Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 00:20:43 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: >> >> Hm. That may be a good point. I didn't assume a big 'democratic' >> majority was needed, but I was still thinking of some sizable percentage. >> But maybe 1% would be enough - or even less. > Remember the statistic I like to use: The Federal governemnt collects 3 > trillion dollars in taxes per year. If those taxpayers pay an additional 1% > of that value, or $30 billion, in money towards and AP fund, and if the > average cost per death is $100,000, then that's 300,000 deaths per year. Yep, if a relatively big number of people make small contributions, lots of funds can be raised. Arguably an AP protocol would make that sort of cooperation easier/more effective. > > > Say, 1% of the adult population of the US is ~2 million people. If 2 > >million people decide to act in a coordinated fashion against the govt they > >may force the govt to leave them alone. > > Another statistic: > https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2015-update/ > "The top 1 percent (1.3 million filers) paid a greater share of income taxes > (37.8 percent) than the bottom 90 percent (124.5 million filers) combined > (30.2 percent)." > > Some fraction of those 1% get their money due to the existence and operation > of the Federal government, but many do not. I think many of them resent the > amount of money they are paying to maintain an inefficient government. I'm pretty sure that the richer people are, the more conservative and supportive of the totalitarian status quo they become. As a matter of fact there quite a few obscenely rich people, some of them even pretend to be 'libertarians' but in practice they work for the NSA. Regardless, AP may work if funded by poor libertarians (not rich corporatists) > > >> I'm not aware that there is a "critical mass" for people supporting AP. > >> Do you have a different figure than my "1%"? > > > I don't. So I guess what I should say is : there's no critical mass of > >libertarians doing anything meaningful, but if there was, then AP may be a > >good & efficient tool. > > I've always thought so, but then again I'm not an unbiased observer! Heh =P > > > > > Notice that the few libertarians who do act against the govt end up in > jail like Ulbrichtor you. > > It is unfortunate that Ulbricht could not incorporate an AP-type protection > system into Silk Road. These dark markets tend to be purely defensive, > employing rather good secrecy. Why not dedicate 1% of their gross market > into a fund to kill anyone who attacks them? That would be fun. And it could either work, or backfire and make them a higher priority target... > > > > To be fair, european and asian governments (like say japan and korea) are > accomplices of the US govt, play the same imperial games and are guilty as > well, so you won't find many anarchists among their subjects either. > It wouldn't take many! Perhaps. We'll have to wait and see... > × > >
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
On 11/08/2018 04:34, juan wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:26:54 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote: Notwithstanding Peterson's failings (he's a human, he certainly is not perfect, but who is?), his message (if it can be so reduced), evidenced by his popularity, is apparently (and I believe so) relevant to the zeitgeist of today, of course it is, peterson is a christian right-wing fascist so his fascist 'message' is no doubt at the 'foundation' of western 'civilization' Jordan Peterson is not a Christian, and his message is far to the left of 2008 Obama, and farther to the left of each president. Each president has been far to the left of each previous president, and even Trum, though right of 2012 Obama, and far to the right of the last days of the Obama presidency, is far to the left of 2008 Obama
Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On 08/09/2018 08:42 PM, juan wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not very useful. >>> >>> not useful for what? >> >> Huh? Are you retarded? Sure, you and your friends can setup some super >> duper mix network, but it won't do you any fucking good. Because, you >> know, you're the only people using it. And once an adversary gets >> access, you're totally screwed. > > Sure, but now you jumped to something else. What about keeping track of > the topic at hand? > > Topic : there are no secure mix networks because people (stupidly) use > more 'convenient' stuff. And while the faster, less secure stuff does have > its use cases, so do the other systems. > > So what's retarded here is your line of thinking "there are no better > options cause they are not useful' Sure, there are better options. But they're not currently implemented at