Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Mirimir
On 12/18/2019 12:14 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>>>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>>
>> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
>
> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?

 If you wanted to be a horse, why not?
>>>
>>> Maybe because I'd still be 90% human
>>>
 At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.
>>>
>>> No, why would you assume so?  Do you think cutting off your penis
>>> makes you a woman, too?  Just what kind of bullshit will you be
>>> willing to turn away from?  When does it stop for you?
>>
>> Me, I'm happy as I am. As long as I get my testosterone and modafinil,
>> anyway.
> 
> So you're not happy without augmentation?

No, I'm not. I'm old, and my body no longer makes enough testosterone to
keep me healthy. And the modafinil definitely makes me happier. I mean,
the bloody Air Force uses it, and they arguably know what they're doing.

>> But why should whatever you or I think or want matter for anyone else?
> 
> Very simply:  the choices of ONE person eventually and INEVITABLY
> affect SOMEONE ELSE.  Have you thought about this much?

No, I don't worry too much about it. People ought to mind their own
business, unless I invite them into mine. And if they don't otherwise
stay out of my business, I'm free to defend myself.

>> And about the penis thing. As I understand it, they basically invert and
>> expand the penis. So the glans becomes the clitoris, and the interior
>> becomes the vagina. It's a crude hack, for sure. But it is more or less
>> consistent with developmental homology.
> 
> HA, why would that make you a woman?  Do you think a woman is defined
> by her vagina?  You are the one who insults people.

That's ridiculous. Gender is no more one dimensional -- male vs female
-- than political ideology is. And even if it were, we're developing
technology that makes all of that irrelevant.

> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.

 I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.
>>>
>>> No clue?  How about mental illness?  If you want any-dimensional
>>> "spectra", then there is no such thing as mental illness either,
>>> right?
>>
>> Those aren't arguments, just insults.
> 
> Not quite "just".  They are based on a the medical professions best
> opinion, albeit from the 1980s.  You suppose the science for gender
> changed much since then?

I'm sure that it's changed a lot. If it hadn't, they'd all be bloody
idiots, no?

And anyway, the topic there was Left vs Right, not Male vs Female.

>>> Have you ever tested your philosophy on anyone older than high school?
> 
> I think not, but I meant with a *maturity* of someone older than high
> school, sorry.

Whatever dude.

> \0xD
> 


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread \0xDynamite
>>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>
> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.

 HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
 make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?
>>>
>>> If you wanted to be a horse, why not?
>>
>> Maybe because I'd still be 90% human
>>
>>> At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.
>>
>> No, why would you assume so?  Do you think cutting off your penis
>> makes you a woman, too?  Just what kind of bullshit will you be
>> willing to turn away from?  When does it stop for you?
>
> Me, I'm happy as I am. As long as I get my testosterone and modafinil,
> anyway.

So you're not happy without augmentation?

> But why should whatever you or I think or want matter for anyone else?

Very simply:  the choices of ONE person eventually and INEVITABLY
affect SOMEONE ELSE.  Have you thought about this much?

> And about the penis thing. As I understand it, they basically invert and
> expand the penis. So the glans becomes the clitoris, and the interior
> becomes the vagina. It's a crude hack, for sure. But it is more or less
> consistent with developmental homology.

HA, why would that make you a woman?  Do you think a woman is defined
by her vagina?  You are the one who insults people.

 Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.
>>>
>>> I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.
>>
>> No clue?  How about mental illness?  If you want any-dimensional
>> "spectra", then there is no such thing as mental illness either,
>> right?
>
> Those aren't arguments, just insults.

Not quite "just".  They are based on a the medical professions best
opinion, albeit from the 1980s.  You suppose the science for gender
changed much since then?

>> Have you ever tested your philosophy on anyone older than high school?

I think not, but I meant with a *maturity* of someone older than high
school, sorry.

\0xD


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Mirimir
On 12/17/2019 11:37 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️

 Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
>>>
>>> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
>>> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?
>>
>> If you wanted to be a horse, why not?
> 
> Maybe because I'd still be 90% human
> 
>> At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.
> 
> No, why would you assume so?  Do you think cutting off your penis
> makes you a woman, too?  Just what kind of bullshit will you be
> willing to turn away from?  When does it stop for you?

Me, I'm happy as I am. As long as I get my testosterone and modafinil,
anyway.

But why should whatever you or I think or want matter for anyone else?

And about the penis thing. As I understand it, they basically invert and
expand the penis. So the glans becomes the clitoris, and the interior
becomes the vagina. It's a crude hack, for sure. But it is more or less
consistent with developmental homology.

>>> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.
>>
>> I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.
> 
> No clue?  How about mental illness?  If you want any-dimensional
> "spectra", then there is no such thing as mental illness either,
> right?

Those aren't arguments, just insults.

> Have you ever tested your philosophy on anyone older than high school?
> 
> Seriously,
> 
> \0xd
> 


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread \0xDynamite
  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>>>
>>> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
>>
>> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
>> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?
>
> If you wanted to be a horse, why not?

Maybe because I'd still be 90% human

> At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.

No, why would you assume so?  Do you think cutting off your penis
makes you a woman, too?  Just what kind of bullshit will you be
willing to turn away from?  When does it stop for you?

>> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.
>
> I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.

No clue?  How about mental illness?  If you want any-dimensional
"spectra", then there is no such thing as mental illness either,
right?

Have you ever tested your philosophy on anyone older than high school?

Seriously,

\0xd


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Mirimir
On 12/17/2019 08:14 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
> On 12/17/19, grarpamp  wrote:
>> On 12/17/19, Razer  wrote:
>>> https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
>>>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>>
>> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
> 
> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?

If you wanted to be a horse, why not?

At some point, I'm sure that there will be species-change technology.

> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.

I have no clue why ideology must be one dimensional.

> \0xD
> 


Earth's Magnetic North Pole Keeps Moving Towards Siberia at a Mysteriously Fast Pace

2019-12-17 Thread jim bell


Earth's Magnetic North Pole Keeps Moving Towards Siberia at a Mysteriously Fast 
Pace

sciencealert.com
"Our planet is restless, and its poles are wandering. Of course, the geographic 
north pole is in the same place it always was, but its magnetic counterpart – 
indicated by the N on any compass – is roaming towards Siberia at 
record-breaking speeds that scientists don't fully comprehend."


Jim Bell's comment:Russia is slowly stealing magnetic north...and Trump isn't 
doing anything about it!!!


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread jim bell
 On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 07:15:35 PM PST, \0xDynamite 
 wrote:
 
 
 >On 12/17/19, grarpamp  wrote:
> >On 12/17/19, Razer  wrote:
>>> 
>>>https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
>>>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>
>> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.

>HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?

>Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.


Yes, I've long laughed at people who think that somebody can believe they are 
the 'wrong sex'.  I've only had one brain, and one body.  Sure they seem to 
match, but how would I know otherwise?   I have no idea how a person would 
believe he (or she) is the 'wrong' sex.  How would they know what the other sex 
feels like?
                  Jim Bell
  

Global Conciousness Project Dot now Dark Blue

2019-12-17 Thread Se7en


It keeps going darker and darker, and maintaining this position.

http://gcpdot.com/gcpchart.php



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Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 09:26:12AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:55:52AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Manning, and he will to stand for our collective rights, is awesome -
> s/he/her/doh!


Question: is ~8KiB of email headers appropriate, for an ~0.5KiB
email?

1KiB emails seem to no longer exist on this list...

And here we were worrying about shaving 1KiB off of high latency
messages...



Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 09:14:17PM -0600, \0xDynamite wrote:
> On 12/17/19, grarpamp  wrote:
> > On 12/17/19, Razer  wrote:
> >> https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
> >>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
> >
> > Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
> 
> HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
> make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?
> 
> Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.
> 
> \0xD


For those who -really- want to smash the field and simultaneously
accuse most of the world of an "-ism" and a "-phobia", get behind the
trans-age rights movement and expose the bigots :D

Defeat the sub-junoir hockey teams by simply allowing them to bump
into you like dominoes as you careen down the field.

Smash the early primary school swimming "open" medals with a clean
sweep of the podium, whilst simultaneously defending the right of
trans-age-ists everywhere and putting all bald faced trans-age-phobes
in their place.

Feel like a winner -every- month as you high-jump WAY over the
heads of all the competition and really nail some human rights into
the school bored.

  Be an upstanding winner - defeat ageism today!


Next up - apparel freedom - we shall NOT be oppressed by your
superficial patriarchal shame not any no more never!


Re: Boo!

2019-12-17 Thread rooty
Wat hi-lar-i-ous

 Original Message 
On Dec 17, 2019, 2:33 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote:

> “Do I know you? I know you clear through. I was born and raised in
> the South, and I’ve lived in the North; so I know the average all
> around. The average man’s a coward. In the North he lets anybody walk
> over him that wants to, and goes home and prays for a humble spirit to
> bear it. In the South one man all by himself, has stopped a stage full
> of men in the daytime, and robbed the lot. Your newspapers call you a
> brave people so much that you think you are braver than any other
> people—whereas you’re just as brave, and no braver. Why don’t your
> juries hang murderers? Because they’re afraid the man’s friends will
> shoot them in the back, in the dark—and it’s just what they would do.
>
> “So they always acquit; and then a man goes in the night, with a
> hundred masked cowards at his back and lynches the rascal. Your
> mistake is, that you didn’t bring a man with you; that’s one mistake,
> and the other is that you didn’t come in the dark and fetch your
> masks. You brought part of a man—Buck Harkness, there—and if you
> hadn’t had him to start you, you’d a taken it out in blowing.
>
> “You didn’t want to come. The average man don’t like trouble and
> danger. You don’t like trouble and danger. But if only half a
> man—like Buck Harkness, there—shouts ’Lynch him! lynch him!’ you’re
> afraid to back down—afraid you’ll be found out to be what you
> are—cowards—and so you raise a yell, and hang yourselves on to that
> half-a-man’s coat-tail, and come raging up here, swearing what big
> things you’re going to do. The pitifulest thing out is a mob; that’s
> what an army is—a mob; they don’t fight with courage that’s born in
> them, but with courage that’s borrowed from their mass, and from their
> officers. But a mob without any man at the head of it is beneath
> pitifulness. Now the thing for you to do is to droop your tails and
> go home and crawl in a hole. If any real lynching’s going to be done
> it will be done in the dark, Southern fashion; and when they come
> they’ll bring their masks, and fetch a man along. Now leave—and take
> your half-a-man with you”—tossing his gun up across his left arm and
> cocking it when he says this.

The actual constitutional grounds for impeaching Trump - FAQ - Zerowedgie - [PEACE]

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Apparantly the Russians have weaponized shit eating grins
and neon-nazi smirks.

So for your Christmas gratitude and for those who missed the
memo and need a little Chist-mas cheer. here is Zerowedgie re-com-
posting the Babylon Bee. with

  Everything You Wanted To Know About Impeachment
  (But Were Afraid To Ask On Twitter)
  
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/everything-you-wanted-know-about-impeachment-were-afraid-ask-twitter
  https://babylonbee.com/news/the-bee-explains-impeachment

What is impeachment?
...

Why is Trump being impeached?
...

Why didn't Democrats include any criminal offenses in the
articles of impeachment?
...


May the spirit of Christ manifest.

Just in case I forgot to mention "Christ":

  Christ

  and a very Russian Christmas to y'all,



Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread \0xDynamite
On 12/17/19, grarpamp  wrote:
> On 12/17/19, Razer  wrote:
>> https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
>>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
>
> Then post her words. It's also her birthday.

HIS.  Post *his* words.  Just because you "feel like a girl" doesn't
make you a girl.  If I felt like a horse, would I be a horse, too?

Sometimes the Left is as stupid as the Right.

\0xD


Re: FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants.

2019-12-17 Thread Ryan Carboni
Anyone who does not make any real effort to effect a personal or
collective goal is not worth anyone's time.


Re: FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants.

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 06:20:22PM -0800, Razer wrote:
> Ps. The woman who made her career as an anti-Russia lobbyist claiming
> Ukraine > US erection tampering is a 'myth' (Fiona Hill), is about as
> believable as the Flat Earth theory (The Earth is actually shaped like a
> carrot)

Excuse Me! The world is ackshuallay shaped like a lubricated sucking
doh!nut.

With teeth.


Re: FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants.

2019-12-17 Thread Razer



Ryan Carboni wrote:
> Yeah, no kidding. I think the Russians replaced our entire reality
> with a simulcra.
>
> Thus all the evidence is fake.
>
> Even the physical evidence.
>
> Even the physical evidence that is linked to missing persons.
>
> The Russians must be operating death squads to systematically kill the
> weak and vulnerable (just like what the Neo-Nazis want) and plant it
> wherever they want. It is like they are operating unopposed and there
> is no organized opposition to stop them!

Unh... Nazis killed millions of Russian citizens. Insinuating that any
Russian would tolerate Neonazis is beyond bizarre and you? Stupid, or a
propagandist.

