullet pierced the royal cocoon of bodyguards and
limousines to unfairly cut short the intoxicating experience.

The important turning point in her life actually occurred a few years after her husband
was injured. She describes an incident where her young, hyperactive son picked up a
loaded handgun from the seat of a friend's car. Never having been taught about
guns, the youngster began to wave it around like a toy. Upon realizing their narrow
escape from disaster, something snaps inside Sarah Brady.

A person from a rural area might have decided to teach gun safety classes to
families and young people. Brady's background in Washington politics probably
explains why she chose to advocate restrictive laws and more government control of
society. She instinctively decided to dedicate her life to gun control and soon joined
HCI as a spokesperson.

She apparently felt right at home. Her choice of words indicates her complete
acceptance of the antigun faith. She is always careful to say that people are killed
by guns rather than with guns, as if guns are beings with minds of their own. She
also reveals her lack of knowledge about guns with statements like: ...Saturday
Night Specials, which are used almost exclusively for crime.

Brady offers some interesting details about the inner workings of the antigun lobby.
She portrays them as terribly overmatched by the giant NRA, but deliberately omits
the fact that the elite media was universally supportive of the antigun movement. This
resulted in an essentially level playing field, making for some interesting strategies 
to
change public opinion and influence votes in Congress.

A perfect example is the brilliantly cynical decision to destroy the friendly 
relationship
that had long existed between the NRA and the law enforcement community. The
folks at HCI seized on the completely bogus issue of cop killer bullets which had
never killed a cop, but made a perfect political weapon.

Law enforcement leaders saw it as an important symbolic issue. The NRA saw
serious practical problems with the legislation. It also went against their sense of
propriety to support a law that accomplished nothing beyond adding another layer to
the growing pile of restrictive laws that were bedeviling honest gun owners.

The HCI strategy was a complete success and the rift between the NRA and law
enforcement has still not been fully repaired.

Brady discusses the Assault Weapon Ban in a way that gives some insight into her
thinking. Criminals were never affected by the ban and the firearms industry soon
found ways around the law, yet she is still proud of her victory. Apparently what she
really cares about is conducting a good fight.

The fact that Brady and her husband suffered in such a public way tended to insulate
her from some of 

[CTRL] IRAQ SUED BY OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING SURVIVORS

2002-03-23 Thread Steve Wingate

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Mar 14, 2002 Contact: Press Office 202-646-5172

IRAQ SUED BY OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING SURVIVORS

Judicial Watch Complaint Details Iraq’s Means, Opportunity and Motive

Action Brought Under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1587.shtml

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates
and prosecutes government corruption, said today that it has filed suit against
the Republic of Iraq on behalf of 14 survivors of the April 19, 1995 bombing of
the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, OK. Judicial Watch’s co-counsel in this
matter are John Michael Johnston, Esq. of Oklahoma City, and Jay D. Adkisson,
Esq. of Irvine, California.

The complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia,
is brought against Iraq, as a State Department designated terrorism sponsor,
under the provisions of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of
1996, which addresses state sponsored terrorism and has a specific provision
for retroactive application. Judicial Watch and its clients contend that other
individuals, in addition to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were involved in
the preparation for and execution of the attack on the Murrah Building. These
individuals were operating as agents of the Republic of Iraq and took an active
part in the planning, technical and/or financial activities of the bombing
plot. The complaint details the involvement and complicity of Iraq by both
direct and circumstantial evidence in classic application, i.e., means,
opportunity, and motive.

The complaint, a copy of which can be found on the Internet by clicking HERE,
cites reporting from Philippine intelligence and law enforcement sources
concerning meetings between convicted Murrah Building bombing accomplice Terry
Nichols and Ramzi Youssef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center
bombing, during Nichols’ travel to the Philippines between 1990 and 1994.
Additional evidence obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveals
Interpol’s efforts to apprehend two additional Oklahoma City bombing suspects
and information in the agency’s files associating Ramzi Youssef with the
attack.

“It’s time the whole story about the Oklahoma City bombing is revealed, and
that justice is done for the Iraqi’s state sponsorship of that brutal attack on
American citizens,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry
Klayman.

