Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 05:57:25PM -0400, David Honig wrote: At 01:37 AM 10/16/00 -0400, Nathan Saper wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 07:11:19PM -0700, James A.. Donald wrote: Have you been sealed in a box the last ten years? Companies may

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 11:53:26PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: "Riad S. Wahby" wrote: Nathan Saper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Tarquin Fintimlinbin-Whinbimlim-Bus Stop F'Tang F'Tang Olé Biscuit-Barrel? Uh, what? This

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Tim May
At 12:27 AM -0700 10/17/00, Kerry L. Bonin wrote: And yet ciphers are a significant target of the NSA. Sure, they devote significant resources to exploiting weaknesses in key management, but ciphers are a primary target. Many people who discuss the capabilities of the NSA do not use proper

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:50 PM -0700 on 10/16/00, Nathan Saper wrote: I'm not claiming to be stating facts. Ah. :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "...

Re: Stop spam!

2000-10-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:07 PM -0700 on 10/16/00, Bill Stewart wrote regarding the "somebody oughta" problem: You shouldn't have to search back more than a month ...at any point in time... :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Kerry L. Bonin
At 01:18 AM 10/17/00 -0700, Tim May wrote: For a message encrypted (or signed, a related problem) with a PKS cipher, recovering the plaintext involves factoring the modulus...so far as we know. This factoring may be done with conventional computers, special-purpose computers, or even exotic

GEMA / tax Lars

2000-10-17 Thread Doobee R. Tzeck
I just checked the Legal Status of the GEMA - http://www.gema.de/eng/ GEMA is a "eingetragener Verein" (registered Club) and has no direct association with the state. But there is the "Urheberrechtswahrnehmungsgesetz", sometimes called Lex GEMA. It basically says that you have to proof to GEMA

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Re: Stop spam!

2000-10-17 Thread Bill Stewart
Cypherpunks works like any anarchy. *You're* running cypherpunks. If you want something done the way you want it done, *do it* and get other people to help you. Also, given that the list has been around for almost a decade, and has archives, you might consider seeing if it's been discussed. You

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Tom Vogt
Nathan Saper wrote: Even if they do (which I haven't heard of, but I could be wrong), the trend right now is more corporate power, less governmental power. As I said before, we are already seeing this trend, what with corporations able to circumvent countries' environmental codes and

SFBAY CP meat meet timeout handler

2000-10-17 Thread Anonymous Remailer
Since no timely announcement from usual sources was detected, why not meet in San Francisco, Golden Gate Park, 9th and Lincoln, create an ad hoc agenda and beat it till dinner time.

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:46:25PM -0700, Nathan Saper wrote: Fine. My basis for my claim is that the NSA is the best funded and best equiped electronic intelligence agency in the world, and they have employed some of the smartest people in the world. Sorry, but this is hand-waving. There

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Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Jordan Dimov
Could a factoring breakthrough happen to convert this exptime problem to polynomial time? Maybe. I said as much. Is it likely? See discussions on progress toward proving factoring to be NP-hard (it hasn't been proved to be such, though it is suspected to be so, i.e., that there will never

RE: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Fisher Mark
Kerry L. Bonin writes: Most people who have worked with military crypto systems do, off the record. The difference between what is public and what has been developed with decades of unlimited resources is staggering. How many cryptographers or discrete math experts work in the public

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kerry L. Bonin wrote: Extrapolate capabilities from the EFF DES crack project and you are somewhat closer (1536 ASIC w/ 24 cores/ASIC yielded 4.52 days/crack of 56 bit keyspace), then take into consideration the advantages of using more sophisticated semiconductor

Re: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First Monday August 2000)

2000-10-17 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 4:37 PM -0700 10/16/2000, Ed Gerck wrote: Borrowing from a private comment from Bob Jueneman, whatever the technical community decides that non-repudiation means, it probably isn't what the legal community means. So be it. Certainly the legal profession uses ordinary English words to mean

Re: Protecting Our Children

2000-10-17 Thread Peter Capelli/Raleigh/Contr/IBM
Here is a link to the text: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c106:1:./temp/~c106Eno3vf:: Thanks! -p "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Mac Norton [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cyberpass.net on 10/16/2000

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread David Honig
At 11:58 AM 10/16/00 -0700, Joshua R. Poulson wrote: Isn't utterly obvious that the NSA, just any decent person, compartmentalizes its security so that if one system were broken, the other systems would not necessarily be broken? Very well said. They also benefit from security via obscurity

RE: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Kerry L. Bonin
At 10:06 AM 10/17/00 -0500, Fisher Mark wrote: It is just a whole lot easier to do a black-bag job on a North Korean embassy (for example) than to directly attack their crypto. That is why defense companies do background checks, that is why some areas of military facilities are guarded by

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Kerry L. Bonin
At 08:24 AM 10/17/00 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kerry L. Bonin wrote: Extrapolate capabilities from the EFF DES crack project and you are somewhat closer (1536 ASIC w/ 24 cores/ASIC yielded 4.52 days/crack of 56 bit keyspace), then take into consideration the advantages

Re: A helpful ruling on anonymity

2000-10-17 Thread Tim May
At 10:24 AM -0700 10/17/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: Basically, whether it's math or crypto, there are some ideas that people just aren't going to "get" because they always lump unfamiliar things together if those things violate the same assumption. In math, they used to look at me blankly when I

