Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets
-Caveat Lector- Are you saying you believe in free speech except for ___(fill in the blank with whatever you oppose)? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets -Caveat Lector- On Thursday, 30 October 2003 7:23 PM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- When it happened to pro-lifers, you said nothing. When it happened to protesters at the Democratic Convention, you said nothing. Let's see what happens to your complaints. That's productive. IOW, since your pet groups have been persecuted, nobody should be allowed to speak freely. - jt www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pyramid Stuff
-Caveat Lector- Serious Pyramid Stuff, even though tedious number crunching. Black Trinity and Death First to fashion and form the symbol for spiritual Death, that is the sarcophagus in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid at 3,000,000 x 3,000,000 x 10 and square root and /Pi and square root twice is the internal volume of the sarcophagus at 41.68625160 cubic feet. It was the Egyptologist, Sir Flinders Petrie, who measured the partly broken granite sarcophagus in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid with special calipers and gauges using 388 reference points on the outside and 281 points on the inside. And he published the inside measurements as 78.060 x 26.810 x 34.420 inches, which is equivalent to 41.68625161 cubic feet, or 72,033.8427 cubic inches.And I believe that the Ancient Egyptian designer of the most important sarcophagus ever cut from a single block of granite knew the number 3 could form and fashion the internal volume of the sarcophagus, because 3,000,000 squared x 10 and square root and /Pi and square root twice is 41.68625161 cubic feet.Please note, there are no inscriptions or adornments on the sarcophagus and there is no lid on the sarcophagus. And Sir Gardner Wilkinson commented and said, "...and it may be doubted whether the body of the king was really deposited in the sarcophagus."The Black Trinity consists of the three demonic frogs which come from out of the mouths of the Bibles Dragon, Beast and False Prophet, and frogs symbolized by the fleur de lis. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Book of Revelations 16:13-16The reference number for the Dragon is 322 + the Beasts 933 + the False Prophets 515 is 1,770 or three frogs at 590 each. And the cycle of the Moon in the Underworld is 354 days or 6 x 59 days, and so the Moon, the Bibles symbol for the Ruler of Darkness shows 6 frogs per one cycle, and one frog at 59 is the number reference for the Pharaohs insignia of the serpent goddess of Delta Egypt at 17 + the vulture goddess of Upper Egypt at 42. Thus the Pharaohs insignia represents the Ruler of Darkness. And Darkness is seen in the speed of gravity (the grave) at 177,000 miles per second. Thus the Black Trinity, or thrice the Frog is represented by the speed of gravity, the Moon, and even the Knight Templars who used the number 59. OK, now the platform area of the Great Pyramid, the worlds First Wonder of the World and the worlds symbol of human death. And the most significant measurement for the Great Pyramid is its foundation area, its platform at 440 x 440 Ancient Egyptian cubits and equivalent to some 755.77350 x 755.77350 feet. And the area of the platform can be formed and fashioned out of the sarcophagus x gravity speed. For the cube root of the internal volume of the sarcophagus at 41.6862516 cubic feet is as 3.4673494 seconds x gravity at 177,000 miles per second is 613,720.85518 miles of gravity. And 3.0e+3246 squared x 10 and square root and /Pi and square root twice is 4.16862516091e+811 (the sarcophagus number) and cube root x 177,000 miles per second is 6.13720855180e+275 miles and squared x 10 and squared thrice x 4 is 1.620295014870e+4421 and square root 9 times and cube root is the mean width of the four base sides of the Great Pyramid at 755.773504 feet or 9069.2820 inches or 440 cubits of 20.6120046 inches. As I said, the internal volume of the sarcophagus x the Black Trinity, the thrice Frog at 177,000 which is gravity speed, forms and fashions the platform area of the Great Pyramid, the 'Platform of Death'. So the Skeptics need to do a bit more fine tuning in their understanding of Ancient Egypt. Phew!John D. MillerPSAnd not forgetting that:Satan came as an angel of light.The velocity of light in a vacuum is some 186,282.4604 miles per second (299,792.56kms). The full volume of the sarcophagus is made up of the internal volume of the sarcophagus at 41.6862516 cubic feet + the granite frame of 40.80 cubic feet (17 x 2.4) at 82.4862516 cubic feet (89.620 x 38.50 x 41.310 inches). And as I did with the internal volume, I cube root the full volume of 82.4862516 cubic feet is 4.3530520 as seconds in time x 186,282.4604 miles per second and squared 10 times and /2 and square root twice is seen internal volume of the sarcophagus at 4.16862516e+1512.So the measurement for internal volume of the sarcophagus in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid (which is of the number 3) can form and fashion itself into the cube root of its full volume x the velocity of light in a vacuum. So Satan, who is
Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets
-Caveat Lector- Don't be absurd. That sounds rather like what you're suggesting, however, or maybe something more like sour grapes. I think a more honorable course of action, if your group or one you agree with is prevented from speaking, would be to work harder to see that everyone can speak freely, including people you disagree with, otherwise you're just a hypocrite when you talk about free speech. Of course there are hypocrites on both sides of issues who only scream free speech when it concerns them. Don't be one. - jt On Saturday, 01 November 2003 12:21 AM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you believe in free speech except for ___(fill in the blank with whatever you oppose)? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 PM On Thursday, 30 October 2003 7:23 PM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- When it happened to pro-lifers, you said nothing. When it happened to protesters at the Democratic Convention, you said nothing. Let's see what happens to your complaints. That's productive. IOW, since your pet groups have been persecuted, nobody should be allowed to speak freely. - jt www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The New Marianne
-Caveat Lector- The Rose Moon Window Marianne Marianne is present everywhere in France and holds a place of honor in town halls and law courts. She symbolizes the Triumph of the Republic, a bronze sculpture overlooking Place de la Nation in Paris. Her profile stands out on the official seal of the country. It is engraved on coins and drawn on stamps and banknotes. Marianne is considered as the most prominent depiction of the French Republic. Why a woman and not a man who represents the Republic? A recent discovery has established that the first mention of the name of Marianne to designate the Republic appeared in October 1792. At that time the account made of their exploits by the Revolutionaries often contained a reference to a certain Marianne wearing a Phrygian cap (or Marie-Anne, a popular name in the French countryside then). The name of Marianne also appears to be connected with several Republican secret societies. And so the French Tri-color of blue-white-red, which represents Libert-Egalit-Fraternit, the Republic are One and the person Marianne, are the words that established Republic of France. A French talk-show host called Evelyne Thomas has been chosen as the next Marianne, the symbol of the Republic. She is has a degree in constitutional law and she was elected as the