[CTRL] HUMANE-KILLING

2000-11-12 Thread Rory Winter

-Caveat Lector-

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rudi Flieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Friends and Comrades,

We are living in the Days of Truth. For many decades, already, we
have lived
in a Post-Capitalist world where  Technology, Social and Medical
Progress
and World Peace has been severely UNDERMINED and NULLIFIED by a
crippled and
decadent system of production which should have been ended a very
long time
ago...

As you know, I write to you from Berlin, the Heart of Europe. Do you
also
know that Berlin has, since the days of Marx's Internationale,
remained
steadfastly Communist, Anarchist and Socialist? Even during the
darkest time
of Germany's Nazi occupation by that deranged Austrian drugfiend,
Adolf
Shickelgrueber, and our Famous Playwright, Bertholt Brecht, Berlin
remained
steadfastly socialist.

Anti-German attitudes, as well as all human xenophobia on Planet
Earth is
directly attributable to the corrupt and EVIL system that is much-
lauded by
the bloodsuckers of  the International Stock Exchanges and Wall
Street, the
latter which (it is well known) is the net supplier of armaments to
every
corner of the World.

You know, 99.9% of the Planet's current problems, such as war,
terrorism
and counter-terrorism, xenophobia, gangsterism, hard drug trafficking,
pollution, the destruction of Our Planet's Biosystem and related
technological disasters can be traced back to the roots of
capitalism, a
system of production that puts usury and financial extortion before
Life...

Practically all of the problems you folk discuss on CTRL are directly
attributable to the capitalist mode of production and the distorted,
murderous anti-values which spring from it. What we all should be
doing now
is not simply to observe and reflect on the effects of capitalism but
to do
EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR MEANS TO END THIS DIABOLICAL SPELL WHICH, ALBEIT
AGAINST THEIR WILL, STILL MESMERIZES THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PLANET!

Well, BIG EARTH CHANGES are coming. Much of Amerrika will soon be
swallowed
up by Massive Earthquakes and Tidal Waves. Finally, the
Babylonian/Capitalist system will be terminated by Mother Nature. It
is
against such impossible odds that the George Bushes and similar filth
are
fighting a last-ditch struggle of ultimate desperation.

America, now it is so easy to take out these criminals ... arch-
criminals
and BIGTIME SINNERS who have no other interest than to try and keep
humanity
under the control of its DEATH-RAY! Now, there is no excuse left for
any to
procrastinate and put off the inevitable: this KILLER mode of
production
must, by the WILL OF HUMANITY, be put down and the Planet be finally
rid of
it. In its place, we can introduce the LETS System, a friendly,
non-exploitative mode of production which can, in effect, replace
capitalism.

SO WHY AREN'T YOU ALL GETTING READY TO IMPLEMENTLETS INSTEAD OF
TALKING, AD
NAUSEAM, ABOUT THE EVIL EFFECTS OF CAPITALISM?

Make no mistake, My Friends, Iam talking here of NOTHIN LESS THAN THE
FINAL
REPLACEMENT OF WAGE-SLAVERY BY A SYSTEM OF COOPERATIVE SOCIAL
PRODUCTION
WHICH IS MONEYLESS ANDWHICH IS BASED ON THE PLANET'S NEEDS AND NOT
GREED.

The coming months will see the most tremendous Climatic, Geographical,
Social and Economic Upheaval this Anti-Civilization has ever known. WE
SHOULD BE PREPARING NOW TO BRING ABOUT THE POST-CAPITALIST ERA.

Can We, the People of Planet Earth, now ALL CONCENTRATE SINGLE-
MINDEDLY ON
THIS REALITY?

Liebe Freunde und Kameraden, Wir leben an den Tagen der Wahrheit. Vor
für
viele Dekaden bereits haben wir in einer Post-Capitalistgelebt welt,
in der
Technologie-, Sozial- und medizinischerfortschritt- und Weltfrieden
streng
durch ein verkrüppeltes und decadent System UNTERGRABEN WORDEN und
ANNULLIERT WORDEN ist der Produktion, das einer sehr langen Zeit
beendet
worden sein sollte..., Wie Sie wissen, schreibe ich Ihnen von Berlin,
das
Innere von Europa. Wissen Sie auch, daß Berlin, seit den Tagen von
Marx
Internationale, gebliebener steadfastly Kommunist, Anarchist und
Sozialist
hat? Sogar während der dunkelsten Zeit der Besetzung Nazi
Deutschlands durch
das deranged österreichisches drugfiend, Adolf Shickelgrueber, und
unser
berühmtes Playwright, Bertholt Brecht, Berlin blieb steadfastly
Sozialist.
Anti-Germanhaltung, sowie aller menschliche Xenophobia auf Planet
Masse ist
direkt dem verdorbenen zuzuschreibend und SCHLECHTES System, das
durch die
bloodsuckers der internationalen Börsen und der Wall Street
viel-much-lauded, die letzte, die (es ist) der Nettolieferant der
Bewaffnungen zu jeder Ecke der Welt weithin bekannt ist. Sie wissen,
99,9% der aktuellen Probleme des Planeten, wie Krieg, Terrorismus
und
Kostenzähler-Terrorismus, Xenophobia, gangsterism, das harte
Drogehandeln,
die Verunreinigung, die Zerstörung des Biosystems unseres Planeten
und die
in Verbindung gestandenen technologischen Unfälle können zurück zu den
Wurzeln von Kapitalismus, ein System verfolgt werden der Produktion,
die
setzt Wucher und finanzielle 

[CTRL] Amnesty International: Ngawang Sangdrol is a Buddhist nun who believes that Tibet should be independent from China.

2000-06-16 Thread Rory Winter
ME, 
USA41) John Greenman, Old Town, ME, USA42) Michael Greenman, Columbus, 
OH, USA43) Mary D. Cole, Madison, NJ,USA
44) Rory Winter, Forres, Scotland.
PLEASE COPY this email on to a new message, sign the bottom and 
forward it(It is better to copy rather than forward the petition) to 
everyone onyour address lists. If you receive this list with more than 50 
names onit, please e-mail a copy of it to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
.Even if you decide not to sign, please pass it over!Thank 
you.David Reith, member of group 10 amnesty international 
Austria.For further information about amnesty international and Tibet 
visit thefollowing sites:www.amnesty.org 
http://www.amnesty.orgwww.hrchina.com 
http://www.hrchina.comwww.amnesty.at http://www.amnesty.atFor 
a transcript of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights visit thefollowing 
site.www.un.org/Overview/rights.html 
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.htmlPlease note: 
Amnesty international takes no position on the question ofTibetan 
independence, self determination or any other 
territorialquestion.F 
R E E T I B E T C A M P A I G N1 Rosoman Place, London EC1R 0JY, 
U.K.Telephone: +44 (0)207 833 9958 Fax: +44 (0)207 833 3838http://www.freetibet.orgEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]- an independent 
membership organization campaigning in support of therights of the Tibetan 
people to freedom and 
independence.The 
views expressed here are not necessarily those of Free Tibet 
Campaign.