Rr

Ps. The woman who made her career as an anti-Russia lobbyist claiming
Ukraine > US erection tampering is a 'myth' (Fiona Hill), is about as
believable as the Flat Earth theory (The Earth is actually shaped like a
carrot)


Re: The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-17 Thread Razer
jim bell wrote:
> The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps 
> After Damning Report.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/fisa-court-order-fbi-surveillance.html
>
> The FISA court needs to issue MANY "contempt of court" orders to those
> who suckered them in 2016 and onwards.  And then jail them all.
>

Not because they legal have writ to spy on our personal communications,
to wit: "Presidential Executive Order 12333 - 1.13 allows the FBI to
provide the NSA with “technical assistance” in the United States… ie. to
collect metadata about American citizens by collaborating with “foreign
intelligence and law enforcement services.", Section 215 OR 702... but
because they spied on the Trump campaign for the Democrats.

See my 'Data Intercept Technology Unit' tag at tumblr
https://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/tagged/DITU/

Did you know they hired a used furniture salesman?

Rr




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Virginia activates state Militia - Re: sanity - deputising citizens - 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries - Democ-rats threaten national guard - [PEACE]

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 04:07:46PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 03:59:19PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 03:57:26PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > >   Virginia Lawmakers Threaten 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries With National
> > >   Guard
> > >   
> > > https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virginia-lawmakers-threaten-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries-national-guard
> > >   
> > > https://www.theorganicprepper.com/virginia-lawmakers-threaten-2nd-amendment-sanctuaries-with-national-guard/
> > 
> > > Since the above article was written, it should be noted that 2nd
> > > Amendment Sanctuary Counties are at 80 and counting. One sheriff
> > > has even vowed to deputize citizens should these unconstitutional
> > > laws pass.
> > > 
> > > https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Virginia-sheriff-vows-to-deputize-citizens-if-gun-laws-pass-565981991.html
> > 
> > 
> > After the public outcry, Governor Northam has said a provision
> > will be added for current gun owners.
> > 
> > “In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will
> > include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own
> > assault weapons, with the requirement they register their
> > weapons before the end of a designated grace period,” Northam
> > spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in a statement Monday
> > evening. (source)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Create your world, get deputised!
> 
> 
> Now what could be more enjoyable than door to door knocking for
> electioneering, is door to door knocking for gun range open days.
> 
> This is for those who don't yet have a citizen or four under their
> wing at the range already.
> 
> So come on, get cracking :)


Get on down to the range, folks, grab yer guns and write out dem
cheques for the guns and ammo you been keepin on yer bucket list.

  "If not now, then when?"

'Tis time, muffas!


  Virginia Activates Official Militia After Gun Confiscation
  Threats.  Lawmakers Want To Make This A Felony
  
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virginia-activates-official-militia-after-gun-confiscation-threats-lawmakers-want-make
  https://www.theorganicprepper.com/virginia-activates-militia-felony/

As Virginia lawmakers prepare to pass a draconian gun control
bill that would make most guns in the state illegal, Tazewell
County has formed an official active militia as per the Second
Amendment to the Constitution.

  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
  free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
  shall not be infringed.

To all of those who like to mock gun owners and ask if they’re
going to fight tyranny in a militia, Virginia’s answer is a clear
and adamant “yes.” That’s exactly what they’re planning to do.


A Quick Recap of What’s Happened So Far
...


The National Guard’s Response
...
Based on the responses in the Twitter thread, folks found Maj.
Gen. Williams’ lackluster response less than comforting.


So now, a militia is forming in Virginia

Tazewell County is taking this threat to the Second Amendment
very seriously. Not only did they pass a Second Amendment
Sanctuary resolution, but they’ve also officially begun to form a
militia. Law Enforcement Today reports:

  Just this past Tuesday, on December 10th, the Board of
  Supervisors from Tazewell County passed two different
  resolutions in light of controversy circling those who are
  pro-gun. The first resolution declared the county to be a
  second amendment sanctuary. This is not at all surprising to
  see, as 76 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities,
  and 13 towns have adopted second amendment sanctuary
  resolutions.

  The second item on the agenda was the proposition of
  establishing a militia in the county. When both of the
  resolutions passed, the crowd cheered loudly in support of the
  decisions.  Also, the resolutions didn’t exactly pass by a
  small margin; the votes were unanimous, with more than 200
  citizens standing by in support. (source)
  
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/it-begins-virginia-forms-active-militia-to-protect-sheriffs-citizens-from-unconstitutional-laws/

County Administrator Eric Young explained why the county has
opted to form a militia.

  “Our position is that Article I, Section 13, of the
  Constitution of Virginia reserves the right to ‘order’ militia
  to the localities. Therefore, counties, not the state,
  determine what types of arms may be carried in their territory
  and by whom. So, we are ‘ordering’ the militia by making sure
  everyone can own a weapon.”

  Thus, if anyone from the state tries to remove the Sheriff from
  their elected office because they refuse to enforce unjust
  laws, those state officials will be faced with a lawful militia
  

Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
On 12/17/19, Ryan Carboni  wrote:
> We have too many damn laws.

Creeps creeping...

> I don't see how all these laws serve to protect anyone.

Laws cannot and do not protect anyone against original harm.
This is proven by the very existance of prisons
and the daily newsfeeds.

Only way to protect is to protect yourself, or bind yourself
to proxy who will under terms of mutual exchange or charity.

Due to intentional conflict of interest in their favor,
governments are not capable of acting as proxy or charity.

Very simple concepts that few understand.


Re: The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:27:07PM +, jim bell wrote:
> The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps 
> After Damning Report.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/fisa-court-order-fbi-surveillance.html
>
> The FISA court needs to issue MANY "contempt of court" orders to those who
> suckered them in 2016 and onwards.  And then jail them all.

Since 1978 actually...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

The order...

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6600-fisa-court-demands-answers-fro/87f1132ddc399b0c99b1/optimized/full.pdf


Re: FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants.

2019-12-17 Thread Ryan Carboni
Yeah, no kidding. I think the Russians replaced our entire reality
with a simulcra.

Thus all the evidence is fake.

Even the physical evidence.

Even the physical evidence that is linked to missing persons.

The Russians must be operating death squads to systematically kill the
weak and vulnerable (just like what the Neo-Nazis want) and plant it
wherever they want. It is like they are operating unopposed and there
is no organized opposition to stop them!


Re: The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:27:07PM +, jim bell wrote:
> The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps 
> After Damning Report.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/fisa-court-order-fbi-surveillance.html
> The FISA court needs to issue MANY "contempt of court" orders to those who 
> suckered them in 2016 and onwards.  And then jail them all.


