Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Claudia Steimann
I am just reading that book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-empires Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires By Will Black and it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into something evil - also describes the same effects within

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
From: Claudia Steimann I am just reading that book  http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-empiresPsychopathic cultures and toxic empires By Will Blackand it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into

Re: Trump will NEVER turn America into a White nation!

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
The image illustrates collectivism. Not formal government. The deer collectively agreed that route was the easiest path to water, food, antler scratching trees, or whatever. Ps. a town down the road initially put it's streets where the cows walked because cows tend to walk on the most level

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Claudia Steimann wrote: Does anybody here got other must reads on society or politics? > ​Hi, Claudia! <3 Last year, I received great suggestions of bibliography here, books about politics, sci-fi, crypto, and several different themes,

Re: Trump will NEVER turn America into a White nation!

2017-02-02 Thread juan
I'm reposting this quote, perhaps Jim B. has something to say about it. See also attached picture "The question still remains, how comes such a thing as "a nation" to exist? How do millions of men, scattered over an extensive territory --- each

Re: Trump will NEVER turn America into a White nation!

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 19:03:32 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > > >>    "the correct libertarian position is no GOVERNMENT borders."  > > Since the presumption is that we will be getting rid of governments, > things will have to change. Looks like you changed the topic

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:21:58 +0100 Claudia Steimann wrote: > I am just reading that book > http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-empires > Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires > By Will Black > and it describes really good what

Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
Image gleaned from twitter

Re: Trump will NEVER turn America into a White nation!

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 12:15:06 -0800 Razer wrote: > The image illustrates collectivism. Not formal government. so you are free to both think whatever mental vomits you want, and also to promote them huh? > > The deer collectively agreed Sure

Re: How to act in self defense - concealed carry saves the day

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 21:29:20 -0800 Razer wrote: > Missed this > > > > > JB: So why isn't "fascism" merely seen as being another form of > > "Socialism"? > > Fascism is National Socialism. That's the only thing rayzer got one third right. Funnily enough,

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:00 PM, jim bell wrote: > > > I always liked Orwell's 1984 and "Animal Farm." And Atlas Shrugged. > ​Wow, I didn't know there is a very recent movie about "Who is John Galt?" !! :D https://www.atlasshruggedmovie.com The book "Atlas Shrugged"

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/02/2017 01:21 PM, Claudia Steimann wrote: > I am just reading that book > http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and- toxic-empires > > Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires > By Will Black and it describes really

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Joshua Case
Dear rzor, The only moderate thing about me is my annoyance with hypocrisy on the leftern front. Antifa disruption is basically aligned with my sentiment - but violence outside of defense doesn't work for me. I'm ok with burning property, vandalism is sensual, but violence meretricious. We

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 14:47:49 -0800 Razer wrote: > "Free speech means you have legal right to expression; not entitlement > to huge public platform or to be a racist in public w/o being > punched." LMAO at the sick piece of shit being quoted and the sick piece of

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Mark Steward
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 11:34 PM, jim bell wrote: > > "Undocumented" makes it sound like these people just left their driver's > licenses back in Mexico. > > Jim Bell > > > > Fuck off jim.

In Defence of Assaulting Fascists

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
> “Only one thing could have stopped us – if our adversaries had > understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the > utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.” – Adolf Hitler > "The most effective prophylactic against any infection is to deny it > its conditions of

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Joshua Case
Moreover this is what I just said, and you took issue with - when this person says it it's getting something right? Maybe you're just being a dick because you like the attention. > A prog-Lib, Murtaza Hussain from The Intercept, FINALLY gets something right > > "Free speech means you have

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 03:47 PM, juan wrote: > a wild dangerous animal. Thank you!

