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2003-02-03 Thread professor rat
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Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
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Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

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2003-02-03 Thread professor rat
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2003-02-03 Thread professor rat
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2003-02-03 Thread professor rat
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2003-02-03 Thread professor rat
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Gullible Journalists

2003-02-03 Thread Tyler Durden
John Kelsey wrote... For some reason I've never been able to fathom, many journalists seem to be remarkably gullable, when they're told something from the right kind of source, especially a government agency or other official source. Chomsky (dig around on http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm) and

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You just KNOW this wouldn't happen outside Texas. Or maybe Louisiana.

2003-02-03 Thread professor rat
With every passing day, my desire to nuke the South gets stronger... You just KNOW this wouldn't happen outside Texas. Or maybe Louisiana. It seems the US Department of Justice is launching a probe into the policies of a Texas Tech professor. Michael Dini, to be specific. He teaches biology.

Re: Gullible Journalists

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On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:31:35AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: I'm exagerating for effect here of course...there's possibly not as much conscious decision making, and supposedly this kind of list-making happens for much quieter, insider stuff (not smart bomb footage). But clearly, there's

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Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
Yeah, I got the same thing. When I went to do a group reply, it had no CC:, just Steve. I've been noticing the same thing with Declan's messages. Weird. On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 11:15:19PM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Ralph Seberry wrote: On Sunday, 02

Re: Carter's statement yesterday

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 08:38:48AM -0500, Alkesh M. Desai wrote: http://news.google.com/news?hl=enq=carter http://news.google.com/news?q=cluster:www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.html http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.html

Re: Gullible Journalists

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
test On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:13:16AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:31:35AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: I'm exagerating for effect here of course...there's possibly not as much conscious decision making, and supposedly this kind of list-making happens for

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2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the recipient list suppressed or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just appears that something is wrong with the header, and it's probably something minder.net is doing and I haven't done a group reply to anyone else

Shuttle Crash and KH satelites...

2003-02-03 Thread André Esteves
Several years ago, some tiles got off the shuttle during liftoff. Being afraid of the condition of space shuttle a Keyhole spy satelite was used to examine the bottom of the space shuttle... Why hell in a mission with more than 16 days in space, they didn't do it again? The KH satellites too

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Thomas Shaddack
...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick...

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:18 AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick... First, if they are eating shuttle

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote: ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick... Gee golly! I'm so glad that CNN told me that the space

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Re: mail weirdness

2003-02-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:19 AM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the recipient list suppressed or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just appears that something is wrong with the header, and it's probably something minder.net is doing

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:48 AM 2/3/03 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: This isn't to say that force majeure isn't the most likely culprit here. Space travel is inherently dangerous, and I'm honestly surprised that less than 2% of our shuttle flights have resulted in catastrophe. I heard that at the beginning of the

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2003-02-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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Re: mail weirdness

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:23:58AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 10:19 AM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the recipient list suppressed or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just appears that something is wrong

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Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits

2003-02-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:18 PM 2/3/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick... Yeah, first thing some people will do with space

Re: checking weirdness

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Tyler Durden wrote: And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I keep hearing there's video of that bust.)

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2003-02-03 Thread Tyler Durden
Ken Brown wrote... Oh, PERSISTENT rumours eh? So they must be true. The TRANSIENT sort are just a pack of lies. No, not saying that. But in Bush's case there's a long enough trail of circumstatial evidence to merit some investigation.e AND, totally unfounded rumors tend to go away. Rumors

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Re: checking weirdness

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
Huh, so you're subbed to minder.net? And there's never been any problem with group replies to your posts. So that blows that theory. On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:52:27AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: So what do we get here -- Harmon Seaver

Re: Gullible Journalists

2003-02-03 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tyler Durden wrote: For some reason I've never been able to fathom, many journalists seem to be remarkably gullable, when they're told something from the right kind of source, especially a government agency or other official source. Chomsky (dig around on http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm) and

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2003-02-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Bill Stewart wrote: Tim commented about railroad stations being in the ugly parts of town. That's driven by several things - decay of the inner cities, as cars and commuter trains have let businesses move out to suburbs, and also the difference between railroad stations that were built for

Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Thomas Shaddack wrote: I just hope they won't mothball the ISS... Not if the scheduled Chinese manned launch goes ahead.

Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Steve Mynott wrote: In the UK at least railway stations tend to have been built in the ugly parts of towns for good reason -- simply because land is a lot cheaper in the low rent parts of town. Also railways stations and the associated cheap hotels with a large transient population tend to

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Gold star. Velvet Underground is definitely ground zero for Punk to my ears, but with this recent set of pre-Velvets minimalist releases (eg, Dream Theater, with LaMount Young, John Cale--who helped start the band I was in, and others), the stage was somewhat set. Yeah, yeah, yeah; I loved

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Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Anonymous
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Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 12:06:02PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: It's easier to just say Allah is on his side and this is proof :-) Well? Even if they could *prove* total accident, the serendipity of the whole shows the hand of Allah -- Eve of war, Israeli colonel who bombed the Iraqi nuke

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Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

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On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 05:01:41PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The biggest question there is why didn't they inspect it? Seems very bizarre, since that's what they did in the past. All the KH-71s were busy mapping Iraq's oil fields and photographing Saddam's nose hairs. Eric

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Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:28:10PM -0800, Eric Murray wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 05:01:41PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: The biggest question there is why didn't they inspect it? Seems very bizarre, since that's what they did in the past. All the KH-71s were busy mapping Iraq's

Re: CDR: Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?

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On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Ken Brown wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I

Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-03 Thread Tyler Durden
That's redundant in the modern US. Too bad; there needs to be a counterbalance to the right-wing control freaks, but the left just isn't up to it. Good comment. Indeed, the only thing the Democrats seem to stand for is that they aren't republicans. Meanwhile, the economics of the 'real' left

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Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

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On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: The biggest question there is why didn't they inspect it? Seems very bizarre, since that's what they did in the past. That's what they _reported_ later that they did in the past...there certainly was no public announcement

Placing Backdoors Through Firewalls

2003-02-03 Thread Steve Schear
http://www.thehackerschoice.com/papers/fw-backd.htm Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. -- Richard P. Feynman

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-03 Thread R. A. Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 9:42 PM + on 1/19/03, Malcolm Carlock wrote: I must admit it also seems very strange that the shuttle couldn't have been examined while docked to the ISS. It wasn't docked there. It was in a completely different orbit, and higher up to

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Yeah, but most pilots, if they suspected an even semi-serious breach of their craft's integrity, *AND* had the ability to fairly safely send someone outside to have a looksee, wouldn't hesitate a moment before doing so. They've been delayed by

Re: CDR: Re: Carter's statement yesterday

2003-02-03 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Alif The Terrible wrote: Yeah, like I would trust Colin Powell on *anything*. Remember, this is the same guy who denied that My Lai had happened, issuing a public statement that relations between the United States and the South Vietnamese are excellent. Nepotism seems to

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 06:17 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Flying another shuttle to them while people were still alive would have been impossible, of course, so much for a reusable space-truck on a rapid turnaround, and, even if it wasn't, I don't think they even have an airlock aboard

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:21 PM 2/3/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: Had the landing gone OK, we would have been hearing about how NASA had verified that little damage had occurred. Now, it's we didn't have a chance to look, but even if we had, there was nothing anyone could do, so we didn't look. One wonders whether

The Statism Meme

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
OK, so I watch a lot of t.v., or at least have t.v. dramas on a lot. I'm struck by how many of them this year treat civil liberties as gone, either as old-fashioned or as just plain ignorable. * On the episodes of Law and Order (three different versions weekly, often repeated on other nights),

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