Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- I see you have swallowed the whole queer propaganda lie, hook, line, and sinker. The purported facts in your post are total BS. In other words, they are lies. As are the opinions in your post although you are entitled to that. But your post shows who and what you are. You condemn morality and virtue and praise corruptness and perversion. At the same time you infer bigotry, though a twisted definition of the same, on those that oppose this criminal unnatural behavior, you have managed to expose yourself thoroughly as an anti-religious bigot, of the correct definition. If you beleive you are doing something good, you are wrong. What good can come from tearing down the moral foundations of a nation? At 05:22 PM 8/10/03 , you wrote: Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease). Sexual activity -- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. -Caveat Lector- Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. JR - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector- Much of the Old Testament merely records what men did in violation of God's laws. Much of the Old Testament merely records what men did in *obedience* to God's laws. See: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.shtml (snip) Bible AtrocitiesCompiled by Donald MorganNOTE: These lists are meant to identify possible problems in the Bible, especially problems which are inherent in a literalist or fundamentalist interpretation. Some of the selections may be resolvable on certain interpretations--after all, almost any problem can be eliminated with suitable rationalizations--but it is the reader's obligation to test this possibility and to decide whether it really makes appropriate sense to do this. To help readers in this task, these lists are aimed at presenting examples where problems may exist given certain allowable (but not always obligatory) assumptions. It should be kept in mind that a perfect and omnipotent God could, should, and likely would see to it that such problems did not exist in a book which s/he had inspired.Note: In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly outnumber words having to do with love.GE 3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil," thereby incurring death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life." (Note: God could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the first place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)GE 4:2-8 God's arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his brother Abel.GE 34:13-29 The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).GE 38:9 "... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death."EX 2:12 Moses murders an Egyptian.EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:to show that he is Lord;to show that there is none like him in all the earth;to show his great power;to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside.EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly.EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before your sword." LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children."LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39)NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague.NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken against Moses.NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord's command.NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Suggestion: Read the entire first chapter of the book of Romans. Not only does the Word specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but it also condemns those who accept it, thus approve of it as a way of life. God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign authority to establish right morals for right living, Gods Word is inerrant and infallible. Thats enough for me. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Rarey Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion In II Timothy 3:16 we are told all scripture (Old Testament) is breathed of God (comes from God). Since Jesus is God (John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word and theWord was with God and the Word was God. - John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.)he is the author of the condemnations of homosexuality in the Old Testament. This should answer your question. If it doesn't it must be because you don't believe the Bible. If so, why bother asking for chapter andverse? JR - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector- The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by Jesus Where exactly did Jesus condemn homosexuality? Be specific. Cite the chapter and verse. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ??not soap-boxingâ??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- It is also written in the bible that women are unclean and should cover their heads. However, these are words of men. Everything in the Bible cannot be taken literally. Sometimes people say stupid stuff and someone writes it down. Does this mean your God has ordained this? I hope not. People are too flakey to be spokesmen for God, not that there actually is one. I challenge anyone here to prove there is God. You cannot because it does not exist. If the ET who called himself God did not like gays, it's likely because he wanted 'his people' to be fruitful and multiply. Notice he did not say be like fruit and reproduce thyself. (Sorry. ;-) Steve On 10 Aug 2003 at 20:29, Bob Cooper wrote: Suggestion: Read the entire first chapter of the book of Romans. Not only does the Word specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but it also condemns those who accept it, thus approve of it as a way of life. God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign authority to establish right morals for right living, Gods Word is inerrant and infallible. Thats enough for me. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- Of course belief in God is a matter of faith, not scientific evidence, just like belief in evolution. Much of the Old Testament merely records what men did in violation of God's laws. JR - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector-It is also written in the bible that women are unclean and should cover their heads.However, these are words of men. Everything in the Bible cannot be taken literally.Sometimes people say stupid stuff and someone writes it down. Does this mean your God hasordained this? I hope not. People are too flakey to be spokesmen for God, not that thereactually is one. I challenge anyone here to prove there is God. You cannot because itdoes not exist.If the ET who called himself God did not like gays, it's likely because he wanted 'hispeople' to be fruitful and multiply. Notice he did not say be like fruit and reproducethyself. (Sorry. ;-)SteveOn 10 Aug 2003 at 20:29, Bob Cooper wrote: Suggestion: Read the entire first chapter of the book of Romans. Not only does the Word specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but it also condemns those who "accept" it, thus approve of it as a way of life. God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign authority to establish "right" morals for "right" living, God's Word is inerrant and infallible. That's enough for me.--ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comwww.ctrl.orgDECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?"not soap-boxingâ?"please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?"with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright fraudsâ?"is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="">ctrlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 05:56:03PM -0400 Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911 On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 05:56:03PM -0400, iNFoWaRZ wrote: I see you have swallowed the whole queer propaganda lie, hook, line, and sinker. The purported facts in your post are total BS. In other words, they are lies. The anonymous iNFoWaRZ has not given any evidence to disprove anything that I wrote. As are the opinions in your post although you are entitled to that. But your post shows who and what you are. You condemn morality and virtue I totally support morality and virtue, which consist of helping people (and other living things) and not harming them. The anonymous iNFoWaRZ has not given any evidence that homosexuality (when performed with the usual precautions necessary for any sexual activity) harms anyone. and praise corruptness Corruptness basically means being of such a nature as to do harm, and homosexuality does not do harm, so his statement is false. and perversion. Perversion simply means a sexual or other act of which the speaker disapproves. One person's perversion is another person's snuggly love. At the same time you infer bigotry, though a twisted definition of the same, on those that oppose this Bigotry in this context means the unjustified hatred of innocent people -- those who are doing no harm. That is exactly what these anti-gay messages express. criminal Many harmless behaviors have been legislated to be considered criminal. Sometimes this legislation has been rescinded. Consensual adult sex, the publication and broadcast of sexual material, the growing, manufacture, sale, and use of non-injurious herbs and drugs, and many other non-harmful acts have been declared criminal. The label criminal has no reliable correlation with morality (i.e., not doing harm). unnatural behavior, Homosexual behavior is widespread in all human cultures, and in many other animal species. It is definitely natural. you have managed to expose yourself thoroughly as an anti-religious bigot, of the correct definition. I can substantiate all the statements I made about fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions, with quotes from the Bible and historical facts. If you beleive you are doing something good, you are wrong. What good can come from tearing down the moral foundations of a nation? Putting forth a sane, pro-human definition of morality -- Don't harm people; help them -- is very beneficial to every nation. At 05:22 PM 8/10/03 , you wrote: Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease). Sexual activity -- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger. The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that all may live happily and successfully. Therefore the only basis of morality that makes any sense is, Do not harm anyone. By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual people are not immoral (as such) in any way. The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the influence of fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions. These religions are in many ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders and holy books have variously advocated and praised the genocide of many millions of people, as well as the murder of women who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents of other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation. HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with the virus (probably intentionally). That is an appropriate topic of discussion for this list. The spewing of murderous hatred against harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion, is not. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. -Caveat Lector- Silly boy that you are. Here you are attempting to change God?s creation when your personal imbittered battle is with God Himself. Let?s see who wins. Be gone with you. It just so happens that God is a personal friend of mine. I asked God about you. God said you were full of crap. "Such language!" I said, "and from Your mouth, too. Why, I'm shocked, simply shocked." "Oh get off it," said God, " I'm God. I can say anything I damn please. Besides, there's nothing wrong with crap. I invented crap. Crap is good. But you're supposed to put it on your garden, not between your ears." www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- In II Timothy 3:16 we are told all scripture (Old Testament) is breathed of God (comes from God). Since Jesus is God (John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word and theWord was with God and the Word was God. - John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.)he is the author of the condemnations of homosexuality in the Old Testament. This should answer your question. If it doesn't it must be because you don't believe the Bible. If so, why bother asking for chapter andverse? JR - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector-The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by JesusWhere exactly did Jesus condemn homosexuality? Be specific. Cite thechapter and verse. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- Unfortunately for your hardened and rebellious heart towards God you've already paved your way to spend eternity with the father of lies, Satan. Clearly you've elected not to accept or believe in God, through God's gift to all mankind... free will to choose. Scripture tells us do not cast pearls (wisdom) to swine for they will trample them under foot. God's Word also tells us that the wisdom of man is but folly to God. Enough said. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Wingate Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector- It is also written in the bible that women are unclean and should cover their heads. However, these are words of men. Everything in the Bible cannot be taken literally. Sometimes people say stupid stuff and someone writes it down. Does this mean your God has ordained this? I hope not. People are too flakey to be spokesmen for God, not that there actually is one. I challenge anyone here to prove there is God. You cannot because it does not exist. If the ET who called himself God did not like gays, it's likely because he wanted 'his people' to be fruitful and multiply. Notice he did not say be like fruit and reproduce thyself. (Sorry. ;-) Steve On 10 Aug 2003 at 20:29, Bob Cooper wrote: Suggestion: Read the entire first chapter of the book of Romans. Not only does the Word specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but it also condemns those who accept it, thus approve of it as a way of life. God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign authority to establish right morals for right living, Gods Word is inerrant and infallible. Thats enough for me. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector-
If you take community institutions and relationships, family,
acquaintances, friends, children, the schools, etc. out of the picture
you might be right. If those two consenting adults find a box somewhere
in the outback and stay in it forever and ever, you might be right.