Indeed.

Dozens or hundreds of jailings are due...

  "'Cause you'd be in jail."



Re: FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants.

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:09:26PM +, Ryan Carboni wrote:
> If I was a FISA judge, I'd hire a special master to more thoroughly
> examine a whole set of documents behind an application.
> 
> If the appropriations don't allow for it, I'd urge my colleagues to
> pool together a portion of our wages to hire someone.
> 
> That would never happen.


Why the hell should the courts have to do the "prosecutor"'s work?

And anyway, the FISA court is an abomination of a star chamber evil!

Your words Ryahn suggest that the government/FBI/CIA should be able
to bring any old shit and the courts and everyone else must spend god
knows how much effort and resources to "check it all out, clean it
all up" - either the damn case is backed up by sufficient testimonial
evidence, or it's not!


We need better education. Folks need to understand how the Western
legal system is supposed to bloody work... and it is meant to protect
against abuse by those who would accuse without evidence, without
sufficient facts to back up their accusations - unfortunately the
system has been corrupted in many (most?) instances!


Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Ryan Carboni
We have too many damn laws.

Mandatory reporting laws are best written as extension to the old
misprision laws. Banning terrorism already exists as treason against
state governments, murder, and violence are already crimes.


I don't see how all these laws serve to protect anyone.


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
On 12/17/19, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> Another way to put it is that to some degree our bodies may be
> "slaves" to those who exercise arbitrary and capricious power over
> our bodies, but our spirit or Soul remains free, and within the
> bounds of our ability (to speak, to remain silent, to move), we
> remain free.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation


The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After Damning Report

2019-12-17 Thread jim bell
The New York Times: Court Orders F.B.I. to Fix National Security Wiretaps After 
Damning Report.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/politics/fisa-court-order-fbi-surveillance.html
The FISA court needs to issue MANY "contempt of court" orders to those who 
suckered them in 2016 and onwards.  And then jail them all.

Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
On 12/17/19, jim bell  wrote:

> we are slaves to those who want to prosecute others.
> There is a Federal law, Misprision of Felony:
>  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4
> "Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable
> by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible
> make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military
> authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or
> imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

https://qwant.com/?q=jury+nullification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
http://www.fija.org/
http://www.jurybox.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_Nullification_(book)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Rule_Book
Find books on the web, filesharing, libgen, etc...

Consider how natural law rights to jury nullification, and to in
general voluntarily not involve oneself in anything, would apply
to cancel the paper misprision "offense" directly, and or by
removing the underlying felony requirement.

> One key word is "conceals".  Merely being aware of the commission of a
> felony does not require a person to report the crime.

"conceals *and* doesn't inform asap"

This seems a strange conjunction... it either implies a required context
of such actions as being taken in response to an inquest or proceeding
(the cognizable bits), or it is simply an example of broken "law" easily
thrown out. Then there is defining "asap", such as falling under which
parties own priority scheduler... deft or pltf.

> I have not had access to a Lexis law library computer system since 2012.

Isn't that available onsite to guests through random public libraries,
or university law school libraries?

Nevermind that the worldwide legal system needs opensourced
at all levels, including this bullshit cabal...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_(law)

> I am not aware that merely refusing to testify in front of a Grand Jury
> amounts to "misprision of felony".

If so, surely not for any lack of prosecutors trying to attempt such twists.


Re: FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants.

2019-12-17 Thread Ryan Carboni
If I was a FISA judge, I'd hire a special master to more thoroughly
examine a whole set of documents behind an application.

If the appropriations don't allow for it, I'd urge my colleagues to
pool together a portion of our wages to hire someone.

That would never happen.


Re: Harpers: Click Here to Kill - The dark world of online murder markets

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 05:02:31PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> On 12/17/19, jim bell  wrote:
> >  This is presumably the article that Brian Merchant contacted me while
> > writing.  I have a response, but given the long length of the article
> > itself, it will take a few days to write up.
> 
> > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 08:34:23 AM PST, Razer 
> > wrote:
> >>I'd rather be slaughtering the rich, but you know how Merica works.
> > Indoctrinated to victimize other victims.
> >
> > https://harpers.org/archive/2020/01/click-here-to-kill-dark-web-hitman/
> 
> This thing's been archived over 95 times in five days,
> apparently such affairs of humanity are quite popular...


TFW as you read the article thinking "oh this author writes up an
appropriately entrancing hypothetical" and then you Yandex for
"Stephen Allwine" ... and it's all true...


FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants.

2019-12-17 Thread jim bell
FISA court issues public rebuke to FBI over misconduct in spy warrants 
https://mol.im/a/7803115 via http://dailym.ai/android


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 09:59:19PM +, jim bell wrote:
>  On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 08:17:01 AM PST, Razer  
> wrote:
>  
>  [snip]
> >In her letter [PDF], 
> >Chelsea Manning's Letter To Judge On Opposing The Grand Jury
> 
> Jim Bell's comment:   That is a very well-written document.   The
> U.S. Constitution has a flaw: (actually, many of them, but...) 
> While the Fifth Amendment contains language protecting our right to
> not testify against ourselves, it fails to have a similar
> protection against being required to testify against others. 
> Effectively, this means that we are slaves to those who want to
> prosecute others.

That's a useful, and insightful way to put it - thank you.

I would also add this:

Fundamental human rights are fundamental (or inalienable or
unalienable in USA traditional terms), since they are rights that are
with us from they day we're born (so to speak) - that is, due to our
natural ability, we have sanction to exercise the right to remain
silent, or the right to speak, or the right to move about, without
the "permission" or "license" from anyone else.

Now, those who wish to exercise power over others, such as the power
to prosecute others, even for actions where there are no victims
(such as publishing information), may bring down upon us,
consequences for exercising our basic human rights (such as the right
to remain silent, or the right to speak, etc).

Another way to put it is that to some degree our bodies may be
"slaves" to those who exercise arbitrary and capricious power over
our bodies, but our spirit or Soul remains free, and within the
bounds of our ability (to speak, to remain silent, to move), we
remain free.

It can of course be useful to codify such things that seem obvious to
some, in the hope that the many might be more inclined to live their
fundamental/basic human rights in the face of the tyranny that TPTB
bring upon us.

Although the negative to codifying basic human rights, is that in the
mind of the feeble, our basic human rights then become defined by
that which is written (and not by our inherent ability/capacity and
natural or God given rights), and further, the writing also invites
gaming by sociopaths.