Re: A helpful ruling on anonymity

2000-10-17 Thread Ray Dillinger
On 17 Oct 2000, Matt Curtin wrote: With all of the people running around claiming that data which are pseudonymous are actually anonymous, it's no wonder that there's so much confusion. http://www.consumerreports.org/Special/ConsumerInterest/Reports/0005pri1.htm Trying to point out the

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Tim May
At 10:22 AM -0700 10/17/00, Kerry L. Bonin wrote: At 08:24 AM 10/17/00 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: That totals 14 orders of magnitude (and I think that's generous). So use keys that are six bytes longer than a "reasonable" opponent could crack. problem solved. 2048-bit RSA is still way out

NSA Releases Reorg Reports

2000-10-17 Thread John Young
NSA released today on its Web site two reports on its reorganization, one by an external team of 27 page, another of 76 pages by an internal team. Both are big PDF files. We have converted the first to HTML: http://cryptome.org/nsa-reorg-et.htm (77KB) Here is an excerpt: "We interviewed

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread jim bell
- Original Message - From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] The question occurs: did PK crypto get leaked on purpose? How was it done? It may not be exactly what you had in mind, but I personally _observed_ the "leak" (to the public) of RSA, but I simply didn't recognize what it was at

Unified Cryptologic Architecture

2000-10-17 Thread John Young
The bibliography of another NSA reorganization report released today lists several entries under "Unified Cryptologic Architecture" as well as a "U.S. Cryptologic Strategy - Preparing for the 21st Century." There is also a citation of "SINEWS - GCHQ Modernization and Change Program." We would

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread dmolnar
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Jordan Dimov wrote: Could a factoring breakthrough happen to convert this exptime problem to polynomial time? Maybe. I said as much. Is it likely? See discussions on progress toward proving factoring to be NP-hard (it hasn't been proved to be such, though it is

Cypherpunks is archived?

2000-10-17 Thread Tim May
At 1:33 PM -0700 10/17/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Galt wrote: Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity... Do you imagine for an instant that a list like this could go

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:50:36AM -0700, petro wrote: Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 05:57:25PM -0400, David Honig wrote: At 01:37 AM 10/16/00 -0400, Nathan Saper wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 07:11:19PM -0700, James A.. Donald wrote:

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 02:30:10PM +0200, Tom Vogt wrote: Nathan Saper wrote: Even if they do (which I haven't heard of, but I could be wrong), the trend right now is more corporate power, less governmental power. As I said before, we are

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Nathan Saper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:38:57AM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 09:46:25PM -0700, Nathan Saper wrote: Fine. My basis for my claim is that the NSA is the best funded and best equiped electronic intelligence agency in

Gore and Bush during debate: Equal-opportunity censors?

2000-10-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=00/10/18/042235mode=nested Gore and Bush: Equal-Opportunity Censors? posted by cicero on Tuesday October 17, @10:58PM from the affirmative-action-for-censorhappy-politicos dept. There was something absent from this evening's presidential

I created the Al Gore created the Internet story

2000-10-17 Thread Declan McCullagh
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39301,00.html The Mother of Gore's Invention by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3:00 a.m. Oct. 17, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- If it's true that Al Gore created the Internet, then I created the "Al Gore created the Internet"

Re: Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread Neil Johnson
Yes, I can see it now. "I'm sorry I have to tell you this Mr. Mrs. May, but the genetic tests required by your insurance company have revealed that your unborn child has a 65% chance of developing an expensive to treat and possibly severely debilitating condition requiring many operations,

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
Could a factoring breakthrough happen to convert this exptime problem to polynomial time? Maybe. I said as much. Is it likely? See discussions on progress toward proving factoring to be NP-hard (it hasn't been proved to be such, though it is suspected to be so, i.e., that there will never be

Re: Stop spam!

2000-10-17 Thread petro
Cypherpunks is archived? Isn't that against what most cypherpunks stand for? I know it sets up a "style fingerprint" attack against anonymity... It probably is, but it's also against what most cypherpunks stand for to tell them what to do with the bits that hit their network card. --

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
Merkle does not seem to be the kind of person who either would be working for the NSA or whom the NSA would pick to be a conduit for leaked secrets. 3. Ditto in spades for Whit Diffie. And Martin Hellman was, at that time, an active anti-war activist ("Beyond War"). Seems unlikely that NSA

Re: Stop spam!

2000-10-17 Thread petro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 06:48:48PM -0700, Tim May wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Ing. Fausto C.G. wrote: I dont now where did you get my e-mail, but I am receiving spam from you. Stop it right now, please, I didnt ask

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread petro
P.S. I too would be interested in documented cases where DNA collected by the police was given to insurance companies. It's (apparently) England where there is wide spread DNA collection for use in finding certain types of criminals. In England both the Police and the Health

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-17 Thread James A.. Donald
-- At 12:34 PM 10/17/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote: 3. Ditto in spades for Whit Diffie. And Martin Hellman was, at that time, an active anti-war activist ("Beyond War"). Seems unlikely that NSA would pick them. To put this in simple terms. A smart person with a modest computer, familiar

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2000-10-17 Thread Dave London
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