face of modern France by the 400 mayors who make up the Golden Marianne club on November 29th 2003. OK, the number reference for Marianne from a number crunchers point of view is 127 for the female spirit I call the feman in all human women compared to the man spirit at 126 in all male humans, a spirit that is given liberty at death to go down, and some up. Not forgetting that in the late 19th century, the official metric meter was given as 2.54cm per inch, or twice Marianne at 1.27 + 1.27 the reference number for Sarah, Abrahams wife, the mother of kings. And 127 x 4 is 508, the reference I say is that of the Devil. Now given to Marianne is a black robe of Darkness, thanks to the 18th century secret society that is the number 177, the Black Trinity, (the Biblical Dragon, Beast and False Prophet) the thrice French Frog. And Marianne at 1.27 x 1.77 and cubed twice is 1,465.523 and 14,655,238.4 square miles is the area of the Moon at a diameter of 2159.83963 miles (3,476km). Thus Marianne clothed in Gravity that is Darkness, that is the Moon in the Underworld, reveals the area of the Moon above the Earth. Yet Marianne is found in the most famous Gothic Rose Window in the world, the Rose Window of the French Chartres Cathedral, at some 43.8932 feet (13.36m) in diameter. The Rose Window comes out of the side of the Great Pyramid at 440 cubits, in that 4.4000e+11 x Pi thrice and square root thrice is 43.8932 feet. (Thanks to the influence of the Bernard of Clairvaux, friend of the Knights Templar, the thrice French Frog at 59 x 3). And the eagle at 44 x Pi 4 times is 4,286.05. And so the Rose Window is formed and fashioned out of the eagles wings of the base area of the symbol of Death the Great Pyramid. And so Marianne at Liberty 1,270 + Equality 1,270 + Brotherhood 1,270 when dressed for war, that is wearing the helm which symbolized falcons mask of the Ancient Egyptian god Horus + 61 + 61and robed in Black Trinity (the Frog) that of the grave, at 177 + 177 is 4,286 and /Pi 4 times is 44, that of the foundation of Death. And the foundation of Death at 440 reveals the Rose Window of Marianne, her of the Moon. Clever those French. John D. Miller www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets
-Caveat Lector- The pro-life movement, specifically the Pro-Life Action League and Joe Schiedler, did all the way to the Supreme Court where they won. It took many, many years, much personal sacrifice and much money. Many other groups came in as friends of the court when they saw their right to free speech could be affected. Get started. Where were you when the Rico case against them was started? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets -Caveat Lector- Don't be absurd. That sounds rather like what you're suggesting, however, or maybe something more like sour grapes. I think a more honorable course of action, if your group or one you agree with is prevented from speaking, would be to work harder to see that everyone can speak freely, including people you disagree with, otherwise you're just a hypocrite when you talk about free speech. Of course there are hypocrites on both sides of issues who only scream free speech when it concerns them. Don't be one. - jt On Saturday, 01 November 2003 12:21 AM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you believe in free speech except for ___(fill in the blank with whatever you oppose)? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 PM On Thursday, 30 October 2003 7:23 PM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- When it happened to pro-lifers, you said nothing. When it happened to protesters at the Democratic Convention, you said nothing. Let's see what happens to your complaints. That's productive. IOW, since your pet groups have been persecuted, nobody should be allowed to speak freely. - jt www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Arsonist Burns Peace Activists' Home
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Received at Portside Arsonist Burns Peace Activists' Home By Matthew Rothschild Editor, The Progressive Cindy Hunter and her husband, Sam Nickels, opposed Bush's war against Iraq. For the last seven months, we've been putting up a sign on our property, says Hunter, a professor of social work at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia. At first, the sign expressed the hope that the war could be avoided. Then, says Hunter, they changed the sign to list the number of casualties, which they periodically updated, and sometimes to list the number of weapons of mass destruction found, which was always zero. Hunter says the signs provoked a lot of good dialogue. But that's not all. People would come by at night every few weeks or so and break our sign up, she says. And one time last spring we had eggs tossed against our house, which is a few blocks from campus. To spare the sign, they decided to bring it up on their porch. About two months ago, I attached it to a wood column on the porch, thinking it might be less offensive and more out of the way. I calculated badly on that one, says Nickels, who teaches Spanish in a local middle school. Nickels says the final sign they had on their porch read: 8,109 Iraqi civilians. 6,000-plus U.S. wounded. 345 U.S. and British soldiers. At 4:50 a.m. on October 20, Hunter and Nickels were asleep. So were their three children, ages 7, 8, and 11. And so was Adama Sow, a 30-year-old refugee from Mauritania, who was living upstairs. Our smoke alarm went off, and my husband I got out of bed and saw smoke and got the kids out and our roommate out, Hunter says. It was immediately clear to me that the sign had burned because the only fire you could see was on the right front of the house where the sign used to be. The fire department, from the very beginning, investigated it as a case of arson. The sign had somewhat of a political message on it, Harrisonburg Fire Chief Larry Shifflett told the Daily News-Record. It appears somebody may have set that sign on fire. The fire department has since confirmed this hunch. We have ruled out the accidental causes of the fire, says Arthur Miller, a captain with the fire department. We have determined that the sign was intentionally set on fire, and that the fire spread to the living quarters of the house. Hunter says the fire cost about $50,000 in damage. The whole upstairs of our house was charred, and the firemen made a hole in the roof. The family won't be able to return for six months, says Hunter. We lost the kinds of things you carry with you your whole life: papers you wrote in school, or clothes my mom saved for me and I've saved for my grandchildren, says Hunter. But she's just grateful her family and roommate got out safely. The reaction from the campus and the Harrisonburg community has been fantastic, Hunter says. On the evening after the fire, 70 or 80 people came to our house and held a candlelight vigil to support us and to express the outrage that someone would burn our house and put our lives in danger for a political sign, she says. Residents have also offered material support to the family, as well. Students have collected gift certificates, many local restaurants have donated meals, and storage facilities have offered us free space, she says. On October 22, the Daily News-Record, which is a conservative paper, wrote a strong editorial entitled Arson Assault. It said: The arson at the home of an anti-war Harrisonburg couple was outrageous and must be condemned not only by those who believe in the First Amendment, but also by all those who believe in decency and humanity. The harassment of the Harrisonburg couple was appalling. . . . Violence and vandalism used to intimidate are not only criminal and cowardly, but profoundly un-American. On October 28,
[CTRL] Fwd: One, two, three, what are they fighting for?
