Re: [CTRL] Foolishness of Legalisms vs the IRS
-Caveat Lector- IRS seems to be nearing the end of it's days. If y2k doesn't finish it the House of Representatives might- there are a few members who are very committed to doing away with it. Quite a bit of information on it's illegality in circulation. I know this guy, Paul Mitchell- who's legally brilliant (personally difficult) He wrote a reasonably well known work know as "The Federal Zone" http://www.supremelaw.com The CD this guy put out is pretty good: http://www.notaxdue.com Tons of other stuff out there, but these are the only two guys I have personal knowledge of. KUDOS to Sean- I'm not here to whine about stuff and flagellate myself with powerlessness. Share information and look for opportunities for group actions. Consider voting Natural Law Party. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean McDougal Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Foolishness of Legalisms vs the IRS -Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally! Someone defines the foolishness of challenging the IRS in court. .. SM: So foolish that some succeed. So foolish that we will ignore the fact that if more did it, it would gain some momentum. The entire legals system is often based on conflicting interpretations of WORDS. We can either let the system as is go on and let it take us where it wishes or we can fight to define things according to the people. [a good example is "national security" - few actually feel more secure by following the policies of those that are in charge of "national security"] If we do not challenge institutions like the IRS on legal grounds and encourage people to take actions like this against those that prey on the apathetic, on those that refuse to defend themselves, we are complicit with the beast. We know what the IRS does is wrong and I hear some saying "We can do nothing." Friends, it seems to me that the only reason beyond entertainment to attempt to uncover conspiracies is so that the PEOPLE will have an idea of who their oppressors are. These oppressors succeed largely because they are unknown to people and because they use massive amounts of media hype to convince people that they actually have the resources to fight every individual and/or group that decides to fight for freedom. 99% of "law and order" is maintained by convincing people who can do something that they can do nothing. Let's not help the man to maintain a threat. Are we here to eloquently bitch or to share EMPOWERING information? I say if you are not willing to stand your ground on what is right then you are merely compost for natural selection, perhaps rightfully so. Rights, as we know them, are an abstract head game. Real rights, rights that are fair to everyone concerned, are implemented by united communities that have said to hell with doubt. I guess you have 3 choices: accept things as they are and stop bitching about corruption or try to reach out and heal corporate CEO's that are out of touch with the land they rape or let the man know you ain't takin' no more shit. In other words, either acknowledge your master or befriend your adversary or kick the schoolyard bully in the nuts. p.s. according to some information that circulates through the army special forces [saying no more about that], the american people have the american military outgunned 6 to 1. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list
[CTRL] Foolishness of Legalisms vs the IRS
-Caveat Lector- Finally! Someone defines the foolishness of challenging the IRS in court. -Original Message- From: Samuel E. Konkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:12 AM Subject: Re: CIA Mind Control By Mises, Rothbard, and LeFevre! I never thought I'd agree with Bolton, other than "a" and "the", but I wouldn't change a word of this paragraph: "Craig J. Bolton" wrote: Date:Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:17:45 EST5EDT From:Virginia Cropsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I guess that it all comes down to a matter of faith, Virginia. As someone who has practiced law for about 16 years now and who has a pretty good idea of how government and the courts actually function, I have an absolute faith that if you tomorrow came up with definitive proof that the 16th Amendment was never really adopted, that it is contrary to every principle of constitutional law, and that there is absolutely no basis for not declaring it unconstitutional, that there would be absolutely no effect. You have confidence that some federal judge is going to say to you: "Oh my God, Virginia has come up with the definitive citation! I now declare the income tax unconstitutional, require that the IRS be disbanded, and all taxes illegally collected for the past 70+ years be returned to the people. Thank you so much, Virginia, for saving us from tyranny through inadvertence." Craig Bolton It should be copied and spread across the land(s) and e-scape and become as famous as, "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus . . ." Good writing, Craig. Freely as ever, SEK3 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Foolishness of Legalisms vs the IRS
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally! Someone defines the foolishness of challenging the IRS in court. .. SM: So foolish that some succeed. So foolish that we will ignore the fact that if more did it, it would gain some momentum. The entire legals system is often based on conflicting interpretations of WORDS. We can either let the system as is go on and let it take us where it wishes or we can fight to define things according to the people. [a good example is "national security" - few actually feel more secure by following the policies of those that are in charge of "national security"] If we do not challenge institutions like the IRS on legal grounds and encourage people to take actions like this against those that prey on the apathetic, on those that refuse to defend themselves, we are complicit with the beast. We know what the IRS does is wrong and I hear some saying "We can do nothing." Friends, it seems to me that the only reason beyond entertainment to attempt to uncover conspiracies is so that the PEOPLE will have an idea of who their oppressors are. These oppressors succeed largely because they are unknown to people and because they use massive amounts of media hype to convince people that they actually have the resources to fight every individual and/or group that decides to fight for freedom. 99% of "law and order" is maintained by convincing people who can do something that they can do nothing. Let's not help the man to maintain a threat. Are we here to eloquently bitch or to share EMPOWERING information? I say if you are not willing to stand your ground on what is right then you are merely compost for natural selection, perhaps rightfully so. Rights, as we know them, are an abstract head game. Real rights, rights that are fair to everyone concerned, are implemented by united communities that have said to hell with doubt. I guess you have 3 choices: accept things as they are and stop bitching about corruption or try to reach out and heal corporate CEO's that are out of touch with the land they rape or let the man know you ain't takin' no more shit. In other words, either acknowledge your master or befriend your adversary or kick the schoolyard bully in the nuts. p.s. according to some information that circulates through the army special forces [saying no more about that], the american people have the american military outgunned 6 to 1. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om