Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-20 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 11:50 AM -0600 10/20/2000, Bob Jueneman wrote: Let's put this problem in perspective, and try to avoid the "chicken little, the sky is falling" syndrome. It's quite unlikely that someone would come up with "Eureka!" type of solution to factoring large numbers that would end up completely

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-19 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 10:23 AM -0700 10/18/2000, Ed Gerck wrote: "Arnold G. Reinhold" wrote: At 11:21 AM -0700 10/17/2000, Ed Gerck wrote: As Tony Bartoletti wrote, apologies for what seems a rant, but the "solid mathematical foundations" underlying digital signatures, "Qualified Certificates", unmistakable

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-18 Thread Ed Gerck
Tony Bartoletti wrote: The problem goes beyond simple impersonation in that the victims subsequently find it difficult to convince large institutions that they are who they say they are. My understanding is that the term comes from victims' statements that they felt as if their

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-18 Thread Ed Gerck
"Arnold G. Reinhold" wrote: At 11:21 AM -0700 10/17/2000, Ed Gerck wrote: As Tony Bartoletti wrote, apologies for what seems a rant, but the "solid mathematical foundations" underlying digital signatures, "Qualified Certificates", unmistakable IDs, biometrics and so forth create in me a

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-17 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 4:37 PM -0700 10/16/2000, Ed Gerck wrote: Borrowing from a private comment from Bob Jueneman, whatever the technical community decides that non-repudiation means, it probably isn't what the legal community means. So be it. Certainly the legal profession uses ordinary English words to mean

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-16 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 10:20 PM -0700 10/15/2000, Ed Gerck wrote: Arnold, Internet RFCs are technical specifications that use common English words in a strictly defined manner. To suggest that the use of names in computer code or Internet RFCs might have legal implications ... imagine lawyers examining some code

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-16 Thread Mac Norton
Oh and as to non-repudiation and lawyers throwing that term around loosely: Most lawyers would probably tell you that, for their purposes, whatever the parties *agree* to be non-repudiation *is* non-repudiation as between *them*. The hard cases are the ones where there's no agreement and

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-16 Thread Ed Gerck
Mac Norton wrote: Oh and as to non-repudiation and lawyers throwing that term around loosely: Most lawyers would probably tell you that, for their purposes, whatever the parties *agree* to be non-repudiation *is* non-repudiation as between *them*. Yes. The hard cases are the ones where

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-15 Thread Ed Gerck
Arnold, Internet RFCs are technical specifications that use common English words in a strictly defined manner. To suggest that the use of names in computer code or Internet RFCs might have legal implications ... imagine lawyers examining some code and trying to attach meaning to variable

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-10 Thread Ed Gerck
"Arnold G. Reinhold" wrote: You may well be right about the accepted definition of non-repudiation, but if you are then I would amend my remarks to say that known cryptographic technology cannot provide non-repudiation service unless we are willing to create a new legal duty for

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-08 Thread Bram Cohen
On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Ben Laurie wrote: Since we're in hair-splitting mode, I should point out that "prevents the denial of an act" is not equivalent to a "negation that something is false". Of course, logically, it comes to the same thing, but then, so does "assertion that something is

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-08 Thread Ben Laurie
Ed Gerck wrote: "Arnold G. Reinhold" wrote: In public-key cryptography "Non-Repudiation" means that that the probability that a particular result could have been produced without access to the secret key is vanishingly small, subject to the assumption that the underlying public-key

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-08-11 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 8:10 PM -0700 8/9/2000, David Honig wrote: At 08:29 AM 8/9/00 -0700, Eric Murray wrote: It's 1) saying that the passphrase can "usually be broken". I'm sure that some people manage to choose poor/short passphrases, but "usually" would be pushing it.  Has anyone ever published an entropy vs.

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-08-10 Thread Ed Gerck
Hi Salz! Saving time, labor money and gaining in the money market for transaction time differentials was the banks initial motivation but the co$t advantages of unsupervised authentication assurances, liability confinment and real-time auditing (read all as: higher security) brought by

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-08-09 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:05:02AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Um, it has been the case in the past that the secret keyring was encrypted using IDEA and the user's passphrase. I doubt that this has changed recently. The cluelesness is in the second sentence, not the first. It's 1) saying

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-08-09 Thread David Honig
At 08:29 AM 8/9/00 -0700, Eric Murray wrote: It's 1) saying that the passphrase can "usually be broken". I'm sure that some people manage to choose poor/short passphrases, but "usually" would be pushing it. Has anyone ever published an entropy vs. frequency study for real-world passwords?

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-08-08 Thread Ian BROWN
I'm not sure how much confidence one of the paper's footnotes gives me: 26. The secret key ring in PGP is usually encrypted with a much simpler crypto-system. Also the key ring is subject to a pass phrase but this can usually be broken using one of the hacker programs available on the Internet