useful scale. How can you use a mix network that exists only as an academic paper, and perhaps some tens of people testing it? >> And unless you actually >> mobilize some support and participation for whatever you want. I haven't >> heard much of that from you. > > > It should be self evident that explaining that tor is mostly useful to > watch jewtube has the implicit goal of 'mobilizing support' for better > alternatives. > > also notice that I am not an agent of the US military, but an > independent individual from a banana republic - so my resources to 'mobilize > support' are somewhat limited. OK, that helps maybe a little. But you've been online for many years, and I'm sure that you have friends and associates. So organize some cutting-edge mix network. Maybe Riffle, developed by Young Hyun Kwon.[1] Or whatever you think better. And damn, I'll even help, if you like :) 1) https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/99859/927718269-MIT.pdf?sequence=1 >>> oh, that's nice =) (just in the highly unlikely case that you are >>> trying to mock me, bear in mind that the joke is on you =) ). >> >> No mocking involved. I do agree. And you know, I really don't love those >> Americunt fascists either. Even though I'm living there now. > > > And yet you seem to be very uncritical of a flagship project of the US > military like tor. Maybe to you I seem insufficiently critical. But maybe ask Tor devs ;) But not Freenet! That shit is ~20 years out of date. More below. >>> >>> Keep trolling. So decentralized storage is 20 years out of date whereas >>> using php to serve files behind a low quality proxy is the 'technology' of >>> the next americunt century. >> >> No, Freenet is 20 years out of date. Because it makes _no_ attempt to >> obscure IP addresses of peers. As far as I know, there is no protocol >> for decentralized storage that does obscure IP addresses of peers. > > uh, so everything is 20 years out of date? > >> And so you need to use some overlay network. Such as VPNs and/or Tor. > > OK. So if you add a proxy before freenet then freenet is better than > php in a centralized webserver? Almost certainly, because it's distributed. But in my experience, the Freenet community doesn't like people using proxies. >> Or in this case, I2P. > > From what I've seen of i2p content(or complete lack of it) it's a lot > worse than tor. Which is saying a lot... That's because I2P has very few clearnet exits, so all you see is stuff hosted on I2P. One of the major Russian marketplaces is (or was) on I2P. Also lots of porn and CP, predictably. >> Because there's no need to reach clearnet stuff. >> However, I2P also has its issues. It's a lot smaller than Tor. And every >> participant must be a router, analogous to a Tor relay. Which means that >> participants attract more attention, and may get their IPs blacklisted. > > > That's how a decentralized network works? If you are a peer you may > attract attention. Not sure what kind of 'workaround' can be for that. If you > use an 'overlay' then you will 'attract attention' for using an overlay, etc. What's nice about Tor is that relay operators attract the most attention. And it's my impression that they're generally not up to any iffy shit. Or at least, they shouldn't be, if they're smart. So people up to iffy shit just run clients. And that doesn't attract as much attention. Especially if they use bridges that aren't published. Or create their own bridge, on some random VPS. >> For decentralized storage generally, I like IPFS. >> For example, a year or >> two ago I put "Fast Data Transfer via Tor" on IPFS.[0] And even though >> I'm not currently running any IPFS nodes, it's still there. Because >> enough people pinned it. If I hadn't disclosed that, it would be >> nontrivial for adversaries to link it to me. >> >> 0) https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmUDV2KHrAgs84oUc7z9zQmZ3whx1NB6YDPv8ZRuf4dutN/ > > >
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
Microsoft now piling onto the anti-semitic speech wagon: Apparently Gab is centralised and currently runs on Microfascist's cloud service or something... evidently a decentralised service is needed. Golden opportunity for the inspired... (BTW, ridiculously humorous Heather Heyer memes and comments elided to ensure this email does not get censored...) Microsoft Threatens to Shut Down GAB Unless They Censor Anti-Jew Posts Adrian Sol Daily Stormer August 10, 2018 https://dailystormer.name/microsoft-threatens-to-shut-down-gab-unless-they-censor-anti-jew-posts/ … > Microsoft pointed to two posts from Gab user Patrick Little, one > that calls for the “complete eradication of all Jews” and the > other which calls for their death by torture: “After an initial > review, we have concluded that this content incites violence, is > not protected by the First Amendment, and violates Microsoft > Azure’s acceptable use policy,” a Microsoft spokesperson told > Motherboard. “Microsoft notified Gab.ai of this substantial > concern and advised that it remove this content or respond to > Microsoft within 48 hours, or potentially risk suspension of its > service on Azure.” That, of course, is bullshit. The First Amendment absolutely protects calls for violence, as long as no “specific and credible threat” is involved. Simply calling for the destruction of a race, even by torture, is protected speech. Nevertheless, the two tweets (“gabs”) in question have already been removed by GAB. …
