Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-11-16 Thread juan
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:12:02 -0800 Steven Schear wrote: > "Legacy Bitcoin is no longer useful as a currency and has been taken > over by the banking corporations in an attempt to kill off Bitcoin as > we know it." > The Final Solution to Legacy Bitcoin. > https://theflippening.github.io/open-lett

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-11-15 Thread Steven Schear
"Legacy Bitcoin is no longer useful as a currency and has been taken over by the banking corporations in an attempt to kill off Bitcoin as we know it." The Final Solution to Legacy Bitcoin. https://theflippening.github.io/open-letter-to-bitcoin-miners-from-another-miner/ On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 1:

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-11-14 Thread juan
On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:38:27 -0600 Steven Schear wrote: >The Flippening, BTC to BCH so what's your 'libertarian' take on bitmain and their ASICs and patents?

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-11-14 Thread Steven Schear
The Flippening, BTC to BCH The Last Mile Upgraded #BCH #EDA . This time, once the BTC chain come into the orbit, of the death grip, of the Chain Death Spiral, they will not be "rescu

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-11-13 Thread Lee Clagett
Sorry for reviving this old thread. Just noticed I replied directly to Steven instead of the list, there might be something in here people find interesting ... replies inline. On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:26:43 -0700 Steven Schear wrote: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Lee Clagett > wrote: > >

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-09-28 Thread James A. Donald
The coin that will win: Needs to support the zerocoin anonymous spend protocol Needs to support a name system that is, like Bitcoin and Ethereum, resistant to name seizure. Needs to support human readable names, like Namecoin. Needs to be a communication and blogging

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-09-27 Thread grarpamp
The magic number for definite de-adoption of a currency may be somewhere above $7 per tx. This is what it costs to transact in the stock markets. Or above say 10%, perhaps an expected return from the stock markets. Or above the 3% credit card take, or money wire take, or other in/out costs. Or belo

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-09-27 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:36 PM, juan wrote: > bch isn't the first bitcoin clone out there, you know...(or > maybe you don't?) There are lots of forked code "clones" of BTC the *software*, with their own new genesis blocks and empty blockchains, thus starting their mining at their

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-09-20 Thread grarpamp
Roger Ver BitcoinCash BCC dropping truth on Blockstream / Core / BTC... https://www.rogerver.com/slides/Pantera%20March%20%202017.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn8LN0AxzQ4

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-23 Thread Steven Schear
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Lee Clagett wrote: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:18:40 -0500 > Steven Schear wrote: > > > And now some politics... > > > > *Here is why Bitcoin Cash (BCH) Is The Real Bitcoin* > > > > *It is the original bitcoin* > > It was hijacked from Gavin Andresen very surreptiti

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-23 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 06:56:41AM -1100, Mirimir wrote: > On 08/18/2017 05:55 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: > > Currently I recommend to the btc overlords in future forks to keep the > > amount of btc + derivatives fixed, possibly by choose ``old XOR new > > btc''. > > I'm not sure how else a fork c

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-22 Thread Lee Clagett
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:18:40 -0500 Steven Schear wrote: > And now some politics... > > *Here is why Bitcoin Cash (BCH) Is The Real Bitcoin* > > *It is the original bitcoin* > It was hijacked from Gavin Andresen very surreptitiously by Adam Back > (back in the day, Adam and I worked on hashcash

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-19 Thread Steven Schear
Looks like the alt-media are starting to use the "F"-word in regards to Bitcoin Core vs. Bitcoin Cash http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-19/bitcoin-cash-explodes-record-highs-over-900-heres-why On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Steven Schear wrote: > [Disclosure: I am a strong supporter of L1

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 05:04:46PM -0300, Juan wrote: > > A currency can't just be used for gambling and have any lasting > > value. Fees are so high on BTC as preclude any use BUT gambling > > whereas BCCs are back where BTC was 2 years+ ago. Imagine if USD > > could only be used for bank wires an

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 02:05:31PM -0500, Steven Schear wrote: > A snapshot from a few minutes ago. Notice how pricing became a hockey stick > when BCC approached 0.153 BTC. > > [image: Inline image 2] Well done with your reclaim, lads! Exciting show to watch :) That's the Flippening - a certai

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread juan
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 14:40:20 -0500 Steven Schear wrote: > Agreed. Atm its almost all gambling. I'm hoping BTC crashes because L2 > scaling is not tested and ready but L2 8MB blocks seem to be solid. well, I don't know how far development of the lightning network has gone, but the

