Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- On 31 Oct 99, at 0:45, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/30/1999 5:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny how, almost universally, cosmology-as-theology mirrors sociology -- "religion" functioning as a way of "spiritually" legitimizing a political-economic class structure. Yes, and if there's anything to the information in the Dictionary of Angels, the class structure seems to continue right on into paradise/hades (what have you). Really a bummer. Prudy Is it possible that, like many species, we are hardwired for hierarchy? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- Is it possible that, like many species, we are hardwired for hierarchy? If we were, then every culture would be hierarchial. This is not the case, ergo, hierarchy is learned behavior. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Is it possible that, like many species, we are hardwired for hierarchy? If we were, then every culture would be hierarchial. This is not the case, ergo, hierarchy is learned behavior. I strongly disagree. All primate species are hierarchical. This includes homo sapiens. If there are cultures which are not hierarchical, THOSE have come about do to learned behavior. Hierarchical structures have survival value in nature and reproduction. Since we don't live in the jungle or on the Savannah anymore, it is no longer necessary to accept hierarchies as a way of life. But the tendencies are still in us, and come out in many important human endeavors like the military, and making money ( the modern equivalent of food gathering ). The solution is not denying that hierarchy exists, but to rotate the positions of power democratically. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-29 14:12:06 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Social constructionists move from the belief that sex and gender differences are culturally produced and often socially detrimental, to the conclusion that they can be radically altered for the better through education, legal reform, and improved theoretical understanding. The essence of PC "social engineering" ... One of the above "differences," by the way, is society's primary emphasis --for all of known human history-- on heterosexuality as the norm. The devotees of "social constructionism" --most of whom, in my observation, are of "coincidentally" of gay or lesbian sexual orientation-- are COMMITTED to turning that equation on its head, making homosexuality the culturally preferred orientation -- and insisting that sex and gender have NOTHING to do with biology (the other main characteristic of "social constructionism') but EVERYTHING to do with "programming" through education, mass media, and so on, gives them at least a HOPE of doing so. Considerable support from Rockefeller-type foundations, trusts, and "think tanks" and from the social science "experts" these have spawned (consulted as domestic policy advisors by the federal government) has been given the "social constructionist" agenda since at least the early '60s, when the "unisex" ideal and "androgyny" (arguing for the "natural" bisexuality of all human beings, in a Fabian-style "gradualist" step toward homosexuality as the norm) were systematically promoted by the media, alongside promotion of the specious sociobiological argument that the threat of "overpopulation" could be reduced "naturally" through emphasis on homosexuality, non-reproductive ... In other words, we've already been subject to half a century of "social construction" through the privately-funded, systematic, long-term view reshaping of "public opinion," molding new "attitudes," without the general public taking note of what's happened in the least ... Three more generations and no one will even remember, and the people of the 21st Century will look back on millennia of heterosexual dominance with dismay, disgust, and a smug sense of superiority, like Cro Magnons recalling Neanderthals ... IF, that is, the "social constructionists" SUCCEED in their "social science" agenda ... The dominant criticism of social constructionism is that it simply seems to rule out any influences of the physical body on behavior, social categories, and self-concepts, treating human beings as if they were all ONLY pure MINDS, EXEMPT from the biological and evolutionary forces that (naturally) constrain all other organisms. Exactly the kind of "pure MINDS," I might add, that one would expect from "Newtonian" Skinnerian behaviorists who deny the individual's "soul," deny the existence of "free will" and human freedom, and regard the human biochemical, hormonal, sexual organism as merely a "machine," useful to scientists only as cogs and gears to be "mechanically" tinkered with -- in order to promote the better adaptation of these "soulless," "unfree" human beings to the elitist tinkerers' technocratic society, itself a MACHINE State. It's so much easier to make the State the pre-eminent influence in childrearing and education when orgasm is "automated," heterosexual bonding is discouraged, family (and I include extended family) units are dissolved, and the communities and local autonomous groups which grow out of the former are replaced by the State as the sole form of social organization, with Corporations mediating between unisex drone workers and the State. The Industrial Revolution has evolved into the Technological Revolution but the ultimate goals which lay behind it, even in