Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 68
Hello Harold, Hello all. Just to give some more (late) feedback (hope it helps a bit): I intend to make XFree86-xserv-4.2.0-15 the stable release as soon as I receive some feedback that it does not introduce any substantial bugs. I have been using the rootless mode since it was first released as a test for doing my daily programming. I only updated the XWin.exe to the test without extended logging as that consumed too much time and disk space. What I use is: - icewm as window manager (task bar always visible and supplying the window manager`s menu to open new xterms, apart from that I do most of the work via command line anyway), usually one work space left unused to be able to hide all X windows with one mouse click... - nedit with multiple windows (my C source code editor, sometimes 6 and more distributet over icewm`s workspaces) - ssh login to my home system - administration of our internet gateway here in the company (2 LinuX boxes) - mozilla from the LinuX box In parallel on the Windoze side I used - Borland C++ to comile and debug while having nedit open - Mozilla - Open Office - setiathome client I had NO problems at all, everything runs fine except slightly more time seems to be needed to open an X window - but that is no problem here, maybe it is an illusion anyway. Cygwin saved me a lot of trouble in my daily work anyway but with rootless mode the context switching between editing and compiling has become extremely convenient. The Host OS is Windows NT with Service Pack 6. I did not fully check it on my laptop with Windows 98 yet. As far as my experience is concerned: Green light for a release... Regards and have a nice weekend, Uwe
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Hallo Sam. Sam Edge wrote: At the expense of being somewhat off topic and sounding like a and so on - at least avoid full qoute... Guess I needed that - I had TweakUI already installed for some other reason but never checked the mouse options... sh... By the way: This works absolutely positiv with the -rootless option of the new xwin binary. All looks like being integrated expcept copy/paste. Thanks a lot! Uwe
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Keith D. Tyler wrote: At the expense of sounding like a picky naysayer, XMouse never worked consistently similar to any other X wm's focus-follows-mouse behaviour that I ever used. And it will never work like Fvwm2 SloppyFocus, which I've become addicted to. :) Maybe I was not clear enough with my posting (english is not my native language, sorry). What I am running is a combination of xmouse for the native windoze stuff and icewm managing the mouse focus for x11. This is not always flawless, but with icewm using the nice scheme windows and X11 almost look the same and the context switch between X and windoze works without having to click or press any weired keys. This is extremely useful as I use nedit for editing my source code while using borland as a compiler. I am used to nedit for almost 7 years now and had extreme problems with editor integrated in borlands ide when I came to this job. Sorry for being off topic again... Maybe Harold Hunt could give a short hint on where to get the xwin.exe version with less logging... Thanks. Regards and have a nice weekend. Uwe
Re: Invoking rootless mode
Hi! The rootless mode is much more interesting than the real one from other products (at least for me). One of the reasons for this is cygwins capability of still being able to use an X11 window manager (e.g. icewm) instead of the dump windows user interface (oh how I miss the focus follows mouse function within windows, just to mention one)... I sometimes use a tail -f to follow some debug from a windows application compiled with borland and I definitely use nedit as my favourite editor (I came from the unix world). The first works much better when in rootless mode than being forced to switch from win to x and the other way round. So - many useless words, but one tip: Having icewm with the statusbar almost everything can be used as with fullscreen mode (Window managers menus are available via status bar). When icewm moves the complete window (I think that was called opaque move) even the problem with the invisible(?) window outline does not exists. So GREAT WORK done there! Bradey Honsinger wrote: I didn't see a mention of the argument to invoke the new rootless mode anywhere in this thread--no doubt it's in the updated man pages, but I just grabbed the Test66 binary. Logically enough, it's '-rootless': -rootless EXPERIMENTAL: Run the server in pseudo-rootless mode. You don't appear to need the '-nodecoration' option when you use '-rootless'. Note that the output of 'XWin -help' goes to /tmp/XWin.log[1], a fact which I had forgotten. I just used -rootless without any other options. Works fine. Window creation and movement slows down a little but when the windows are shown there seems to be no speed punishment for using the pseudo rootless mode. This is really cool--many thanks to Matsuzaki, Thomas, and Harold! It's a bit of a hack, but it looks very useful, and at the least it should get most of the 'Why doesn't cygwin-xfree work like my favorite commerial X server?' people off of Harold's back. I'll probably go back to full-screen 'rooted' mode, though--I _like_ hiding all of the Windows junk when I'm working in X. - Bradey Just one question (little of topic in this thread): Has anyone succesfully used dfm with cygwin? It compiled flawless but when started it complains about dll`s missing in the path. That happened when trying to start a program or to change some preferences. (Funny enough those were cygwin1.dll and libX11.dll and the path was something like c:\cygwin\...) Maybe I just missed an existing patch (took dfm source from the projects homepage). Regards, Uwe
Re: Re[3] XWin.exe doesn't start