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Joshua Case
Jim- come on It's only confusing or vague if you're pretending to be in a court. I know you did your time in the system, as did I, but out here you don't have to defend your opinion from statute. -Joshua > On Feb 2, 2017, at 6:47 PM, juan wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
I will add:    http://www.firstamendmentschools.org/freedoms/faq.aspx?id=12993  May schools limit the time, place, and manner of student expression?Yes, as long as the time, place, and manner regulations are reasonable and nondiscriminatory.The U.S. Supreme Court has said that "laws regulating

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
From: Joshua Case Paper Chase - Leave thinking like a lawyer | | | | || | | | || Paper Chase - Leave thinking like a lawyer In Paper Chase, Kingsfield tells his students, "You come into here with a skull full off mush and leave thi... |

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
I'm not young I thought violence sucked when I was young, but have grown quite fond of it's potential as I age and you still have a comprehension problem. Fascists have no rights because they regard you as having no rights. To offer the right to exist to someone who thinks you have no right to

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 03:26 PM, Joshua Case wrote: > Have to know I'm doing the proper kind of thinking if libertarian and > antifa people are taking exception with my thoughts. Razor finds me > idiotic because I think violence as a matter policy is the same as the > crap he wants to fight, but what

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Joshua Case
More to the point he was seeking right to assembly, it wasn't his speech that was suppressed. His views are well know, his sentiment registers broadly. He was denied assembly. Seems reasonable. > On Feb 2, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Razer wrote: > > > Image gleaned from twitter > >

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
Since the rules (the laws) cover the usage by people of what you call "communistically shared space", then it appears that Milo Y (and the people who want to listen to what he has to say) have a right to the benefit of such laws, too.  Property and a location which is offered to one person, has

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
If you are claiming that it is okay for an agent of the State of California (University of California at Berkeley is such an agent) to discriminatorally deny a person the right to use a venue which is regularly offered to others, discrimination which is on the basis of the content of that

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Joshua Case
I'm paying attention, just not to rural simply list if tripe like that. Some people hold views that are not the same as yours. Unilateral selection of policy by a vocal or violent minority is a) our status quo- what got us into this mess in the first place b) stupid and destined to fail for

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
His planned talk was intended to incite violence against so-called "undocumented" students, as stated on his own website. Hate Speech isn't protected by any constitutional provision or amendment and it's a federal crime to cross state lines to incite violence. Go fish for some other bullshit

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
How about quote the specific language which you claim "was intended to incite violence".  Or, at least, cite it with sufficient specificity so that we know what you are talking about.  So far, we don't.  Cite the website, show the text. Also, you said, " Hate Speech isn't protected by any

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 02:33 PM, Joshua Case wrote: > More to the point he was seeking right to assembly, it wasn't his speech that > was suppressed. His views are well know, his sentiment registers broadly. He > was denied assembly. Seems reasonable. You aren't paying attention... "Fascists get no

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 03:04 PM, Joshua Case wrote: > I'm paying attention, just not to rural simply list if tripe like > that. Some people hold views that are not the same as yours. > Unilateral selection of policy by a vocal or violent minority is a) > our status quo- what got us into this mess in the

Re: In Defence of Assaulting Fascists

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 15:06:45 -0800 Razer wrote: > > Which is why I believe in violence against fascists. time to kill yourself then

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Joshua Case
Have to know I'm doing the proper kind of thinking if libertarian and antifa people are taking exception with my thoughts. Razor finds me idiotic because I think violence as a matter policy is the same as the crap he wants to fight, but what good is a rayz3r that does no cutting? Jim thinks I'm

Re: How to act in self defense - concealed carry saves the day

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
From: James A. Donald On 2/3/2017 2:14 AM, Razer wrote: >> Right. Nazis have no right to be espousing the extermination of people >> because of ethnic or other fate-of-birth traits alone. >But none of the people you are calling nazis and beating up have espoused the

Re: How to act in self defense - concealed carry saves the day

2017-02-02 Thread James A. Donald
On 2/3/2017 2:14 AM, Razer wrote: Right. Nazis have no right to be espousing the extermination of people because of ethnic or other fate-of-birth traits alone. But none of the people you are calling nazis and beating up have espoused the extermination of ethnic groups. Rather you equate

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:08 AM, swalow swalow wrote: > Hello, > ​Hi, Hi! Hello, Hello! :D ​ > I've been lurking around this maillist for a long time but I haven't > really contributed with anything. I really like the discussions, arguments, > recommendations of the group.