the state of "free" speech in America - Professor Gets Probation For Bludgeoning Conservatives With Bike Lock
Professor Gets Probation For Bludgeoning Conservatives With Bike Lock https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-10/professor-gets-probation-bludgeoning-conservatices-bike-lock and Democracy ... it's not gone, fact is you never had it (no -where- have I heard -that- one before - surely not from Juan? :) Alexis de Tocqueville Was Wrong https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-10/alexis-de-tocqueville-was-wrong From inception, democracy in America was pure fantasy. No rule of the people ever existed – governance of, by, and for the privileged few alone at the expense of most others. … On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 09:42:13AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Microsoft now piling onto the anti-semitic speech wagon: > > Apparently Gab is centralised and currently runs on Microfascist's > cloud service or something... evidently a decentralised service is > needed. Golden opportunity for the inspired... > > (BTW, ridiculously humorous Heather Heyer memes and comments elided > to ensure this email does not get censored...) > > > Microsoft Threatens to Shut Down GAB Unless They > Censor Anti-Jew Posts > Adrian Sol > Daily Stormer > August 10, 2018 > https://dailystormer.name/microsoft-threatens-to-shut-down-gab-unless-they-censor-anti-jew-posts/ > > … > > Microsoft pointed to two posts from Gab user Patrick Little, one > > that calls for the “complete eradication of all Jews” and the > > other which calls for their death by torture: “After an initial > > review, we have concluded that this content incites violence, is > > not protected by the First Amendment, and violates Microsoft > > Azure’s acceptable use policy,” a Microsoft spokesperson told > > Motherboard. “Microsoft notified Gab.ai of this substantial > > concern and advised that it remove this content or respond to > > Microsoft within 48 hours, or potentially risk suspension of its > > service on Azure.” > > That, of course, is bullshit. > > The First Amendment absolutely protects calls for violence, as > long as no “specific and credible threat” is involved. Simply > calling for the destruction of a race, even by torture, is > protected speech. > > Nevertheless, the two tweets (“gabs”) in question have already been > removed by GAB. > … > >
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 13:33:21 +0800 jam...@echeque.com wrote: > >> On 11/08/2018 04:34, juan wrote: > > > > of course it is, peterson is a christian right-wing fascist so > > > > his fascist 'message' is no doubt at the 'foundation' of western > > > > 'civilization' > > > > Jordan Peterson is not a Christian, > > > peterson is a fuckign 'atheist' christian. > > Nuts. yes he is nuts. I think he's a similar nut-case to the ayn randroid cunt. Both these fine 'philosophers' base(d) their systems on a mix of right-wing bullshit and psychobabble. > > > > and his message is far to the left > > > of 2008 Obama, and farther to the left of each president. > > On 11/08/2018 06:20, juan wrote: > > you'll have to first define 'left' and then give some example of > > peterson being a lefty. > > Leftism is knocking over the apple cart to grab some apples. Oh OK. Given such accurate definition, I guess you have evidence of peterson knocking over many apple carts? I mean, literally knocking over apple carts? > I don't > see Peterson calling out black, female, or gay misbehavior, misbehavior > that would have been intolerable ten years ago, and unthinkable twenty > years ago. Well I guess you could argue that peterson is to YOUR left since he isn't an explicit white supremacist... >
Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
On 08/10/2018 09:22 PM, juan wrote: > > half of americans are right wing fascists and so pro trump, while the > other half are left wing fascists so pro obomba. Which tells you that trump > is a as evil as obomba or any other psycho at the top of the US govt. > In what way are americans whom voted for Trump fascists? What has Trump done that is bad? I really am curious. Thank you for your input.