Tell me, how is it that we are to believe that everything is connected
in the environment and society but that sexual activity affects no one
but the two people who are doing it.
You write:
Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often
brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise
might lead to frustration and anger.
Are you suggesting free public brothels might bring an end to
frustration and anger in the world? How interesting.
You write: Do not harm anyone. Do you tell them: I didn't harm you
so shut up.! Fascinating. Does this mean that you will determine if
another is to feel hurt, anger or frustration.? Talk about emotional
control and allowing others to determine their own feelings!
How tolerant and broadminded of you to recognize that your views are
those of the new elite and that us who disagree with you can discard
thousands of years of discussion on the same topic because, grand guy
that you are, have discovered what the cavemen liked to do prior to the
coming of civilization.
-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark S Bilk
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in
'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector-
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600
Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting adults
-- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid unwanted
pregnancy and transmission of disease). Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often
brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise
might lead to frustration and anger.
The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that all
may live happily and successfully. Therefore the only basis of morality
that makes any sense is, Do not harm anyone.
By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual people are
not immoral (as such) in any way.
The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the influence of
fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions. These religions are in many
ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders and holy books have
variously advocated and praised the genocide of many millions of people,
as well as the murder of women who have sex before marriage, the murder
of adherents of other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.
HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual
population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with the
virus (probably intentionally). That is an appropriate topic of
discussion for this list. The spewing of murderous hatred against
harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion, is not.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600, Ctrl wrote:
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I can't believe that whining sniveling jizz gobbler (Svend Robinson)
has been the incumbent politician for as long as he has. For as long
as I can remember, he's done nothing but slap decent moral Canadians
across the face time and time again.
While I wish the man no ill, I must admit I'd be pleased to learn he's
dying of AIDS.
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U.N. group in 'showdown with religion'
Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984
2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a
United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New
York
to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with
religion.
The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual
Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the
worldwide body in 1996.
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- It's OK with me. To each his own. How God will view it is another matter we won't know until the final judgment. JR - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector-You are so certain of your beliefs. What is a belief? What if you are wrong? I guess one day see.I for one am not in fear of death. I know my soul will likely live on just fine, withoutHeaven, Hell, or even God. Just a lot of other souls doing the best we can in thehereafter. That is my belief. Is that OK?SteveOn 10 Aug 2003 at 20:51, Bob Cooper wrote: Unfortunately for your hardened and rebellious heart towards God you've already paved your way to spend eternity with the father of lies, Satan. Clearly you've elected not to accept or believe in God, through God's gift to all mankind... "free will to choose". Scripture tells us "do not cast pearls (wisdom) to swine for they will trample them under foot". God's Word also tells us that "the wisdom of man is but folly to God". Enough said.--ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comwww.ctrl.orgDECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?"not soap-boxingâ?"please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?"with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright fraudsâ?"is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="">ctrlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- Mark, There will come a time (perhaps soon) that each of us will have to choose between God's word and the agenda of the anti-God humanists of the world. The gays have made it very plain that those are the two choices. Do you call spreading AIDS through behavior condemned by God not harmful? The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by Jesus. Don't blame it on true Christians. I stand with God. Sorry about your fate. JR - Original Message - From: Mark S Bilk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector-Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consentingadults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoidunwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease). Sexual activity-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: itoften brings people closer together, and it discharges energythat otherwise might lead to frustration and anger.The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so thatall may live happily and successfully. Therefore the only basisof morality that makes any sense is, "Do not harm anyone."By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexualpeople are not immoral (as such) in any way.The only reason some people believe they are immoral is theinfluence of fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions. Thesereligions are in many ways profoundly anti-human; their leadersand "holy" books have variously advocated and praised thegenocide of many millions of people, as well as the murder ofwomen who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents ofother religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexualpopulation in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated withthe virus (probably intentionally). That is an appropriate topicof discussion for this list. The spewing of murderous hatredagainst harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion,is not. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. -Caveat Lector- unnatural behavior, Click here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4F225D85 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. -Caveat Lector- Much of the Old Testament merely records what men did in violation of God's laws. Much of the Old Testament merely records what men did in *obedience* to God's laws. See: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.shtml (snip) Bible Atrocities Compiled by Donald Morgan NOTE: These lists are meant to identify possible problems in the Bible, especially problems which are inherent in a literalist or fundamentalist interpretation. Some of the selections may be resolvable on certain interpretations--after all, almost any problem can be eliminated with suitable rationalizations--but it is the reader's obligation to test this possibility and to decide whether it really makes appropriate sense to do this. To help readers in this task, these lists are aimed at presenting examples where problems may exist given certain allowable (but not always obligatory) assumptions. It should be kept in mind that a perfect and omnipotent God could, should, and likely would see to it that such problems did not exist in a book which s/he had inspired. Note: In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly outnumber words having to do with love. GE 3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thereby incurring death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the Tree of Eternal Life. (Note: God could have done the same for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the first place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.) GE 4:2-8 God's arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his brother Abel. GE 34:13-29 The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children. GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history. GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah). GE 38:9 ... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death. EX 2:12 Moses murders an Egyptian. EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows: to show that he is Lord; to show that there is none like him in all the earth; to show his great power; to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth; to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children; to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt. EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside. EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt. EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people. EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly. EX 32:27 Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men. LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies will fall before your sword. LE 26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children. LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends. LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39) NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague. NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken against Moses. NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord's command. NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their households (including wives and children) because the men had been rebellious. NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men. NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people. NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites. NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites. NU 21:35 With the Lord's
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. -Caveat Lector- In II Timothy 3:16 we are told all scripture (Old Testament) is breathed of God (comes from God). Since Jesus is God (John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word and theWord was with God and the Word was God. - John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.)he is the author of the condemnations of homosexuality in the Old Testament. This should answer your question. If it doesn't it must be because you don't believe the Bible. If so, why bother asking for chapter andverse? That's a petitio principii. See: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/begging.htm www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- You are so certain of your beliefs. What is a belief? What if you are wrong? I guess one day see. I for one am not in fear of death. I know my soul will likely live on just fine, without Heaven, Hell, or even God. Just a lot of other souls doing the best we can in the hereafter. That is my belief. Is that OK? Steve On 10 Aug 2003 at 20:51, Bob Cooper wrote: Unfortunately for your hardened and rebellious heart towards God you've already paved your way to spend eternity with the father of lies, Satan. Clearly you've elected not to accept or believe in God, through God's gift to all mankind... free will to choose. Scripture tells us do not cast pearls (wisdom) to swine for they will trample them under foot. God's Word also tells us that the wisdom of man is but folly to God. Enough said. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion
-Caveat Lector- The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by Jesus Where exactly did Jesus condemn homosexuality? Be specific. Cite the chapter and verse. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector-
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at
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Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting
adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid
unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease). Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it
often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy
that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger.
The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that
all may live happily and successfully. Therefore the only basis
of morality that makes any sense is, Do not harm anyone.
By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual
people are not immoral (as such) in any way.
The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the
influence of fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions. These
religions are in many ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders
and holy books have variously advocated and praised the
genocide of many millions of people, as well as the murder of
women who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents of
other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.
HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual
population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with
the virus (probably intentionally). That is an appropriate topic
of discussion for this list. The spewing of murderous hatred
against harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion,
is not.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600, Ctrl wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
I can't believe that whining sniveling jizz gobbler (Svend Robinson) has
been the incumbent politician for as long as he has. For as long as I can
remember, he's done nothing but slap decent moral Canadians across the face
time and time again.
While I wish the man no ill, I must admit I'd be pleased to learn he's dying
of AIDS.
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Date: 8/7/03 11:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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U.N. group in 'showdown with religion'
Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a
United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New York
to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with
religion.
The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual
Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the
worldwide body in 1996.
At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi
Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical
Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic
Family and Human Rights Institute.
Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress
to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority
Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals.
Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based
International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC,
announced a coming showdown with religion and vowed Pope John Paul
II's call to arms against homosexual marriage would be successfully
combated.
Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah,
wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a
challenge to the homosexual agenda.
To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian
parliament, told the Catholic Church to clean up your own house
before criticizing the morality of homosexuals.
Robinson criticized Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry of Calgary,
calling his actions in defense of traditional marriage unbelievable.
The deputy mocked born again Christians, asking, Did they have to
come back again as themselves?
As WorldNetDaily reported, Robinson is the sponsor of a bill that would
add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and
hate crimes legislation. Opponents believe it would criminalize public
expression against homosexual behavior, including making quotations
from the Bible.
The U.N. group that hosted