Re: UC Berkeley "home of the Free Speech Movement", riots and Uni support to stop public talk

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 01:52:22 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Z Zzzz wrote: > > > > > A bunch of "Razer"s friends here evidently > > ​ ​ > > > > ​At least he has friends... And you... well... rayzer has friends? You

Re: UC Berkeley "home of the Free Speech Movement", riots and Uni support to stop public talk

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:57 AM, ju@n wrote: > On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 01:52:22 -0200 > Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Z Zzzz wrote: > > > > > > > > A bunch of "Razer"s friends here evidently > > > ​ ​ > > > > > > > ​At least he has friends... And you... well...

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > It's not a "read" per se, but the lessons taught from it are no less > powerful: the anime series Nobunaga the Fool. There was a manga made > from it as well, if you really prefer paper (though it might differ from >

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 02:36:52 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > > Two little boys completely lost, poor, with no family, really > disappointed with all the corruption, with all the injustices, decide > to sacrifice their personal lives to change the world. They make a >

Re: In Defence of Assaulting Fascists

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 07:55 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 02/02/2017 09:46 PM, #$%& #$%: >> I have a better idea. Why don't you get lost. You are pretty >> much the same kind of worthless, cowardly americunt scumbag >> thar your coworker rayzer is. > For the record, I do not work for

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
Milo Yiannopoulos planned to publicly name allegedly undocumented students at UC Berkeley, endangering them. Debate over. Shutting him down was legal and necessary and UC should have done it but they were probably unaware of his intent. So locals and students did it. Here's a good example of

How you know Rayzer is a Fascist

2017-02-02 Thread Griffin Boyce
A CNN article headlined: “Milo Yiannopoulos is trying to convince colleges that hate speech is cool.” Parroted by some newsfag: "ICYMI this guy was going to Berkeley to target undocumented students, not engage in some kind of Socratic dialogue" "Liberals crying out to defend this guys ability

Re: In Defence of Assaulting Fascists

2017-02-02 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 02/02/2017 05:12 PM, #$%& wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 15:06:45 -0800 > Razer wrote: > > >> >> Which is why I believe in violence against fascists. > > time to kill yourself then I have a better idea. Why don't you take your bullying self back to 4chan where it

Re: In Defence of Assaulting Fascists

2017-02-02 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 02/02/2017 09:46 PM, #$%& #$%: > I have a better idea. Why don't you get lost. You are pretty > much the same kind of worthless, cowardly americunt scumbag > thar your coworker rayzer is. For the record, I do not work for the same company that Rayzer does, and I have never

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 04:15 PM, Mark Steward wrote: > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 11:34 PM, jim bell > wrote: > >> >> "Undocumented" makes it sound like these people just left their >> driver's licenses back in Mexico. >> >> Jim Bell

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 03:11:28PM -0800, Razer wrote: > On 02/02/2017 03:04 PM, Joshua Case wrote: > > > I'm paying attention, just not to rural simply list if tripe like > > that. Some people hold views that are not the same as yours. > > Unilateral selection of policy by a vocal or violent

Re: UC Berkeley "home of the Free Speech Movement", riots and Uni support to stop public talk

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 07:57 PM, juan wrote: > rayzer has friends? You mean accomplices. What's with all the compliments Juan? Are you losing it? Rr

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 10:21 AM, Claudia Steimann wrote: > I am just reading that book > http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23809961-psychopathic-cultures-and-toxic-empires > Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires > By Will Black > and it describes really good what turns states like Turkey or US into

Hackers Disable Door Locks at Four-Star Hotel, Demand/Get Bitcoin Ransom

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
> "We are planning at the next room refurbishment for old-fashioned door > locks with real keys," he said. "Just like 111 years ago at the time > of our great-grandfathers." > Hackers Disable Door Locks at Four-Star Hotel, Demand Ransom The hackers demanded 2 Bitcoins in payment to return

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:44 AM, juan wrote: > > got it I think > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_%28manga%29 ​Hmm, I think I read a kind of more recent (after 2000) lecture of this story, dear. Very similar, but not the same plot and the same

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread jim bell
No, they can't.  And don't call me Shirley!!!                 Jim Bell From: Razer To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant That's right. Schools have BROAD

Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Griffin Boyce
The best source for radical propoganda is CNN, Fox, and NBC. I am sure they are already on list. Lol. > > > Claudia Steimann claudia.steimann at me.com > Thu Feb 2 10:21:58 PST 2017: > I am just reading that book 'Psychopathic cultures and toxic empires' > By Will Black and it describes really

Re: In Defence of Assaulting Fascists

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 21:28:21 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: > On 02/02/2017 05:12 PM, #$%& wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 15:06:45 -0800 > > Razer wrote: > > > > > >> > >> Which is why I believe in violence against fascists. > > > > time to kill

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

2017-02-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 01:30:24PM -0800, Razer wrote: > Image gleaned from twitter Could be a little more concise, but a reasonably eloquent response nonetheless: The Night Berkeley Betrayed The Free Speech Movement

Re: How you know Rayzer is a Fascist

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Please, @abditum, stop using Boyce's name. Don't use it, in special when saying foolishnesses on this list, please.

Re: How you know Rayzer is a Fascist

2017-02-02 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 02/02/2017 09:07 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Griffin Boyce >wrote: > > Please, @abditum, stop using Boyce's name. Don't use it, in special > when saying foolishnesses on this list, please. There's so

Re: UC Berkeley "home of the Free Speech Movement", riots and Uni support to stop public talk

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Z Zzzz wrote: > > A bunch of "Razer"s friends here evidently > ​ ​ > ​At least he has friends... And you... well... ;) cri cri cri cri...

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:59 AM, juan wrote: > > > Sounds pretty interesting. I didn't understand if it's a > text-only book or a manga though? Knowing the title would be nice > too =P > ​It's a manga. You know I love comics. :) You also know I have a weak

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread juan
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 03:25:59 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > > ​It's a manga. You know I love comics. :) > got it I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_%28manga%29 > > ​I am sure you would like the heavy social and political

Re: How you know Rayzer is a Fascist

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 07:19 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 02/02/2017 09:07 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Griffin Boyce > >wrote: >> >> Please, @abditum, stop using Boyce's name. Don't use it, in special >> when

Re: In Defence of Assaulting Fascists

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:28 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 02/02/2017 05:12 PM, #$%& wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 15:06:45 -0800 > > Razer wrote: > > > >> Which is why I believe in violence against fascists. > > > > time to kill yourself then > > I

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > It's not a "read" per se, but the lessons taught from it are no less > powerful: the anime series Nobunaga the Fool. There was a manga made > from it as well, if you really prefer paper (though it might differ from >

Re: How to act in self defense - concealed carry saves the day

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/01/2017 11:20 PM, jim bell wrote: > > > *From:* Razer > On 02/01/2017 08:34 PM, jim bell wrote: >> *From:*Razer >> James A. Donald asked a stupid question: > >>You're right. I listened to my German Jewish elders who survived I >

Re: Literature

2017-02-02 Thread swalow swalow
Hello, I've been lurking around this maillist for a long time but I haven't really contributed with anything. I really like the discussions, arguments, recommendations of the group. Very thought provoking. I'm looking forward to participating a lot more in the conversations :) If not the same,

Re: How to act in self defense - concealed carry saves the day

2017-02-02 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/02/2017 12:30 PM, Joshua Case wrote: > “fascism” from wikipedia - come on, there’s enough history and > stuff here where we don’t need private definitions of the terms, > you can actually even go read “the Doctrine Of Fascism: written > when

UC Berkeley "home of the Free Speech Movement", riots and Uni support to stop public talk

2017-02-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Yes, a talk by Milo, so some would say "no loss there", but the hypocrisy of the Left screaming to put a stop to public talks is, amazing to watch. A bunch of "Razer"s friends here evidently: UC Berkeley Administration Shares Blame for Anti-Free Speech Riot

Re: How to act in self defense - concealed carry saves the day

2017-02-02 Thread Razer
On 02/02/2017 09:30 AM, Joshua Case wrote: > Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national > syndicalists who drew upon left-wing and right-wing political views. Just goes to show how unreliable Wikipedia is. An old Italian on the subject.