“The survivors of the Murrah Building bombing and the people of Oklahoma City
have waited a long time for the whole, unvarnished truth to come out concerning
this horrific plot, and they won’t rest until that’s accomplished,” added
attorney Mike Johnston.


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plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being
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[CTRL] It Takes an Idiot

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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From
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/03/22/steele.htm

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It Takes A Village Idiot (to destroy a family)
by Edgar J. Steele
Published 03. 22. 2002 at 8:16 PST
xxx
Meet Yinka and Vanessa Fasinro. They are a couple like any you might know. They
live in North Carolina, often characterized as a bastion of conservative living. Take a
few minutes and walk along with me in their shoes. The ones they are wearing right
now - today. Learn how their lives are being vandalized at this very minute by our -
that's as in yours and my - legal system. This is just another in a flood of CPS
nightmare stories washing through American society.

The more I write in this area, the angrier I become. Read the rest of this piece. 
You'll
be mad as hell, too - I promise. But, it will be good for you - I promise that, too.

These parents' first mistake was in using a leftist (i.e., it takes a village to 
raise a
child) pediatrician who got them into the system. this guy has done it to many
others, I guarantee you. Many of those referrals to CPS (called DSS in North
Carolina), too, were baseless and ended up in the parents' favor. That doctor does
not share the department's immunity. A couple of lawsuits by parents will reign him in
pretty quickly. I'm sure there is a local parents' rights group there; they should 
pursue
this sort of thing independently by keeping lists of these doctors and checking them
twice.

Those parents' rights groups should also cull out the true rogue CPS workers who
appear in case after case of truly abusive conduct by the state and help to fund
federal Title VII suits against both the departments and those rogue agents; their
immunity doesn't stretch to that venue, you see.

The second mistake was in letting the first agent in the door without a search
warrant. They should have made her stand on the porch, then brought the child to
the window and shown it to her. Then they should have called their lawyer and gotten
the name of a good CPS lawyer that would come to their house immediately.

I'm not sure how draconian North Carolina is, but it sounds about on a par with
Colorado and Oregon. If so, then their third mistake was in not, that first night,
packing the car and moving out of the state permanently. I'm not kidding about this.
No, it is not an overreaction. It is simple self preservation.

It is easy to hire a moving company to come in and pack up all your remaining
belongings and ship them to you. It is easy to have a real estate agent peddle your
house. Jobs are easy to find. So are new friends. It is a literal stake driven into 
your
heart to have your child taken away.

The fifth mistake was in not having a CPS- savvy lawyer present at the house for the
next encounter.

They avoided the fourth mistake of not having another doctor immediately examine
and report the child normal, though that seems to have been lost on the judge; doubt
that it will be lost on an appellate court, however. If they ever get the kid back,
ultimately it will likely be because they had the good sense to do this one thing.

Thus far, note how little involvement there really is by a lawyer, who is propped up
simply as a scare tactic. Up to this point, this is how parents win their cases.by
making sure they don't become casesand, it is the easiest and cheapest way, by
far, to win these Attack-of- the-Snatch'n'Sell-Child-Nazi cases.

Now, however, the Fasinros are deep in the bowels of the system, with the only way
out being to bow, scrape, say Yassuh, mastuh, at every turn and jump through
every impossible hoop set out by the system. To do otherwise is to tweak the nose of
these impudent bureaucratic nazis, which causes them to mark you for termination of
parental rights.

Oh, did I forget to mention selling everything you own to pay for the lawyers?

Silly me. I also forgot to mention that you might end up facing several years in prison
on trumped-up charges of child neglect.

And guess who gets a bill for the state's involvement?

By the time people realize what's at stake, it is already too late.

Problem is, in these custody cases, the state holds all the cards... and they have
stacked the deck... and they are dealing from the bottom. Not that they need to, with
all those aces stashed up their sleeve.

The rules of evidence do not apply. You are forced to deal only with the documents
and witnesses the state provides. You have no right to conduct any sort of
investigation. You have no right to have your child independently examined, once
they seize him or her. A judge sits in sole judgment, without a jury. The proceedings
are conducted in secret, away from the public eye. You are literally guilty until 
proven
innocent. Problem is, there is never any way to prove your innocence.

