Re: Who to send back

2000-05-02 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tom Vogt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I won't copy the entire text of "The Ultimate Resource" here. Anyway, the notion of "finite resources" is dumb. All resources are infinite. The Earth is round. Deal with it. "all resources are infinite" - may I quote you next time my

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-28 Thread Tom Vogt
I won't copy the entire text of "The Ultimate Resource" here. Anyway, the notion of "finite resources" is dumb. All resources are infinite. The Earth is round. Deal with it. "all resources are infinite" - may I quote you next time my machine runs out of memory? maybe it'll be impressed. I'll

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-27 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "David Honig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:04 PM 4/25/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote: Irrelevant. We're not interested in bacteria, but in humans. The difference between bacteria and humans is that some humans think they're different. Meat is meat. I'm a Christian.

Re: Who to send back/only anarchist

2000-04-27 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just so you know, I believe the moral thing for Elian's father to have done was to hire some skilled people--perhaps ex-Spetsnaz--and go in to the Lorenzo and Maryslices home and taken Elian. Once Elian was safely out of the house,

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-27 Thread David Honig
At 02:19 AM 4/27/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote: The difference between bacteria and humans is that some humans think they're different. Meat is meat. I'm a Christian. These arguments don't hold water to me. Try Tim. Well, admitting your irrationality is a good start. But we're talking

Re: Who to send back (ecotones)

2000-04-27 Thread Jim Burnes
Tim May wrote: At 12:42 PM -0400 4/26/00, Jim Burnes wrote: Starvation and privation in most of Africa is almost a stereotype. Stick with a minimal government and something approaching english common law and we have goods and happiness aplenty. There are some interesting issues

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tom Vogt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] someone calculated that to supply the standard-of-living of canada today to every person on the globe would require the natural resources of two additional earths. I can look up the source if someone wants it. "Someone" is an idiot. Read

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Tom Vogt
Marcel Popescu wrote: Irrelevant. We're not interested in bacteria, but in humans. And we're not interested in 7 billion years from now on, but in (at most) the next hundred years. Given the current technology, we could feed probably 1,000 billion people, and there's room for much more than

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Tim May
at the current standard of living for canada, we would ALREADY need two ADDITIONAL earths to sustain the CURRENT world population. even without a change in standards of living, given current growth and the nature of exponential functions, we will exhaust this planet's resources ca. 200 years

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Tim May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep. Good bye. Look, everyone, I'm putting him in my killfile too! [I can't do that without saying it publicly, this would ruin the effect, right?] Tim, I used to admire you. Sadly, it looks that I'm the only fucking anarchist left on

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread David Honig
At 01:04 PM 4/25/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote: Irrelevant. We're not interested in bacteria, but in humans. The difference between bacteria and humans is that some humans think they're different. Meat is meat. And some of the humans think that, because a few percent has achieved z.p.g.

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread David Honig
At 12:42 PM 4/26/00 -0400, Jim Burnes wrote: Please, Tom. This is really getting tired. Malthus' theories were disproven years ago. Technology increases the population carrying capacity of the planet. Polynomial vs. exponential growth. Exponential wins every time. Besides, the genes are

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Jim Burnes
David Honig wrote: At 12:42 PM 4/26/00 -0400, Jim Burnes wrote: Please, Tom. This is really getting tired. Malthus' theories were disproven years ago. Technology increases the population carrying capacity of the planet. Polynomial vs. exponential growth. Exponential wins every time.

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Reese
At 03:34 AM 26/04/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote: Marcel Popescu wrote: Irrelevant. We're not interested in bacteria, but in humans. And we're not interested in 7 billion years from now on, but in (at most) the next hundred years. Given the current technology, we could feed probably 1,000 billion

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Reese
At 04:09 PM 26/04/00 -0400, David Honig wrote: At 12:42 PM 4/26/00 -0400, Jim Burnes wrote: Please, Tom. This is really getting tired. Malthus' theories were disproven years ago. Technology increases the population carrying capacity of the planet. Polynomial vs. exponential growth.

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-26 Thread Tim May
At 12:42 PM -0400 4/26/00, Jim Burnes wrote: Starvation and privation in most of Africa is almost a stereotype. Stick with a minimal government and something approaching english common law and we have goods and happiness aplenty. There are some interesting issues normally neglected in the

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-25 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "David Honig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:04 PM 4/21/00 -0400, david wrote: Over population is junk science. Sorry, can't let this one go. Over population is physics, its why evolution works, its the sigmoid curve, its dying in your own pollution. You may argue

Re: Who to send back

2000-04-25 Thread Craig Brozefsky
"Marcel Popescu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read some Julian Simon. (BTW, if you look at the decaying ratio between the prices of commodities and real salaries from the other side, it means that the average price of labor *raises* compared to the price of commodities, so we have an