the 17th Century "technocratic" and envisioning the necessity of CHANGING human history through "social engineering," have not changed at all. The ultimate arena of "automation" is the human SPIRIT. At proximal technological levels, the "natural" or "biological" constraints of sex are already being modified as reproductive technology permits procreation without sexual intercourse, removes menopause as a barrier to pregnancy, and allows gender-disorienting or gender-ignoring personal interaction through Internet technologies and virtual reality. At slightly more distal levels, technologies such as cloning and in vitro gestation allow reproduction without either sexual dimorphism or pregnancy. At more speculative levels, radical bodily changes produced by genetic engineering, cybernetic implants, nanotechnological reconstruction, and artificial intelligence uploading open the possibility of a completely postgendered cyborgism and perhaps even a posthuman subjectivity altogether. We're in Orwell's "1984" ALREADY. Next comes Huxley's "Brave New World" -- not a "world" at all but a COUNTERFEIT, a SIMULATION, worthy of a Satan envious of God's Creation and the presence in Nature (including HUMAN nature) of something "natural" and
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-30 06:16:57 EDT, Das GOAT writes: We're in Orwell's "1984" ALREADY. Next comes Huxley's "Brave New World" -- not a "world" at all but a COUNTERFEIT, a SIMULATION, worthy of a Satan envious of God's Creation and the presence in Nature (including HUMAN nature) of something "natural," REAL, and in its human-transcending reality, something fundamentally SACRED. I ended that post with "--and guess who will PROFIT from such a BELIEF ..?" I was referring, of course, to the elitist "technocrats" of Science, the "how-to" men of the predatory political-economic Oligarchy who are essentially Francis Bacon's heirs -- but re-reading that in the context of the picture I'd painted of de-natured drone-units in the techno-hive, a DIFFERENT "Cui bono?" came to mind -- one that might interest the more "otherworldly" among our subscribers, who fret about "reptoids" and the like ... In one of Dr John Lilly's later books, more revealingly autobiographical, he described a mindblowing "vision" he had one day -- perhaps the most horrific of ALL his encounters with various "hyperdimensional" or "extraterrestrial" entities occurring in the course of his explorations with LSD and Ketamine while "de-programming" himself in a sensory deprivation chamber. One day, says he, he caught a glimpse of what it was that, from somewhere in deep space, had fixed its eye on Planet Earth and Homo sapiens long ago and had decided to intervene in our evolution. He described the covetous meddler from Beyond as a "solid-state entity," representing an extraterrestrial form of intelligence and power not only inhuman but *INORGANIC* in nature ... "It" regarded the physical resources of the planet as "food," and all carbon-based LIFE --whether human, animal, or vegetable-- as something to be "digested," transformed into a kind of "radiation" it could absorb, through its destruction. Toward that end, the reasoning here goes, "It" "domesticated" human beings and "bred" them to the point of overpopulation, resulting in our historic orgies of mass-murder and genocide-- so that "It" could "consume" the "radiation" that was released in abundance by living organisms in their death-throes-- and inbetween, it directed all cultural enterprises toward systematically, progressively "cannibalizing" the ecosphere and the planet's natural resources -- so that "It" could obtain an analogous "raw material" from this conversion of planetary "mass" into an "energy" which it apparently needed to support its INORGANIC "metabolic functions." In short, "It" has aimed for millennia now at the ultimate DESTRUCTION of everything ORGANIC on Planet Earth --chiefly organic LIFE-- until nothing but a cold skeleton of metallic ores and a radioactive cloud of ionized elements remained. Billions of years of our planet's evolution erased to sate the appetite of an extraterrestrial parasite or virus. The history of our world would end not with a bang, nor a whimper, but with a BURP. Sobering "star's eye" view of our planet, no? So, I offer this as a kind of counterpoint to the rosier conjectures of others about the "quickening" or "rapture" coming at Endtime, when the Annunaki who created us return to "harvest" the fruits of their experiment (or the extragalactic lab techs from Zeta reticuli give our little Petri dish a good cleaning) .. Not an uncommon nightmare vision --Happy Hallowe'en, by the way!-- of the (possibly) true position of man on earth vis-a-vis "superior intelligences" in the greater universe. Sufi-inspired teacher Gurdjieff suggested as much in saying sagely, but darkly, "Man is food for 'the moon,' " indicating some "higher" realm that, for us, just signifies DEATH and could be perceived only as the rabbit perceives the wolf higher on the food-chain. Colin Wilson has dramatized a similar vision in works of fiction --in a whole "series" on this subject-- cinematically represented by "Lifeforce," although he has ALSO written a SERIOUS (?) essay arguing this possibility, imbedded in one of those "sci-fi" novels. (In fact, Wilson takes Sitchin's OPTIMISM about "Nibiru" and stands it on its head ...) Naked apes with a capacity for speech may just be a delicacy on someone's menu. "Man, proud man, possessed of a little brief authority, most ignorant of what he's most assured ... His glassy essence, like an angry ape, doth play such tricks upon high heaven, as make the angels weep ..." [or maybe lick their chops!] --Shakespeare DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Oct 99, at 8:06, Das GOAT wrote: Not an uncommon nightmare vision --Happy Hallowe'en, by the way!