Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Rhialto wrote: > On Sat 18 Nov 2017 at 23:03:27 +, David Holland wrote: >> You are completely missing the point of why those quotes are there. > > Such a remark is rather useless without stating why you think they are > there. It does nothing

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

Seriously, if you don't know who Hitler was and why quotes from him should be seen in a certain perspective, you should take a lesson on modern world history and not run around being offended. It's not about being offended, it's about normalizing/trivializing his impact. Evidence: Clearly,

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

> Am 19.11.2017 um 17:53 schrieb m...@netbsd.org: > > The quotes I removed personally offend me. I assume I've done enough for > netbsd to not be considered an evil outsider company who is here to > spoil fun. > > I'm not too excited to contribute to a project that insists on keeping > a quote

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On 11/19/17 14:22, Rhialto wrote: [---] >> You are completely missing the point of why those quotes are there. > > Such a remark is rather useless without stating why you think they are > there. It does nothing to convince me, obviously. You're implying that the quotes are there for nefarious

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 10:04:41AM -0500, William D. Jones wrote: > > Seriously, if you don't know who Hitler was and why quotes from him > > should be seen > in a certain perspective, you should take a lesson on modern world > history and not run around being offended. > > It's not about being

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > choice in the tonal sense, he was a brilliant orator and there are many > useful quotes from him. Heck, he is often found on the list of most > inspirational quotes. If anything, there should be more and better > quotes

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sat 18 Nov 2017 at 23:03:27 +, David Holland wrote: > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 01:21:25PM +0100, Rhialto wrote: > > I checked our fortune cookies database, and I was appalled to notice > > that we do have the same quotes there. Apart from those quotes being > > wholly inappropriate in a

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On 19.11.2017 11:46, Hauke Fath wrote: > I kind of object to this attempt to de-humanize Thanks for raising this. This process of dehumanization doesn't make us better people and actually dehumanization was what to lead to the cleaning of the human race from so called "unwanted" people. There

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

The quotes I removed personally offend me. I assume I've done enough for netbsd to not be considered an evil outsider company who is here to spoil fun. I'm not too excited to contribute to a project that insists on keeping a quote on how women should be stupid by a man who tried to exterminate my

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

> Am 19.11.2017 um 18:33 schrieb co...@sdf.org: > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 05:58:12PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: >> You should grow some balls. Not in the biological sense, of course. > > I did, that's why I went ahead and removed them. christos reverted my > commit. See. He grew even more

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

In article <20171119181406.gc26...@sdf.org>, wrote: >I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people >cannot agree on it, all of fortune. The problem is that "offensive" is not quantifiable term and it is highly dependend on the reader. This is why FreeBSD

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 08:48:41PM +0100, Rhialto wrote: > On Sun 19 Nov 2017 at 18:14:06 +, co...@sdf.org wrote: > > I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people > > cannot agree on it, all of fortune. > > It isn't even so much that they are "offensive" as such. It is

Re: iwn failure on -current (XEN3_DOM0)

ci4...@gmail.com (Chavdar Ivanov) writes: >Here my point was that iwn used to work under XEN3_DOM0 a few months >ago and is not working now, Hmm. iwn is working on bare metal for me. It should work on XEN3_DOM0. >which may indicate some problem or >regression elsewhere, which was the main

Re: iwn failure on -current (XEN3_DOM0)

To be honest, I have always used it without many troubles on many machines and never checked that. By the way, on the same T61p I was doing the same test there is also a W10 partition, it runs as fast as it can on that hardware, but the driver is ancient and from time to time I am getting BSODs,

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

I think you may better understand it if you consider that "Hitler was bad" is always the default context, regardless of whatever the isolated quote from him is. Apparently not, which is why I've seen multiple people in this thread say he was a brilliant orator and "more/better quotes from him

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, Andy Ruhl wrote: On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: choice in the tonal sense, he was a brilliant orator and there are many useful quotes from him. Heck, he is often found on the list of most inspirational quotes. If anything, there

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On 19 November 2017 at 15:16, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, Andy Ruhl wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: >>> >>> choice in the tonal sense, he was a brilliant orator and there are many >>> useful quotes from

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Nov 19, 8:48pm, Rhialto wrote: } On Sun 19 Nov 2017 at 18:14:06 +, co...@sdf.org wrote: } > I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people } > cannot agree on it, all of fortune. } } It isn't even so much that they are "offensive" as such. It is just that } out there

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

Just an advice from an outsider that is lurking for a while in your domains. Don't let that PC nonsense enter in your realm. A fortune doesn't have to be a piece of wisdom. It is just an astonishing (or trying to be) adage. Can be funny, ridiculous, horrible, it doesn't matter.

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, co...@sdf.org wrote: I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people cannot agree on it, all of fortune. We have an "offensive" collection/database. _Moving_ offensive quotes to the -o file is an appropriate action; removing the quotes in their

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

> Am 19.11.2017 um 19:01 schrieb co...@sdf.org: > > I had the commit message written out and everything. > I'm not sure why we have such a lengthy discussion about a game. > > If we care so much about games, I'm gonna plug my pkgsrc games wishlist: >

Re: iwn failure on -current (XEN3_DOM0)

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:11:44AM +, Chavdar Ivanov wrote: > Here my point was that iwn used to work under XEN3_DOM0 a few months > ago and is not working now, which may indicate some problem or > regression elsewhere, which was the main reason for my question. 'Git bisect' is a good way to

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 05:58:12PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: > You should grow some balls. Not in the biological sense, of course. I did, that's why I went ahead and removed them. christos reverted my commit.