Hi Harold. That is funny - although my machines both start, these are the log entries from my NT4 (SP6) and my Win98 machine. The NT one uses ShadowDD, the Win98 machine uses ShadowDDNL! Both machines use the standard startx script. The only thing I changed is -fullscreen. Logs follow. Regards, Uwe - NT4-Log: ddxProcessArgument () - Initializing default screens winInitializeDefaultScreens () - w 1600 h 1200 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 001b winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw winAdjustVideoModeShadowDD () - Using Windows display depth of 16 bits per pixel winAllocateFBShadowDD () - Not changing video mode winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks f800 07e0 001f BPRGB 6 d 16 winLayerCreate () - dwDepth 16 winRandRInit () winCreateDefColormap () - Deferring to fbCreateDefColormap () winScreenInit () - returning - Win98-Log: -- ddxProcessArgument () - Initializing default screens winInitializeDefaultScreens () - w 1024 h 768 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0017 winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Using Windows display depth of 16 bits per pixel winAllocateFBShadowDDNL () - Not changing video mode winAllocateFBShadowDDNL () - lPitch: 2048 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks f800 07e0 001f BPRGB 6 d 16 winLayerCreate () - dwDepth 16 winRandRInit () winCreateDefColormap () - Deferring to fbCreateDefColormap () winScreenInit () - returning - Harold Hunt wrote: Lionel, Is there any particular reason why you're using the Shadow DirectDraw engine instead of the Shadow DirectDraw Non-Locking engine? Are you passing a `-engine 2' parameter? You're platform, NT/2000, should allow you to use ShadowDDNL if you have NT 4.0 SP3+. What's going on here? Harold
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Hello! I am sorry to (maybe) destroy your enthusiasm but from my point of view there are some more reasons for not running either gnome or kde on cygwin: The main thing is: they are very large packages and even on my linux box they are that slow, that I prefer just using icewm as window manager and only have kde and gnome installed in case some application needs the libraries. If I start to compare cygwin running under win98 I really can not advise you to run kde or gnome - maybe on NT kernel based machines that is different. Cygwin is (and here the developers have made a real good job - Thanks!) a very good tool if you want to run applications like nedit (which is my favourite editor) and other basic unix routines I really miss under windows - but as any Operating system running on top of another one - it has it`s speed limitations. Another great usage for cygwin is to use it for running xdm sessions or if you have to do admin work on a unix box over the network (it has ssh, sftp and all the other nice tools which windooze does not have). So for me (personal opinion) it is a great (and long expected) extension to that operating systems from Redmond which I am forced to use some times... By the way: I would not even use kde or gnome with linux - but that is MY personal opinion about it. Please do not kill me for it! So again: Thanks to all the developers! Regards, Uwe
Re: Question of using ssh -X under cygwin-x86free
Hi. I am not absolutely sure, but isn´t it ssh -l user@host ??? Regards, Uwe Paul Yeung wrote: Hi, ... ssh -X -l username hostname hostname's password: Write failed: The descriptor is a file, not a socket
Re: [CONT] Xlib: No protocol specified (connection refused byserver)
Hi. To me the problems seems to be: Xlib: connection to 10.0.0.4:0.0 refused by server The Xserver with XFree86 does not allow connections from external programs - this is exactly the message I get when I forget to set xhost. For testing you could try to type xhost + on your windows machine (local xterm). Later you should either use Xauth or xhost with the machine you wish to allow. Regards, Uwe
Re: Keyboard non us
Hello. This might be a bit off this topic, but just one question: I am currently using xmodmap for my german keyboard. As this is working fine (I got the map from my linux box), I would like to know if there is any SPEED issue when using xmodmap instead of XKB? Regards, Uwe
Re: FW: Problem: extreme speed difference NT4 Win98SE runing Xfree
Hello. Thanks for all the good hints. I am trying to comment them all at once: First of all: The comparison was running Xfree, icewm, nedit and an own application completely under cygwin on the same machine - not outgoing connections. That is exactly my problem: I want to avoid using two computers for my project. Second: Good hint is network listening: my own application (you can find a very early stage on http://www.brunsteinobs.de.vu/ under the XCCD section) uses TCP/IP socket communication to cummunicate with a rabbit core module. While XCCD is running under LinuX (or cygwin), the rabbit programming environtment needs Windows. Third: both systems were compared just ruuning Xfee, icewm and nedit under cygwin without extra IP stuff running. Opening the IP port does not even change anything. Forth: My Win98 machine has DirectX 8.1 which seems to be the latest version available from M$. So I guess it is the difference between NT optimization and Win9x. Best regards, Uwe Andrew Markebo wrote: / Andrew Markebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | A hint, give vnc a try when connecting from your home-pc, can do quite | good transfer :-) | | What link is used BTW when working from home? (could it be something And link I mean media, connection, whatever, how do you connect between the computers.. /Andy
Problem: extreme speed difference NT4 Win98SE runing Xfree
Hello. I have one question about speed issues concerning different Host operating systems of the cygwin environment. Here at work I am using cygwin with the latest X11 binaries on an 800 MHz PIII and an Nvideo Vanta Graphics adaptor. X11 is quite usable with this setup although the speed loss compared to LinuX on this machine (even when just displaying softawre from our server) is high. But nothing to complain here. But with the same configuration of Cygwin and X11 (this one was updated 5 days ago) on my 800 MHz Athlon at home (freshly intalled 6 days ago, ATI Graphics) X11 is almost unsable (e.g. I can type almost faster than nedit can diplays it). The main difference is that the slow system has Win98SE installed. Oh yes - there is also a difference in RAM: this machine has 512 MB, the slower one at home only has 256 MB which I would assume should suffice... What is interesting though is, that when I use the demo version of MiX (Micro Images X Server) I get the same performance as with the NT machine, while on the NT box MiX and X11 running on Cygwin perform almost the same. So now the question: is that a known issue or have I made a mistake when instlling the system? Regards, Uwe
