[CTRL] Ignore me - I am a test
-Caveat Lector- Ignore me - I am a test _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] To Hoffa
-Caveat Lector- I was responding earlier to the gist of what was going on from latter postings . Even I am not THAT nice . Just had not yet found your initial posting in the chaos that is my e-mailbox . I am not above shooting an arrow in return for one received , though my arrows are playful in their attempt and devoid of poison .. Divine~ == You don't have to conform to the values of your peers. It gets pretty boring sitting home every night though. == _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Melissa creator may be uncovered
-Caveat Lector- Uh huh does this seem like it's just a tad too convienient to anyone else . First the internet community puts out up a roar in response to the inherent privacy invasion of all these tracking devices popping up and suddenly the virus of all viruses comes along , warranting FBI notifications for the first time ever . Then we are all saved from sure destruction of our beloved e-mail capabilities by the very chips we all so despise , thereby proving the error of our ways as these ID's are our friends . Just a thought . Divine ~ == I am numbered by my government therefore I am == --- Don Allen wrote: From ZDNN http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2233931,00.html Melissa creator may be uncovered Thanks to a controversial serial ID number, researchers seem to have found the virus writer. By Robert Lemos, ZDNN March 29, 1999 5:49 PM PT Two software engineers have extracted information from the Melissa virus that appears to lead to an account on America Online Inc. and a Web site that, if matched with a person, could lead law enforcement officials to the author of the prolific virus. The key is a controversial serial number, called the Global Unique Identifier or GUID, which is included in files created with Microsoft Corp.'s (Nasdaq:MSFT) Office, as well as some other applications, including Visual Basic. The serial number raised the concern of privacy advocates just a few weeks ago for its ability to be used to trace certain documents back to their creator. That's exactly what two software engineers have done. Using the unique number, Richard M. Smith, president of software tools developer Phar Lap Software Inc., and Fredrik Bjorck, a Swedish PhD student at Stockholm University's Department of Computer and System Sciences, have tracked down the virus writer to at least one specific Web site. "We can't be one hundred percent sure," said Smith. "There is a possibility that (the Web site author) was framed. There is a possibility of little green men coming from Mars, too." In other words, the electronic "fingerprints" on the Melissa virus inserted in the Word macro and those on the documents posted on the Web site are the same. The electronic fingerprint, called the media access control (MAC) address, is a unique serial number for a PC's Ethernet card. The Web site belongs to a malicious hacker, and a writer of virus tools, known by several handles, including VicodinES, Sky Roket, John Holmes, and Johnny "One Leg" Johnson, among others, according to Smith. Posted on alt.sex Sky Roket is the name of an America Online user, and is also the name on the original e-mail that posted Melissa to the alt.sex newsgroup. But Smith believes that Sky Roket is being used to camouflage the activities of VicodinES. America Online (NYSE:AOL) would not comment on whether that particular user was being investigated by the FBI. The FBI also declined to comment on any potential investigation. However, whoever controls Sky Roket has a history of posting viruses. Under the same handle, at least three viruses were posted in late 1997 in exactly the same manner (1, 2, and 3). All were attributed to VicodinES's authorship. According to Phar Lap's Smith, the MAC address derived from the Word document's GUID and the one derived from the documents on Web sites registered to VicodinES and Sky Roket match. The connection was first pointed out by Bjorck in Sweden. ZDNN has independently confirmed that documents accompanying an Office 2000 macro virus on VicodinES's Web site, created by the person using the Vicodin handle, include the same electronic fingerprint as the Melissa virus. Another one of VicodinES's files is stored on Skyroket's personal site on AOL. This could be a costly mistake for the writer. The FBI is looking to prosecute the writer with a fine of $350,000 and five to 10 years, according to statements made by Michael Vatis, director of the National Infrastructure Protection Center. HR html br br br br font size=3From ZDNNbr br a href="http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2233931,00.html" eudora="autourl"http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2233931,00.html/abr br Melissa creator may be uncoveredbr nbsp;br Thanks to a controversial serial ID number, researchers seem to have found br the virus writer.br br By Robert Lemos, ZDNNbr March 29, 1999 5:49 PM PT br br nbsp;br Two software engineers have extracted information from the Melissa virus br that appears to lead to an account on America Online Inc. and a Web site br that, if matched with a person, could lead law enforcement officials to the br author of the prolific virus.br br The key is a controversial serial number, called the Global Unique br Identifier or GUID, which is included in files created with
Re: [CTRL] New Fast-Spreading Virus Takes Internet by Storm
-Caveat Lector- Has anyone on the list actually seen this virus ... or even know anyone who has ? Divine~ = Only the paranoid survive = --- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- New Fast-Spreading Virus Takes Internet by Storm By MATT RICHTEL The New York Times SAN FRANCISCO -- A rapidly spreading computer virus forced several large corporations to shut down their e-mail servers on Friday night as it rode the Internet on a global rampage, several leading network security companies reported Saturday. The security companies said early reports of the virus, which is carried by e- mail, led them to believe that tens of thousands of home and business computers had been infected on Friday alone. The virus reproduces itself exponentially, they said, trying to use each infected message to send 50 more infected messages. "This is the fastest-spreading virus we've seen," said Srivats Sampath, general manager for the McAfee Software division of Network Associates, a Santa Clara company that makes anti-virus software. Network security experts said that the virus appeared to do no harm to the machines it infected and that individuals could easily disable it. But they said its purpose is to interrupt networks by replicating itself so rapidly that it overwhelms networks and e-mail servers, the electronic post offices that direct message traffic. E-mail infected with the virus, which its creators call Melissa, has a topic line that begins, "Important Message From." Next is the sender's name, which is often the name of a friend, fellow worker or someone else known to the recipient. The message within the e-mail is short and innocuous: "Here is that document you asked for ... don't show anyone else ;-)" Attached to it is a 40,000-byte, or 40K, Microsoft Word document named list.doc. When the recipient opens list.doc, the Melissa virus automatically searches for an e-mail address book. It then sends a copy of itself -- the message and attachment -- from the recipient to the first 50 names it finds in the recipient's address book, which accounts for the rapid acceleration across the Internet. The virus is known to spread rapidly with two popular e-mail programs, Microsoft Outlook and a slimmed-down version of the same program, Microsoft Outlook Express, which is part of the Windows 98 operating system and is often installed with Windows 95. Network security administrators said they had seen no evidence that Melissa was able to open