Without the writing (say, a "constitution" and/ or "constitutional
amendments"), then juries (plain or grand juries) must exercise much
more discrimination.  With such writing/codifying of rights, these
juries are often "directed" by the judge to "decide ONLY on these
points I tell you to decide on" and "you MUST decide in the following
way, since The Law says those actions are illegal" and other
monstrosities.

Again, those humans on a jury ALWAYS have the right to decide ANY
WHICH WAY they so choose, but how many know this?

And more importantly, how many are willing to act/speak based on
principles of righteousness and decency, in the face of a "corrupt"
judge ordering them to decide in a certain way only?



> There is a Federal law, Misprision of Felony:   
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4   
> "Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by 
> a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make 
> known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority 
> under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not 
> more than three years, or both."

It appears that this law should be used against many CIA and FBI
"deep croc" employees!


> One key word is "conceals".  Merely being aware of the commission of a felony 
> does not require a person to report the crime.  However, if you take an 
> action to "conceal" it is called a violation of 18 U.S.C. 4.   What actions 
> amount to 'concealment' has been and is subject to litigation. I have not had 
> access to a Lexis law library computer system since 2012.  But, I am not 
> aware that merely refusing to testify in front of a Grand Jury amounts to 
> "misprision of felony".  
> Also, I continue to search for discussions of  ' "Assange" 
> "extraterritoriality" ' .   But NOT in the sense of the "extraterritoriality" 
> of the Ecuadorian embassy in Longon:  Rather, the issue of whether the U.S. 
> Government can apply American law to a person, Assange, who ostensibly would 
> have committed that crime while in the U.K., and not in America.  
>              Jim Bell
> 
> 
> 
> > Manning contended the modern grand jury barely
> resemble the grand jury,  which the framers enshrined in the
> Constitution. She acknowledges much  of her opposition comes from their
> use against activists but also makes  it clear she believes the
> institution generally undermines due process  for all citizens."
> 
> >Chelsea Manning’s Resistance Brings U.S. Closer To Ending The Grand Jury
> 
> --The following, from my past research on the 
> issue of Extraterritoriality and Assange:
> 
> 
> jim bell To:cypherpu...@lists.pglaf.org,Greg NewbyOct 21 
> at 11:51 AMOn Monday, 

Boo!

2019-12-17 Thread Ryan Carboni
“Do I know you?  I know you clear through. I was born and raised in
the South, and I’ve lived in the North; so I know the average all
around. The average man’s a coward.  In the North he lets anybody walk
over him that wants to, and goes home and prays for a humble spirit to
bear it. In the South one man all by himself, has stopped a stage full
of men in the daytime, and robbed the lot.  Your newspapers call you a
brave people so much that you think you are braver than any other
people—whereas you’re just as brave, and no braver.  Why don’t your
juries hang murderers?  Because they’re afraid the man’s friends will
shoot them in the back, in the dark—and it’s just what they would do.

“So they always acquit; and then a man goes in the night, with a
hundred masked cowards at his back and lynches the rascal.  Your
mistake is, that you didn’t bring a man with you; that’s one mistake,
and the other is that you didn’t come in the dark and fetch your
masks.  You brought part of a man—Buck Harkness, there—and if you
hadn’t had him to start you, you’d a taken it out in blowing.

“You didn’t want to come.  The average man don’t like trouble and
danger. You don’t like trouble and danger.  But if only half a
man—like Buck Harkness, there—shouts ’Lynch him! lynch him!’ you’re
afraid to back down—afraid you’ll be found out to be what you
are—cowards—and so you raise a yell, and hang yourselves on to that
half-a-man’s coat-tail, and come raging up here, swearing what big
things you’re going to do. The pitifulest thing out is a mob; that’s
what an army is—a mob; they don’t fight with courage that’s born in
them, but with courage that’s borrowed from their mass, and from their
officers.  But a mob without any man at the head of it is beneath
pitifulness.  Now the thing for you to do is to droop your tails and
go home and crawl in a hole.  If any real lynching’s going to be done
it will be done in the dark, Southern fashion; and when they come
they’ll bring their masks, and fetch a man along.  Now leave—and take
your half-a-man with you”—tossing his gun up across his left arm and
cocking it when he says this.


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:55:52AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Manning, and he will to stand for our collective rights, is awesome -
s/he/her/doh!


Re: us - public system

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
> Minute 2:
> profit from transactions: 50
> 50<70 profit not enough to pay public services.
> taxes: 20 (takes 4 from each account)  (this a simplification for 
> illustrating, the real algorithm takes from each account proportional to the 
> balance)

You might have difficulty encouraging people to accept this step.

Let's call this just a very, very mild hunch :)


> My argumentation goes as my thoughts are for using cryptoeconomy to solve a 
> public system that could compete with traditional governments. It will be the 
> choice of the people to choose the better system.

Is it possible that people's choices might not be as magnanimous (or
"enlightened") as you think?



Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
BTW, a little trivia:

Up until about 10 years ago, we had grand juries still in Victoria,
Australia.

John Walsh (nearly murdered in jail with two billiard balls in a
sock, for his $300 million island development which envious
individuals wanted for themselves) successfully convened a grand jury
against the very corrupt Victorian Crown Solicitor of the day, with
abundant evidence of the corruption and attempted murder.

The next business day after Walsh's successful grand jury filing in
the supreme court, the Vicorian parliament removed the grand jury
from the Victorian constitution (since they were not using it for
themselves, and "we the people" had evidently begun to use it against
them).

(From memory, Mr Walsh lost his way and failed to file some of the
documents he had to thereafter additionally file, and thus his grand
jury case ultimately failed to proceed to trial.)

So with a small (handful) dedicated group of people, it is possible
to use such a tool as the grand jury to help clean up one or another
corruption - but pick your battle carefully if you don't wanna be
JFK'ed.

