Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/7/99 2:24:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In science, every tired old paradigm was once a radical new paradigm - and scientists advance not by kissing old orthodox ass, but by coming up with SOLID evidence for NEW ass-kicking insights. In the US, the "recalcitrant Archelogical/Anthropological community" has undergone about a dozen major, tectonic paradigm shifts this century - it's hardly static. But before any orthodoxy gets twisted, there has to be sufficient strong evidence - not just dribs and drabs, not just scattered fragments in different contexts, but something consistent that withstands critical scrutiny. Conspiratorialists UFOlogists especially have a hard time dealing with these standards, as do attorneys and screenwriters. Meditate on the old Jewish saying: "For instance" is not proof. While this may be so, it is a fact that other sites where "hard evidence" of man's earlier habitation of North America has been discovered, have been derided by the "recalcitrant Archeological/Anthropological community". Sheguianda, and several sites in Mexico and South America come to mind. The people who did the field work followed the same rigorous scientific method as those who dismiss them, but that is not good enough in some cases. Comparing this state of affairs to UFOlogy and the like is counterproductive, because we are talking about established scientists with results of hard physical evidence, which UFOlogy is sorely lacking. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history
-Caveat Lector- Comparing this state of affairs to UFOlogy and the like is counterproductive, because we are talking about established scientists with results of hard physical evidence, which UFOlogy is sorely lacking. Our courts regularly condemn men to hang on the basis of less evidence than is available to prove the existance of UFOs. What IS lacking in UFOlogy is evidence that UFOs are extraterrestial in origin. As for the antiquity on mankind, anomolous finds are simply ignored by the acedemic establishment. For example see Suppressed Inventions Other Discoveries By Jonathan Eisen, ISBN0-89529-809-0, pages 215-226. Eisen relates the curious tale of a Smithonsonian expedition to the Grand Canyon in 1909 (as reported in the Phoenix Gazette, 4/5/09) which uncovered the abandoned remains of a huge underground settlement of apparent Egyptian origin. The present day Smithsonian denies it took place and the part of the Canyon where the site lies is now off limits to tourists. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history
-Caveat Lector- http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9907/02/t_t/ old.south.dig/index.html Bonanza of ice-age artifacts redefine America's pre-history July 2, 1999 ALLENDALE, South Carolina (CNN) -- A virtual gold mine of ice-age artifacts recently found on the banks of the Savannah River in South Carolina is forcing archeologists to revise theories for how and when humans first migrated to North America. Al Goodyear with the University of South Carolina oversaw the dig, which involved dozens of volunteers and scientists. "I think what is tantalizing about this site is we may have different cultures coming into the New World that we didn't even know about," he says. From the artifacts uncovered at this site, such as crude stone tools, archeologists say it is reasonable to believe that humans could have lived in the area anywhere from 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. That time frame defies the long-held "Clovis" theory that humans only reached the New World on a land path from Asia. Now there is stronger ammunition that others may have come from Southeast Asia or Europe, much earlier than 11,000-year-old artifacts found in Clovis, New Mexico, suggest. "This is an extremely important New World site in deciphering when people came to North America," Goodyear says. Digs in Monte Verde, Chile; West Virginia, Virginia; Pennsylvania and now South Carolina all suggest cultures older than 12,000 years. "This is so far the star of the show, what we refer to as a measuring pit microblade," says Dennis Stanford, a Smithsonian Institution anthropologist. Sean Maroney is a graduate student who worked on the dig. "The discoveries are not as sexy as human bones or animal skulls," says Maroney. "But they do provide insight about our tough-as-nails ancestors." Maroney showed a stick with a rock mounted on it. "Arm yourself with a stick and a rock on it and think about going after an African elephant," he says. "It's gonna give you a real appreciation for what these people did and how they had to survive." Goodyear and his colleagues have worked on this site since 1983, but this year's discoveries could pay off with a re-writing of history. Correspondent Marsha Walton contributed to this report. RELATED STORIES: Explorer Ballard says he's found oldest shipwrecks ever discovered June 23, 1999 http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9906/23/israel.shipwrecks.ap/ Ancient bones may rewrite theory of earliest Americans June 8, 1999 http://www.cnn.com/NATURE/9906/08/ancient.woman/ Ancient California bones could change land-bridge theory April 11, 1999 http://www.cnn.com/US/9904/11/ancient.woman/index.html Stonemason refuses to cut up ancient stone circle February 15, 1999 http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/15/miami.circle/ RELATED SITES: Smithsonian Institution http://www.si.edu/ University of South Carolina http://www.sc.edu/ © 1999 Cable News Network. All Rights Reserved. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/6/99 10:01:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now there is stronger ammunition that others may have come from Southeast Asia or Europe, much earlier than 11,000-year-old artifacts found in Clovis, New Mexico, suggest. This is remarkable, coming from the recalcitrant Archelogical/Anthropological community. Finally there are some willing to concede that such did in fact take place. It seems to me that there has been a lot of evidence over the years to indicate that this was indeed the case but because it is unorthodox it was routinely ignored. Mayhap the arrival of the new millennium is causing the scientists to go bonkers and accept some unorthodoxy? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now there is stronger ammunition that others may have come from Southeast Asia or Europe, much earlier than 11,000-year-old artifacts found in Clovis, New Mexico, suggest. This is remarkable, coming from the recalcitrant Archelogical/Anthropo- logical community. Finally there are some willing to concede that such did in fact take place. It seems to me that there has been a lot of evidence over the years to indicate that this was indeed the case but because it is unorthodox it was routinely ignored. Mayhap the arrival of the new millennium is causing the scientists to go bonkers and accept some unorthodoxy? In science, every tired old paradigm was once a radical new paradigm - and scientists advance not by kissing old orthodox ass, but by coming up with SOLID evidence for NEW ass-kicking insights. In the US, the "recalcitrant Archelogical/Anthropological community" has undergone about a dozen major, tectonic paradigm shifts this century - it's hardly static. But before any orthodoxy gets twisted, there has to be sufficient strong evidence - not just dribs and drabs, not just scattered fragments in different contexts, but something consistent that withstands critical scrutiny. Conspiratorialists UFOlogists especially have a hard time dealing with these standards, as do attorneys and screenwriters. Meditate on the old Jewish saying: "For instance" is not proof. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