and use the address books in other e-mail programs, but they did not rule out the possibility that it could and would do so. Several anti-virus software makers posted software on their Web sites that their customers can download to detect the virus-encoded message and refuse it. A fix for the general public was available on www.sendmail.com, the Web site of Sendmail, the Emeryville company whose post-office software is often used to direct mail on the Internet. Eric Allman, a co-founder of Sendmail, said he was concerned that the problem would worsen on Monday morning when employees find these messages in their e-mail in-boxes. "This will get into a lot of mail boxes and lay dormant," he said. "When employees come in at 8 a.m. and read these messages, it will cause an explosive growth of the virus." Allman characterized the virus' virulence as "not the worst I'd seen, but it's pretty bad." He added, however, that it appeared to be the fastest-replicating virus he had seen. Individuals can avoid contracting or spreading the virus simply by not opening the attachment that accompanies the e-mail. Opening the message alone will not cause the virus to copy the address list and send itself out. Alternatively, users can disarm the virus by disabling the type of program that contains it -- "macros," which are small applications used to automate tasks in Microsoft Word documents. Disabling macros in Microsoft Word will render the virus ineffective. Officials from Microsoft said they were not certain of the magnitude of the virus and emphasized that it could be easily disarmed. Adam Sohn, a company spokesman, said, "If folks are careful about what runs on their machine, they'll always be fine." The virus overwhelmed employees on Friday at GCI Group, a public relations firm with offices throughout the United States. One contract employee, who exchanges mail with a number of company employees, said she received more than 500 messages during the day. "It hosed my entire day," said the employee, Leigh Anne Varney. "You can't print the words I used. I've never had this happen before." This hardly is the first virus to attack and spread automatically via e-mail, but it is the first to move from being a controlled, essentially experimental form
[CTRL] To Tim [CTRL] New Fast-Spreading Virus Takes Internet by Storm
-Caveat Lector- Thanks Tim , Now I at least know it exists , thanks too for the tech lesson though I am aware that they are different things I inadvertantly used the word chips to describe them in bulk . Please forgive as its 3am and my postings have acquired an air of nonsensical ramblings in contrast to my usual ?? Anyway , I'm gonna go to bed now before I say anything else stupid :-) . Divine ~ == To Err is human, to forgive is simply not our policy. == --- Tim Griffiths wrote: -Caveat Lector- Divinewill wrote: Has anyone on the list actually seen this virus ... or even know anyone who has ? It hit one of the lists I'm on (no, not alt.sex...). A copy of the virus itself is at http://www.root.org/melissa_virus.txt Tim -- Tim Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Center for Submicron Research http://tim01.ex.ac.uk Weizmann Institute of Science (972)-8-934-2736 Rehovot 76100 Israel 'Do not attempt to oppose the Way of the Universe. But first make sure you know the Way of the Universe'. - Musashi DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More About Mellissa Virus
-Caveat Lector- Come on conspirators what do you think ... have heard nary a peep on this one which affects us all so strongly . Is it a Big Brother move to convince us of the fact that tracking software is our friend and will keep these things from happening ? Did the White House do it to try and prevent us from ganging up on Klinton or finding out the truth ? Was it just a hacker out to attack the Korporate world ?The campaign against pornography on the web ? the Russians ? AOL? Surely someone has some ideas to share Divine~ == If you don't have anything nice to say , come sit next to me . == --- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- Tuesday March 30 1:49 AM ET 'Melissa' Virus Plays Havoc With E-Mail By Dick Satran SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A computer virus described as the most widespread ever hit the Internet Monday, forcing some companies to shut electronic mail systems and prompting an investigation by the FBI cybercrime unit. Computer security firms had issued warnings through a wide variety of media over the weekend that the virus called ''Melissa'' would be sprung on millions of users. ``This has caused the havoc we expected,'' said Sal Viveros, a vice president of marketing at the No. 1 computer security firm, Network Associates Inc., in a Monday conference call. ''It's seriously hit virtually everyone.'' The virus, named Melissa, greeted huge numbers of workers as they signed on to their e-mail systems at the start of the work week, spreading ``more quickly than any other virus in the history of viruses,'' Viveros said. The Federal Bureau of Investigations's National Infrastructure Protection Center said it was notified of the virus Friday and has received reports of ``significant network degradation and e-mail outages'' at major corporations and Internet service providers. The virus uses a high-powered automation technology built into most personal computers, and a simple, personal touch, to propagate itself. Often disguised as a message from a friend or colleague, Melissa is a simple e-mail sent to unsuspecting users, saying ''Important message from'' But when users open the message, it can cause a flood of new e-mails to be sent over the Internet from the reader's own online address book. Clicking on the e-mail triggers a powerful ``macro'' -- automation software built into millions of computers using Microsoft's Windows operating system -- that can automatically trigger up to 50 new e-mails. In many cases, computer users are warned of the presence of the automated messaging, but the virus de-activates the warning system for some computers, making it harder to detect. The virus appeared not to have caused any significant damage to computers, although it flooded some e-mail services and exposed a weakness that future hackers could exploit more maliciously. Indeed, Network Associates said a more damaging virus, code-named ``Papa'', had already cropped up Monday. It was a more elaborate program using a similar e-mail delivery of a macro that could disrupt Excel spreadsheets. The biggest impact, though, appeared to come from a temporary shutdown of computer systems by cautious computer managers trying to keep their systems from being overwhelmed. Computer experts said it was also possible that other confidential documents could be sent inadvertently, though Network Associates knew of no such cases. ``A number of our large customers have had to take their servers down and for a lot of companies e-mail is the main method of communications,'' said Network Associates's Viveros. ''Having that down has caused lots of havoc.'' At Pittsburgh's Carnegie Mellon University, the Computer Emergency Response Team received scores of inquiries. ``We are getting a steady stream of phone calls this morning from organizations who have been affected by the virus,'' Jeff Carpenter at CERT said Monday. CERT estimated the bug affected more than 100,000 machines. Carpenter said more than 150 companies had complained about Melissa. The virus comes in the form of a document that lists pornography sites on the Internet's World Wide Web of computer networks. One office worker in Austin, Texas, Jennifer Mehlow, said she got a message that appeared to be from a colleague in the company. But when she saw the list of porn sites, she reported it to her computer system manager. By then, the macro had been triggered, sending scores of messages over the Internet. ``I came in this morning and I had 213 nasty e-mails attacking me,'' said Mehlow, a press relations specialist at Fleishman-Hillard in Austin. Lucent Technologies Inc. (NYSE:LU - news) the world's largest telecommunications equipment maker, Friday received a copy of the tainted note. It shut its e-mail system for the weekend in