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
On Friday, August 10, 2018, 4:42:51 PM PDT, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Microsoft Threatens to Shut Down GAB Unless They Censor Anti-Jew Posts Adrian Sol Daily Stormer August 10, 2018 https://dailystormer.name/microsoft-threatens-to-shut-down-gab-unless-they-censor-anti-jew-posts/ … > Microsoft pointed to two posts from Gab user Patrick Little, one > that calls for the “complete eradication of all Jews” and the > other which calls for their death by torture: “After an initial > review, we have concluded that this content incites violence, is > not protected by the First Amendment, and violates Microsoft > Azure’s acceptable use policy,” a Microsoft spokesperson told > Motherboard. “Microsoft notified Gab.ai of this substantial > concern and advised that it remove this content or respond to > Microsoft within 48 hours, or potentially risk suspension of its > service on Azure.” >That, of course, is bullshit. >The First Amendment absolutely protects calls for violence, as long as no “specific and credible threat” is involved. Simply calling for the destruction of a race, even by torture, is protected speech. You are correct. The controlling case is Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969. Although, since I no longer have access to a LEXIS computer system, I cannot Shepardize (modern equivalent: Text search) this case in the various appeals Circuits to see how they have further interpreted it. Jim Bell …
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
On 11/08/2018 04:34, juan wrote: > > of course it is, peterson is a christian right-wing fascist so his fascist 'message' is no doubt at the 'foundation' of western 'civilization' > Jordan Peterson is not a Christian, peterson is a fuckign 'atheist' christian. Nuts. > and his message is far to the left > of 2008 Obama, and farther to the left of each president. On 11/08/2018 06:20, juan wrote: you'll have to first define 'left' and then give some example of peterson being a lefty. Leftism is knocking over the apple cart to grab some apples. I don't see Peterson calling out black, female, or gay misbehavior, misbehavior that would have been intolerable ten years ago, and unthinkable twenty years ago.
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:26:54 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Notwithstanding Peterson's failings (he's a human, he certainly is > not perfect, but who is?), his message (if it can be so reduced), > evidenced by his popularity, is apparently (and I believe so) > relevant to the zeitgeist of today, of course it is, peterson is a christian right-wing fascist so his fascist 'message' is no doubt at the 'foundation' of western 'civilization'
Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 02:15:03 + CANNON wrote: > > As for the recent censorship in the USA. It is the same media that > is waging war against Trump, that is also silencing InfoWars. is it? I don't think facebook google apple twitter and the like waged any 'war' against trump - that's why he got elected. And I doubt they are doing it now. More like, facebook google apple and co. are the 'private' arm of the NSA so they are trump's number one ally. > And > Trump is really not a bad evil person of course he is. > like the controlled > mainstream American media is trying to frame him up as. The > controlled propaganda machine is trying to falsely make it seem > that most Americans are anti-Trump (not true), half of americans are right wing fascists and so pro trump, while the other half are left wing fascists so pro obomba. Which tells you that trump is a as evil as obomba or any other psycho at the top of the US govt. > and that Trump > is racist of course he's racist like a vast majority of white americans > or a Russian spy, not a russian spy, that's the sort of nonsense that 'liberals' believe. But trump is more loyal to putin or any other govt than to his own subjects. That's how government works. > or a horrible person (none of which > are true either). of course anybody with any degree of political power is a horrible person. > > America is so divided right now, and is split between two groups > of people at the moment. This terminology that describes these two > sides might have different definitions in other regions and times, > but here in 2018 in the USA, the descriptions are as follows. > > Conservative: conservatives are the defenders of the status quo - historically they are advocates of monarchy and theocracy, i. e. totalitarianism. > The kind of ideologies that originally built this > nation as reflected in the constitution. you mean people like jefferson and washington who carried a coup against england to 'found' a slave society. > That of individual > liberties, free-market system, that's just empty libertarian rhetoric. In practice conservative are the opposite of what they pretend to preach. > confined government kept within > due bounds. Most conservatives seem to also be religious yep, that's the only thing you got right. Conservatives are theocratic scum. > and > have a system of moral code immoral code. > (as in non-secular) not reliant on > government. wrong. it's reliant on jew-kristian theocracy - you may need to learn that theocracy is a specially toxic form of government. > Non secular (by choice) societies are often better > self-governed and self reliant without big government, because > they strive to live by moral codes. This is another reason why > alot of the people whom layed the foundation of the USA were also > reverent people. Hence the motto "In God We Trust". OK - every word you write is fascist propaganda so the above explanations should be enough for now. > > The other side is the Socialist side: you don't know what socialism means. Hint : anything the governmetn does is socialism. So now go back and look at all the governmetn programs you conservatives support. Every one of them is a socialistic program. > They often refer to themsevles as "liberal" or "the left", > but not liberal as in more individual freedom, but more liberal as in secular. not sure what your problem with secularism is, but yeah you are right in that 'liberals' are against individual freedom, exaclty like conservatives (aka right wingers). > Liberal as in liberty from moral code. They place their trust more-so in > government > than in God. so they are not theocratic, anti libertarianr lunatic, they are secular anti libertarians. Not too much of a meaningful difference. > As a result they cannot self govern like religious or > conservative side. OK - you should go preach to the fuckin church. By the way, do you know what's the basis for your 'religion'? It's wholly based on child abuse. The only way for people to become christian scum is by being mentally raped by their parents and 'taught' about 'jesus'.