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

I had the commit message written out and everything. I'm not sure why we have such a lengthy discussion about a game. If we care so much about games, I'm gonna plug my pkgsrc games wishlist: https://github.com/SuperV1234/SSVOpenHexagon https://github.com/ppy/osu They should be really good.

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people cannot agree on it, all of fortune. Don't confuse my interest in de-escalation with giving up.

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Nov 19, 4:53pm, m...@netbsd.org wrote: } } The quotes I removed personally offend me. I assume I've done enough for } netbsd to not be considered an evil outsider company who is here to } spoil fun. A huge number of the quotes are likely to offend somebody. If everybody ran around

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Nov 19, 11:46am, Hauke Fath wrote: } On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:24:18 +0100, Rhialto wrote: } } > and they make A.H. seem like a relatively normal person. Now if } > he was quoted at his worst, it might be obvious what sort of monster he } > was, } } I kind of object to this attempt to

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sun 19 Nov 2017 at 18:14:06 +, co...@sdf.org wrote: > I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people > cannot agree on it, all of fortune. It isn't even so much that they are "offensive" as such. It is just that out there in the Real World, you Simply Do Not Quote

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On 11/19/17 20:48, Rhialto wrote: >> I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people >> cannot agree on it, all of fortune. > > It isn't even so much that they are "offensive" as such. It is just that > out there in the Real World, you Simply Do Not Quote Adolf Hitler, at >

Re: iwn failure on -current (XEN3_DOM0)

On 19 November 2017 at 08:01, Michael van Elst wrote: > ci4...@gmail.com (Chavdar Ivanov) writes: > >>I used to run DOM0 on xen4.8, the wireless interface worked for the >>DOM0, although I could never make the bridge work (it worked with the >>wired wm0, though). > > You

Re: iwn failure on -current (XEN3_DOM0)

ci4...@gmail.com (Chavdar Ivanov) writes: >I used to run DOM0 on xen4.8, the wireless interface worked for the >DOM0, although I could never make the bridge work (it worked with the >wired wm0, though). You cannot bridge via WiFi because this requires support to not only receive for arbitrary

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:24:18 +0100, Rhialto wrote: > On Sat 18 Nov 2017 at 15:02:01 +0100, Hauke Fath wrote: >> And note the following excerpt from fortune(6): >> >> -o[...] > > You may have noted that the mentioned quotes are NOT part of the > offensive set! I haven't, and you didn't

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

i wrote: |Rhialto wrote: | ... ||I agree that bad history should be remembered in context and not ||forgotten. However, that is not what these quotes do. They give no ||context, and they make A.H. seem like a relatively normal person. Now if ||he was quoted at his worst,

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

> Am 19.11.2017 um 21:03 schrieb Andrew Cagney : > > > > > On 19 November 2017 at 13:14, > wrote: > I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people > cannot agree on it, all of fortune. > > Don't confuse my

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

On 19 November 2017 at 13:14, wrote: > I still think that we should remove offensive quotes, and if people > cannot agree on it, all of fortune. > > Don't confuse my interest in de-escalation with giving up. > Yes, remove. Be it the file or the entire program. NetBSD is

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

> Am 19.11.2017 um 16:44 schrieb Joerg Sonnenberger : > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 10:04:41AM -0500, William D. Jones wrote: >>> Seriously, if you don't know who Hitler was and why quotes from him >>> should be seen >> in a certain perspective, you should take a lesson on modern

Re: iwn failure on -current (XEN3_DOM0)

Thanks for the tip! On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 at 18:31, wrote: > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:11:44AM +, Chavdar Ivanov wrote: > > Here my point was that iwn used to work under XEN3_DOM0 a few months > > ago and is not working now, which may indicate some problem or > > regression

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Re: toolchain/52722: config(8) busy-loops, then cores

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:58 AM John D. Baker wrote: > Following this commit: > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/source-changes/2017/11/16/msg089749.html > > the stock kernels in a release build fine, but when trying to build the > first of my custom kernels, "nbconfig"

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

I agree with you. My comment was much weaker, but the intention was the same. Chavdar Ivanov On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 at 16:41, Jaromír Doleček wrote: > I very strongly object to against anything appeasing any SJW or PC trolls, > and I'm against removing those quotes. > >

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

Rhialto wrote: ... |I agree that bad history should be remembered in context and not |forgotten. However, that is not what these quotes do. They give no |context, and they make A.H. seem like a relatively normal person. Now if |he was quoted at his worst, it might be

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

I very strongly object to against anything appeasing any SJW or PC trolls, and I'm against removing those quotes. History needs to be remembered, and learnt from. Facts need to be told and faced. It is a great threat to our modern society that certain groups of people today are so intent on

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

Too difficult to decide what to quote here, but there has been a comparable controversy in the USA about whether to remove Confederate statues, statues of Confederate leaders and generals who played a big role in the Confederacy during the Civil War era. Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky didn't

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

>Governor Matt Bevin of Kentucky didn't want to remove the offending >statues because that would only serve to sanitize history. I agree >with that viewpoint. I'd be sympthatic to that argument if a) we weren't talking about monuments to people who were leading an armed insurrection against the

Re: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler [pr bin/52735]

From: Jaromír Doleček I very strongly object to against anything appeasing any SJW or PC trolls, and I'm against removing those quotes. Took this thread long enough to play "those evul Ess Jay DoubleUs" card. Good hint that I can ignore the rest, but in any case. Any time I see someone use