Good luck and create your world,



On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:55:52AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Manning, and he will to stand for our collective rights, is awesome -
> a credit to higher intentions and all that is good!
> 
> Easily corruptible institutions ought be abolished.
> 
> Institutions which actually serve the people, can be used for good.
> 
> Institutions which have been corrupted, need to be either abolished
> or uncorrupted. Since those who wield such instutions against us, are
> corrupt and typically unwilling to relinquish their power which they
> wield against us, in this situation one solution is again to end the
> institution.
> 
> The Grand Jury was meant as an institution of the people, to hold to
> account individuals within government, but of course it has been
> turned upside down and is now regularly (exclusively?) used by
> government, against the people.
> 
> What we need is competent education of people, so they can wield
> power (including the grand jury) against corrupt government
> individuals.
> 
>   “The original grand jury was more than an investigator. They were
>   supposed to protect citizens not just from unjust indictments but
>   from unjust laws,” Manning suggested. “In England, grand jurors who
>   even allowed a prosecutor to come into the grand jury room were
>   seen as having violated their oath.”
> 
> At least, the Grand Jury in the USA seems to be clearly problematic,
> and either needs to be fixed, or removed altogether, in the interests
> of our human rights.
> 
> 
> Great article BTW - thanks for posting!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:16:33AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> >  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
> > 
> > 
> > "When  Judge Anthony Trenga ordered Chelsea Manning back to jail for
> > refusing  to testify before the grand jury investigating WikiLeaks, he
> > urged her  to “reflect on the principles she says she’s embracing” as
> > well as  “whether those views are worth the price she’s paying for
> > them.” Trenga  maintained there was “no dishonor” in cooperating with a
> > grand jury  because the United States Constitution codified the grand jury.
> > 
> > Manning  took Trenga’s admonishment seriously and responded with a
> > letter  containing research she did with the help of her attorneys. It
> > presented  her position on the grand jury in a very clear and compelling
> > manner.
> > 
> > In  doing so, Manning further demonstrated her resistance is about much 
> > more than defying an investigation into a dissident media organization. 
> > It is about publicly discrediting the institution and all its
> > corruption  once and for all.
> > 
> > Manning,  who is in jail at the William G. Truesdale Adult Detention
> > Center in  Alexandria, Virginia, was held in civil contempt of court on
> > May 16. The  federal court not only sent her back to jail but also
> > imposed a fine of  $500 per day after 30 days and a fine of $1000 per
> > day after 60 days if  she continues her resistance.
> > 
> > If  Manning “persists in her refusal” for the next 16 months, according
> > to  her legal team, she will face a total amount of fines that is over 
> > $440,000. Both jail and fines may violate her Eighth Amendment rights 
> > under the Constitution, especially since these sanctions are supposed
> > to  be coercive, not punitive.
> > 
> > In her letter [PDF],  Manning contended the modern grand jury barely
> > resemble the grand jury,  which the framers enshrined in the
> > Constitution. She acknowledges much  of her opposition comes from their
> > use against activists but also makes  it clear she believes the
> > institution generally undermines due process  for all citizens."
> > 
> > https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
> > 


Re: Harpers: Click Here to Kill - The dark world of online murder markets

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
On 12/17/19, jim bell  wrote:
>  This is presumably the article that Brian Merchant contacted me while
> writing.  I have a response, but given the long length of the article
> itself, it will take a few days to write up.

> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 08:34:23 AM PST, Razer 
> wrote:
>>I'd rather be slaughtering the rich, but you know how Merica works.
> Indoctrinated to victimize other victims.
>
> https://harpers.org/archive/2020/01/click-here-to-kill-dark-web-hitman/

This thing's been archived over 95 times in five days,
apparently such affairs of humanity are quite popular...


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread jim bell
 On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 08:17:01 AM PST, Razer  wrote:
 
 [snip]
>In her letter [PDF], 
>Chelsea Manning's Letter To Judge On Opposing The Grand Jury

Jim Bell's comment:   That is a very well-written document.   The U.S. 
Constitution has a flaw: (actually, many of them, but...)  While the Fifth 
Amendment contains language protecting our right to not testify against 
ourselves, it fails to have a similar protection against being required to 
testify against others.  Effectively, this means that we are slaves to those 
who want to prosecute others.
There is a Federal law, Misprision of Felony:   
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4   
"Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a 
court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make 
known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority 
under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more 
than three years, or both."

One key word is "conceals".  Merely being aware of the commission of a felony 
does not require a person to report the crime.  However, if you take an action 
to "conceal" it is called a violation of 18 U.S.C. 4.   What actions amount to 
'concealment' has been and is subject to litigation. I have not had access to a 
Lexis law library computer system since 2012.  But, I am not aware that merely 
refusing to testify in front of a Grand Jury amounts to "misprision of felony". 
 
Also, I continue to search for discussions of  ' "Assange" 
"extraterritoriality" ' .   But NOT in the sense of the "extraterritoriality" 
of the Ecuadorian embassy in Longon:  Rather, the issue of whether the U.S. 
Government can apply American law to a person, Assange, who ostensibly would 
have committed that crime while in the U.K., and not in America.  
             Jim Bell



> Manning contended the modern grand jury barely
resemble the grand jury,  which the framers enshrined in the
Constitution. She acknowledges much  of her opposition comes from their
use against activists but also makes  it clear she believes the
institution generally undermines due process  for all citizens."

>Chelsea Manning’s Resistance Brings U.S. Closer To Ending The Grand Jury

--The following, from my past research on the 
issue of Extraterritoriality and Assange:


jim bell To:cypherpu...@lists.pglaf.org,Greg NewbyOct 21 at 
11:51 AMOn Monday, October 21, 2019, 09:15:26 AM PDT, Greg Newby 
 wrote:

>Spotted in Fox news online, but it looks like this is also on the AP wire
https://www.foxnews.com/world/wikileaks-julian-assange-appears-in-court

>Meanwhile, it appears Chelsea Manning is still in jail in Alexandria, for 
>refusing to cooperate with the grand jury investigation against Assange: 
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning


>The Fox article:

>WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange fails in bid to delay extradition battle with US
>Greg Norman
>By Greg Norman | Fox News

Jim Bell's comment:
(But first, note that the term "extraterritoriality" was commonly used in TWO 
senses in regards to Assange:  First, perhaps the most common usage was the 
fact that Assange could stay in the Embassy as if it were a different country, 
not UK.  That is NOT the sense I am most interested in, at least in part 
because nobody seemed to be substantially challenging that issue.  The second 
usage, is the concept that a country can have criminal jurisdiction over acts 
committed in another nation.  Put simply, can the US declare actions by a 
person outside the US, when there is no clear connection to the US?   I very 
much doubt that, in this case.  Below, you can see that I looked at some 
statutes, and did not find any specific reference to 'extraterritoriality' as 
part of the statutes which were then cited.  This material includes points 
which included references to US court decisions which declared that unless a 
statute clearly claims 'extraterritoriality' over acts in other nations, it 
should be presumed to not apply.
Did the US add any charges which DID have extraterritoriality references built 
into the statutes?)

It's frustrating that these news-item references aren't written to include 
issues such as extraterritoriality included.  I will now do a time limited 
Google-search for 'Assange extraterritoriality' over the last months to find 
useful references.  Nothing.  Perhaps a law journal will have addressed this 
important matter.  
Let's not forget what I said on April 29, 2019:

---jim bell 
To:CypherPunks
Apr 29 at 5:31 PM
From:     https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1153486/download
15(B) to intentionally access a computer, without authorization and exceeding 
authorized access, to obtain information from a department and agency of the 
United States in furtherance of a criminal act in violation of the laws of the 
United States, that is, a violation of Title 18, United 

Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Manning, and he will to stand for our collective rights, is awesome -
a credit to higher intentions and all that is good!