Re: [CTRL] Tim Griffiths and the Dry Quote
-Caveat Lector- Well well well , it seems I've unknowingly started a war ... first of all let me clarify that my use of the word mute instead of moot was an intentional play on words , please forgive me for being prone to these as I will forgive you for not finding it amusing :-) I in no way meant to insult anyone nor was I trying to be " picky " it was merely a half hearted , light hearted attempt at pointing out a misquote and defending myself as to being referred to as a monkey pounding on a keyboard . If my recollection is correct I do believe that I started my posting with the fact that I thought it was cute despite its flaws . Divine ~ To err is human , to forgive is simply not our policy . --- "J. Hoffa" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:22:57 +0300, Tim Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you're not reading it properly. *Your* version of the quote didn't have the '...for a million years...' part, and therefore is *not* the same as that given by Divine. If you're going to be picky, then you should read things through carefully. OK, then. What purpose did Divine serve in pointing out the "correct" version? In your words, " If she is going to be picky," then she should have a point behind WHY she is being picky. One good pick deserves another, I say. Also, I think YOU should read things more carefully. That was not MY version of the quote, as you write above. It was Robert Wilensky's version of the quote, which was made plain in both the initial and reply messages. As for picking someone up over the use of the word 'mute' rather than 'moot', if you're going to spend your time doing that then you'll a) waste it and b) become a bitter twisted man. Did you not understand what Divine was saying? Did it impede your obvious reading enjoyment of the post? I did understand what Divine was TRYING to say, and it did impede my reading enjoyment. If Divine is allowed to pick apart an obviously good-natured, humorous quote offered for the enjoyment of everyone, why can't I get picky about her response? In fact, that sort of picky, unsolicited opinion just seems to beg for an obnoxious response. Divine is an adult engaged in a free-form discussion group and can probably take care of herself. Who are you, Divine's mother? As for how I spend my time in becoming bitter and twisted, well, that's my business. But I am glad you see the sunny side of my personality. So many people miss it, you know. ;-) Most significantly, are you suggesting that Shakespeare wrote in the correct language of the day, didn't invent his own words and definitions, and didn't generally mess around with the language to suit his own ends? Of course he did. That was part of my point. Remember what I wrote about creative language use? Do you think Divine was trying out a new, innovative language technique on us? She obviously just screwed up. Shakespeare had to be linguistically talented to be able to write as he did. Going beyond the conventions of any art first requires a strong base in those conventions. This is true for poetry, painting, and literature of any sort. Picasso had to begin with painting bowls of fruit before moving on to cubism. Otherwise, the common man's assertion that Picasso's expressions are no more than a child's finger painting might be seen as having some validity. Certainly there's no end of *that* going on on the net... Yes, but is most of it out of ignorance or artistry? That's the fundamental question. I guess you put me in my place ! NOT. Have a nice day, HOFFA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Charles Foster Kane's Apology
-Caveat Lector- Hi Colleen , I just wanted to clarify a few somethings first , last time I checked I was a girl .. and my name is not intended to be egotistical at all in fact quite the opposite as my intention is not in any way to enforce God's will or even to point out what I believe it to be , it is more based on my desire to live by the principals which I believe in . I never intentionally try to force anyone around to my way of thinking nor do anything which would bring harm to another , I do however reserve the right to defend myself when attacked . I hope you don't mind that I put this response back to the list as you are not the first to comment on my name . I only would like to further add that I believe that the majority of us on this list are on the same side of the bigger and more important issues and I only hope that we can continue to put our differences aside and remain united for that is our only defense against the tyranny of " them " . Divine ~ --- Money makes the world go around. Love just barely keeps it from blowing up --- --- Colleen Jones wrote: Must admit you do sound like a it of an egomaniac with that name, Father Divine. Now - this is one piece of literary genius I adore.Charles Foster Kane's apoloy. Be sure to click on the blue stuff, to get the verbal apology. Hope you can pick up. I think you should send a similar message to our friend Hoffa. He is really a nice guy, and I like himI like him most when he is the kinder, gentler Hoffa Now I have cooled down = and I am not gonig to let anybody ruin my day. Mother Jones or how about well, good bye.and you know, the last time I heard "Have A Nice Day" it was a traffic copy who gave my son a ticket, and I had to pay for same. Bye, you all..and have fun. Repent..Apologize..Say your sorry; and get down on all fours moslem style; beg for mercy.like you really mean it, this time. ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:13:07 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Charles Foster Kane's Apology http://www.queencity.com/whistleblower/cfkapology.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Divine and the Dry Quote
-Caveat Lector- Ah hah ! so this is the posting that sparked up all the fuss . My my Hoffa aren't we odiously facetious . Careful there big fella don't blow a gasket on my account . I can assure you an imbecile like me isn't worth it . Divine ~ I is a collage gradient divinewill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though this is quite cute , I do believe the original quote was " a million monkeys at a million keyboards for a million years could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare " , none the less I guess it's a mute point since Shakespeare has already been produced .. and is on the web . Divine~ Hello? Hello? Is there any intelligent life out there? My original message consisted of the following quote: "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." --Robert Wilensky First of all, the quote begins "We've heard that..." Then it continues by giving the entire original quote (which you repeat in your reply). Why do you have to point out the original quote to us again as if I somehow made a mistake and quoted it wrong? Hello? Hello? It was an obvious, humorous play on the old, familiar, original quote. This is the first example which proves my point. Monkeys (or the majority of the frantic masses on A.O.L., if you prefer the simpler, literal translation) don't write Shakespeare (a figurative reference to all great literature and art of the past, present, and future; this doesn't just refer to Shakespeare's plays, which may or may not be on the internet; Hello?). Here's the proof of my point just in case you couldn't glean it from what I've written so far: If someone cannot understand such a simple literary convention as parody without trying to impose a very mundane, banal, overly-simplistic interpretation upon it, how can they write anything akin to the true artistry, quality, and true-to-life spirit of the classics? In other, more figurative, words, monkeys don't write