To think that so many talking media heads have made so much about Bush the
Second's military tribunals for foreign nationals, when our legal system already treats
some of our solidest citizens in far worse fashion!


[CTRL] Vigilante police (1 of ? stories)

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

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From
http://www.sierratimes.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=2topic=352

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This sort of thing is becoming much too common in cities all over the nation and it is
totally outrageous. These Rambo wannabes need the book thrown at them and do
some serious jail time. John Law is not above the law!

--Henrietta

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/2002/03/17/news/local/
2875060.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Police abuse was overlooked
Review shows 293 allegations of wrongdoing, few penalties
BY JOSEPH TANFANI AND DAVID KIDWELL
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Long before federal authorities arrested 14 Miami police officers on corruption and
coverup charges, the department's own investigators had received at least 293
allegations of beatings, thefts and other misconduct against them -- more than twice
the average of other Miami officers, a Herald investigation shows.

Some suspects told of pistol-whippings, bloodied heads and broken noses. Others
told of rip-offs, planted drugs and guns held to their heads. One woman said she was
raped.

But the department's internal affairs investigators and police brass cleared the
officers in case after case, even when independent witnesses or physical evidence
bolstered the charges and cast doubt on the officers' stories, according to a Herald
review of hundreds of department files, court records and dozens of interviews.

Even when some were caught lying, officers escaped serious consequences.

Instead, Miami police brass applauded them for their aggressiveness in nabbing
criminals and handed them choice assignments on hard-charging units such as
street narcotics and SWAT, where they became involved in more suspicious
shootings, beatings and allegations of wrongdoing.

''Maybe we did a lousy job disciplining these cases,'' said Miami Police Chief Raúl
Martinez, acknowledging his department's failures. We have to do a better job
putting these cases together.''

The high price of that failure is now coming due.

A federal grand jury has issued sweeping indictments, charging the officers with
shooting unarmed suspects, and lying and planting guns in a conspiracy to cover up
their actions.

The shootings resulted in four deaths.

Though 14 were indicted, two officers -- John Mervolion and William Hames -- have
already pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against their colleagues.

Miami taxpayers will pay $3.75 million to settle two of the cases, and more
settlements worth millions of dollars are being negotiated in other civil suits.

''A small clique of police officers came into the department in the early 1980s, a
criminal element sneaked through and some of them have risen high enough so they
can protect each other,'' said H.T. Smith, a community activist and lawyer who has
sued the department in other shooting cases.

''They had to be protected at the top,'' he said. Every police chief during that 
period
needs to answer that question, because as far as I'm concerned the blood of some
of these people that were killed is on their hands.''

Said Martinez, the police chief: I have seen no evidence of protection, but I 
certainly
understand why people perceive it. Obviously, these officers have lied, and some of
them were good at it.

We've been trying for the past year and a half to shore up our problems.''

Lawyers for the officers defend them as hard-working, aggressive cops who took on
Miami's roughest criminals and generated unfounded complaints as a result. They
say the Herald's findings are unfair.

''Of course they are going to have more allegations made against them. They are
working in the most confrontational of circumstances -- SWAT and street narcotics,''
said Roy Kahn, lawyer for indicted Sgt. José Acuña.

Some of the 14 officers had records less tarnished than others, and not all were
accused of lying. But repeated allegations of lies, brutality and thefts dogged some of
these officers for a decade or more:

GUN ALLEGATIONS

Officer most tied to shootings charged

• Arturo Beguiristain had 16 internal affairs complaints and was involved in eight
shootings -- the most shootings of anyone in the department. Twice, independent
witnesses came forward and said they saw him beating suspects; both times,
internal investigators said the charges couldn't be proved or disproved.

Beguiristain never faced more than a reprimand. Instead, his personnel file is stuffed
with accolades and he won the department's Medal of Honor for shooting and killing
an armed bank robber on Biscayne Boulevard.

He now stands accused by federal authorities of helping to plant guns in three
suspicious shootings, including the 1996 SWAT raid that killed 73-year-old Richard
Brown. In that drug raid gone wrong, police fired 123 shots indiscriminately and
wounded one of their own officers.

Beguiristain himself fired 30 shots.

''They are aggressive,'' said Richard Sharpstein, who represents Beguiristain and
Officer Jorge Castello. That doesn't upset the citizenry, 

[CTRL] Some Secrets are Better Dead than Alive.