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 06:02:17 +0800 jam...@echeque.com wrote: > On 11/08/2018 04:34, juan wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:26:54 +1000 > > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > > >> Notwithstanding Peterson's failings (he's a human, he certainly is > >> not perfect, but who is?), his message (if it can be so reduced), > >> evidenced by his popularity, is apparently (and I believe so) > >> relevant to the zeitgeist of today, > > > > > > of course it is, peterson is a christian right-wing fascist so his > > fascist 'message' is no doubt at the 'foundation' of western 'civilization' > > Jordan Peterson is not a Christian, peterson is a fuckign 'atheist' christian. I take it you never listened to his ramblings. > and his message is far to the left > of 2008 Obama, and farther to the left of each president. you'll have to first define 'left' and then give some example of peterson being a lefty. Again, it seems clear you never listened to peterson's lunatic ramblings composed of 'christian stories' 'IQ science' and robotic praise for the 'democratic' 'free market' west. > > Each president has been far to the left of each previous president, and > even Trum, though right of 2012 Obama, and far to the right of the last > days of the Obama presidency, is far to the left of 2008 Obama your usage of left and right is meaningless
Re: “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization.” - Dr Peterson
Why is free speech so important, foundational in fact? According to Peterson “it's the thing that keeps the temperamental types from being at each other's throats”. Documentary - A Glitch in the Matrix (David Fuller production) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCTeGKHsVc (He did an earlier one too, just before the Cathy Newman interview, which has some good material also: Truth in the Time of Chaos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjqXXengN1s Notwithstanding Peterson's failings (he's a human, he certainly is not perfect, but who is?), his message (if it can be so reduced), evidenced by his popularity, is apparently (and I believe so) relevant to the zeitgeist of today, in a very "let's avoid a 20th Century style catastrophie" kind of way - do we really want to empower another Stalin or Pol Pot? Good luck fellow pepes, On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 12:09:18PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 04:27:32PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > “Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western > > civilization.” > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695 > > Toronto professor Jordan Peterson takes on gender-neutral pronouns > > By Jessica Murphy BBC News, Toronto, 4 November 2016 > > > Peterson speaks so clearly that just about anyone with the capacity > to listen ought be able to hear. > > Free speech is one of the 4 or 5 fundamental, essential, foundational > liberties, and one can find it difficult to put forth a compelling > position to those presently entrenched in their hate speech. > > Peterson does so readily, and clearly - in the following from about > 52:00. > > Enjoy, > > > > Jordan Peterson _ Full Address and Q _ Oxford Union > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMIbo_DxJk >
Re: InfoWars makes it's move!
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 09:40:53AM -0700, Razer wrote: > Breaking: InfoWars Moves To Ban Alex Jones > AUSTIN, TX—Saying that it was a long-overdue step given the radio show host’s > history of offensive and dangerous rhetoric, InfoWars reportedly moved > Thursday to ban right wing provocateur Alex Jones from its platform. > “Mr. Jones has repeatedly violated our policies against hate speech and > misinformation, and so we have had no choice but to terminate our > relationship with him,” read a statement from InfoWars editor Paul Joseph > Watson, citing a litany of abuses committed by the radio host and conspiracy > theorist, including harassment of minorities, trans individuals, and the > parents of the Sandy Hook victims. > “Of course, InfoWars remains committed to free speech, but that does not > include repeatedly spreading vicious lies about private individuals. It would > be unacceptable, and frankly cowardly, for us to hide behind the First > Amendment as this man continues doing real harm. That is why, from today > forward, all four of Mr. Jones’s shows will be deleted, and every mention of > him will be completely scrubbed from the site.” > Watson added that their platform would continue to publish the high-quality > reporting on globalism, creeping Sharia, and Deep State false-flag operations > that their users had come to expect. > https://www.theonion.com/infowars-moves-to-ban-alex-jones-1828222135 Yeah, that's funny :) Some might find this sort of funny - it's a bit too "professionally produced" to be really funny, but anyway... https://www.infowars.com/video-watch-what-happened-when-alex-jones-found-out-he-was-censored/ 'tube direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCaBO0fagSU