Shakespeare. Hello? The second example proving my point is contained in a line of your reply: guess it's a mute point since Shakespeare has already been produced... Shakespeare may have already been produced, but if you want to produce anything comparable, it seems you may need a good proof-reader. I can excuse incorrect spellings; after all, we all make careless mistakes. However, one should not try to use words with which they are unfamiliar. Anyone out there remember Norm Crosby? The word MUTE is most often defined as: the inability or lack of desire to speak. The word I think you meant to use was MOOT, most often defined as: open for discussion or debate, as in a moot point. The old spell checker wouldn't catch that one. It required the gray matter grammatic/syntactic checker. An acute awareness of word use, conventions, multiple meanings both literal and figurative, and placement within the context of a sentence and/or paragraph in order to construct the desired meaning plays a significant role in the production of great literature. Alternate meanings, puns, allusions, etc. all add depth to writing, allowing a reader to skim as shallowly or plunge as deeply as they may desire. Once again, we see the point of Mr. Wilensky's quote proven: if you try to dive in to a lot of what you read on the internet, you're bound to hit your head on a rocky, shallow bottom sooner or later (this, however, is not typical of most of the fine writings found at CTRL). And now, I will be MUTE on the suject. The No Longer Kind, Gentle HOFFA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yaho
Re: [CTRL] the meaning of the word socialist
-Caveat Lector- --- Bob Stokes wrote: -Caveat Lector- big snip As to those who refuse to work, let them die, for if they are not willing to work they do not deserve to live. As for those who cannot work due to mental or physical disabilities... the corporations would give charity to them since the owners of the corporations would be normal people and not the greedy rich. The owners of the corporations could decide who they want to support. Comments Anyone? Regards, Bob Stokes How would someone such as myself fit into this . I am a stay at home wife and mother . I believe that the primary problem with todays youth gangs , drugs , violence . etc . is the sad fact that most children are primarily left to raise themslves and are highly lacking in both supervision and attention due to todays two income families . Now I realize that many people will argue that they can not make it financially today without two incomes but we have choosen to live a simple lifestyle versus a status quo/materialistic one believing that love is more important than materialistic items to a childs development. An even harder question would be in relation to the single parents , which are so sadly predominate in todays society who truly have no options . Please note that this is in no way a critizism of any kind , would just like to know your thoughts on this subject . Also would like to note that although we are eligible for food stamps and various other governmental aid , a sad fact in itself as my husband works very hard in a highly specialized field , we do not take it due to the complete demoralization and total sign off of all rights to privacy ( or pride ) which one has to suffer in order to obtain it . Divine~ I am numbered by my government therefore I am _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who's The Trained Pigs?
-Caveat Lector- One would hardly think , at least this one :-) , that due to Daddys use of these men to cover his leacherous trail of sexual prowess and murder that they could be expected to like them . Of course if one is coming from the belief that we should support our troops for the same reason it is understandable , I don't agree with it , but I understand it . Divine~ - We're from the government , we're here to help you -- --- John Szocik wrote: -Caveat Lector- I just want to respond to the remarks made by Chelsea and Hillary Clinton regarding the what FBI or Secret Service areto them. " TRAINED PIGS " How dare they??!! These men are there to protect their sorry lives with their own if need be, and this is how they look upon them? If I were one of those chosen to protect either one of them, I'd definately side-step the bullet intended for them. Then that would make Chelsea and mommy "two pigs" By the way Hillary, how was Vince baby in bed? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo - Why? #3
-Caveat Lector- --- 1lls0081 wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ramblings, from someone that is wondering what the is going on. http://www.workers.org/ww/1999/kosovo0401.html U.S. attacks little Yugoslavia A day of infamy All the excuses given by President Bill Clinton cannot conceal the naked truth: the world's biggest nuclear power, a country of some 272 million people, has launched a war against a small, mostly agricultural country of 10 million people on the other side of the globe. "Small, Mostly Agricultural Country"? Wonder if they were not intrested in having GM (Genetically Modified) food and Monsanto in their country and they are being used as a example? snip, snip Good point to ponder , I also find the statement regarding the US still being the biggest nuclear power to be highly questionable against even one other country such as Russia or China , in terms of both combined not a chance ! Divine~ - It's important to learn from others mistakes , you don't have time to make them all yourself . - _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] excellent dry quote
-Caveat Lector- Though this is quite cute , I do believe the original quote was " a million monkeys at a million keyboards for a million years could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare " , none the less I guess it's a mute point since Shakespeare has already been produced .. and is on the web . Divine~ Life may have no meaning. Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove. -- Ashleigh Brilliant --- "J. Hoffa" wrote: -Caveat Lector- "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." --Robert Wilensky DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Warning Issued For Fast-Spreading Computer Virus
-Caveat Lector- I have copied and pasted the addresses from my address book onto a note pad document from which to copy them when needed , and deleted all entries from my address book . I think , if I understand how this virus works correctly , will keep from inadvertantly spreading this ( hard to keep track of what goes through my mail as I get app. 200 messages a day from 8-9 lists ) Divine~ --- I am numbered by the government therefore I am --- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sunday March 28 12:28 PM ET Warning Issued For Fast-Spreading Computer Virus NEW YORK (Reuters) - A new fast-spreading computer virus could spread havoc Monday after already forcing several large U.S. corporations to shut down their e-mail systems, the New York Times reported Sunday. The virus, which is named Melissa and is spread by e-mail, may have infected tens of thousands of home and business computers Friday, the Times reported quoting network security companies. The virus replicates itself by going into the address book of the computer's user and e-mailing itself to 50 addresses -- eventually overloading network systems to the point where they must be shut down. It does not appear to harm or disable the computers, the experts told the Times. E-mail infected with the virus has a topic line which begins ``important message from'' followed by the name of the person whose computer address book inadvertently provided the recipient's e-mail address. That is followed by the seemingly innocuous message: ``Here is that document you asked for ... don't show it to anyone else''. A massive 40K document called list.doc is attached, the paper said. While opening the e-mail is harmless, opening the attachment unleashes the virus. It seeks out 50 addresses in the recipient's address book, sends itself off, and the whole process begins again. The two e-mail programs most likely to be affected were Microsoft Outlook and its slimmed down cousin, Microsoft Outlook Express, the newspaper said. Eric Allman, a co-founder of Sendmail, told the Times that he was concerned that the problem would worsen Monday morning when employees find the messages in their e-mail in-boxes. ``This will get into a lot of mail boxes and lay dormant,'' he said. ``When employees come in at 8 a.m. and read these messages, it will cause an explosive growth of the virus.'' Allman described the virus as ``not the worst I'd seen, but it's pretty bad.'' The virus brought the e-mail system to a halt Friday at the GCI Group, a public relations firm with offices nationwide. Leigh Anne Varney said she got more than 500 messages over the course of the day. ``I've never had this happen before.'' Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's MP3: Xaz: "Boiling Lake" http://www.mp3.com/artists/8/xaz.html ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