[CTRL] Brazilian Rain Forest project - Projet pour la foret brezilienne -

2000-06-16 Thread Rory Winter
» Lobato Pinheiro - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - 
07/07/8131-Ismael dos Santos Silva - RJ - 28/08/7932-Gustavo Alexandre 
Caetano Correa - RJ - 08/09/8033-Juana Varella Barca de Amorim - Rio de 
Janeiro, 14/03/8334-Nara Faria Silva -RJ- Rio de Janeiro , 
15/12/8235-Isabella Jaggi - SP - S*o Paulo, 03/12/8236-Diana de Andrade 
Freitas - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - 21/06/8337-Karina Dourado - S*o Paulo - 
18/01/8038-Pablo Genuncio Garcia - Rio de Janeiro - 27-06-8139-FabÃola 
Morais de Lucca - S*o Paulo - 03/02-7840-Alexei Morais de Lucca - S*o Paulo 
- SP - 12/08/7541-Renata Regina Roxo - S*o Paulo - SP - 
03/11/7442-Fernanda Teixeira - S*o Paulo - SP - 17/09/7643-Patricia 
Freitas - S*o Paulo - SP44-Cintia Regina K*rner - Alemanha - DE 
-45-Wolfgang K*rner - Alemanha - DE46-Roseani Vieira Rocha - San 
Francisco - CA47-Angela Ichimura - S*o Paulo - SP48-Assunta Viola - Sao 
Paulo - SP50-Marina Amaral - Alemanha - DE51-Fabian Rodrigues Caetano - 
Sao Paulo - SP - 15/01/197152-Luciana Cabrera- Santa Barbara- Ca53- 
Andrea Torres- Lahaina, Hawaii54- Carla Duarte- New York, NY55- Sergio 
Goes- New York, NY56- Itaal Shur - New York, NY57- Hiroyoku Sanada-New 
York,NY58- Marianne Ebert-new york,NY59- Gloriana M. Calhoun - New York, 
NY60- Roger Jazilek - New York, NY61- Cheryl To - New York, NY62- 
Judy Mercer - Paris, France63- Evelyne Pouget- Woodstock, NY64- 
Hera-Woodstock, NY65- Nicos Peonides - Cyprus - New York NY66 - Fiona 
Cousins - new York, NY67 - Alistair Millington - London, UK68 - Edgar 
Craggs - Bristol, UK69 - Chris Hastie - Nottingham, UK70 - Adam Barley - 
Bristol, UK71 - Dawn Morgan - Bristol, UK72 - Saryo van Lakerveld - Den 
Haag, The Netherlands73 - Joya Isabel van Lakerveld - Den Haag, The 
Netherlands74 - Mati Engwerda - Den Haag, The Netherlands75 - Melle 
Broeksma - Baarn, The Netherlands 10/07/6876 - Mireille Verheyen - Baarn, 
The Netherlands 23/06/6877 - Levi Broeksma - Baarn, The Netherlands 
26/07/9278 - Rosa Broeksma - Baarn, The Netherlands 21/01/9579 - Mark 
Anthierens - Brussels, Belgium, 12/02/6280 - Marleen De Frenne - Brussels, 
Belgium, 24/1081 - Paul de Groeve - Brussels, Belgium82 - Karel Deruwe - 
Antwerp, Belgium83 - Jurrit Gryseels Brussels, Belgium84 - Bram Dumolin 
- Kandy, Sri Lanka (02/01/1974)85 - Charles Dumolin - Brugge, 
Belgium86- yves thienpont - oostende, belgium87- 
AlternatieveGids.com - Neerpelt, Belgium88 -Jeanne Steur-Fifis - Lelystad, 
Holland89 - Hans Steur 
- Lelystad, Holland90 
- Sylviane Dubos - Falaise - France91 - Marjon Beukering - Eindhoven, 
Holland
92 - Rory Winter - Forres, Scotland


[CTRL] Fw: [7] BOOK of REVELATIONS [HTML]

2000-06-08 Thread Rory Winter




http://www.egroups.com/group/GAIALINK





  
  Please send around the World
  
  www.world-action.com 


   
   
  THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS



  They 
  sang a new song from every tribe 
  and 
  language and people and nation 
  I 
  heard the number of those who were sealed, 
  144,000 from all the tribes 
   
   
  After 
  this I looked and there before me was 
  
  a 
  great multitude that no-one could count, 
  from 
  every nation, tribe, people and language 
  



  Never 
  again will they hunger, 
  never 
  again will they thirst. 
  The 
  sun will not beat upon them, 
  nor 
  any scorching heat






  I saw 
  another mighty angel 
  coming down from heaven 
   
   
  He 
  was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow 
  above 
  his head and his face was like the Sun




  



  * * 
  * * * * * * * * * * 
   



   
   
   


  A 
  great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: 
   
   
  a woman clothed with the Sun, with the moon 
  
  under 
  her feet and a crown of twelve stars 
  on 
  her head







  I 
  heard a sound from heaven 
   
  like 
  the roar of rushing 
  waters 
   
   
  The 
  sound I heard 
   
   
  was 
  like that of harpists 
   
  and 
  they sang a new song 




   
   
  I saw 
  an angel standing in the Sun, 
  
  who 
  cried in a loud voice 
   
   
  "COME, GATHER TOGETHER"






  I saw 
  a new Heaven and a new 
Earth



  I saw 
  the Holy City, the New 
  Jerusalem, 
   
  coming down out of heaven from God, 
   
  prepared as a bride beautifully dressed 
   
  for 
  her husband





  There 
  will be no more death 
  or 
  mourning or crying or pain, for the 
  
  old 
  order of things has passed away 




  The 
  Spirit and the Bride say, "COME!" 
   
   
  And 
  let him who hears say, "COME!" 
   
   
   
  Whoever is thirsty, 
  let him come; 
  and whoever wishes, 
  let her take the free 
  gift of the water of 
  life 
  
  



After 
this I looked and there before me 
was a 
great multitude that no-one could count, 
from every nation, tribe, people and 
language 





COME, GATHER TOGETHER







  www.world-action.com 
   
  World-Action  Rainbow Dream 
  Vision 
  The Book of 
  Revelations and the Native American RAINBOW DREAM VISION 
  
  both say the same thing. First a small group of committed people will 
  come together 
  around the world. Soon they 
  will be joined by a large multitude 
  and the world will 
  change That time has 
  come 
  


Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE

2000-06-05 Thread Rory Winter



 From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 English people seldom 
get abducted by greys according to a UK UFO mag.
  Maybe they taste bad.

Nessie's trolling again. Well, here's a 
thought:

Most nationalities don't get abducted by greys. Maybe the 
ones which do -notablyYanquis in comparatively large numbers- have some 
odd deviant quirk in their DNA makeup which interests the greys? Like indigenous 
American peoples (do many of them get abducted?) most of us do wonder about the  
mental equilibrium of los Yanquis. To us you lot ARE Aliens interested only in 
world domination.
 Perhaps the space aliens know UK cuisine 
sucks... ;-)

Average British cuisine  these days is more likely to be 
basedon frozen foods marketed by US corporations, BirdsEye, McDonalds, 
BurgerKing etc. We do eat a lot of hot East Indian cuisine these days. Maybe the 
Aliens can't handle that!

Rory.