Easily corruptible institutions ought be abolished.

Institutions which actually serve the people, can be used for good.

Institutions which have been corrupted, need to be either abolished
or uncorrupted. Since those who wield such instutions against us, are
corrupt and typically unwilling to relinquish their power which they
wield against us, in this situation one solution is again to end the
institution.

The Grand Jury was meant as an institution of the people, to hold to
account individuals within government, but of course it has been
turned upside down and is now regularly (exclusively?) used by
government, against the people.

What we need is competent education of people, so they can wield
power (including the grand jury) against corrupt government
individuals.

  “The original grand jury was more than an investigator. They were
  supposed to protect citizens not just from unjust indictments but
  from unjust laws,” Manning suggested. “In England, grand jurors who
  even allowed a prosecutor to come into the grand jury room were
  seen as having violated their oath.”

At least, the Grand Jury in the USA seems to be clearly problematic,
and either needs to be fixed, or removed altogether, in the interests
of our human rights.


Great article BTW - thanks for posting!




On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:16:33AM -0800, Razer wrote:
>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️
> 
> 
> "When  Judge Anthony Trenga ordered Chelsea Manning back to jail for
> refusing  to testify before the grand jury investigating WikiLeaks, he
> urged her  to “reflect on the principles she says she’s embracing” as
> well as  “whether those views are worth the price she’s paying for
> them.” Trenga  maintained there was “no dishonor” in cooperating with a
> grand jury  because the United States Constitution codified the grand jury.
> 
> Manning  took Trenga’s admonishment seriously and responded with a
> letter  containing research she did with the help of her attorneys. It
> presented  her position on the grand jury in a very clear and compelling
> manner.
> 
> In  doing so, Manning further demonstrated her resistance is about much 
> more than defying an investigation into a dissident media organization. 
> It is about publicly discrediting the institution and all its
> corruption  once and for all.
> 
> Manning,  who is in jail at the William G. Truesdale Adult Detention
> Center in  Alexandria, Virginia, was held in civil contempt of court on
> May 16. The  federal court not only sent her back to jail but also
> imposed a fine of  $500 per day after 30 days and a fine of $1000 per
> day after 60 days if  she continues her resistance.
> 
> If  Manning “persists in her refusal” for the next 16 months, according
> to  her legal team, she will face a total amount of fines that is over 
> $440,000. Both jail and fines may violate her Eighth Amendment rights 
> under the Constitution, especially since these sanctions are supposed
> to  be coercive, not punitive.
> 
> In her letter [PDF],  Manning contended the modern grand jury barely
> resemble the grand jury,  which the framers enshrined in the
> Constitution. She acknowledges much  of her opposition comes from their
> use against activists but also makes  it clear she believes the
> institution generally undermines due process  for all citizens."
> 
> https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
> 


Re: Chelsea Manning attempts to destroy 'grand jury' system using their actions as wrecking ball!

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
On 12/17/19, Razer  wrote:
> https://medium.com/@kevin_33184/chelsea-mannings-resistance-brings-u-s-closer-to-ending-the-grand-jury-7b9d3ad6537a
>  Love you Chelsea! See you at the Barricades ‍☠️

Then post her words. It's also her birthday.
https://twitter.com/xychelsea
https://twitter.com/resistschelsea
https://xychelsea.is/


Here's some related news and direct links...

#OpSeasonsGreetings
#OpSeasonsGreetings2019
https://twitter.com/brazenqueer
https://pastebin.com/yJhMTMVa

https://twitter.com/wikileaks
https://twitter.com/defendassange
https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/
https://shadowproof.com/2019/12/12/respected-press-freedom-organization-excludes-assange-from-annual-list-of-jailed-journalists/
https://shadowproof.com/2019/12/10/opponent-paul-rosenzweig-wikileaks-vault-7-schulte-trial/

https://twitter.com/freejeremynet
https://freejeremy.net/
https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2019/10/jeremy-hammond-issues-statement-explaining-why-he-is-resisting-the-edvas-grand-jury/
https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2019/10/imprisoned-activist-jeremy-hammond-found-in-contempt-for-failure-to-testify-before-federal-grand-jury-in-the-edva/


Chelsea...

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6112339/Chelsea-Manning-s-Letter-To-Judge-On-Opposing.pdf
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6112339/Chelsea-Manning-s-Letter-To-Judge-On-Opposing.txt

"
Case 1:19-dm-00012-AJT Document 14-1 Filed 05/31/19 Page 1 of 6 PageID# 913

The Honorable Anthony Trenga
Justice of the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division
Albert V. Bryan U.S. Courthouse
401 Courthouse Square
Alexandria, VA 22314
May 28, 2019
Dear Judge Trenga,
During the contempt hearing on May 16, 2019, this Honorable Court
directed me to take the
opportunity during my confinement to reflect on my principles with
respect to the institution of
grand juries in the United States. This letter responds to that directive.
During the hearing, you stated that there exists “no dishonor” in
providing evidence to a grand
jury. You suggested that codification of grand juries in the text of
the U.S. Constitution provided
ample justification for this institution. In response to my suggestion
of “preliminary” or
“committal” hearings, you expressed skepticism over whether such
publicly held hearings served
the same purpose without damaging innocent people accused of crimes.
These arguments are raised frequently in discussions about the
problems with grand juries. They
are certainly not novel to me. Over the last decade, I frequently
considered these and many other
arguments while forming my opinions about the grand jury process.
After spending the last two
weeks reflecting on my decision not to testify before this grand jury,
I wish to present my
position in a more careful and complete manner than an impromptu
colloquy can provide. After
working with lawyers and researchers, I can also now cite specific
sources that support my
position.
First, I shall compare grand juries in their earliest form, including
the ideals and practical
problems they sought to address, to grand juries as they currently
operate. Second I want to
clarify that while my objection to grand juries emphasizes their
historical use against activists, I
also view grand juries as an institution that now undermines due
process even when used as
intended.
The drafters of the U.S. Constitution, despite their many flaws,
possessed a sophisticated
understanding of modern political theory. The framers did not set out
to short-circuit due process
protections. Obviously, to a contemporary reader, we now understand
the many flaws and
compromises in the Constitution, and see some as inherently cruel and
indefensible: legal human
slavery; the legalizing of subordinate civil status for women;
segregation; and the
disenfranchisement of those who did not own land come to mind.
Some such practices might have struck contemporaries of the
Constitution as “normal” or
“necessary,” but with the passage of time, and through the tireless
work of millions of people
taking bold and dangerous action, they are now obsolete. I am
certainly not alone in thinking that
the grand jury process, which at one time acted as an independent body
of citizens along the lines