Re: [CTRL] Kevorkian News
-Caveat Lector- If all of you involved in this rather heated debate would kindly onlige me to interject . Is it not one of the great rights of the US of A , that we are all in common trying desperately to retain , the right of religious freedom and the right to free speech , even when based upon our religious/morale beliefs ? And in essence the right to disagree in a way devoid of hatefulness and anger? Divine ~ --- Money makes the world go around. Love just barely keeps it from blowing up --- Liz Schumacher wrote: -Caveat Lector- FINE,"Dr" erebus, have YOU researched dr jack??? did YOU know he was NEVER a doctor who took care of people, but only a doctor who looked at cadavers?? and only part time at that? Did he bring kids into the world--EVER??? NO DID he take care of young married couples_NO Was he EVER a General Practitioner-NO Was he ever a specialist?? maybe in oncology? gynocology?? NO He LOOKED AT DEAD BODIES ON A SLAB--for his WHOLE medical career!!!-which by the way --was--on and off.--are people begging dr jack to kill them??YES!! They can beg YOU, they can beg ME ,too, they can beg your uncle arthur's blind CAT-- still dont make it right, "DR" erebus, baby-- look-- folks have a right to die, but not this way , man, NOT under the hormones of a man who is in LOVE with what he does. THINK ABOUT IT liz DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kevorkian News
-Caveat Lector- Liz , I wasn't referring that you're post in particular was anything , it just was the one that was currently up when I jumped in . I merely was trying to say that you have the right to feel the way you do , as do the people who disagree with you and I don't understand why it of such importance to prove who is right and wrong when the parties involved , while all learned on the points of argument simply do not agree . Divine ~ You don't have to conform to the values of your peers. It gets pretty boring sitting home every night though... --- Liz Schumacher wrote: -Caveat Lector- look DIVINE, i fail to see how you could take my response as "hateful" i dont know where u are coming from. All I know is JACK KEVORKIAN is a serial killer, in my book. because--he LOVES what he does-if u cant see that, im sorry. in no way was i trying to be "hateful"--i just DONT LIKE serial killers liz DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kevorkian News
-Caveat Lector- Hi Amelia , Nice to meet you :-) . I have been on this list for about a year now but I was predominately a " lurker " until recently so I am really a newbie here too as noone really knows me . Sounds like you found yourself in the right place at the right time in regards to homesteading and self sufficient living . Good for you , I am myself doing the best I can with what I have to work with . Started learning to garden last year and hopefully will become adequately able should the need arrive . Have stocked up on the necessaties though just in case as it is rather limiting where I live , out in the desert , as nothing grows here except sagebrush , you have to buy dirt . On the Kevorikian thing , I don't want to get to deep in the fray as I do not believe in doctors of any kind for religious and intellectual reasons and I don't want to argue about it . Divine ~ Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right. -- Gandhi --- Amelia Kay Edgeman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hi, I'm Amelia and I am new supposed to introduce myself. I've been watching mostl for a few days. Hope to have time to read archives but first must finish the excessive, oppressive paperwork to take to my accountant to file my illegal income taxes. I am not very computer-literate but have great interest and hope to learn somethings and hopfully contribute a bit. I am early middleaged, mother of two college-age skeptics. I am homesteading and ove it. I stumbled onto the Y2K poblem, at least the magnitude of it a I was attempting/learning to become as totally self-reliant as possible. Seems I was guided in the right direction before I knew what I was doing--moved to mini-farm about 14 mos. ago. Am preparing for Y2K only in ways I will use any way if left to my own wishes. To the subject at hand, let me say that I must agree that this is not the way to deal with this problem. I stated earlier that pain in this country is so under-medicated and undertreated as to be a scandal. Many would not want to die if they were not in agony. Also, this is illegal and makes all parties commit crimes. Apart from that, I fee/think, it cheapens human life the same way abortions do. We can "put down" people the way we do animals. We can withhold herioc life-support and give them enough medication. Drs. are audited on the percentage of Rx they write for controlled substances versus non-controlled (morphine vs. antibiotic; amphetamine vs. antihistamine as examples) and they are paraniod abog accused of causing someone to become a drug addict. Many people with adequate meds woun't want to die. They want to escape the hell in which they are forced to live. Dr. Jack does get a certain gleam i his eye about this. Also to the one who calls himself "Dr." whatever happened to "First, do no harm."? Even the most liberal translation of helping take away life from someone with/without their permission still equals harm in the most extreme. I babble on. You guys sound very bright, sharp and most importantly, informed. I will enjoy reading your postings greatly and am impressed that each of you have done your research. That is a must for me. I don't have time to waste on doing research thathas already been done. I shall benefit from yours if you wil allow me. Regards, Amelia DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your
Re: [CTRL] Kevorkian News
-Caveat Lector- Hi Liz , No Problem :-) , I get rather passionate in my response to things sometimes too and I agree with you completely in regard to the propaganda machine , lately I can barely keep from screaming every time one of the talking heads comes on a spouts out their rhetoric and just plain lies in regard to the Kosovo crisis . Divine ~ --- Never believe anything you hear in the media until you have verified it with various sources on the web --- Liz Schumacher wrote: -Caveat Lector- sorry if i jumped on u divine-- didnt mean to. im just so p-oed at the new media darlings, who are SUCH a danger, like our dear dr jack liz DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reporter from Press Conference on Drudge NOW !
-Caveat Lector- The reporter who was on the press conference from the White House the other day who kept receiving the answer , " I don't have time for that " to all his questions is on the Drudge report on Fox News right now . Divine ~ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reporter from Press Conference on Drudge NOW !