[CTRL] Fw: 17 Aug 2000 - WORLD GATHERING

2000-05-27 Thread Rory Winter



Subject: 17 August 2000 
- The WORLD GATHERING*Please send this e-mail around the WORLDI M P O R 
T A N TPlease pass this information around the world as soon as 
possible*1 7 A U G U S T 2 0 0 0T h e W O R L 
D G A T H E R I N G
It's time to change the 
worldT O G E T H E R, 
WE CAN DO ITWhat are YOUR visions, dreams and hopesfor the 
world?? YOU are importantIT IS TIME FOR EACH OF US TO 
SPEAK UP, TO ACT AND 
TOCREATE THE WORLD WE ALL HOPE FOR - NOW IS THE 
TIME
*Suggestions on 
how to celebrate17 AUGUST, each year, follow later
oooTHE 
IMPORTANCE OF AUGUST 17On AUGUST 16/17 1987, the Mayan scholar, Jose 
Arguelles, called for aglobal link-up. About 2 million people met at power 
spots and places ofnatural beauty around the planet.Jose picked a 
date straight out of the Native American 'Rainbow DreamVision': AUGUST 
17.For AUGUST 17, 2000, the RAINBOW DREAM VISION 
- also knownas 'The 20 Count' (the 20 years of 1993 to 2013) - 
states:"ON 17 AUGUST 2000, THE VARIOUS WINGED 
SERPENT WHEELS[ie individuals and groups working positively for the Earth 
and Humanity]WILL BEGIN TO TURN, TO DANCE ONCE AGAIN AND WHEN THEYDO THE 
RAINBOW LIGHTS WILL BE SEEN IN DREAMS ALL OVERTHE WORLD AND THESE RAINBOW 
LIGHT DREAMS WILL HELPAWAKEN THE REST OF HUMANITY"See 
INTERNET: http://www.world-action.com
RAINBOW DREAM VISION 
- [Vision of Hope 1993-2013]
Y E A R 2 0 0 0:"144,000 SUN DANCE ENLIGHTENED TEACHERS WILL TOTALLYAWAKEN IN 
THEIR DREAM MINDBODIES. THEY WILL BEGIN TOMEET IN THEIR OWN FEATHERED 
SERPENT OR WINGED SERPENTWHEELS AND BECOME A MAJOR FORCE OF THE LIGHT TO 
HELPTHE REST OF HUMANITY TO DANCE THEIR DREAM AWAKE.A SUN DANCER IS ANY 
HUMAN BEING WHO HAS AWAKENED,WHO HAS BALANCED THEIR SHIELDS AND WHO HAS 
GAINEDTHE DREAM MINDBODY. THIS IS A SACRED DANCE. THAT ISWHAT 2000 IS 
ALL ABOUT. IN 2000, 144,000 AWAKENED SOULSWILL SIT DOWN IN 
GATHERING TOGETHER CIRCLES. MANY OFTHESE WILL BE THE SO-CALLED 'COMMON 
PEOPLE' AND NOTTHE TEACHERS YOU SEE UP THERE NOW.ON 17 AUGUST 2000, 
THE VARIOUS WINGED SERPENT WHEELSWILL BEGIN TO TURN, TO DANCE ONCE AGAIN AND 
WHEN THEYDO THE RAINBOW LIGHTS WILL BE SEEN IN DREAMS ALL OVERTHE WORLD 
AND THESE RAINBOW LIGHT DREAMS WILL HELPAWAKEN THE REST OF 
HUMANITY"(Some people have already seen the 'Rainbow Lights' in 
their dreams.Quite simply, you see something like a bright, rainbow spectrum 
of lights.)See: http://www.world-action.com
The RAINBOW DREAM VISION, of North America, is 
saying the samething as the positive parts of the 
BOOK of REVELATIONS from The Bible:"THEY SANG A NEW SONG 
FROM EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGEAND PEOPLE AND NATION. I HEARD THE NUMBER 
OF THOSEWHO WERE SEALED, 144,000 FROM ALL THE TRIBES AFTER THISI 
LOOKED AND THERE BEFORE ME WAS A GREAT MULTITUDE THATNO-ONE COULD COUNT FROM 
EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLEAND LANGUAGE.NEVER AGAIN WILL THEY 
HUNGER, NEVER AGAIN WILL THEY THIRST.THE SUN WILL NOT BEAT UPON THEM, NOR 
ANY SCORCHING HEAT.I SAW ANOTHER MIGHTY ANGEL COMING DOWN FROM GOD 
OUTOF HEAVEN. HE WAS ROBED IN A CLOUD, WITH A RAINBOW ABOVEHIS HEAD AND HIS FACE WAS LIKE THE 
SUN. A GREAT ANDWONDROUS SIGN APPEARED IN HEAVEN: A WOMAN 
CLOTHEDWITH THE SUN, WITH THE MOON 
UNDER HER FEET AND A CROWNOF TWELVE STARS ON HER HEAD.I SAW AN ANGEL 
STANDING IN THE SUN,WHO CRIED IN A LOUD VOICE,"C O 
M E, G A T H E R T O G E T H E R"I SAW A 
NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.I SAW THE HOLY CITY, THE NEW JERUSALEM, COMING 
DOWNOUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD, PREPARED AS A BRIDE BEAUTIFULLYDRESSED FOR 
HER HUSBAND.THERE WILL BE NO MORE DEATH OR MOURNING OR CRYINGOR 
PAIN, FOR THE OLD ORDER OF THINGS HAS PASSED AWAY.THE SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE 
SAY, "COME!"AND LET SHE WHO HEARS SAY, "COME!"WHOEVER IS THIRSTY, LET HER COME, AND WHOEVER 
WISHESLET HER TAKE THE FREE GIFT OF THE WATERS OF LIFE."The Book of 
Revelations - The Bible
oIT'S 
TIME TO DANCEACTLIVESPEAKSINGPRAYLOVE OUR 
DREAMS AWAKE
oSUGGESTIONS 
FOR 17 AUGUST - EVERY YEART H E W O R L 
D G A T H E R I N GGATHER at Sacred Sites and placesof 
natural beauty every year on 17 AUGUSTMAKE CONTACT with other 
peoplewho are concerned for the Earth  HumanityMAKE PLANS 
- NETWORKCELEBRATE - DEDICATE YOURSELFT O G E T H 
E R - WE CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCESoon, this global link-up 
may growto be many, many millions of peoplePRACTICAL SUGGESTIONS FOR 
THE AUGUST 17 GLOBAL LINK UPIn years when the 17th of August is a 
weekday, if you prefer, use thenearest Saturday or Sunday to celebrate your 
connection to the WorldGathering. And/or, if you are working on 17 
AUGUST, join with othersin the evening, or when you can during the day, or 
just link in yourmind when you remember.. THE WORLD 
GATHERING.
If you can, on AUGUST 17, or 
the nearest Saturday or Sunday,organise friends and contacts to do something 
different. go toan ancient Sacred Site or a place of natural beauty and 
enjoy beingin the fresh air, enjoying your 

[CTRL] PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS ACTION ALERT AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.

2000-05-13 Thread Rory Winter




Dear Cyberactivist,PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS 
ACTION ALERT AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.TAKE ACTION Four Greenpeace 
volunteers have been put in a jail after protesting for less toxic pollution 
from the world's largest incinerator in Tokyo. In addition the police raided 
the Greenpeace office in Tokyo and our flagship "The Rainbow 
Warrior". You can let Prime Minster Yoshiro Mori of Japan know that you 
want the four activists released immediately. Not only because they rightly 
campaigned for a better environment, but also because the Japanese police 
is not upholding internationally agreed upon human rights in the way 
theactivists will be held under arrest for more than 10 days. Please copy 
and paste the letter below and send from the website 
below.URL:http://www.iijnet.or.jp/sorifu/kantei/foreign/comment.html 
You can also tell him in your own words what you think of this unwarranted 
action by the Japanese police on his personal website. Thank you 
for your help. To: Prime Minister Yoshiro 
Mori  Dear Prime Minister Mori, 
Undoubtedly you have already been informed about the arrest of 4 
Greenpeace activists on May 9.It is because of their arrest that I 
am calling on you to use all means at your disposal to ensure that these 
non-violent activists are released from custody immediately. In addition to 
this I call your attention to the 11th of May when, in an unjustifiable 
action by the police, the Greenpeace flagship "The Rainbow Warrior" and the 
Greenpeace office in Tokyo were raided. Greenpeace campaigns on behalf 
of its supporters and the values of the public all over the world for a 
cleaner environment. The four Greenpeace activists from China, Belgium, The 
Netherlands and UK were arrested after climbing the tower of an incinerator 
complex in Toshima Ward in Tokyo, wherethey later unfurled a banner 
proclaiming Tokyo as the world's Dioxin Capital. As you undoubtedly will 
know as well Japan has the highest levels of dioxin emissions in the world 
today, primarily a consequence of having the highest number of waste 
incinerators than any other country on 
theplanet. You are aware of the substantial 
environmental problems Japan is already facing from these dioxin emissions 
especially the ongoing pollution of the environment with toxic chemicals 
like PCB's and other Persistent Organic Pollutants. I find it very strange 
to accept that these activists; the people who give all they have to fight 
pollution of the Japanese environment are now being detained in a Tokyo 
prison cell.  I am also very concerned as the 
activists will be held in custody under the so called "substitute prison 
system" (daiyo kanguko). As you will know, under this system a suspect can 
be held for 48 hours with a 10 day extension, sometimes even followed by a 
further 10 day extension. International human rights organisations like 
Amnesty International have repeatedly argued that this system is a clear 
violation of the universal right of each individual to be considered 
innocent unless proven guilty.  I personally 
believe that the Greenpeace activists did not commit a crime but acted in 
the best interest possible for both me, and people in Japan, by fighting 
global environmental pollution from a dirty technology like incineration. I 
am also shocked to find that in a modern country as Japan the universality 
of human rights is not respected by still holding prisoners under the "daiyo 
kanguko" system. Recalling the universality of 
human rights, and in light of the global and just cause the arrested 
activists campaign for, I call upon you to use all possible channels of 
communication at your disposal to ensure the immediate release of these 
activists.  Yours 
Sincerely,ends.Thank you for your contiuned 
support.Martin BakerCommunications Development 
ManagerGreenpeace InternationalKeizersgracht 1761016 DW 
AmsterdamTHE NETHERLANDStel: +31 20 523 6222/6287fax: +31 20 523 
6200/6212e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]website: 
http://www.greenpeace.org
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[CTRL] Check it out!!

2000-05-08 Thread Rory Winter




Do you know you're being watched every time you surf the 
Internet?

Check out http://www.idcide.com - It 
helps!


[CTRL] Save the St Bernard Dogs.

2000-05-06 Thread Rory Winter



Please sign this Petition and circulate 
it amongst your friends. Thank You.With Love, 
Rory.Greetings, Rory Winter has passed this petition on to you 
for you to sign and send to others. Here is a brief description of the 
petition: TITLE: Save the St Bernard DogsDESCRIPTION: St Bernards 
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[CTRL] Watch for LoveLetter virus copycats!

2000-05-05 Thread Rory Winter




Watch for 
"LoveLetter" virus copycats
Over the last 24 
hours, new strains of the "LoveLetter" virus have been reported. To prevent 
infection by these "LoveLetter" virus copycats, do not open mail with these 
subjects:
1) "fwd: Joke"
2) "Susitikim shi vakara kavos puodukui"
3) "Mothers Day Order Confirmation"
If you receive an email with one of these subjects, delete it immediately. 
BigFix also recommends that you update your virus scanning software to deal with 
the latest viruses. Click here http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-04.html 
for a list of vendor-specific anti-virus 
updates. NOTE: In general, you should only open an attachment if you are already 
expecting to receive a file of that type from the sender. 