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- The Independent (UK) October 24, 2003 One, two, three, what are they fighting for? By Robert Fisk The worst problem facing US forces in Iraq may not be armed resistance but a crisis of morale. Robert Fisk reports on a near- epidemic of indiscipline, suicides and loose talk I was in the police station in the town of Fallujah when I realised the extent of the schizophrenia. Captain Christopher Cirino of the 82nd Airborne was trying to explain to me the nature of the attacks so regularly carried out against American forces in the Sunni Muslim Iraqi town. His men were billeted in a former presidential rest home down the road - Dreamland, the Americans call it - but this was not the extent of his soldiers' disorientation. The men we are being attacked by, he said, are Syrian-trained terrorists and local freedom fighters. Come again? Freedom fighters. But that's what Captain Cirino called them - and rightly so. Here's the reason. American soldiers are supposed to believe - indeed have to believe, along with their President and his Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld - that Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'ida guerrillas, pouring over Iraq's borders from Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia (note how those close allies and neighbours of Iraq, Kuwait and Turkey are always left out of the equation), are assaulting United States forces as part of the war on terror. Special forces soldiers are now being told by their officers that the war on terror has been transferred from America to Iraq, as if in some miraculous way, 11 September 2001 is now Iraq 2003. Note too how the Americans always leave the Iraqis out of the culpability bracket - unless they can be described as Baath party remnants, diehards or deadenders by the US proconsul, Paul Bremer. Captain Cirino's problem, of course, is that he knows part of the truth. Ordinary Iraqis - many of them long- term enemies of Saddam Hussein - are attacking the American occupation army 35 times a day in the Baghdad area alone. And Captain Cirino works in Fallujah's local police station, where America's newly hired Iraqi policemen are the brothers and uncles and - no doubt - fathers of some of those now waging guerrilla war against American soldiers in Fallujah. Some of them, I suspect, are indeed themselves the terrorists. So if he calls the bad guys terrorists, the local cops - his first line of defence - would be very angry indeed. No wonder morale is low. No wonder the American soldiers I meet on the streets of Baghdad and other Iraqi cities don't mince their words about their own government. US troops have been given orders not to bad-mouth their President or Secretary of Defence in front of Iraqis or reporters (who have about the same status in the eyes of the occupation authorities). But when I suggested to a group of US military police near Abu Ghurayb they would be voting Republican at the next election, they fell about laughing. We shouldn't be here and we should never have been sent here, one of them told me with astonishing candour. And maybe you can tell me: why were we sent here? Little wonder, then, that Stars and Stripes, the American military's own newspaper, reported this month that one third of the soldiers in Iraq suffered from low morale. And is it any wonder, that being the case, that US forces in Iraq are shooting down the innocent, kicking and brutalising prisoners, trashing homes and - eyewitness testimony is coming from hundreds of Iraqis - stealing money from houses they are raiding? No, this is not Vietnam - where the Americans sometimes lost 3,000 men in a month - nor isthe US army in Iraq turning into a rabble. Not yet. And they remain light years away from the butchery of Saddam's henchmen. But human-rights monitors, civilian occupation officials and journalists - not to mention Iraqis themselves - are
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Yet again, Bush screws the military he claims to love
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. /FONTA HREF=http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511;BClick Here!/B/AFONT COLOR=#99 /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/zgSolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- U.S. bars torture settlement, to ex-POWs' dismay The Bush administration is quietly piling up victories in a legal battle to block payments to 17 U.S. combat veterans who were captured and tortured in the first Gulf War and won a suit against Iraq for nearly a billion dollars. http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-11/106724106865760.xml The Konformist must make a request for donations via Paypal, at Paypal.com. If you can and desire, please feel free to send money to help The Konformist through the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/konformist Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: I NEED 2 KONFORM!!! (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/klubkonformist Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: U.S. Wraps Barbed Wire Around 'Free' Iraq Village
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[CTRL] Bush Hawks Foiled Again (Gordon Prather)
Title: WorldNetDaily: Bush hawks foiled again -Caveat Lector- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35382 This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows. To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35382 Saturday, November 1, 2003 Bush hawks foiled again Posted: November 1, 20031:00 a.m. Eastern By Gordon Prather ©2003WorldNetDaily.com President Bush told United Nations delegates a year ago that "our greatest fear is that terrorists will find a shortcut to their mad ambitions, when an outlaw regime supplies them with the technologies to kill on a massive scale." What "technologies" did Bush have in mind? Nukes, of course. What "outlaw regime" did Bush have in mind? Well, last year, it was Iraq. Bush claimed Iraq had secretly reconstituted its nuke programs and would soon have enough highly enriched uranium to make a nuke or two. Bush demanded that Iraq grant the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency immediate and unfettered access to all "suspect" sites. To the consternation of the neo-crazies who expected Iraq to refuse and thus provide a casus belli Iraq promptly granted the IAEA such access. Iraq insisted it had nothing to hide, that it hadn't even attempted to reconstitute any of its nuke-related programs. The IAEA searched all the "suspect" sites and many more, and reported to the U.N. Security Council in mid-March that the Bush allegations were wrong. Nevertheless, after declaring that it was the IAEA that was wrong and incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial to boot we invaded Iraq. Guess what? It was the CIA that was wrong. The Iraqis had no "weapons of mass destruction." Importantly, what the IAEA reported to the Security Council was the truth. The IAEA is not incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial, after all. Why is that important? Well, look what just happened this month to another "outlaw regime," Iran. Neo-crazies had claimed Iran was secretly producing highly enriched uranium and would soon have enough to make a nuke or two. They loudly demanded that Iran grant the IAEA immediate and unfettered access to all "suspect" sites. Again, to