-Caveat Lector- For anyone who missed it . My listings C-Band Pacific show it will be on again at 11:00 pm tonight . --- Divinewill wrote: -Caveat Lector- The reporter who was on the press conference from the White House the other day who kept receiving the answer , " I don't have time for that " to all his questions is on the Drudge report on Fox News right now . Divine ~ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CALL TO ACTION - Pertaining to TREASON Allegations
-Caveat Lector- Can someone please send me the URL to the time line or tell me where I might find it . My state is amongst those listed and this is something I most definitely can seek my teeth into !!! Also for anyone who is in a state not represented that has a good factually based point or two to make about this I would be most happy to incorporate your thoughts into my reply . Divine ~ - If Clinton is the answer it must have been a stupid question. - --- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- CALL TO ACTION - Pertaining to TREASON Allegations Various FR Posters 3/26/99 Various FR Posters THIS IS THREAD 2 OF A FREEPER CALL TO ACTION!!! While the bombs are falling in Kosovo --- something VERY IMPORTANT is happening in Congress. The Senate Intelligence Committee has launched a formal investigation, and the House is seeking to release the Cox Committee report. To make sure nothing is lost in a "wag the dog" shell game - we need to make sure our elected officials know that WE ARE WATCHING everything pertaining to vital National Security issues. On the Downside Legacy we have about 120 pages in Timelines pertaining to all the treason allegations. This timeline is unique to Freepers and Lurkers because it is a consolidation of information from the myriad Freeper sources. It gives a forest view of what is behind the treason allegations. The timelines are very damning because they frequently pull together facts for the first time facts that may look innocent individually but laid side by side raise all kinds of red flags to the reader. The timelines are backed by volumes of detail in the Downside Legacy and all over the Free Republic archives. Please read the timelines and if you agree, and if you have a printer and especially if one of the Committee members represents your state . Please print out all or a portion of the Timeline and send a letter, email, or whatever to express your point-of-view. And please leave a note here so well know which officials have been put on notice! IN CONGRESS March 26, 1999 Senate Intelligence Committee launched a formal investigation into allegations that China stole secrets from US nuclear weapons research labs and how the case was handled by the US government. Reuters 3/26/99 " The Senate Intelligence Committee launched a formal investigation Thursday into allegations that China stole secrets from U.S. nuclear weapons research laboratories and how the case was handled by the U.S. government. "This problem could be more serious, more widespread and potentially more dangerous than most Americans realize,'' said Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Shelby .. In the House of Representatives, a special committee that investigated the transfer of U.S. technology to China and completed its report at the end of last year was given another month to make its findings public. That committee, chaired by California Republican Rep. Christopher Cox, has been negotiating with the White House over which parts of the report can be made public and which should be kept classified. The committee was scheduled to go out of existence at the end of March, but the House has authorized a one-month extension to the end of April. "We continue to negotiate with the White House,'' said Brent Bahler, spokesman for the House panel. As a result of the extension, "we don't have the imminent pressure of next week running out of time,'' he said. .Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner sent a letter to Energy Secretary Bill Richardson saying required reports had not been submitted to Congress on the status of security at national nuclear weapons facilities. Warner gave Richardson 30 days to produce them ." Senate Intelligence Committee Republicans: Shelby Alabama John Chafee - Rhode Island Richard Lugar Indiana Mike Dewine Ohio Jon Kyl Arizona James Inhofe Oklahoma Orrin Hatch Utah Pat Roberts Kansas Wayne Allard - Colorado Democrats: Robert Kerry Nebraska Richard Bryan Nevada Bob Graham Florida John Kerry Mass Max Baucus Montana Charles Robb Virginia Frank Lautenberg - New Jersey Carl Levin - MI Washington Times 3/25/99 Nancy Roman " House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert said Thursday that a classified congressional report detailing major U.S. lapses in combating Chinese espionage must be released "without a lot of hesitation." The 700-page report, compiled by a special committee chaired by Rep. Christopher Cox, California Republican, has put the Clinton administration on the defensive over its China policy and its efforts to protect U.S. high- technology military secrets. "Every country -- friend and foe
Re: [CTRL] A Question About Today's Lunchtime Press Conference
-Caveat Lector- Hi Mark . I just watched the replay of the press conference on CNN a few minutes ago , sorry I don't know whom the gentleman is that you are speaking of . In general though I found it rather repetitive as though if he only said the same BS enough times it would somehow become true . I did think however that it was rather interesting to note that whenever anyone tried to ask anything in regard to nuclear bombs he would repond that he was not there to answer every rhetorical question of what might happen . Divine ~ - "Crime does not pay... as well as politics." -- Alfred E. Newman - --- Mark McHugh wrote: -Caveat Lector- I noticed that White House mouthpiece Joe Lockhart kept saying, "I don't have time for that" almost every time an older gentleman seated next to CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked him a tough question. Who is this guy? I kept switching between FoxNews, C-SPAN and CNN, but never got an ID. I like the questions he asked, such as "What are these US interests the President keeps mentioning?" -- Mark McHugh One Step Beyond! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] To Bill -CALL TO ACTION - Pertaining to TREASON Allegations
-Caveat Lector- Thanks Bill :-) , Thanks for the info . I did some checking around and discovered that both of the Senators from Nevada which voted on the Clinton impeachment voted non guilty . But what the heck it doesn't hurt to try . if nothing else they deserve to be pestered :-) . Divine~ Suppose you were a member of congress. And suppose you were an idiot. But I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain --- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/"Free Republic/A I got it from here http://www.freerepublic.com/ God Bless Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SOS - Support Our Soldiers ! - or NOT !!