From Bigfix, 6 May 2000 http://www.bigfix.com/
Please feel free to share this information with your 
cyberfriends.

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[CTRL] Help Save the Rainforest

2000-04-18 Thread Rory Winter





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Re: [CTRL] Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/Fascist Groups

2000-02-18 Thread Rory Winter

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Date:Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:15:30 -0800
From:Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/Fascist Groups

You write,

And where do you suggest we draw the line?  What is the yardstick you
suggest to measure by which groups should have their Constitutionally
assured right to free speech abridged?

I'd rather these online services be ENCOURAGED to provide space to these
'fringe' groups, as I'd much prefer it be EASIER for people to see for
themselves what these groups espouse, rather than have the information
filtered through politically correct third parties

The beauty of our form of government is that ANY group, no matter how
heinious, has the right to free speech and free assembly...

June

Yep, this topic is always guaranteed to cause a whole lot of argumentation
and squabbling amongst liberals, democrats and free speechers!

I hear what you say and acknowledge its validity. Paul Kneisel is quite
correct in limiting his appeal by asking us to protest the manner in which
Yahoo appears to be breaking its *own* regulations by allowing race-hate
groups the freedom of  using its services.

We could go on forever arguing the pros and cons of allowing such people the
same constitutional rights as others. Based on its historic foundations the
US Constitution seeks to protect an individual's basic human rights -noble
principles which have been used as a constitutional model by more recent
democracies.

As a European, perhaps my gut reaction towards neo-nazi race hate groups
could be said to be conditioned by the utter devastation caused on this
sub-continent by a former Austrian madman, Shickelgruber. To see history
threatening to repeat itself in the very same country is, for me, a
confirmation that the opportunistic Haiders of this world know that nazism
and race hate is like a virus which lies dormant in the capitalist system
waiting for an appropriate moment in which it can be used, quite
calculatedly, for their political gain.

Nazis will use democracy to obtain power. And once in power they trash it.
History has proved that to be so. That is why I believe that the best policy
towards this virus is zero-tolerance. That's my personal belief and I know
that a lot of folk would accuse me of being just as bad as the opposition.
Maybe. I call it self defence.

I'm sure I will be corrected if wrong but I don't believe that there is
anything in the US Constitution which actually guarantees the right of
anyone to openly preach race hate, anti-semitism and the like. Freedom of
speech is surely one thing, its abuse another.

Rory Winter.

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[CTRL] Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/Fascist Groups

2000-02-17 Thread Rory Winter



Dear Friends,

I am passing on this information as I feel this is 
something that concerns us all ... 

It may shock you as it did me to read this and the 
attachments but I hope you will not feel offended by my sending it. If you do, 
then feel free to delete it. Otherwise I would ask you to do three 
things:

(1) Go down to the bottom of this e-mail to the List of 
28 Yahoo "clubs" and copy them to a blank e-mail.

(2) Write to Yahoo and demand that they enforce their 
own contract byimmediately removing these "clubs" and denying them any 
additional freeYahoo services. The address for complaints is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here is a sample letter:

"It is impossible to believe that Yahoo cannot understand that these groups 
(see List) violate the very Terms Of Service that Yahoo imposes on these 
"clubs." These terms state that "You agree to not use the Service to: a. upload, 
post, email or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, 
threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, 
libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or 
otherwise objectionable

Like many others, I am writing to demand thatYahoo should enforce its 
own regulations by immediately removing these "clubs" and denying them any 
additional free Yahoo services."

(3)Inform your friends, members of your 
church/synagogue, club, mailing list, andother organizations of Yahoo's 
sponsorship of these groups so that they canalso protest.

"For evil to triumph it is only necessary for the Good 
to do nothing."

Rory 
Winter.
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Kneisel" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 5:25 PM
Subject: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/Fascist Groups

 Dear friend,  I am writing to you about a 
deepening of the situation on the internet where Yahoo is providing free 
internet services for fascist and other hate-based organizations to help 
those groups spread their message.  Readers originally wrote to 
us about Yahoo's sponsorship of a free "club" for Matt Hale's virulently 
racist and anti-Semitic World Church of the Creator. Many complained to 
Yahoo.  But upon checking how Yahoo has acted on these 
complaints we discovered a host of other racist and hate-based groups 
all receiving free Yahoo support to spread their propaganda. Some of 
these include the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Power, Pure White 
Rage, Aryan Nazi SS Skinheads, Christian Identity Club, and the 
AntiAsian and Minority Groups.  It is difficult to impossible to 
believe that Yahoo cannot understand that these groups violate the very 
Terms Of Service that Yahoo imposes on these "clubs." These terms state 
that "You agree to not use the Service to: a. upload, post, email or 
otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, 
abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, 
invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or 
otherwise objectionable"  WHAT YOU CAN DO:  
Write to Yahoo and demand that they enforce their own contract by 
immediately removing these "clubs" and denying them any additional free 
Yahoo services. The address for complaints is [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
 Inform your friends, members of your synagogue, club, mailing list, 
and other organizations of Yahoo's sponsorship of these groups so that 
they can also protest.  We are not demanding that Yahoo 
do anything other than what it has promised in its Terms Of Service: 
stop providing free resources for hate-oriented action groups. 
 You can verify the material about Yahoo via these URLs: 
 Yahoo Clubs For "White_Pride_and_Racialism"
http://clubs.yahoo.com/Cultures___Community/Groups/White_Pride_and_Racialism/
  Yahoo Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
 With anti-fascist greetings,   -- tallpaul 
(Paul Kneisel)  editor: The Internet 
Anti-Fascist  PS: Those of us active in the old campaign against 
the Usenet news group called rec.music.white-power remember 
making one big mistake in our organizing. We did not include a "cut off 
date" for the protests; as a result, protests were still circulating on 
the net a year later! Learning from this, we have created a special 
"Status of protest" at http://www.anti-fascism.org. We can use this to 
inform people if the racist / fascist groups are still up and the 
protest continues or whether they've been removed so that people need 
not complain anymore.



  
  
Rank
Club Name
Description
Members
  
1.
Anti 
  Racism
Racists and non racists come here to debate
183
  
2.
Knights of 
  the Ku KIux Klan
Putting a new face of the KKK
169
  
3.
Ban 
Racism
A place for people who are against racism to chat
162
  
4.
Racia

[CTRL] Fw: SOLIDARIDAD CON BRIAN

2000-02-07 Thread Rory Winter
Title: RV: SOLIDARIDAD CON BRIAN




- Original Message - 
From: MAF2000 
To: Fernando de la Fuente 
Cc: Rory Winter ; Ramon Gaiteiro ; 
Maria Rosario Estrada M. ; Instituto Alef ; GABRIEL SUAREZ ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 10:39 PM
Subject: RE: SOLIDARIDAD CON BRIAN

Dear Friends,

The enclosed letter (see attachment) was sent me 
today by a friend of mine in Spain (see the text below). I would be grateful if 
you would read my translation and help simply by sending the letter on to all 
your email contacts with a request that they should do the same. This seems to 
be a way where we can really make Internet work for the good. I hope you will 
agree and help!