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread juan
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:40:24 -0500 Steven Schear wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:30 PM, juan wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:29:54 -0500 > > Steven Schear wrote: > > > > > [Disclosure: I am a strong supporter of L1 (Blockchain scaling) > > > occurring before any L2 (e.g., Segwit, Block

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Steven Schear
And now some politics... *Here is why Bitcoin Cash (BCH) Is The Real Bitcoin* *It is the original bitcoin* It was hijacked from Gavin Andresen very surreptitiously by Adam Back (back in the day, Adam and I worked on hashcash and digital cash-related projects) with his Sidechain

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Mirimir
On 08/18/2017 07:52 AM, Steven Schear wrote: > They may be separate but they are not unrelated. There is only so much > mining power and its distribution affects both (actually all) chains. Sure, they're related in that sense. But let's accept that the current BTC/BCC situation is a form of double

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Steven Schear
A snapshot from a few minutes ago. Notice how pricing became a hockey stick when BCC approached 0.153 BTC. [image: Inline image 2] On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steven Schear wrote: > They may be separate but they are not unrelated. There is only so much > mining power and its distribution a

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Steven Schear
They may be separate but they are not unrelated. There is only so much mining power and its distribution affects both (actually all) chains. Speaking of which BCC has reach the price (0.153 BTC), calculated on reddit by Jonathan Vaage, at which mining on BCC (including all costs and rewards) is be

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Steven Schear
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:30 PM, juan wrote: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:29:54 -0500 > Steven Schear wrote: > > > [Disclosure: I am a strong supporter of L1 (Blockchain scaling) > > occurring before any L2 (e.g., Segwit, Blockstream, Lightening > > Network, etc.) is attempted. And even then all L2

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Razer
On 08/18/2017 09:55 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 09:29:54AM -0500, Steven Schear wrote: >> original) and Cash. When the fork happened those holding BTC (in their own >> wallets) were also able to claim an equal amount of BCC (for free). This >> created a huge supply of BCC

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Mirimir
On 08/18/2017 05:55 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 09:29:54AM -0500, Steven Schear wrote: >> original) and Cash. When the fork happened those holding BTC (in their own >> wallets) were also able to claim an equal amount of BCC (for free). This >> created a huge supply of BCC.

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread juan
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:55:10 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 09:29:54AM -0500, Steven Schear wrote: > > original) and Cash. When the fork happened those holding BTC (in > > their own wallets) were also able to claim an equal amount of BCC > > (for free). This created a huge

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread juan
On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:29:54 -0500 Steven Schear wrote: > [Disclosure: I am a strong supporter of L1 (Blockchain scaling) > occurring before any L2 (e.g., Segwit, Blockstream, Lightening > Network, etc.) is attempted. And even then all L2 must be thoroughly > examined not only for technical flaws

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 09:29:54AM -0500, Steven Schear wrote: > original) and Cash. When the fork happened those holding BTC (in their own > wallets) were also able to claim an equal amount of BCC (for free). This > created a huge supply of BCC. However, many or most people rarely keep Isn't this

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Steven Schear
A few of the interesting sites to monitor in real-time BTC/BCC blockchain activities in this space: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/uahf/#8h http://bch.xbt.it/?interval=0 https://cash.coin.dance/blocks (although somewhat delayed form real-time, its "mining profitability" reading is probably a goo

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Mirimir
On 08/18/2017 03:55 AM, Steven Schear wrote: > Right, as long as you either exported your Bitcoin to your own wallet or > your Bitcoin was deposited in an exchange that assured its customers that > they would not claim the BCC themselves but hold it for users, then you are > fine. If, OTOH, your Bi

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Steven Schear
Right, as long as you either exported your Bitcoin to your own wallet or your Bitcoin was deposited in an exchange that assured its customers that they would not claim the BCC themselves but hold it for users, then you are fine. If, OTOH, your Bitcoin was deposited in an exchange that alerted its u

Re: Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Mirimir
On 08/18/2017 03:29 AM, Steven Schear wrote: > Due to the economic and technical nature of Bitcoin and its blockchain its > more than possible that the new fork, widely being called Bitcoin Cash, BCH > or BCC, will overtake its rival fork now commonly called Bitcoin Core. The > effect of this "f

Is a BTC - BCC flippening in the offing?

2017-08-18 Thread Steven Schear
[Disclosure: I am a strong supporter of L1 (Blockchain scaling) occurring before any L2 (e.g., Segwit, Blockstream, Lightening Network, etc.) is attempted. And even then all L2 must be thoroughly examined not only for technical flaws but for possible misuses that affects the value and utility of th