[CTRL] Falwell's follies
-Caveat Lector- From URL @ bottom Falwell's follies Bill Berkowitz - WorkingForChange 10.16.02 - What do civil libertarians, gays, feminists, pro-choice advocates, pagans and Muhammad have in common? Within the past year or so, they've all felt the verbal wrath of the Rev. Jerry Falwell. For years, the Rev. Falwell's message of hate has been mostly a domestic matter. His recent remarks on CBS' 60 Minutes calling Muhammad a terrorist, however, caused an immediate international commotion. Last year, shortly after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Rev. Falwell told Pat Robertson's 700 Club audience that I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle... all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' Besieged by critics and perceived as being pretty damned nasty, the Rev. Falwell became apologetic. Well sort of. A few days after teeing off on the laundry list of his life-long enemies, Falwell claimed that his comments were made during a theological discussion on a Christian television program [and they] were taken out of their context and reported, and that my thoughts -- reduced to sound bites -- have detracted from the spirit of this time of mourning. Like the politician who tells a racist joke and then claims he didn't know he was being recorded, Falwell claimed his words were meant only for Christian true believers, and not for the public at large. That excuse doesn't change the nature of his comments. Falwell: 'Muhammad was a terrorist' Flash forward nearly 13 months: On the October 6th edition of 60 Minutes, the Rev. Falwell told CBS' Bob Simon: I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war. In my opinion, Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses, and I think Mohammed set an opposite example. In short order, with critical comments against him mounting both at home and abroad, Falwell claimed that he was a victim of sound bite journalism - the real culprit was that Satanesque excuse for a journalist, Bob Simon. The Rev. Falwell is no victim. His situation is in no way comparable for example to the time Connie Chung ambushed Newt Gingrich's unsuspecting mother and got her to say some nasty stuff on network television about Hillary Clinton. The Rev. Falwell is television-savvy; he's been a guest on more television programs in a year than most all other religious figures will appear on in a lifetime. On his website, the Rev. frequently informs the faithful of his upcoming talking-head schedule. Playing the I was tricked card, the Rev. Falwell told WORLD, the weekly evangelical news magazine, that he should have known that CBS would use the comments to stir up conflict and animosity. It wasn't that his comments were hateful, the Rev. seemed to be was saying. It was the fact that CBS would use them that was the problem. According to Marvin Olasky, World's editor-in-chief, Falwell said that Simon had called him back once the uproar began, fishing for more, and that he had complained about CBS extracting from 1 1/2 hours of interview tape that divisive side remark. 'I believe you exploited me and took advantage of me as a person,' he told Mr. Simon, who quickly got off the phone, Olasky reported. Olasky rushed to Falwell's defense, and in his World column he declared Simon to be a bigot. Olasky claims that the segment on 60 Minutes was meant to focus on Christians and Israel, not Islam, but Mr. Simon in passing asked Jerry Falwell if he thought Muhammad approved of violence, and Mr. Falwell fell into the trap. CBS then promoted 60 Minutes with the 'terrorist' sound bite, in full knowledge that it was incidental to the thrust of the piece. The evident goal: Hype the program, build the audience, and never mind the lack of context. Shooting off his mouth The Rev. Falwell has made a career out of shooting off his mouth. It is only during these past few years that his remarks have become part of the greater public discourse. Claiming as he did that the television figure Tinky Winky was gay was one thing -- laughable for its utter absurdity -- but branding the head of a religion a terrorist is a much more serious matter. On October 11, Canadian Press reported that at least five people were killed in Hindu- Muslim rioting and police gunfire in western India. According to Canadian Press, The violence erupted during a general strike to protest remarks by the Rev. Falwell. In Iran to get that country's support for a tough UN resolution against Iraq, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said he regarded Falwell's comments as much an insult to me as a Christian as they are to Muslims. Finally, on Saturday, October 12, the Rev. Falwell issued an apology. According to