Rory Winter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is about a boyin Buenos Aires 
(Brian) that has a malformation of the heart and needs a transplant. The cost of 
the operation is of $115,200. 
ISP (Internet Service Provider) within 
the country or abroad will pay $ 0.01for each email that is sent with this 
title: SOLIDARIDAD CON BRIAN. It is necessary to act quickly. 
11.5 million of ' emilios' are needed to finance the operation. A Notebook with 
a modem has been put next to Brian's bed so that he can keep count. If you 
sendthis request to all the people who you know, you will take about 2 
minutes but, nevertheless, this will help to save the life of a boy. 
I requestthat you do not 
break the chain and that, mainly, you do not forget to put the same title, 
SOLIDARIDAD CON BRIAN, since it is the only form of control for 
the ISP. 
Thank you very much. 
Se trata de un chico de 
Buenos Aires (Brian) que tiene una malformación del corazón y precisa un 
transplante. El coste de la operación es de $115,200. 
Las ISP (Internet Service 
Provider) dentro del país o en el extranjero pagarán $ 0,01 por cada e-mail que 
se envíe con este título: SOLIDARIDAD CON BRIAN. Es preciso actuar 
rápidamente. Se necesitan 11,5 millones de 'emilios' para financiar la 
operación. Se le ha puesto a Brian un Notebook al lado de su cama con un 
modem para que pueda ir contando. Si lo enviáis a todas las personas que 
conocéis, tardaréis 2 minutos y, sin embargo, esto ayudará a salvar la vida de 
un niño. 
Os ruego que no rompáis la cadena 
y que, sobre todo, no olvidéis poner el mismo título, ya que es la única forma 
de control para las ISP. 
Muchas gracias. 
COPY OF ORIGINAL EMAIL SENT 
TO ME BY MAF 2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Fernando de 
  la Fuente 
  To: Yolanda 
  Sádaba ; Victoria Andrade ; Víctor Astray ; 
  Thierry Parmentier ; Teresa de la Fuente ; Silvestre Carrajo González ; Rafael Gallo ; Price WaterhoseCoopers ; Positron ; Page Ibérica ; 
  paco garcia 
  castro ; Olga González ; Norconsult ; Miguel Angel de la 
  Fuente ; Miguel Angel de la Fuente ; May ; Mark Rocky ; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; M. Angel de la 
  Fuente ; Lucas 
  Calzado ; Julio Alberto Rodrigo ; Juan José 
  Bermejo ; Juan Ferrero ; Juan Carlos 
  García ; Juan Antonio Zarategui ; José 
  Manuel Abascal ; José Luis Ruiz Vega ; José Benito García 
  Cuéllar ; Jose Antonio Lizcano ; José Antonio Acosta 
  ; JON ARREAL ; Jesús Mendilibar ; Jesús Cogolludo ; Javier Corrales ; 
  Ildefonso 
  Fernádez ; GCA SEARCH ; Francisco Moreno ; Francisco 
  Martín ; Francesc 
  Cruz Cueva ; Fernando Montes ; Fernando Gómez 
  Zapatero ; Fernando Fominaya ; Fernando 
  ESTRADA ; Fernando de la Fuente ; Fernando 
  de la Fuente ; Félix Pérez ; Eduardo Villamil ; Eduardo 
  Carrizosa ; Eduard Blasco ; dopp 
  Madrid ; DMR Consulting Group ; Christian Dodelin ; BT Telecomunicaciones ; Benedicto Lizcano 
  ; Antonio 
  Cremades ; Antonio Candel ; Antonio Andújar ; Angela Uya ; Alejandro 
  Calzado ; Alberto Jiménez 
  Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 3:52 
  PM
  Subject: RV: SOLIDARIDAD CON BRIAN
  
  
  Fernando de la Fuentetel. 91 506 64 
  42 fax 91 506 61 63[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  -Mensaje original-De: 
  Mº Victoria Andrade [EMAIL PROTECTED]Para: 
  Roberto Hernando [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Miguel Angel 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  May Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  JON ARREAL ORBEA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paco Martin Caballero 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Félix 
  Pérez Martínez [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fernando de 
  la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Alberto 
  Jimenez [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  Almudena Jiménez [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fecha: viernes 
  4 de febrero de 2000 14:37Asunto: RV: SOLIDARIDAD CON 
  BRIAN
  
  -Mensaje original-De: 
  Carrizosa Fuertes, Eduardo [EMAIL PROTECTED]Para: 
  Adelf Ferre (Correo electrónico) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fecha: 
  jueves 3 de febrero de 2000 19:52Asunto: RV: SOLIDARIDAD CON 
  BRIAN
  -Mensaje original- De: Garzón Cruz, Mª Isabel Enviado el: jueves 3 de febrero de 2000 16:02 Para: Jover Laparra, 
  Pablo Antonio; Abascal Morte, Teresa; Abela Luque, Carlos; Abelenda 
  Santa-Cruz, Cristina; Abella Gavela, Blanca; Abellán Colodrón, Fco. Javier; 
  Abollado Rubio, Fco. Javier; Abraira Santos, Angeles; Acebal Moris, Agustin

[CTRL] KFC.

2000-01-22 Thread Rory Winter



- Original Message - From: Rory Winter 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: baron,john.r.kuipers 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 8:19 PM 
Subject: KFC. 
Woops! I think we were the gullible victims of an urban legend! See 
attachments ...
Woops! Je pense que nous étions les victimes crédules d'un urban legend! Voir 
les connexions...
Woops! Ich denke, daß wir die gullible Opfer eines urban legend waren! Sehen 
Sie Zubehöre...
Woops! Eu penso que nós éramos as vítimas gullible de um urban legend! Veja 
acessórios...
Woops! Pienso que éramos las víctimas gullible de un urban legend! Vea las 
conexiones... 
Rory.


 Kentucky Fried Chicken Hoax.hot
 Tastes Like Chicken.hot
 Urban Legends and Folklore.hot
 Research Report.hot


[CTRL] Fw: [Fwd: Fwd: KFC.....Finger Lickin' Good? I think not...... muhahaha ;)]

2000-01-20 Thread Rory Winter

-Caveat Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-

- Original Message -
From: "baron,john.r.kuipers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Kuipers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:25 PM
Subject: Fw: [Fwd: Fwd: KFC.Finger Lickin' Good? I think not..
muhahaha ;)]

Date: January 13, 2000 6:17 PM
Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: KFC.Finger Lickin' Good? I think not.. muhahaha

 yummy!!!

KFC Anyone?

makes you wonder ...

KFC has been a part of American tradition for many years. Many people, day
in and day out, eat at KFC religiously. Do they really know what they are
eating? During a recent study of KFC done at the University of New
Hampshire, they found some very upsetting facts. First of all, has anybody
noticed that just recently, the company has changed their name?

Kentucky Fried Chicken has become KFC. Does anybody know why? We thought the
real reason was because of the "FRIED" food issue. It's not!

The reason why they call it KFC is because they cannot use the word chicken
anymore.Why? KFC does not use real chickens. They actually use genetically
manipulated organisms. These so called "chickens" are kept alive by tubes
inserted into their bodies to pump blood and nutrients throughout their
structure. They have no beaks, no feathers, and no feet. Their bone
structure is dramatically shrunk to get more meat out of them.

This is great for KFC because they do not have to pay so much for their
production costs. There is no more plucking of the feathers or the removal
of the beaks and feet. The government has told them to change all of their
menus so they do not say chicken anywhere. If you look closely you will
notice this. Listen to their commercials, I guarantee you will not see or
hear the word chicken. I find this matter to be very disturbing.

I hope people will start to realize this and let other people know. Please
forward this message to as many people as you can. Together we can make KFC
start using real chicken again.

**

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[CTRL] Royal Raymond Rife

2000-01-18 Thread Rory Winter

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/A -Cui Bono?-

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Munkasey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Stanley Bartlett" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:59 PM
Subject: Interesting Article


Preparedness Journal, Vol. 6, No. 1, 1998; P. 23

  Royal Raymond Rife  Who Was This Man?
  By Robert Houchins

Get ready for a shock.  I urge you to keep an open mind and reserve
judgment until you read all the facts.  This is the true story of the use
of deceit, arson, sabotage and murder to deliberately bury what doctors
called "the end to all disease."

The scientist, Royal Raymond Rife discovered that the unique electronic
signature of each specific disease, can be modified to eliminate nearly
every affliction known to man rapidly and harmlessly.  The distinguished
medical doctors who originally confirmed part or all of this claim
included: E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo
Clinic), Frederic Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae
Inoue (Japan), George Mazet (France), Franz Gerlach (Germany), Niello Mori
and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill University), T.J. Glover
(Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab, Bay Pines, Fla.), Irene
Diller (Institute of Cancer Research, Phila., Penn), Eleanor Alex Jackson
and Virginia Livingston (NJ and San Diego clinics).

The University of Southern California sponsored a special medical research
team years ago, to evaluate this electronic therapy on the terminally ill.
An initial success rate of 87.5% was recorded.  After some improvements
were made on the treatments, all 16 patients in the study, had recovered
without side effects of any kind after 130 days.  The medical team which
evaluated the therapy for the University of Southern California included:
Rufus Klein Schmidt (President, University of Southern California), Milbank
Johnson (then President of the southern Calif. AMA), Arthur Kendall
(Director, Northwestern Medical School), Edward Kopps (Metabolic Clinic, La
Jolla), George Fischer (Children's Hospital, NY), Karl Meyer (Hooper
Foundation, San Francisco), Whalen Morrison (Chief Surgeon, Santa Fe
Railway), George Dock.