1

 Case 1:19-dm-00012-AJT Document 14-1 Filed 05/31/19 Page 2 of 6 PageID# 914

of a civilian police review board, slowly transitioned into the
unbridled arm of the police and
prosecution in ways that run contrary to the grand jury’s originally
intended purposes. 1
The 5th Amendment provides many of our most cherished procedural
safeguards, concepts
foundational to our criminal legal system, including ‘due process,’ a
prohibition on double
jeopardy, and the right against compelled self-incrimination. The
grand jury is also enshrined in
the fifth amendment, however, prior to the recent publicity
surrounding the Mueller investigation,
most Americans only knew two things about the grand jury.
First, people hear that a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich.
Early grand 

Re: us - public system

2019-12-17 Thread other.arkitech
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, December 16, 2019 11:14 PM, Zenaan Harkness  
wrote:

> I am largely DC illiterate, so I shall only respond to 1 or 2 points.
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 03:53:09PM +, other.arkitech wrote:
>
> > > Let's take example public health:
> > > Public implies a system applied to everybody.
> > > Libertarians/ voluntarists/ anarchists, usually say nothing should be
> > > compulsory, all should be voluntary.
> > > So public health means "many people contributing to a money pool, so
> > > those people who get sick and do not have money, can get medical
> > > care".
> > > OK, so compulsory taxation is a mechanism.
> > > Voluntary donations is another mechanism.
> > > When we have a "universal" system - e.g. every txn is taxed, and tax
> > > goes into a pool, then we must think about how to allocate the money
> > > from that pool - public medical care, national defence, etc, and who
> > > gets to make those decisions - and these sound like really
> > > fundamental questions which we should probably think about, before
> > > jumping into a particular technical proposal.
> >
> > The top level main loop can be: (executed every consensus cycle (1 minute))
> > 1.- all accounts are seen by the consensus public algorithm, who is in 
> > charge of modifying balances upon cryptographical evidence (transactions).
> > 2.- Fees are accumulating as tx are being settled.
>
> Even step 2 is beyond my ability to comprehend - sorry, I really am a
> DC newbie. I don't understand "fees are accumulating".
>
> My limited understanding of BTC is that nodes are computers, which do
> the BTC tx calculations, and they get a fee for doing these
> calculations. My understanding might be wrong.


when a transaction arrives to validating nodes (which know all balances of all 
accounts and have the capacity to alter them), they do 2 things:
1.- alter the balances of the implying accounts (in US-PUBLIC SYSTEM aka "usps")
spend utxos and create new ones (bitcoin)
2.- alter balance of inputs to take a fee. This fee goes to a place in  



































 

Re: Harpers: Click Here to Kill - The dark world of online murder markets

2019-12-17 Thread jim bell
 This is presumably the article that Brian Merchant contacted me while writing. 
 I have a response, but given the long length of the article itself, it will 
take a few days to write up.  
              Jim Bell
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 08:34:23 AM PST, Razer  
wrote:  
 
 
>I'd rather be slaughtering the rich, but you know how Merica works.
Indoctrinated to victimize other victims.

>Rr

https://harpers.org/archive/2020/01/click-here-to-kill-dark-web-hitman/
  

Harpers: Click Here to Kill - The dark world of online murder markets

2019-12-17 Thread Razer

I'd rather be slaughtering the rich, but you know how Merica works.
Indoctrinated to victimize other victims.

Rr

https://harpers.org/archive/2020/01/click-here-to-kill-dark-web-hitman/



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Re: the leader of scalable cryptocurrency

2019-12-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 06:07:25AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638_Jpp2Rq8
>   enjoy

OMG, like OMG "bright maroon lapels" is -such- an OMG brilliant
coin marketing strategy!

Wish I'd thought o' that :(

I know, I know - I bags "TwoCoin", since OneCoin seems to have
somehow, for some, like totally unknown reason OMG, slipped off the
radar like.

How about we go with bright orange lapels to differentiate TwoCoin?

YEAH!

D: D: OMG Winning "bright orange" Strategy OMG :D :D


Re: Assassination Politics AP

2019-12-17 Thread grarpamp
Murder has been around since humanity, same as war
and all other concoctions of immoral force initiated, so
AP is not really any sort of new news upon the world.
Whether it come from Tyrant King, be distributed by
"democracy" as "law", or goes down in a back alley,
of the intertubes... makes little difference there.

And like nuclear weapons, in time someone would
have thought it up, and many will attempt to tinker
with such gadgets until finding the magic combination
that goes boom. Old news.

What is interesting is that AP depends on a
first proof of concept in order to have any
future influence capability. And that each
higher level of influence via its own 1st PoC
adds efficacy surety to all levels of influence
below it. Yet given some experience the world
already has with diabolical machines, and AP
being such a machine, proving in AP may be
unlikely to ever reach murder level, particularly
if lower levels are already providing effective influence
in widespread fashion upon society... the threat of
an already functional system may deter.
ie: AP may be no more "scary" than already nukes,
kings, governments, law, thugs, etc. And might
end up being more moral.

Assuming that one of the levels of influence
may in fact end up being a murder, consider also
that it may be quite unlikely that any sort of
anarchist, libertarian, voluntaryist, etc
would ever take part in its design and operation
due to their superceding belief in the NAP.

Alternatively, consider how millions of others
in world would surely accept a single instance
of proof as necessary to achieve otherwise
peaceful influences thereafter. Thus this cohort
may be far more likely to be the gadgeteers.

In general, consider the various lines of rational
or irrational thinking required to actually launch
such a device. And that history certainly shows
politicians love to develop and launch such
colossal weapons against each other.

Analysis of AP question seems quite related to
nuclear M.A.D. question, game theory, etc.


Mrs. Patrick Bateman

2019-12-17 Thread Ryan Carboni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn#Controversial_statements_about_Tate-LaBianca_murders

Dohrn said, "First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the
same room with them, then they even shoved a fork into the pig Tate's
stomach! Wild!"





I would not be surprised that Dohrn and Obama attended the same orgy.


Phys.Org: How to use entanglement for long-distance or free-space quantum communication

2019-12-17 Thread jim bell
Phys.Org: How to use entanglement for long-distance or free-space quantum 
communication.
https://phys.org/news/2019-12-entanglement-long-distance-free-space-quantum.html