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-Caveat Lector- === Rev. Falwell told CBS' Bob Simon: I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war. In my opinion, Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses, and I think Mohammed set an opposite example. How about trying to deal with the substance of the above. . .? Islam was founded as a tool of Arab tribal warfare and then later served as a tool of Arab Imperialism! That kind of thing does not appear in the New Testament though the Old Testament is rank with it! As did Moses is an idiot add-in to pacify the Jewish community! Lloyd Miller, Research Director, A-albionic Research -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:CTRL;LISTSERV.AOL.COM] On Behalf Of Euphorian Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 12:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Falwell's follies -Caveat Lector- From URL @ bottom Falwell's follies Bill Berkowitz - WorkingForChange 10.16.02 - What do civil libertarians, gays, feminists, pro-choice advocates, pagans and Muhammad have in common? Within the past year or so, they've all felt the verbal wrath of the Rev. Jerry Falwell. For years, the Rev. Falwell's message of hate has been mostly a domestic matter. His recent remarks on CBS' 60 Minutes calling Muhammad a terrorist, however, caused an immediate international commotion. Last year, shortly after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Rev. Falwell told Pat Robertson's 700 Club audience that . I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle... all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' Besieged by critics and perceived as being pretty damned nasty, the Rev. Falwell became apologetic. Well. sort of. A few days after teeing off on the laundry list of his life-long enemies, Falwell claimed that his comments were made during a theological discussion on a Christian television program [and they] were taken out of their context and reported, and that my thoughts -- reduced to sound bites -- have detracted from the spirit of this time of mourning. Like the politician who tells a racist joke and then claims he didn't know he was being recorded, Falwell claimed his words were meant only for Christian true believers, and not for the public at large. That excuse doesn't change the nature of his comments. Falwell: 'Muhammad was a terrorist' Flash forward nearly 13 months: On the October 6th edition of 60 Minutes, the Rev. Falwell told CBS' Bob Simon: I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war. In my opinion, Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses, and I think Mohammed set an opposite example. In short order, with critical comments against him mounting both at home and abroad, Falwell claimed that he was a victim of sound bite journalism - the real culprit was that Satanesque excuse for a journalist, Bob Simon. The Rev. Falwell is no victim. His situation is in no way comparable for example to the time Connie Chung ambushed Newt Gingrich's unsuspecting mother and got her to say some nasty stuff on network television about Hillary Clinton. The Rev. Falwell is television-savvy; he's been a guest on more television programs in a year than most all other religious figures will appear on in a lifetime. On his website, the Rev. frequently informs the faithful of his upcoming talking-head schedule. Playing the I was tricked card, the Rev. Falwell told WORLD, the weekly evangelical news magazine, that he should have known that CBS would use the comments to stir up conflict and animosity. It wasn't that his comments were hateful, the Rev. seemed to be was saying. It was the fact that CBS would use them that was the problem. According to Marvin Olasky, World's editor-in-chief, Falwell said that Simon had called him back once the uproar began, fishing for more, and that he had complained about CBS extracting from 1 1/2 hours of interview tape that divisive side remark. 'I believe you exploited me and took advantage of me as a person,' he told Mr. Simon, who quickly got off the phone, Olasky reported. Olasky rushed to Falwell's defense, and in his World column he declared Simon to be a bigot. Olasky claims that the segment on 60 Minutes was meant to focus on Christians and Israel, not Islam, but Mr. Simon in passing asked Jerry Falwell if he thought Muhammad approved of violence, and Mr. Falwell fell into the trap. CBS then promoted 60 Minutes with the 'terrorist' sound bite, in full knowledge that it was incidental to the thrust of the piece. The evident goal: Hype the program, build the audience, and never mind the lack of context. Shooting off his mouth
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-Caveat Lector- Christianity wasn't used as a tool in European imperialism? on 10/18/02 6:44 AM, Lloyd Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about trying to deal with the substance of the above. . .? Islam was founded as a tool of Arab tribal warfare and then later served as a tool of Arab Imperialism! That kind of thing does not appear in the New Testament though the Old Testament is rank with it! As did Moses is an idiot add-in to pacify the Jewish community! It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. Justice Robert H. Jackson NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- 10/18/02 8:55:09 AM, thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Christianity wasn't used as a tool in European imperialism? Or American? AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- That too... on 10/18/02 3:38 PM, Euphorian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- 10/18/02 8:55:09 AM, thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Christianity wasn't used as a tool in European imperialism? Or American? AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. Sir Winston Churchill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