The gifted scientist Royal Raymond Rife truly had discovered the cure for
deadly disease.  His treatments were based upon a mechanical application of
frequency to the body.  Other medical treatments were either biological or
chemical in nature and depended on the body's own immune system to heal the
sickness.  In reality a sick person has a very poor immune system or one
that is temporarily losing the battle.  Rife's discoveries took the burden
of healing off the body and left only the task of removing the dead disease
from the systems.  Rife's work was so astonishing that he was awarded 14
government contracts to develop practical uses for his discoveries of
specific frequency.  Rife discovered that any disease can be eliminated
with frequencies based on its individual electromagnetic signature.  One of
his projects was to eliminate the diseases that were plaguing the poultry
industry.  He treated an entire flock of chickens and made them disease
free.  One government contract requested that he destroy the bacteria in
fossil fuels so that our national reserve of gas and oil would not spoil
and could be stored indefinitely without being replaced every few months.
Think of the money that would be saved by the American public.  Alas,
Richard Nixon announced that his friends in the oil industry would never
have to worry about Rife hurting their business and had his inventions
destroyed.

Royal Raymond Rife was perhaps the most brilliant and persistent scientist
in history.  What follows is a brief description of how he developed this
remarkable technology.  Where technology didn't exist, Rife invented it,
such as the first microdissectors, micromanipulators, and heterodyning
ultraviolet microscopes.  He won 14 government awards for scientific
discoveries, and a medical degree (honorary) from the University of
Heidelberg.  Millionaires like Henry Timken (owner of Timken Bearings)
financed Rife's work, such as the Universal Microscope, with 5,682 parts.
With this superb microscope, Royal Raymond Rife became the first human
being to actually see a living virus in its natural color.  After nearly
20,000 unsuccessful attempts, Rife finally isolated and identified the
human cancer virus, and named it "Cryptocides Primordiales." Rife
inoculated 400 lab animals with this virus, created 400 tumors, and then
eliminated them.  He did the same with many other diseases.  The
discoveries of Rife were presented to the Smithsonian Institute in
Washington and the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia along with the
instruments used.  This is all chronicled in "The Cancer Cure That Worked,"
a book written by Barry Lynes in 1987.

How did Rife's instruments eliminate so many different afflictions? For
decades, Rife 

[CTRL] Fw: [Chitchatline] More virus warnings IMPORTANT

1999-11-22 Thread Rory Winter

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 7:51 PM
Subject: [Chitchatline] More virus warnings IMPORTANT


 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]





4 very serious warnings
 
   WARNING No. 1
If you receive any CELCOM Screen Saver. Pls. do not
install it!!  This screensaver is very cool. It
shows a NOKIA handphone, with time messages.  After it
   is activated, the PC cannot boot up at all.  It goes  very slow.  It
 destroys your hard disk.  The filename
   is CELLSAVER.EXE
 
WARNING No. 2
   Beware! if someone named SandMan asks you to check
out his page. DO NOT! It is at
www.geocities.com/vienna/6318
 http://www.geocities.com/vienna/6318
This page hacks into your C:\drive.DO NOT GO THERE...
FOWARD THIS MAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
 
Warning No. 3
SEND THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR CONTACT LIST! THIS
IS NO JOKE,OK?
WARNING: If you get an E-mail titled : "Win A Holiday"
DO NOT open it.   Delete it immediately. Microsoft
   just
announced yesterday.  It is a malicious virus that
WILL ERASE YOUR HARD DRIVE.  At this time there is no
   remedy.  Forward this to everyone IMMEDIATELY!!
  Warning No. 4
  W A R N I N G ! ! ! ! ! ! !
 
   If you receive an e-mail  titled JOIN THE CREW or PENPALS DO NOT
 open it!   It will erase
 EVERYTHING on your hard drive! PENPAL  appears to be a friendly letter
 asking you if you are interested in a penpal.but by the time you
read
 this letter it is TOO late.  The Trojan horse virus will have already
 infected the boot sector of your harddrive, destroying all the data
 present. It is a
self-replicating virus, and once the message is read it will
 AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present
in
 your box!!!  This virus will destroy your hard drive and holds the
 potential  to DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your box
 and whose mail is in their box and so on and on!! So delete any
 message titled PENPAL or JOIN THE CREW this virus can do major DAMAGE to
 worldwide  networks
 
PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND PEOPLE
IN YOUR MAILBOXES.
 
AOL HAS SAID THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VIRUS AND THERE
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[CTRL] The Hunger Site

1999-11-17 Thread Rory Winter






  
  
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  It is our hope and goal to continually 
  increase the amount of food that you are able to donate. Each sponsor on 
  this page pays for 1/4 cup of food. The more sponsors there are, the more 
  food you donate. 100% of what sponsors pay goes directly to the United 
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  Please note that we can count only one donation that you make each 
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[CTRL] URGENT WHALE DOLPHIN ALERT!

1999-10-26 Thread Rory Winter



White Galactic Worldbridger
Kin 86, Self-Existing Moon
Seventh Year of Mayan Prophecy

Dear Friends,

I received the letter (copied below) from Lanny Sinkin of the 
Cetacean Ambassador Network, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and am passing it on as 
some of you may be interested to make your own views known to the US Navy on 
this subject.

Please remember that you should fax your letter to Mr Johnson by 28 
October but those of you living in the US can still write the Navy Secretary and 
your Congress-person and Senator after that date.

Love  Blessings,

Rory.


Dear Rory,I have been pursuing the matter of SURTASS LFA 
since March 1998, when I filed two law suits to stop the Navy from continuing 
their tests of thissystem off Hawaii. Below is a response I just sent 
to someone asking whatcan be done, which I thought would be of use to 
you. If you wish to seesome of the evidence developed in the law suits 
in Hawai`i, you can visithttp://manyrooms.com/deisdocs.htmWhat 
is the most effective was to use our energy to stop the Navy given theOct. 
28th timeline?
Keep in mind that Oct. 28th is simply the deadline for filing 
commentson the draft environmental impact statement for SURTASS LFA. 
The Navy will then review all the comments and issue a final EIS some months 
from now. That EIS will be subject to legal challenge (unless the Navy concludes 
that the LFA should not be deployed because all these fine people have shown 
them the path into the light). That legal challenge will proceed from 
adistrict court to an appellate court and perhaps to the Supreme 
Court.
So for the moment, the most effective actions would be:(1) 
Send a regular mail letter to your Senators and Representative tellingthem 
that you consider the SURTASS LFA system a threat to marine life and humans in 
the ocean, that you are concerned that the Navy is ignoring the evidence of 
adverse effects found in the tests off Hawai`i, that you areconcerned that 
the Navy may be forcing deployment only because they spenthundreds of 
millions of dollars on this system before complying with thelaw requiring an 
environmental impact statement, and any other concernsthat you might 
have. Ask that the Congress hold hearings to inquire intothese 
questions. A mailed letter does receive more attention than an 
email.(2) Send a letter to Joe Johnson, program manager for the 
EIS, beforeOctober 28th expressing your opposition to deployment as a threat 
to marinelife and humans, your concern that the EIS is not being prepared in 
anobjective manner because of the huge investment the Navy has already 
sunkinto the system, and any other concerns you might have.Mr. J.S. 
JohnsonAttn: SURTASS LFA Sonar OEIS/EIS Program Manager901 North Stuart 
Street, Suite 708Arlington, Virginia 22203Fax: (703) 
465-8420Send a copy of your letter or prepare a separate letter 
to:The Honorable Richard DanzigSecretary of the Navy1000 Navy 
PentagonWashington, D.C. 20350-1000FAX: (703) 
614-3477(3) Educate yourself so that you can speak in an informed 
fashion to yourfriends and colleagues about this system.Critical 
evaluations of the SURTASS LFA appear at:www.nrdc.orgwww.oceanmammalinst.comwww.angelfire.com/ca/fishattorney/lfaslinks.htmlwww.manyrooms.com/newsroom.html(4) 
Join the effort to have newspapers publish the opinion editorlalfound 
at http://manyrooms.com/opinion.html.(5) 
Send a contribution to the organizations that will probably lead theway in 
challenging the EIS in court (again unless the Navy embraces 
thelight). The Ocean Mammal Institute and the Natural Resources 
DefenseCouncil seem committed to pursuing the EIS into the courts. 
Their URL'sare the first two in the previous item.(6) Send 
lots of love to those who have volunteered to play the role ofmanifesting 
the dark, so that others can learn to see the light.Aloha,Lanny 
Sinkin


[CTRL] WHALE DOLPHIN ALERT!