2002-03-23 Thread Steve Wingate

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Marcus Licineus Crassus In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely
wealthy man, Marcus Licineus Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an
idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of
the fire brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race
to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on
the spot for a tiny fraction of it's worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves
would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the
building to burn to the ground. By means of this device, Crassus eventually
came to be the largest single private landholder in Rome, and used some of his
wealth to help back Julius Caesar against Cicero.

In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on what
Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no intentions of
enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a plan.

Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Sparticus in order to strike terror

into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Sparticus had already defeated in
battle. But Sparticus had no intention of marching on Rome itself, a move he
knew to be suicidal. Sparticus and his band wanted nothing to do with the Roman

empire and had planned from the start merely to loot enough money from their
former owners in the Italian countryside to hire a mercenary fleet in which to
sail to freedom.

Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Sparticus to do. He needed a
convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal political

gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without Sparticus, then
positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Sparticus had no choice but to
march on Rome.

Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators, Rome
declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Sparticus' army and even though
Pompeii took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the following year.



With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of government.

Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of Crassus, Pompeii, and
Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like Emperors of Rome.

The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule

of Emperors.

Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary
accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar,
claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal vast right wing
conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government
was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the
Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance

as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected
and granted extraordinary powers.

Adolph Hitler What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing.
Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living

with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero,
Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But

their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They
staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler
made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and
terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers.

The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the
rule of Der Fuhrer.

The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely

rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The
Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they
wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to
leave no other choice.

Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have
no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in.

William Randolph Hearst In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William
Randolph Hearst's New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in
Cuba. Hearst is reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to
photograph the coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war

that might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, You take the photographs,
and I will provide the war. Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper
published stories of great atrocities being committed against the Cuban people,

most of which turned out to be complete fabrications.

On the night of February 15, 1898, the USS Maine, lying in Havana harbor in a
show of US resolve to protect her interests, exploded violently. Captain
Sigsbee, the commander of the Maine, urged that no assumptions of enemy attack
be made until there was a full 

[CTRL] Bondo for Bond?

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

From
http://books.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4375624,00.html

}}}Begin
How does Bond keep it up?

Ian Fleming's sadistic, snobbish Cold War tales are the latest Penguin Modern
Classics - and the secret of their success lies in the way they anticipated the world 
of
bin Laden

Christopher Hitchens
Sunday March 17, 2002
The Observer

There are many reasons for the immense adhesiveness of the 007 classics, and one
of these reasons is certainly the loving attention paid to what we now term the
'designer' aspect of culture: the brand name and logo and product-placement
element that, nowadays so pervasive as to be wanting in any sort of style, was quite
a daring refreshment in the post-austerity 1950s.

And, like the famous gadgetry dreamed up for him by Q, Commander Bond was
'designed' in his turn, as a lone hero of 'the West'. Not for Fleming the moral
ambiguities and shady compromises of a Graham Greene or John le Carré agent:
the West was coterminous with the Free World and that was - with a few very
occasional moments of chivalrous doubt - that. Every line that he composed was
either overt or subliminal propaganda for the great contest with communism, and all
of the subordinate themes, from racism to sadism, were ancillary to it.

The novels were written, and sometimes set, in the Caribbean. Indeed, Fleming
annexed the blunt name James Bond from the author of the principal guide to
Caribbean ornithology. He even approached his Jamaican summer-home neighbour,
Sir Noël Coward, to play the part of Dr No in the first Saltzman-Broccoli movie
extravaganza: Coward's icy plea of other business must have been quite something
to behold, as indeed, would have been his rendition of the role.

The West Indian archipelago is important here because it was one of the few regions
of the globe where British imperial pre-eminence still rivalled that of the emergent
United States. Ian Fleming was a 'special- relationship' man by necessity, because of
the imperatives of anti-communism. (During the Second World War, he visited
Washington for British naval intelligence and composed a long memorandum on the
means by which London could help the Americans establish their own secret
agencies.)