-Caveat Lector- I'm sorry but this candle thing really burns my butt . First of all you are right , the Kosovo Crisis doesn't look good , for them or us . China and Russia have joined forces against this Iron Fisted Massacre and are NOT happy about the whole thing . Russia has publicly declared in it's own media and before the UN that they have no qualms against pulling out their nuclear arsenol if it does not stop. Considering that Russia really has nothing further to lose and that their only real commodities at this time are tanks and nuclear weapons I think it may be wise to heed this threat . Do you still support this power play , if it means your children will be among the troops to be sent in for slaughter by a very angry and well armed populace who simply don't want the NATO Police Force giving them ultimatums on how to run there own sovereign nation . How about if it sets off WW3 and the nukes start landing in your yard ? Is it it still a good idea then to get into the middle of another countries business which is not in any way harming another country , much less this one . You can rest assured that I will be praying for the safety of our soldiers as well as theirs , and even more for all the innocent people caught in the crossfire but the soldiers are most definitely not representing me or anything that I stand for and to support this strong armed atrocity hidden behind a hypocritical facade of humanitarian bunk because it's patriotic is just plain stupid . It is that kind of blind faith in the government , despite all reasonable facts proving otherwise that has put this country in the state that its in , where the Constitution is no more than a fading ideal that once was . Divine ~ One more fact you may not be aware of . Amongst those " evil enemies " of ours , namely the Jugolavian Albanians was counted one Mother Theresa . --- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- I received this from another list...I have already lit my candle ... please help these men and women going to Kosovo... May God watch over them ... and God Bless you for caring I'm sure you know by now. The Kosovo Crisis isn't looking good. SOS has started the Candles Across America Campaign to show our soldiers we support them. Please take just a second to stop by http://www.opsos.org/candles and see what this is about. We're trying to get candles burning in every state. Please spread the word to all... would love to see this spread like wild fire! Please keep our soldiers in your prayers, no matter what your religion is... they are supporting us by being there, so it is our patriotic duty to support them. God Bless A HREF="http://www.opsos.org/candles/"SOS - Support Our Soldiers !/A http://www.opsos.org/candles/ [The picture or image contained in this e-mail cannot be viewed using this version of AOL.] Please display this on your websites with a link to SOS Show our soldiers we're behind them! [The picture or image contained in this e-mail cannot be viewed using this version of AOL.] Go to this site and report that your candle is burning, Let's light up America! A HREF="http://www.opsos.org/candles/"SOS - Support Our Soldiers !/A http://www.opsos.org/candles/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION
[CTRL] To Bill Re: [CTRL] SOS - Support Our Soldiers ! - or NOT !!
-Caveat Lector- Hi Bill , I am glad that you did not take my message personally as I realized on hindsight that my response was a bit harsh , one thing noone can accuse me of is lack of passion :-) . I agree completely with your statement of response and would like to add that since Clinton has chosen to switch our defense system from one of Fire at Warning to " absorbtion " of first attack we are ALL doomed should Russia/China decide it's time to make their own power play . I also believe that should China start using the technology which Clinton has supplied to them against us that the true patriotic thing to do would be to prosecute him for treason . I toned this down from my original statement in lew of the adequately named SS . That is of course assuming that there is anyone left to do so . I do not believe that we of these United States are alone in this Kommunist Korporate plight , the "common" people the world over are suffering from this mentality , most of them much more than we . so far . May God help us all , Divine ~ - Money makes the world go around. Love just barely keeps it from blowing up - --- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- This gets me angry too but we must pray for the men and women who go there. I go so far to say Bill Clinton is a Communist and this has been planned to put our troops all over the world so the USA is not being properly defended. Bill Clinton has reasons to do things. He does have a sick mind but he has reasons. He has made our military to a size that is Pre-World War II. He has done everything to make us weak while the media and the Clintonista Administration protect every move he makes. The media never says how strong the Russian military is and how it is very much modernized. It probably is the strongest military in the world and with China it is almost is invincible. Clinton has caused this in many ways and has also gave secrets to China while the Congress passively watches by! The question is are there any more Americans in our government or are they all elite Satanic Masons? God Bless Bill In a message dated 3/26/99 5:35:08 AM GMT-5:00 - United States of Am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sorry but this candle thing really burns my butt . First of all you are right , the Kosovo Crisis doesn't look good , for them or us . China and Russia have joined forces against this Iron Fisted Massacre and are NOT happy about the whole thing . Russia has publicly declared in it's own media and before the UN that they have no qualms against pulling out their nuclear arsenol if it does not stop. Considering that Russia really has nothing further to lose and that their only real commodities at this time are tanks and nuclear weapons I think it may be wise to heed this threat . Do you still support this power play , if it means your children will be among the troops to be sent in for slaughter by a very angry and well armed populace who simply don't want the NATO Police Force giving them ultimatums on how to run there own sovereign nation . How about if it sets off WW3 and the nukes start landing in your yard ? Is it it still a good idea then to get into the middle of another countries business which is not in any way harming another country , much less this one . You can rest assured that I will be praying for the safety of our soldiers as well as theirs , and even more for all the innocent people caught in the crossfire but the soldiers are most definitely not representing me or anything that I stand for and to support this strong armed atrocity hidden behind a hypocritical facade of humanitarian bunk because it's patriotic is just plain stupid . It is that kind of blind faith in the government , despite all reasonable facts proving otherwise that has put this country in the state that its in , where the Constitution is no more than a fading ideal that once was . Divine ~ One more fact you may not be aware of . Amongst those " evil enemies " of ours , namely the Jugolavian Albanians was counted one Mother Theresa . --- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- I received this from another list...I have already lit my candle ... please help these men and women going to Kosovo... May God watch over them ... and God Bless you for caring I'm sure you know by now. The Kosovo Crisis isn't looking good. SOS has started the Candles Across America Campaign to show our soldiers we support
Re: [CTRL] To Bill Re: [CTRL] SOS - Support Our Soldiers ! - or NOT !!