1999-10-21 Thread Rory Winter





Cetacean Society 
International

Action Alerts and Updates on Current 
Issues



Respond To The Low Frequency Active Sonar 
Draft Environmental Impact Statement

Public Comment Period Closing 
28 October 1999
Please use 
your one opportunity to comment on the U.S. Navy's Low Frequency Active Sonar 
Draft Environmental Impact Statement before the public comment period closes 28 
October. CSI has participated directly since 1996, tried to be objective 
and open minded, and we have given the Navy the benefit of the doubt again and 
again. We have spent a great deal of effort trying to understand and communicate 
this very confusing and complex issue. Frankly, it scares us. It should scare 
you too.
The LFA is a complex system 
designed to locate the super-quiet submarines that older sonars can't find. Many 
military professionals consider the system to be of little practical use. To 
start with, it's very vulnerable. While announcing itself to anything within 
hundreds of miles it can only work at 3 knots, and it can't turn easily while 
transmitting. Below are several points that we think illustrate the flaws in the 
LFA DEIS. You might consider including some of them in your own comment, in you 
own words. Below those points is the technical, supporting background. For more 
details, and the history of the controversy, please review "Whales Alive!" 
newsletters archived on this website starting in October, 
1996.
Please send your comments 
to:
Mr. J. S. JohnsonAttn: 
SURTASS LFA Sonar OEIS/EIS Program Manager901 North Stuart Street, Suite 
708Arlington, VA 22203Fax: 703-465-8420. (Emails are not 
acceptable)

  Because the LFA has the 
  potential to do harm to the marine environment, because it is so loud that it 
  can kill, all operations should be based on conservative levels of sound. 
  Instead, but with considerable lip service to being conservative, the DEIS 
  downplays the risks and asserts that the LFA is safe to operate. This DEIS 
  assertion rests on insufficient evidence and supports itself with 
  self-generated figures and graphs. Demand that scientists not associated with 
  the LFA review the assertions before they are considered valid. 
  
  A received level of 180 dB is 
  far too loud to be considered the beginning of a precautionary zone around the 
  LFA. Most experts consider that level damaging, and urge caution with sounds 
  far quieter. Demand to know the facts and experts' opinions the Navy implies 
  support a level of 180 dB as the start of mitigations. 
  There is no "ramping up" of 
  the LFA sounds to allow close animals to move away. This procedure is demanded 
  for many other loud sources to operate. 
  Cumulative noises multiply the 
  negative impacts of single sounds. The Navy asserts that they need not extend 
  the mitigation zone to account for the cumulative effect. By their own 
  figures, 100 LFA transmissions shift the mitigation point from 180 dB to 170 
  dB, which could be several miles from the source depending on conditions. 
  
  For their mitigations of the 
  LFA's dangers the Navy relies on detecting vulnerable marine life within 1 
  kilometer. They assert that they can detect sea turtles and dolphins 1 
  kilometer away from the LFA even at night and in any weather. They rely 
  largely on a fish-finding sonar that has not been tested, and assert that it 
  won't affect bow riding dolphins. 
  All deep-diving toothed whales 
  are ignored. There was no directed research, but there is considerable 
  scientific evidence that toothed whales may be very vulnerable to LFA sounds. 
  The sperm whale is ignored because there are enough of them that harming some 
  won't affect the population. 
  All effects of the LFA on the 
  behavior of marine animals are ignored. Communication, reproduction, and 
  feeding and avoiding predators are not "biologically significant" unless whole 
  populations are at risk. 
  The Precautionary Principle is 
  a basic scientific rule that, in the face of ignorance about our effects, we 
  must move carefully and cautiously. The DEIS ignores this Principle, in spite 
  of warnings by most scientists that human don't know enough about the effects 
  of our noises in the oceans. The LFA DEIS discusses the need to be cautious 
  and conservative but all actions are based on unrealistic and aggressive 
  assumptions about the LFA's effects below 180 dB. In practice everything 
  outside of 1 kilometer is simply ignored. 
  The Scientific Research 
  Program (SRP) assumed to support the LFA DEIS is inadequate and asserts 
  unsubstantiated conclusions. Given the SRP data presented, would a reasonable 
  and objective expert reach the same conclusions? Based on the flawed SRP 
  results the DEIS demands that all previous research urging caution be put 
  aside in favor of some unsubstantiated or stretched conclusions. 
  
Background
Why has CSI been so focused on 
the LFA? First, and most disconcerting, there is much more 

Re: [CTRL] 101 MPs

1999-10-02 Thread Rory Winter

 -Caveat Lector-

Yep ... that's why some of us never bothered to vote in May 1997 and put
that creep Blair into power ... why do I keep associating him with 1984???
Good for Fay Weldon and God help us All ... Barbara Castle quoted James
Callaghan as having once said at one of his last Cabinet Meetings ... "If I
were 18, I'd emigrate to Australia" ... if only we could!

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 12:39 AM
Subject: [CTRL] 101 MPs


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 From TheNewStatesman

http://www.consider.net/forum_new.php3?newTemplate=OpenObjectnewTop=1999092
7000
 6newDisplayURN=199909270006

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 Cover story - Women don't deserve to be on top

 Cover story
 Fay Weldon
 Monday 27th September 1999


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[CTRL] GLOBAL JAM ECHELON DAY, 21 OCTOBER 1999.

1999-09-29 Thread Rory Winter











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http://www.wodip.opole.pl/~laslo/Echelon-links.html

STAND UP FOR THE FREEDOM TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION!

We the monitored have decided to stand up against the very real, very
intrusive, and ultimately oppressive global surveillance system known as
Echelon. Echelon is a vast mainframe set up by the New World Disorder in
order to monitor the world's electronic communications for subversive
keywords. Every time you send someone an email with keywords like
"revolution" and "hacktivism" [for instance], Echelon's computers make a
note of it. If you forward emails with regularity with words on Echelon's
extensive keyword list, you may be marked for human "hands-on" monitoring.

On October 21, 1999 , netizens around the globe are implored to send out at
least one email with at least 50 keyword words. You need not be privy to
knowing exactly what words Echelon uses. It is safe to assume that words
such as "revolution" and "manifesto" and "revolt" [etc.] will work. Just be
sure to sound as subversive as possible. There isn't even any need to write
a cohesive paragraph or sentence. Echelon's computers does not understand
the language anyway. It only knows to look for certain words. By doing this
we can at least temporarily jam the global surveillance system.

This day of action will be timed to preceed Stop Police Brutality Day by one
day so that emails about actions can be sent out with little scrutiny due to
what will already be an enormous workload for Echelon.

Now is a chance for anyone, regardless of computer expertise, to become an
instant hacktivist - best of all, no software is needed [other than your
regular email program].

Of course, feel free to conduct such subversiveness any time. The larger
Echelon's workload, the more free our speech.

After October 1, we ask global netizens to merely stop censoring themselves
for fear of spooky scrutiny. By merely deciding to speak in the spirit of
unabashedly subverting the DOMINANCE paradigm, we will make it quite
difficult for Echelon to do its job.


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: New York Post: UN Reviving Communism

1999-09-29 Thread Rory Winter

 -Caveat Lector-

-Caveat Lector-

Only in America...! No doubt the minion who wrote this Editorial will
receive a nice little bonus from his Trilateralist bosses.

- Original Message -
From: Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:50 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: New York Post: UN Reviving Communism


 -Caveat Lector-

 This is very interesting about UN. Communism just make things fairer
 altogether ?


 -Original Message-
 From: Mark A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Friday, 16 July 1999 6:55
 Subject: SNET: New York Post: UN Reviving Communism



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 Source:  New York Post



http://www.nypost.com/editorial/10902.htm"http://www.nypost.com/editorial/1
 0902.htm


 Editorial

 IS THE UNITED NATIONS TRYING TO REVIVE COMMUNISM?

 The United Nations, a corrupt and corrupting institution that grew out
 of the
 crackpot notion of an enlightened world government, doesn’t like the
 direction in which the global economy is going. Its predictable
 solution:
 world government, with the U.N. in charge.

 Ummm, no thanks.

 The great economic problem in the world, according to a new report by
 the
 United Nations Development Programme, is that markets are just working
 too
 well.

 Yes, you read that right: The U.N. thinks that the explosion of
 worldwide
 freedom that has followed the end of communism is no fair. This
 explosion
 goes by the name of "globalization," and it’s the purpose of the U.N.
 report
 to turn the word "globalization" into an epithet.

 Competitive markets may guarantee efficiency, the U.N. report says, but
 they
 do not guarantee equality. In other words, eight years after Boris
 Yeltsin
 jumped on a tank and sealed the doom of the Soviet Union, some people
 and
 some countries are far richer than others - and that’s no fair!

 "By the late 1990s," write the report’s authors, "the fifth of the
 world’s
 people living in the highest income countries had 86 percent of world
 GDP and
 the bottom fifth had just 1 percent."

 No fair!