the consternation of the neo-crazies who expected Iran to refuse and thus provide a casus belli Iran promptly granted the IAEA such access. Iran insisted it had nothing to hide and that all activities were consistent with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Furthermore, to the horror of the neo-crazies, representatives of the European Union rushed to Tehran to assure them and declare to the world that in the event the IAEA did give Iran a "clean bill of health," then Iran would not suffer the fate of Iraq. The EU also promised the Iranians that if they subjected themselves to an additional protocol to their IAEA Safeguards Agreement, Russia and EU members would provide Iran access to a wide range of technologies and products, including conventional weapons. Curses! Neo-crazies foiled again! Not only was there to be no Iranian casus belli, but sanctions on Iran which had been unilaterally levied by the United States more than 25 years earlier were to be essentially ignored in the future. In particular, construction by Russia of the nuclear power plants at Bushehr would continue. Worse, the already strong ties between Iran and its neighbor, Russia both already among the top producers and marketers of oil and natural gas were strengthened. Chalk up these perverse results in the war against terrorism or the establishment of an American hegemony over Persian Gulf oil to the hijacking of U.S. foreign policy by neo-crazies in the Pentagon. No need for a superpower to practice diplomacy or have diplomats; if you see something you want, just smash and grab. So, denied a justification for Persian "regime change," what were the neo-crazies to do with their Persian Gulf legions? Well, how about Syria, another "outlaw" regime? Sure. Have the CIA insist that Iraqi WMD had been right where the CIA said they were, right up to the eve of the invasion. Then, have the inarticulate CIA weenie in charge of spy-satellite photography come forward and claim that recent analysis of photos taken on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom showed a lot of truck traffic. "Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of [weapons of
[CTRL] Law Enforcement Information-Sharing Network Rapidly Expanding Using Next-Generation Analytical Technologies
-Caveat Lector- http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK3.storySTORY=/www/story/10-31-2003/0002048678EDATE=FRI+Oct+31+2003,+09:39+AM Law Enforcement Information-Sharing Network Rapidly Expanding Using Next-Generation Analytical Technologies POOLESVILLE, Md., Oct. 31 /PRNewswire/ -- Visual Analytics, Inc. (VAI) recently announced the successful deployment of the Digital Information Gateway (DIG) server-to-multi-server capability to enable law enforcement and homeland defense information-sharing networks. Since the announcement last week, additional participants have joined in -- building rapidly on the success of the recent live demonstration at the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) Conference in Philadelphia, PA. The New Jersey High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) and Data Mining for Law Enforcement (DMLE) have joined the Philadelphia/Camden HIDTA and the Washington-Baltimore HIDTA in using Visual Analytics' DIG and specialized data mining and online data services. The project is in cooperation with the University of Maryland, National Institutes of Justice, University of West Virginia, and the West Virginia State Police. Uniquely, the New Jersey, Philadelphia/Camden, and Washington-Baltimore HIDTAs and DMLE can now access, retrieve, analyze, and collaborate on information from a "Collective Knowledge Base" that includes distributed databases, documents, and web sites simultaneously -- enabling proactive analysis for these safety and law enforcement agencies. Unlike other approaches, which require a centralized data warehouse where all information must be sent, the server to multi-server (S2MS) approach employed by DIG provides a secure, more powerful, maintainable, and cost- effective method for sharing data without the need for supercomputers, recurring costs, or extensive infrastructure expansion. Using DIG, information is always up-to-date, accounting logs can be locally checked, and access granted/denied on a moment's notice. Privacy concerns are virtually eliminated because all control remains with the agency. Furthermore, depending on the needs of the agency, the DIG system can be configured to return the actual data or a pointer-index for positive query results that keeps the actual data secure and hidden while providing a reference to initiate follow-up requests. The number one priority of the Department of Justice and Homeland Defense is effective and secure information-sharing between federal, state, and local agencies. DIG effectively addresses the need by enabling network-centric collaboration and analyses where federal, state, and local law enforcement and public safety providers become information nodes on a network. This architecture allows for local ownership and control of data, provides more timely and current information to end users, and is cost-effective. Bennett McPhatter, COO of VAI, comments, "VAI is seeing rapid acceptance and implementation of DIG server-to-multi-server capabilities because it directly meets the needs of federal, state, and local law enforcement and homeland defense for information sharing. VAI will continue to execute and deliver robust capabilities as more members join and the network grows and becomes a blueprint for data sharing solutions." DIG is part of the "Data Clarity" suite of analytical tools from Visual Analytics that offers a full spectrum of features for searching, analyzing, sharing, and reporting. VAI's technology is commercially available and can be provided at discount to qualified law enforcement agencies. About Visual Analytics Founded in 1998, Visual Analytics, Inc. (VAI) is a privately-held, veteran-owned company based in the Washington, DC metropolitan area focused on Superior Pattern Discovery Solutions for Knowledge Discovery. VAI serves a wide-range of markets dealing with complex issues that need advanced data analyses and data mining. VAI has created a suite of advanced tools called Data Clarity, including VisuaLinks(R) and Digital Information Gateway (DIG(TM)), which are used to search, manipulate, structure, and present data for analysis. More information on VAI can be found at http://www.visualanalytics.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Bush needs to manufacture fear for re-election