But, like many with connections to 'the Service', he was by no means a special-
relationship man from the cultural point of view. Bond reacts with infuriated disgust
when Tatiana Romanova compares his good looks to those of an American film star
('For God's sake. That's the worst insult you can pay a man!') and, in a little-
remembered story entitled 'The Quantum of Solace', is sympathetic to the Cuban
rebels whose cause he has been sent to sabotage.

A compromise is eventually reached by way of Bond's gruff affection for the brash
CIA man, Felix Leiter, but it is generally to be understood that British resolve, pluck
and integrity are worth far more than their equivalent weight in Yankee cash and
technology. (General Vozdvishensky, in the course of the great conference of
conspirators that opens From Russia With Love, is of the same expert opinion.)
Thus, when Bond rescues the ingot-lined vaults of Fort Knox from contamination at
the close of Goldfinger, he is beating the Americans not just at their own game but
on their own turf.

Incidentally, or perhaps coincidentally, the American millionairess who married Lord
Curzon - at the height of matrimonial alliances between such English dynasties as
the Churchills and such American families as the Vanderbilts and Astors - was
named Mary Leiter. It's therefore rather fitting that Sir Anthony Eden should have
taken refuge in Fleming's Jamaican home at Goldeneye, to try to recuperate after
Washington had essentially pulled the plug on British imperialism at Suez in 1956.

Surviving this debacle, Fleming paid another visit to Washington in 1960, met the up-
and-coming presidential nominee John F. Kennedy, and proposed to him various
schemes for the elimination of Fidel Castro. By March 1961, Life magazine was
reporting that From Russia With Love was number nine on the new boy- President's
top 10 list of favourite books.

The staying power of the books, especially of these three classics, is, however, partly
and paradoxically attributable to their departure from standard Cold War imagery.
Bond confronts not just the unsleeping evil of Moscow-directed communism, but also
a metastasised sub-species of monsters in human form who are, in some sense, in
business on their own account. This is the case most obviously with Dr No and Auric
Goldfinger, but it applies also to the psychopathic killer Donovan Grant in From
Russia With Love. He is a twisted former Sinn Feiner who fails all his party exams in
ideological matters and is eventually classified as 'Political value Nil. Operational
value Excellent'. By some latent intuition, Fleming was able to peer beyond the Cold
War limitations of mere spy fiction and to anticipate the emerging milieu of the
Colombian cartels, Osama bin Laden and, 

[CTRL] Slavery As We Know It

2002-03-23 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.sciam.com/2002/0402issue/0402bales.html

}}}Begin
The Social Psychology of Modern Slavery

Contrary to conventional wisdom, slavery has not disappeared from the world. Social
scientists are trying to explain its persistence

By Kevin Bales

...
SUBTOPICS
The New Slavery

Free Your Mind Instead

Plausible Deniability

Forty Acres and a Mule

MORE TO EXPLORE

RELATED LINKS


Image: CRAIG CHIVERS AP Photo

BRAZIL: Maria Rodrigues Ferreira Rocha, mother of Jefferson (seated) and Marta,
works at a charcoal kiln in Grao Mogol. She says she has been a slave since age
five.
For Meera, the revolution began with a single rupee. When a social worker came
across Meera's unmapped village in the hills of Uttar Pradesh in India three years
ago, he found that the entire population was in hereditary debt bondage. It could
have been in the time of their grandfathers or great-grandfathers--few in the village
could remember- -but at some point in their past, the families had pledged
themselves to unpaid labor in return for loans of money. The debt passed down
through the generations. Children as young as five years old worked in quarry pits,
making sand by crushing stones with hammers. Dust, flying rock chips and heavy
loads had left many villagers with silicosis and injured eyes or backs.

Calling together some of the women, the social worker proposed a radical plan. If
groups of 10 women agreed to set aside a single rupee a week from the tiny sums
the moneylenders gave them to buy rice, he would provide seed money and keep the
funds safe. Meera and nine others formed the first group. The rupees slowly
mounted up. After three months, the group had enough to pay off the loan against
which Meera was bonded. She began earning money for her work, which greatly
increased the amount she could contribute to the group. In another two months,
another woman was freed; the following month, a third came out of bondage.

At that point, the other members, seeing that freedom was possible, simply
renounced their debts and declared themselves free. The moneylenders quickly
moved against them, threatening them and driving them from the quarries. But the
women were able to find jobs in other quarries. New groups followed their example.
The social worker has taken me to the village twice, and on my second visit, all its
inhabitants were free and all their children in school.