-- of the (possibly) true position of man on earth vis-a-vis "superior intelligences" in the greater universe. Sufi-inspired teacher Gurdjieff suggested as much in saying sagely, but darkly, "Man is food for 'the moon,' " indicating some "higher" realm that, for us, just signifies DEATH and could be perceived only as the rabbit perceives the wolf higher on the food-chain. Colin Wilson has dramatized a similar vision in works of fiction --in a whole "series" on this subject-- cinematically represented by "Lifeforce," although he has ALSO written a SERIOUS (?) essay arguing this possibility, imbedded in one of those "sci-fi" novels. (In fact, Wilson takes Sitchin's OPTIMISM about "Nibiru" and stands it on its head ...) Just to add a little bit to this, contrary to Christian teaching which says that everyone has a "soul" which ascends to Divine Realms or descends to Hell, depending on the individual's behavior in life regarding good and evil, Gurdjieff (also drawing on Tibetan Buddhism) taught that a soul had to be created by an individual using conscious effort to do so. And that very few humans troubled themselves to make that effort. He was the first teacher to offer Westerners a method by which this could be done. It is in this vein that Buddhists train themselves with an eye to achieving a "conscious" death. In such training a "soul" can be created and in a conscious death, that soul is released safely to its further destiny and does not "feed the moon."And yes, both John Lilly and Colin Wilson can both be better understood through an understanding of Gurdjieff. Interesting to me is that P.L. Travers, author of my favorite books in childhood, "Mary Poppins," was a practicing Sufi. Also Doris Lessing, one of my later favorites. Gurdjieff also put political unrest to seismic upheaval and said that there was nothing to do but get out of the way. He also said that such times were a gift to those who aspired to consciousness since it created energies which could be used to this purpose by those who knew how to use them. You certainly could say that such a philosophy is elitist since, according to G and related teachings, only one in a million would make the effort and create a soul worthy of escaping a darker fate. However, the opportunity was open to all. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-30 13:44:58 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just to add a little bit to this, contrary to Christian teaching which says that everyone has a "soul" which ascends to Divine Realms or descends to Hell, depending on the individual's behavior in life regarding good and evil, Gurdjieff (also drawing on Tibetan Buddhism) taught that a soul had to be created by an individual using conscious effort to do so. And that very few humans troubled themselves to make that effort. He was the first teacher to offer Westerners a method by which this could be done. It is in this vein that Buddhists train themselves with an eye to achieving a "conscious" death. In such training a "soul" can be created and in a conscious death, that soul is released safely to its further destiny and does not "feed the moon."And yes, both John Lilly and Colin Wilson can both be better understood through an understanding of Gurdjieff. Well stated. And yes, contrary to the popular misconception, the Tibetan Buddhists do (did?) not believe in "reincarnation" for EVERYONE, but ONLY for "enlightened ones," chiefly the Dalai Lama. Just as in the most ancient religions --e.g., the Egyptian-- only members of the Ruling Class had "souls" and could "rise up" to become "immortals." (Until the advent of Osiris-worship "popularized" that prospect -- the Book of the Dead being later than the Pyramid Texts, wherein the Pharaoh after death battled monsters and fed on the flesh of other ascended souls before assuming new status as a "star.") The Tibetan Book of the Dead served the same purpose as the Egyptian Book of the Dead, as an "instruction manual" for the options of the becoming-disembodied spirit, who was typically one "nobly born" (literally) attended to by the "royal" priesthood ... Originally, the Tibetans appear to have believed, just like the Egyptians and Sumerians, that COMMONERS could only expect a dissolution of their lifestuff, alongside animals, in an "astral" worldgloomily pictured as being UNDER, not ABOVE, the earthly plane. Funny how, almost universally, cosmology-as-theology mirrors sociology -- "religion" functioning as a way of "spiritually" legitimizing a political-economic class structure. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex/Machine ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/30/1999 5:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny how, almost universally, cosmology-as-theology mirrors sociology -- "religion" functioning as a way of "spiritually" legitimizing a political-economic class structure. Yes, and if there's anything to the information in the Dictionary of Angels, the class structure seems to continue right on into paradise/hades (what have you). Really a bummer. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