-Caveat Lector- Epona , As I agree with your quote from TDR I am not sure which point it is that I made of which you can not believe I am serious about and therefore do not know how to respond . In regard to the US being a " super power " again that depends on the scope of your meaning . In regard to nucleur power aka military power capabilities that is most definitely not true . Which I pray will not be proven first hard . In regard to monetery strength that may very well be true , unfortunately the wealth is primarily distributed to the elite top 5% who has absolutely no interest in the benefit of the populice so long as there is someone around to do there dirty work for them and of course work themselves into the ground for crumbs in order to make them richer and hence more powerful . In an overall scope I believe that the Super Power lies not with ANY government open the face of the earth but upon a higher being from which I personally believe is the source of " the Golden hopes of men " Namaste , Divine ~ - "Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." -- George Bernard Shaw - --- Epona wrote: -Caveat Lector- I just can't believe that you are serious? The United States is the only superpower currently on planet earth, and has sadly not lived up to the most deeply moving words that I read at Mount Rushmore: viz Forgive the grammar.they are TDR's, not mine: "We here in America. hold in our hands the hope of the world. the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is demmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men." -Original Message- From: Divinewill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 March 1999 21:28 Subject: [CTRL] To Bill Re: [CTRL] SOS - Support Our Soldiers ! - or NOT !! -Caveat Lector- Hi Bill , I am glad that you did not take my message personally as I realized on hindsight that my response was a bit harsh , one thing noone can accuse me of is lack of passion :-) . I agree completely with your statement of response and would like to add that since Clinton has chosen to switch our defense system from one of Fire at Warning to " absorbtion " of first attack we are ALL doomed should Russia/China decide it's time to make their own power play . I also believe that should China start using the technology which Clinton has supplied to them against us that the true patriotic thing to do would be to prosecute him for treason . I toned this down from my original statement in lew of the adequately named SS . That is of course assuming that there is anyone left to do so . I do not believe that we of these United States are alone in this Kommunist Korporate plight , the "common" people the world over are suffering from this mentality , most of them much more than we . so far . May God help us all , Divine ~ --- -- Money makes the world go around. Love just barely keeps it from blowing up --- -- --- Bill Richer wrote: -Caveat Lector- This gets me angry too but we must pray for the men and women who go there. I go so far to say Bill Clinton is a Communist and this has been planned to put our troops all over the world so the USA is not being properly defended. Bill Clinton has reasons to do things. He does have a sick mind but he has reasons. He has made our military to a size that is Pre-World War II. He has done everything to make us weak while the media and the Clintonista Administration protect every move he makes. The media never says how strong the Russian military is and how it is very much modernized. It probably is the strongest military in the world and with China it is almost is invincible. Clinton has caused this in many ways and has also gave secrets to China while the Congress passively watches by! The question is are there any more Americans in our government or are they all elite Satanic Masons? God Bless Bill In a message dated 3/26/99 5:35:08 AM GMT-5:00 - United States of Am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sorry but this candle thing really burns my butt . First of all you are right , the Kosovo Crisis doesn't look good , for them or us . China and Russia have joined force
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: New Target/Searching Seoul
-Caveat Lector- Goodie , let's add North Korea to the list of nuclear capable countries that hate us Anyone out there getting worried yet ?? I know for one I will indeed be doing some soul searching . Divine ~ - Remember...not ALL people are your enemies...just the stupid ones - --- Kris Millegan wrote: ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alamaine Ratliff) To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "#Eu4Ea" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Target/Searching Seoul Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:52:16 -0600 From Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald Saturday, March 27, 1999 New target: Milosevic PictureVillagers from Lacevci near Kralevo look at missile damage. Image taken from Serbian television; (Below) USAF Force technician, Sgt Robert Roemer, checks a missile at an F-16 Falcon fighter hangar at Aviano's NATO air base in Northern Italy. (Bottom) A RAF Harrier fighter is prepared for take-off from Gioia Del Colle air base in Southern Italy. Photos by AFP By GEOFF KITNEY, Herald Correspondent in Berlin NATO has threatened to target President Slobodan Milosevic and his military commanders after the Yugoslav leader defiantly ordered his forces in Kosovo to continue their brutal campaign against ethnic Albanian separatists. A second and bigger wave of missile and bomb attacks on Serb targets was accompanied by escalating threats from both sides, with NATO indicating that it was prepared to fight until Milosevic's military structures were destroyed. NATO's supreme commander, General Wesley Clark, said there would be "no sanctuary" for Milosevic or his military leaders and that NATO was ready to destroy the Yugoslav Army. The United States Vice-President, Mr Al Gore, also raised the political stakes, saying Milosevic had "blood dripping from his hands" from "murdering his own people". This heightened political rhetoric suggests that the US goal now is to force Milosevic from power and bring him to account for years of military atrocities. As the threats intensified, B-52 bombers were preparing to take off from their base at Fairford in England to spearhead a third wave of bombing, a US Air Force spokesman said. PictureBut the prospect of a longer, more intense conflict is testing NATO unity and putting increasing domestic political pressure on alliance governments. Italy, which is critical to the operation because most aircraft involved are flying from its bases, indicated at a meeting of European leaders in Berlin that it wanted a quick end to the operation. British newspapers have reported that both Italy and Greece have cast doubt on continuing the bombing campaign. As well, Russia is a fierce critic of the air strikes, and the official China Daily newspaper has called the campaign "blatant aggression" and a barbarity. Hopes that Milosevic would back down and agree to a Kosovo peace plan receded further when Yugoslavia announced that it was severing diplomatic relations with the US, Britain, France and Germany. This came as protesters attacked Western embassies and representative offices in neighbouring Macedonia and Bosnia, and in Moscow and Canada. NATO's initial military objective had been to limit Milosevic's capacity to continue his Kosovo security operations. PictureBut it has hardened its position amid reports of renewed fighting in Kosovo and declarations by Serb leaders that they would continue to try to destroy the ethnic Albanian separatist movement and would never surrender to NATO military force. The Serbs claimed that the rebel Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) had used the cover of the NATO air strikes to step up attacks on government forces. But a spokesman for the KLA in London, Pleurat Sejeu, told the BBC that Yugoslav MiGjets were being used against ethnic Albanians. He said Serb forces had rounded up thousands of displaced ethnic Albanian civilians in the central Drenica region and were marching them towards Pristina. NATO's second wave of attacks - cruise missiles fired from warships and laser-guided bombs from nearly 70 aircraft - appeared to be directed more at targets in Kosovo, although targets throughout Yugoslavia were also hit. Western officials dismissed comments from Yugoslavia's Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Vuk Draskovic, suggesting that military operations in Kosovo could be stopped if the NATO bombing ended. One NATO diplomat said: "We have seen absolutely nothing from Milosevic to encourage us to believe that he is ready to back down. On the contrary, he is marshalling his forces for a long fight." There was also concern that the conflict was feeding tensions in neighbouring
Re: [CTRL] Serbia: Cartoonist is Eyewitness to NATO Attacks
-Caveat Lector- Hello to MsCountryLady , Thank You so much for forwarding these letters to us from Sasa . I have sent him e-mail wishing him and his country safety and forwarded reports regarding the protests here in the US against the NATO strikes . It is a rare opportunity for this madness to become a "real " event instead of the usual surreal war game mentality and it's accompanying non attachment to reality . Divine~ -- "The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations." -- David Friedman --- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Please Keep these reports from civilians in Serbia! This is good for us all to read. I passed on the last one and have gotten alot of response back on wanting more! Thanks, MsCountryLady DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