Less than 100 kilometers away, the land turns flat and fertile. Debt bondage is
common there, too. When I met Baldev in 1997, he was plowing. His master called
him my halvaha, meaning my bonded plowman. Two years later I met Baldev
again and learned that because of a windfall from a relative, he had freed himself
from debt. But he had not freed himself from bondage. He told me:

After my wife received this money, we paid off our debt and were free to do whatever
we wanted. But I was worried all the time--what if one of the children got sick? What
if our crop failed? What if the government wanted some money? Since we no longer
belonged to the landlord, we didn't get food every day as before. Finally, I went to 
the
landlord and asked him to take me back. I didn't have to borrow any money, but he
agreed to let me be his halvaha again. Now I don't worry so much; I know what to do.

Lacking any preparation for freedom, Baldev reenrolled in slavery. Without financial
or emotional support, his accidental emancipation didn't last. Although he may not
bequeath any debt to his children, his family is visibly worse off than unbonded
villagers in the same region.

To many people, it comes as a surprise that debt bondage and other forms of slavery
persist into the 21st century. Every country, after all, has made it illegal to own and
exercise total control over another human being. And yet there are people like
Baldev who remain enslaved--by my estimate, which is based on a compilation of
reports from governments and nongovernmental organizations, perhaps 27 million of
them around the world. If slaveholders no longer own slaves in a legal sense, how
can they still exercise so much control that freed slaves sometimes deliver
themselves back into bondage? This is just one of the puzzles that make slavery the
greatest challenge faced by the social sciences today. Despite being among the
oldest and most persistent forms of human relationships, found in most societies at
one time or another, slavery is little understood. Although historians have built up a
sizable literature on antebellum American slavery, other types have barely been
studied. It is as if our understanding of all arachnids were based on clues left by a
single species of extinct spider. In our present state of ignorance, we have little 
hope
of truly eradicating slavery, of making sure that Meera, rather than Baldev, becomes
the model.



Image: ALEXANDER NEMENOV AFP Photo

MACEDONIA: Tanja, age 24, sits in a refugee center in Skopje. She escaped from
prostitution after ethnic 

Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] opposition to Israel

2002-03-23 Thread thew

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on 3/23/02 4:30 PM, Euphorian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Can't wait for the nationa of Atzlan and the various other indigenous groups
 to
 understand how easy it is.

They can try. They can court world opinion, and if they get the UN and the
people who own the land, as the British did British, they can have a
homeland.


Free your mind and your ass will follow.
   St George


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[CTRL] SNET: What Constitution?????? (fwd)

2002-03-23 Thread William Bacon

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visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904
for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto:
http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html