-Caveat Lector- - Forwarded message from Mike Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:09:07 -0500 From: Mike Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CLG Bush needs to manufacture fear for re-election To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Noam Chomsky: Bush needs to manufacture fear for re-election By Anthony Boadle, Reuters (Link to Indian Express) HAVANA, October 30 US linguist and political dissident Noam Chomsky said on Tuesday that President George W. Bush will have to ''manufacture'' another threat to American security to win reelection in 2004 after the US failure in occupying Iraq. Chomsky, attending a Latin American social sciences conference in Cuba, said that since the September 11 attacks on the United States, the Bush administration had redefined US national security policy to include the use of force abroad, with or without UN approval. ''It is a frightened country and it is easy to conjure up an imminent threat,'' Chomsky said at the launching of a Cuban edition of a book of interviews published by the Mexican newspaper La Jornada, when asked how Bush could get reelected. ''They have a card that they can play ... terrify the population with some invented threat, and that is not very hard to do,'' he said. After the ''disaster'' of the US invasion of Iraq, Bush could turn his sights on Communist-run Cuba, which his administration officials have charged with developing a biological weapons research programme, the Massachusetts IT Professor of Linguistics said. Chomsky said the military occupation of Iraq, to topple a ''horrible monster running it but not a threat to anyone'', was a failure. ''The country had been devastated by sanctions. The invasion ended sanctions. The tyrant is gone and there is no outside support for domestic dissidence,'' he said. ''It takes real talent to fail in this endeavour.'' Chomsky said it was reasonable to assume the Bush administration would try to ''manufacture a short-term improvement in the economy'' by incurring in enormous federal government debt and ''imposing burdens on future generations''. Continued: http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=34389 == MikeHersh.com - http://www.mikehersh.com -~- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] FUN COCKSUCKING FUN ... UBYSSEY? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:22:23 -0800 (PST) From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] FUN COCKSUCKING FUN ... UBYSSEY? Let us commend you on your page 8 heading in bold print. FUN FUCKING FUN and the sub-heading was Taking Back Sunday steals the show at Croatian Cultural Centre gig. This generation of students SHOULD examine society's code of totem and taboo as did a CBC TV show on censorship this week. What is it which makes verbiage taboo or non-taboo? Would FUN MOTHERFUCKING FUN be more taboo than FUN FUCKING FUN? What about FUN COCKSUCKING FUN? Under the Mulroney Government, Multicultural Minister Jerry Wiener issued a book on Goodspeak, Badspeak and Nospeak in Canada. Long ago, when Jerry was just a little Wiener, Canada did not seem to need such a book. Maybe UBYSSEY can go on with this theme and update the Wiener Book. Let us talk about what we are not supposed to talk about so that we can be law abiding, if not lie abiding, citizens. POC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I3w.vC/hP.FAA/3jkFAA/KlSolB/TM -~- * Let us talk about what we are not supposed to talk about until we know good-speak from bad-speak; Whitehouse moronspeak from smartspeak. What is the code of totem and taboo under Whitehouse-Orwellian newspeak as it was called in 1984? What is doubleplus ungood crimethink in Orwell's classic? * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets
-Caveat Lector- Zukkie, I've been a free speech advocate practically my whole life. I need not prove myself to you. Where are you now that someone else is losing their right to speech? All I see is your saying that, since your favorite groups had difficulties, then screw everyone else's right to speech. - jt On Saturday, 01 November 2003 8:16 AM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pro-life movement, specifically the Pro-Life Action League and Joe Schiedler, did all the way to the Supreme Court where they won. It took many, many years, much personal sacrifice and much money. Many other groups came in as friends of the court when they saw their right to free speech could be affected. Get started. Where were you when the Rico case against them was started? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:12 AM Don't be absurd. That sounds rather like what you're suggesting, however, or maybe something more like sour grapes. I think a more honorable course of action, if your group or one you agree with is prevented from speaking, would be to work harder to see that everyone can speak freely, including people you disagree with, otherwise you're just a hypocrite when you talk about free speech. Of course there are hypocrites on both sides of issues who only scream free speech when it concerns them. Don't be one. - jt On Saturday, 01 November 2003 12:21 AM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you believe in free speech except for ___(fill in the blank with whatever you oppose)? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 PM On Thursday, 30 October 2003 7:23 PM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- When it happened to pro-lifers, you said nothing. When it happened to protesters at the Democratic Convention, you said nothing. Let's see what happens to your complaints. That's productive. IOW, since your pet groups have been persecuted, nobody should be allowed to speak freely. - jt www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] God's Banker, Ordination mistake, Kingston abuse cases, Halliburton overpayed
-Caveat Lector- also has : U.S. Overpaying Halliburton for Gas scroll for news articles describing murder and abuse UK police open Calvi murder inquiry Sally Bolton and agencies 9/30/03 "Police in Britain today opened a murder inquiry into the death of Roberto Calvi, a Mafia-linked Italian banker whose body was found hanging beneath a London bridge in 1982.The mysterious death of the Milanese financier, who was nicknamed "God's banker" because of his connections to the Vatican, has been a pet subject of conspiracy theorists for more than 20 years. Although the first inquest into Calvi's death returned a verdict of suicide, his family have long claimed that he was murdered. This theory was confirmed by a recent Italian investigation which, in July this year, issued its final report into the circumstances of his death. Calvi was found dead in June 1982, hanging beneath Blackfriars Bridge. The discovery came just days after Banco Ambrosiano, a Vatican-based bank of which he was president, collapsed with debts of $1.3bn (£0.8bn). However, Calvi's business connections reveal motives for murder. The Banco Ambrosiano had dealt not only with the Cosa Nostra, but also with the Vatican's financial arm, the Institute for the Works of Religion, and P2, a highly influential but illegal Masonic lodge of which Calvi was a member. In October last year, Rome prosecutors, who had been investigating the case since 1998, announced the results of forensic tests on Calvi's exhumed remains. The results showed it was most likely that he had been strung up from underneath the bridge by his killers. Calvi's pockets were weighed down with bricks and stone, suggesting a Masonic connection. Blackfriars, or Fratelli Neri, is the nickname for the Italian Freemasons, who swear that those who betray the brotherhood will be weighed down with stones and drowned. But in December 2002, a Mafia supergrass told police that Calvi had been murdered by the mob for stealing funds they had handed to him to launder. The supergrass accused a convicted Mafioso, Pippo Calo, of ordering the hit. The Italian inquiry agreed, announcing in July that it believed Calvi had been killed by mobsters who had made his murder look like a Masonic ritual." http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576,1052788,00.html two from L Moss Sharman Ordination called a mistake - Peter Geigen-miller, Free