 Though technology is providing the world with previously unimaginable
 benefits, it’s not being used in the right way, according to the U.N.
 Rather, it should be used for "eradicating poverty." Alas, that goal is
 supposedly not on the agenda: "Cosmetic drugs and slow-ripening
 tomatoes come
 higher on the priority list than drought-resistant crops or a vaccine
 against
 malaria."

 No fair!

 You might think that amazing advances have already been made in the
 world of
 medicine in the United States when it comes to vaccines and drugs and
 that
 sort of thing, but the U.N. doesn’t dwell on those. When it condemns
 the
 refusal of "technology" to find "drought-resistant crops" it
 conveniently
 ignores the unbelievable bounty offered to the world by U.S.  scientist
 Norman Borlaug and his "green revolution."

 These technological improvements have all taken place because the U.S.
 has a
 free-market economy that offers spectacular rewards to those who figure
 out
 new ways and new techniques to improve the lives of those around them.
 If
 any country in the world is to develop a vaccine against malaria, it
 will be
 the United States - because the drug company that finds the vaccine
 will
 profit from it as a result.

 But the backward-looking pseudo-intelligences behind the U.N. report
 refuse
 to see this. What they see is that technology is out of reach for the
 poor,
 and the laws governing patents do not pay enough attention to the
 "knowledge
 of indigenous people."

 All these troubles, it seems, could be solved by the reinvention of
 national
 and global governance so that "human development and equity" is
 foremost.

 Because the current "institutions of international governance are
 inadequate
 for the challenges of the 21st century," the report suggests some new
 ideas.
 Topping the list, naturally, is a "stronger and more coherent United
 Nations," followed by institutions like a world environmental agency
 and a
 world investment trust with redistributive functions.

 A world ruled by people like those who wrote this report is a world
 this
 planet has known all too well, to its infinite sorrow. It’s a world of
 bureaucrats who believe not in equality, but in egalitarianism, and
 will
 stifle everybody who disagrees. The centralization of power in the
 hands of
 these bureaucrats in the name of the "poor" leads inevitably to a
 dictatorship in their name.

 In other words, it’s communism all over again. Globalization is just
 the new
 word these neo-Communists are going to use now that capitalism sounds
 good.

 The good news is that ideas like these have had their day. The bad news
 is
 that the bureaucrats of the United Nations are still sitting on their
 duffs
 in that monstrosity on the East River, trying to figure out ways to
 enhance
 their roles in the world.

 There’s a lot of talk about how the United States owes a lot to 

Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers

1999-09-21 Thread Rory Winter



-Caveat Lector-

Blue Crystal Monkey,
Kin 51, Electric Moon,
7th Year of Mayan Prophecy.

Joshua2: OK, you're on!

I'm sure you'll agree that when the Dalai Lama 
succeeeds the Popemost X'tians would have gone beyond their prejudices 
about the Buddhist World. Maybe not in this civilization ... but that shouldn't 
stop us as individuals from seeing Life on Planet Earth from a more detached place in Space/Time.

You and I are both using a medium -- Internet -- 
through which we can communicate in a way that has never been available to 
humans in recorded history. Despite all the fanaticism and sheer 
gangsterismcreating havoc on this Planet, the Internet has the potential 
to create a level of awareness which truly brings us closer to Marshall 
McLuhan's Global Village.

Conspiracy Research (howevereccentric it may 
sound sometimes) plays a vital part in building that awareness; eg. Linda 
Minor's recent contributions re. the CFR/RIIA (and don't forget the Trilateral 
Commission) concern private, unelected organizations against which ordinary folk 
have no protection even if more of us knewjust how much they paralyze and 
poison the democratic process,turning it into a weapon against humanity 
and the Planet's biosystems.

Speaking of weapons, I don't think anyone on this 
List is speaking about converting Jews to Christianity. So why get so upset at 
someone'sspeculations about a former Orthodox Rabbi's reported statements? 
Challenge it if you wish but why with so much aggression and 
sectarianism?

I recently attended a meeting at a local Jewish 
synagogue where the subject of debate concerned the possibility of 
reconciliation between Jews and Christians. Reconciliation and forgiveness 
doesn't seem a bad idea whatever ourfaiths -- after all, we'restuck 
on the same Planet for at least one lifetime! 

... Besides which, as long as humans use religion 
(or whatever else rationale) to shout at or kill each other we're always going 
to be prey togangster-oriented politicians and their paymasters 
whosurreptitiously manipulate events and re-process 'the real world', 
through their strangle-hold on the media, to suit their own 
interests.







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- Original Message - 
From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:09 
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] why no 
cheeseburgers
 -Caveat Lector-  
 Rory Winter wrote:   Re our Yiddisher friend, 
Joshua2, with no sense of humor may I suggest we  start a Campaign 
to nominate the Dalai Lama to replace the Pope? Oi vay! What  a 
brilliant way to start the X'tian Millenium!  Here's the deal 
Rory. When the Dali Lama becomes Pope, the Jews will convert. I'll bet a 
nickel on it.  Joshua2
 
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the Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications-- 
 
www.unmetered.org.uk 
 - Original Message -  From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:26 PM  Subject: Re: [CTRL] 
why no cheeseburgers-Caveat Lector-  
   Nicola Molloy wrote: 
  -Caveat Lector-   http://www.audiocentral.com/rshows/6640/archives98.html 
  That was interesting Michael.  
   snip  hmmm 
Now this could turn out interestingI have heard, from 
someone who was originally Jewish living in Israelthat 
more than half the Orthodox Rabbis living in Israel have recognized  
  Jesus as the Messiah and will all announce it together when they 
thinkit is the right time.
Nicky Look, I don't really care what you 
believe, but this statement above is   so absurd that it only 
indicates how desperately naive you are. Who ever   gave you 
that information is lying to you, and you are too ignorant to   
recognize it. If you would have said that 
half the Reform, or Reconstructionist, or   New Age Rabbis have 
recognized Jesus as the Messiah, though unlikely,   that MIGHT 
enter into the realm of possibility. But to make that claim   
for orthodox Rabbis in Israel is completely off the wall. This is half 
  baked Christian propaganda based entirely on wishful thinking. It's 
like   saying the Dali Lama will be the next Pope. One would 
have to be totally   ignorant of both religions to think this 
possible. Believe what you want, but leave 
the Jews out of it. Jews have no interest   in Jesus at all. If 
you Christians are waiting for a group to convert before   Jesus 
returns, I suggest you try the South Koreans. The Jews never will.  
   Joshua2 DECLARATION 
 DISCLAIMER   ==   CTRL is a 
discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting  
propagandic   screeds are not allowed. Substance-not 
soapboxing! These are sordid matters   and 'conspiracy 
theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and  
outright   frauds is used politically by different groups 
with major and minor effects   spread throughout the spectrum of 
time and thought. That being said

Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers

1999-09-20 Thread Rory Winter



Re ourYiddisher friend, Joshua2, with no 
sense of humor may I suggest we start a Campaign to nominate the Dalai Lama to 
replace the Pope? Oi vay! What abrilliant way to start the X'tian 
Millenium!

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- Original Message - 
From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:26 
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] why no 
cheeseburgers
 -Caveat Lector-  
Nicola Molloy wrote:   -Caveat Lector- 
  http://www.audiocentral.com/rshows/6640/archives98.html 
  That was interesting Michael.  
snip   hmmm Now this could turn out interesting 
 I have heard, from someone who was originally Jewish living in 
Israel  that more than half the Orthodox Rabbis living in Israel 
have recognized  Jesus as the Messiah and will all announce it 
together when they think  it is the right time.  
Nicky  Look, I don't really care what you believe, but this 
statement above is so absurd that it only indicates how desperately 
naive you are. Who ever gave you that information is lying to you, and 
you are too ignorant to recognize it.  If you would have 
said that half the Reform, or Reconstructionist, or New Age Rabbis have 
recognized Jesus as the Messiah, though unlikely, that MIGHT enter into 
the realm of possibility. But to make that claim for orthodox Rabbis in 
Israel is completely off the wall. This is half baked Christian 
propaganda based entirely on wishful thinking. It's like saying the Dali 
Lama will be the next Pope. One would have to be totally ignorant of 
both religions to think this possible.  Believe what you want, 
but leave the Jews out of it. Jews have no interest in Jesus at all. If 
you Christians are waiting for a group to convert before Jesus returns, 
I suggest you try the South Koreans. The Jews never will.  
Joshua2  DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER == 
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting 
propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! 
These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many 
half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically 
by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the 
spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement 
to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of 
what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's 
need not apply.  Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat 
Lector. 
 
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