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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:45:14 EST
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APRIL 15th - ‘Tis the season for paranoia, fear and strife for millions of
American's who have yet to hear the good news.
If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal
meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no
gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big
corporations, or the poor; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; No
NAFTA, GATT, or fast-track; no arrogant federal judges usurping states
rights; no attacks on private property; no income tax. We could get rid of
most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the
budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited. - Congressman
Ron Paul (R-14-TX)
Taxes cost Americans more than food, clothing, and shelter combined; an
average in excess of $10,000 for every man, woman, and child in the nation.
Some people do owe income tax. If you are a federal employee, you owe income
tax. That's why they call it FEDERAL INCOME TAX. Do you receive or earn
federal income? If not, then you do not owe FEDERAL INCOME TAX. Do you live
on a federal reservation? If not, then you do not owe FEDERAL INCOME TAX. Do
you live within a 10 mile radius of the Capitol in Washington D.C.? If not,
then you do not owe FEDERAL INCOME TAX. Do you live within any of the federal
territories such as Guam, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, or Puerto Rico? If
not, then you do not owe FEDERAL INCOME TAX. Unless you derive income from
the federal government, you do not owe FEDERAL INCOME TAX.
The 16th Amendment does not authorize laying of an income tax upon one
person for the income derived solely from another. [wages] McCutchin v.
Commissioner of IRS, 159 F2d.
Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many
citizens, because of their respect for what only appears to be law, are
cunningly coerced into waving their rights due to ignorance. - U.S. Supreme
Court in U.S. v. Minker, 350 U.S. 179, 187.
Despite the governments fraud and implementation of illegal taxation, it has
become a monumental horror to the Sovereign People. There are taxes on
payroll, personal property, pensions, severance, Social Security,
corporation, stock transfer, tobacco, tonnage, transportation, utilities,
accumulated earnings, ad-valorem, alcoholic beverages, amusements, apparel,
business, capital gains, consumption, corporate income, dividends,
employment, estate, excise, franchises, fuel, furnishings, gas, sales, gift,
gross receipts, health care, holding company, income, inheritance, land,
license, life insurance, luxuries, motor oil, motor vehicle, occupation,
operators license, and the list goes on and on.
This practice continues today with the Gestapo agents, IRS and the courts,
making martyrs out of innocent people. The American people have lost total
control of their government. The old frog in water story applies here. If you
place a frog in a pot of cold water, and very gradually raise the heat to a
boil, he won't notice the difference; a painless execution.
132 million Taxpayers CAN tell 435 Congressman, 100 Senators and 1 President
WHAT TO DO!
If the People Will Lead, The Leaders Will Follow. Make April 15th just
another great spring day. It will not happen without you!
We have been told by members of Congress, the Supreme Court, the Internal
Revenue, and tax experts and researchers, that the Income Tax is a hoax and
unconstitutional, yet FEAR dominates enforced by DICTATORSHIP.
At this time I would like for you to read below the wisdom and truth spoken
by Sherry Peel Jackson. Then and only then, you must be the one to decide if
you have the courage to withdraw from the fraudulent tax scheme imposed by
the federal government.

Â
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CLOSING COMMENTS -
Ladies and Gentlemen:
My name is Sherry Peel Jackson. I became a Certified Public Accountant in
1987, I was an Internal Revenue Agent in the Atlanta District for 7 years,
and I became a Certified Fraud Examiner in 2001. I am here to summarize the
tales of ignorance and deception that you have heard over the last two days
and I am here to inform you of the state of the nation so that you may choose
your next course of action.
You have heard the truth of how the Internal Revenue Service, Department of
Justice, Federal Reserve and politicians have perpetuated this smoke and
mirrors - dog and pony show on you the American people for over 88 years. You
have heard of American families devastated by the invasion of privacy and
unbridled fear placed upon them through threats of liens, levy's and even
jail time. In my 

[CTRL] Indigenous Sovereignty

2002-03-23 Thread Party of Citizens

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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, thew wrote:

 on 3/23/02 4:30 PM, Euphorian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Can't wait for the nationa of Atzlan and the various other indigenous groups
  to
  understand how easy it is.

 They can try. They can court world opinion, and if they get the UN and the
 people who own the land, as the British did British, they can have a
 homeland.

It actually is very easy and we may see the First, First Nation liberated,
here in BC. The Haida Nation is going to court to claim the entire Queen
Charlotte Islands. Look that up on your maps. If they lose in BC-Canadian
courts, maybe they can go on to an international court.

POC

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[CTRL] Fw: [drugnews] USA : Corruption of the Judicial System

2002-03-23 Thread Joshua Tinnin

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- Original Message -
From: Peter Webster vignes@...


   From: Coast Writers Syndicate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Corruption of the Judicial System

This report should be read all the way through. The last incident (southern
California) incident didn't seem to make it to the local papers -- certainly
not as reported by Skousen. Judging by our coverage of the trumped-up
persecution of Carol Mardeusz in Sonoma  Marin counties, there is every
reason to believe this account as reported by Skousen.

Coast Writers Syndicate

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SPECIAL REPORT: CORRUPTION OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM

WORLD AFFAIRS BRIEF
December 21, 2001
Copyright Joel M. Skousen
Partial Quotations with attribution permitted.
Cite source as Joel Skousen's World Affairs Brief
(http://www.joelskousen.com)

Of the three branches of the federal government, the most important, in
terms of preserving liberty, is the federal judiciary. It was designed to
be the ULTIMATE BULWARK AGAINST INJUSTICE. The final resolutions of all
controversies in law and government in America, no matter how small, are
eventually determined by judges. Judges are supposed to enforce the
limitations on lawmaking power upon the other two branches as dictated by
the Constitution. They do not have the power to make law, but to strike
down unconstitutional legislation and edicts of the executive branch.