Press Reporter 10/30/03 "The Roman Catholic Church was wrong to appoint the priest at the centre of a sex abuse lawsuit to the priesthood, the retired bishop of London acknowledged yesterday. Questioned during a civil trial about Rev. Barry Glendinning's ordination as a Catholic priest in 1964, Bishop John Sherlock agreed the church had made a mistake. He added during cross-examination by London lawyer Gordon Cudmore the decision to ordain someone to the priesthood is one of the most awesome responsibilities a bishop has. Sherlock was testifying at the civil trial in which John, Ed and Guy Swales and their family are suing Glendinning and the Roman Catholic diocese of London for damages they say resulted from sexual abuse by Glendinning while he was a teacher at St. Peter's Seminary in London in the late 1960s and early 1970s." http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2003/10/30/241355.html Kingston faces another abuse case By Douglas Belkin, Globe Staff, 10/31/03 "Kingston - A town jolted by the alleged rape of a boy by a selectman just weeks ago began wrestling with another crisis yesterday when a respected School Committee member was formally charged with sneaking over to a house, plying three teenage girls there with alcohol, and groping and videotaping them." "The case is the latest in a series that have beset this coastal town of 11,000, 32 miles south of Boston. In 1989, a 13-year-old girl, Melissa Benoit, was raped and murdered here. Two years ago, a college student from Kingston, Jonathan Rizzo, was slain in a series of murders by Gary Sampson, who is now awaiting sentencing. Last year, a Kingston priest, Monsignor Frederick J. Ryan, resigned amid allegations that he had molested three teenage boys 20 years ago. And over the last 14 years, four Kingston police officers have been accused of sex crimes. Just four weeks ago, Selectman Richard Cretinon was charged by Plymouth police with raping a 14-year-old boy." http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2003/10/31/kingston_faces_another_abuse_case/ http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/031029/iraq_gasoline_cheney_3.html Reuters Reps: U.S. Overpaying Halliburton for Gas Wednesday October 29, 7:23 pm ET By Susan Cornwell WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government is paying Vice President Dick Cheney's former firm Halliburton (NYSE:HAL - News) "enormous sums" -- $2.65 a gallon -- for gasoline imported into Iraq from Kuwait, two lawmakers charged on Wednesday. Democrats Rep. Henry Waxman of California and Rep. John Dingell of Michigan said this gross overpayment was made worse by the fact that
[CTRL] Fwd: Bush Falls From Favor Abroad, Too
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Asia Times October 29, 2003 Bush falls from favor abroad, too By Jim Lobe WASHINGTON - If United States President George W Bush was surprised on his recent trip to Indonesia by the negative image the country's Muslim leaders had of his administration, he is unlikely to be reassured by two new surveys from Latin America and Europe. Nearly 90 percent of more than 500 elite figures in six Latin American countries polled by the University of Miami School of Business and Zogby International gave Bush a negative rating. Fifty percent of respondents gave his performance the lowest possible rating: poor. Bush's highest negatives were found in the region's traditional powerhouses: Brazil (98 percent), Argentina (93 percent) and Mexico (92 percent), according to the survey. A second poll carried out by Eurobarometer for the European Commission of all 15 European Union (EU) countries found that more than two-thirds of citizens saw the US-led war in Iraq as not justified. Only 6 percent of the 7,515 people polled said that they believe Washington should be in charge of security in Iraq, while 43 percent agreed the job should be given to the United Nations. Even in Baghdad itself, pollsters found skepticism about US intentions running high, according to a new Gallup poll of the Iraqi capital. Only 4 percent of respondents there said they accepted Washington's main stated reason for going to war - to eliminate weapons of mass destruction. More than four in 10 said that they believed the principal objective was to secure Iraq's oil reserves. The three polls come amid continuing erosion in Bush's poll standings at home, where his approval ratings for the past several weeks have fallen below where they stood before September 11, 2001. Worse for Bush, a new poll released on Tuesday by USA Today, CNN and Gallup found that 57 percent of political independents who are likely to decide next year's election now disapprove of his performance in Iraq, and that only 35 percent of independent voters say they intend to vote for Bush. Rising casualties in Iraq, where US servicemen have been killed at an average rate of one a day for the last two weeks, are fueling the perception by a majority of voters that the administration lacks a plan for achieving its goals there. Violence - including a rocket attack on a central Baghdad hotel that housed senior US civilian and military officials and four suicide car-bombings - over the past three days is likely to have further eroded public confidence in the administration's strategy. But if Bush's popularity has plummeted at home, his standing abroad is much worse. Last June, a month after he announced the end to major hostilities in Iraq, the Pew Global Attitudes Project found that strong majorities in Washington's chief North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies supported a more independent relationship with the US in both diplomatic and security matters. The same poll, which measured attitudes towards the US in eight predominantly Islamic countries - from Nigeria in the west to Indonesia in the east - found that the bottom has fallen out of support for America in most of the Muslim world. In Indonesia, where Bush met Islamic leaders on his recent Asia tour, only 15 percent of respondents expressed favorable opinions for the US, a steep decline from 61 percent who did so just last summer. The same survey found US favorability ratings in Turkey also at 15 percent, in Pakistan at 13 percent and at only 1 percent in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel and in Jordan, a staunch US ally. The same survey found a rapidly growing percentage of people throughout the Muslim world who see the US as a serious threat to Islam, a notion that apparently was echoed in Bush's meeting in Bali, after which the president was reported to
[CTRL] Fwd: Fox News - 'Miles from 'fair and balanced'