Of the three branches, the judiciary is supposed to be the most impartial
and the least political, since its members are not directly elected by the
people. SADLY, ALMOST ALL CONSTITUTIONAL SAFEGUARDS AND RESTRAINTS ON
JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT ARE NOW DEAD. For decades, until just this year,
Federal judges were nominated, unconstitutionally, by the American Bar
Association (ABA), an organization controlled by a committee of
left-leaning, anti-constitutional attorneys. As of this year, nominations
once again publicly come from the President, but the ABA still maintains
its control through key allies in the Bush Justice Department. Judges are
confirmed by the Senate in a very politicized process as well, also
controlled by the ABA. The result is that, regardless of the party in
power, the vast majority of judges who are confirmed are strongly liberal.
Although a small percentage of judges are conservative, these judges have a
reliable track record of taking orders from higher judges when
necessary-thus, their conservative leanings are easily overridden. Despite
increasing public evidence of judicial misconduct, Congress has refused to
invoke the constitutional remedy of impeachment to remove a judge, at least
for many, many years. State watchdog agencies remove, on average, only 10
judges a year, compared to the approximately 10,000 cases of alleged abuse
reported annually-and most abuse is never even reported.

There are two types of corruption with judges: INDIVIDUAL CORRUPTION and
SYSTEMATIC, OR INSTITUTIONALIZED, CORRUPTION. The only type you will ever
see evidenced in the media is the individual or rogue type of corruption.
The Powers That Be want you to believe that the judicial system is above
reproach, an honored profession, and that only an isolated judge here and
there would be caught taking a personal bribe, or bending the law to
protect crime. The same is true regarding the woefully corrupt police
system: the establishment only admits to the occasional rogue cop, never to
systematic corruption. But strangely, even rogue judges-blight that they
are on the sterling reputation of the courts-usually receive only a token
slap on the hands, and they almost NEVER SERVE JAIL TIME. This is because
the bribe they were caught taking is usually only the tip of the iceberg,
if they are part of a broader conspiracy to protect government illegal
operations. The PTB in the Justice Department work overtime to make sure
the systematic corruption and collusion of these judges is kept hidden so
as not to expose the broader and deeper conspiracy for government
control-of which judges form an integral part. The judges who do get harsh
punishment, sadly, are usually the rare few who obstinately refuse to go
along with the systematic corruption of the judicial system, and these are
set up in some form of sting operation to remove them for cause.
SIGNIFICANTLY, THERE HAVE BEEN ALMOST NO DEFECTORS FROM THE JUDICIAL RANKS
WHO HAVE ADMITTED TO THE INSTITUTIONALIZED CORRUPTION IN THE SYSTEM. That's
because these judges know exactly what kinds of penalties and threats they
would face if they did so.

One of the most significant ways in which judges aid and abet the
conspiracy within government is to participate in the take down of
federal agents and military personnel who get cold feet about illegal
activities. When the CIA or FBI wants to silence an agent who is
threatening to expose corruption within the dark side of government, they
almost always set him up for prosecution by giving him orders to carry out
a secret operation that, 

Re: [CTRL] German Rights - UK not Left either

2002-03-23 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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this isn't stupidity - it is the careful planning of european fascism.
its like we're in 1936 again but with more streamlined volkswagens and more
efficient nazis.
The same masterplanning for European UberDizney is currently
at work in the UK - the new home office legislation is specifically designed
to destroy the police force and law and order -
they want anarchy and what with maggie thatcher on the verge of death -
maggie the anti-euro rule britannia lady of an age where she is having
severe cardiac problems of a most unexpected nature - just like tonys
predecessor john smith
who upped and died to make way for nobel Tony - maggie the
one hazard to total euro rule in the UK looks about to be silenced.
Tony who would have to be a Toon Town character to survive the drop in
public opinion can only then be replaced by
euro right wing english tories in black boots.

andrew hennessey


 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4380142,00.html

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 German right in uproar as immigration gets easier

 John Hooper in Berlin
 Saturday March 23, 2002
 The Guardian
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