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Los Angeles Times November 1, 2002 REGARDING MEDIA Miles from 'fair and balanced' By Tim Rutten A veteran producer this week alleged that Fox News executives issue a daily memorandum to staff on news coverage to bend the network's reporting into conformity with management's political views, refocusing attention on the partisan bias of America's most watched cable news operation. The charges by Charlie Reina, 55, whose six-year tenure at Fox ended April 9, first surfaced Wednesday in a letter he posted on an influential Web site (www.poynter.org/column)maintained by Jim Romenesko for the Poynter Institute, an organization that promotes journalistic education and ethics. Concerns about Fox, which styles its news coverage as fair and balanced, begin with its owner, Australian- born Rupert Murdoch. The corporate boards and family investors who control most of the American news media generally feel obliged to maintain a wall of separation between news and editorial opinion. Murdoch, by contrast, operates in the style of the traditional Fleet Street proprietors, who dismiss such distinctions as inconvenient fictions. And as a deeply conservative man, he is willing to put his money where his politics are: Murdoch, a naturalized U.S. citizen, subsidizes publication of the Weekly Standard, one of the country's most influential right-wing journals. According to a forthcoming book by the New Yorker's Ken Auletta, he loses as much as $40 million a year maintaining the New York Post as an outlet of conservatism in Manhattan. As Fox's founding president, he hired Roger Ailes, a shrewd Republican political operative who earned a well-founded reputation for bare-knuckle campaigning while working for Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. As one of the architects of the elder George Bush's media strategy in his campaign for president against Democratic rival Michael Dukakis, Ailes helped devise the notorious Willie Horton commercials. As he told Time magazine in August 1988, The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it. The late Lee Atwater, another Bush aide, described Ailes as having two speeds - attack and destroy. Before joining Fox, where he serves now as chairman, Ailes produced Rush Limbaugh's short-lived television talk show. According to Reina's letter, Daily life at [Fox] is all about management politics.Editorially, the FNC newsroom is under the constant control and vigilance of management. The pressure ranges from subtle to direct. First, it's a news network run by one of the most high- profile political operatives of recent times. Everyone there understands that [Fox] is, to a large extent, 'Roger's Revenge' against what he considers a liberal, pro-Democrat media establishment that has shunned him for decades. For the staffers, many of whom are too young to have come up through the ranks of objective journalism, and all of whom are nonunion, with no protections regarding what they can be made to do, there is undue motivation to please the big boss. Fox News spokesman Rob Zimmerman told The Times that these accusations are the rantings of a bitter, disgruntled former employee. It's unfortunate that Charlie's career ended the way it did, but we wish him well. Asked whether Reina's quotations from the memos were inaccurate or taken out of context, Zimmerman said, All we are saying is that these are false accusations. The Times' request to speak with Ailes was denied: Roger is not addressing this and is not available, Zimmerman said. Reina, who told The Times he left Fox in a dispute over salary and workload - not politics - hardly comes across as a knee-jerk liberal. He is at pains, for example, to say that he believes his former employer's cable rivals - CNN and MSNBC - also air news reports riven with bias on
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Fwd: Frame 312--Art of the Cover-Up
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- 'Frame 312': Art of the cover-up Jeff Kida Actors Theatre's Frame 312. 'Frame 312' WHAT: Conspiracy thriller by Keith Reddin, directed by Matthew Wiener for Actors Theatre. WHERE: Herberger Theater Center, 222 E. Monroe St., Phoenix. WHEN: Oct. 31-Nov. 16. ADMISSION: $22.50-$42.00. SUITABILITY: Adults, mature young people. DETAILS: (602) 252-8497. Kyle LawsonThe Arizona RepublicOct. 26, 2003 12:00 AM There are few things Americans love better than a conspiracy theory. JFK, Marilyn Monroe, Watergate, alien abductions - where would cable television and Hollywood be without these supposed cover-ups. Or Broadway and the nation's bookstores, for that matter? Dozens of films, TV miniseries and plays and thousands of books deal with one cover-up or another. Scottsdale author Dean Vesic, whose tome on the Kennedy assassination, Nov. 22, 1963: The Day America Changed Forever, comes out next spring, estimates that "95 percent of all Americans believe they're being lied to about something." Seem hard to believe? Go to Google.com and type in "conspiracy theories." Just a click away are more than 350,000 Web pages guaranteed to titillate your paranoia. Narrow the search to "Kennedy conspiracy theories," and you'll get something of a break. Only 34,400 pages. Vesic is right. Lives are spent worrying about this stuff. One of those worriers is Lynette, the main character in Keith Reddin's new play, Frame 312, which Actors Theatre is staging at the Herberger Theater Center in advance of its New York première and just in time for the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. She knows something about Kennedy's death. As her family gathers to celebrate her birthday more than three decades after the assassination, she debates whether she should tell the world. Lynette is a former assistant editor at Life magazine. In the days immediately after the president's death, she was an unwilling witness at the first screening of the infamous Abraham Zapruder film, a strip of celluloid that allegedly proved the existence of a second assassin. Time-Life, the magazine's parent company, purchased exclusive rights to the film on the morning after the assassination. When the government demanded that the company turn over the original negative, the publishers complied, appointing Lynette to take the film to Washington. Up to this point, Reddin's play is a slice of reality. There was an assistant. She did deliver the Zapruder film to the government. From there, Reddin's artistic license takes charge. Lynette delivers a copy of the film, not the original. That leaves Frame 312 in her possession, the snip of film that seems to show a second bullet striking Kennedy and located a frame ahead of the more famous Frame 313, which shows the president's head exploding. It also leaves a lot of other frames, some of which were edited out of the "official" version of the Zapruder clip when it was released by the Warren Commission. If there was a second assassin, as many believe after viewing the Zapruder footage, who was it? Did the killer(s) work for big business, the Mafia, a rogue military clique or a drug cabal? Will the perpetuators, who believe they've gotten away with murder, let Lynette tell what she knows? Will the government, guilty of altering the truth, stand idly by? Reddin is no stranger to cover-ups, conspiracies and paranoia. He has written works on the Bay of Pigs invasion, missile personnel during the Cold World and California's vicious Senate race between Richard Nixon and Helen Gahagen Douglas in 1950. Reddin says he was inspired to write Frame 312 after meeting the former assistant who had carried the Zapruder film to Washington in her handbag and personally delivered it to J. Edgar Hoover. "She told me how, on the morning
[CTRL] Fwd: [NewPacifica] The Treason of Mr. Bush
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- It is Bush who has challenged the fundamental doctrine of the separation of powers and made a bid for executive supremacy; Bush who has usurped the war-making powers confided by the Constitution to the Congress; Bush who has denied to the Senate information it needs -- - and to which it is constitutionally entitled for the conduct of foreign relations; Bush who has substituted Executive Agreements for Treaties, thus circumventing the requirement of Senatorial ratification; Bush who covers much of domestic and of foreign policy with the mantle of secrecy; Bush who has systematically corrupted the electoral processes, thus betraying democracy itself; Bush who has challenged the legislative power over the purse -- - thus challenging principles and practices with three hundred years of authority behind them; Bush who has flouted the guarantees of the Bill of Rights in a dozen areas... If we are to save the constitutional system, the Bill of Rights, the Republic itself, we must be everlastingly vigilant against the treasons of Mr. Bush. In the above call for presidential impeachment, I have substituted Bush where Nixon appeared in the original. The commentary by Henry Steele Commager was originally published thirty years ago, on Oct. 30, 1973. Full original text: http://old.valleyadvocate.com/25th/archives/treason_of_nixon.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. /FONTA HREF=http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511;BClick Here!/B/AFONT COLOR=#99 /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- New Pacifica Working Group http://www.egroups.com/group/NewPacifica 'Save Our Stations!' To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---End Message---
[CTRL] Now Richard Perle is Upset with Switzerland
Title: Untitled -Caveat Lector- This comes directly afterPerle's recent blast at Russia in defense of Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the wealthiest oligarch in that nation. Is there any nation besides Israel that Richard Perle hasn't fulminated against during the last few years? He appears to be angry with the entire world, and determined to punish and destroy anyone who disagrees with him and his Likud comrades in the Israeli government. This would not be an especially important matter except for one point: Perle and his friends are in charge of the Bush administration. This is the group which has been most responsible for promoting the Iraq War and ruining America's relations with the rest of the world. (Why does one have to turn to the foreign press to read stories of this kind? Why aren't the American big media covering this kind of story thoroughly and prominently? They give the impression that they are trying to protect Perle from his own extremism.) http://www.hipakistan.com/en/pdetail.php?newsId=en43558F_catID=f_type=source HiPakistan November 1, 2003 Headline: Unofficial Mideast peace initiative a "bad idea": Pentagon advisor -- Detail Story GENEVA: A senior Pentagon advisor dismissed on Thursday as a "very bad idea" an unofficial Middle East peace plan launched by a group of Israeli and Palestinian politicians. The so-called "Geneva initiative" was unveiled earlier this month as the internationally backed Middle East roadmap was stalled by continued violence between Israel and the Palestinians. "It's a very bad idea," Richard Perle said in an interview with the Swiss newspaper Le Temps in which he also sharply criticised Switzerland for lending support to the bid. "This intervention is totally inappropriate. By lending its encouragement to a group of citizens who only represent themselves, Switzerland is adding to the chaos," he said. "Why doesn't (Swiss foreign minister) Micheline Calmy-Rey intervene in the Basque problem (in Spain)?... Why doesn't she do the same in Northern Ireland? That would be ridiculous," Perle added. "Israel is a democracy with a democratically-elected government. What would one say if (Israeli Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon indirectly got involved in a dispute between the Swiss federal government and a canton?" he said. Switzerland says it has only acted as a "facilitator" in the initiative drawn up by opposition left-wing Israeli and prominent Palestinians, which is expected to be concluded in mid to late November. Israel actively opposes the plan and said it will only follow the deadlocked roadmap aimed at ending the bloody three-year conflict with the creation of a Palestinian state by 2005 with security guarantees for Israel. According to available details, the Geneva plan calls for shared sovereignty over disputed areas of the holy city of Jerusalem and would grant the Palestinians 97.5 percent of the West Bank. In exchange, Palestinian refugees would waive their right of return to areas now incorporated in the state of Israel as it was founded in 1948. Related Stories www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets
-Caveat Lector- I don't have to prove myself to you either. I am for free speech for everyone, including Shannon. However, the left has made it a point to shut down everyone's free speech and as long as they were top dog, they were happy. Now that someone has tried to shut them off, they yell very loud. Just as conservatives on campus, in the papers and in the community have had to fight the good fight, it's time the left knew what the good fight was. Go to it. Fight the good fight for free speech. The campus establishment and the media coddled the left for a long time. I hope you work very hard for your free speech. Your battle will only help all of us. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Kept Off US Streets -Caveat Lector- Zukkie, I've been a free speech advocate practically my whole life. I need not prove myself to you. Where are you now that someone else is losing their right to speech? All I see is your saying that, since your favorite groups had difficulties, then screw everyone else's right to speech. - jt On Saturday, 01 November 2003 8:16 AM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pro-life movement, specifically the Pro-Life Action League and Joe Schiedler, did all the way to the Supreme Court where they won. It took many, many years, much personal sacrifice and much money. Many other groups came in as friends of the court when they saw their right to free speech could be affected. Get started. Where were you when the Rico case against them was started? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:12 AM Don't be absurd. That sounds rather like what you're suggesting, however, or maybe something more like sour grapes. I think a more honorable course of action, if your group or one you agree with is prevented from speaking, would be to work harder to see that everyone can speak freely, including people you disagree with, otherwise you're just a hypocrite when you talk about free speech. Of course there are hypocrites on both sides of issues who only scream free speech when it concerns them. Don't be one. - jt On Saturday, 01 November 2003 12:21 AM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you believe in free speech except for ___(fill in the blank with whatever you oppose)? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Tinnin Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:01 PM On Thursday, 30 October 2003 7:23 PM -0700, Zuukie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- When it happened to pro-lifers, you said nothing. When it happened to protesters at the Democratic Convention, you said nothing. Let's see what happens to your complaints. That's productive. IOW, since your pet groups have been persecuted, nobody should be allowed to speak freely. - jt www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat
