On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is a response to the claim was that the Panther's repression of internal
dissent was somehow a result of CIA mindrays making them do evil things.
They did evil things because they were bad people.
What a simplistic and self serving viewpoint.
--
I find it much more plausible that commies did bad things, things
characteristic of commies, because they were bad people.
Faustine
True: but then there's always the gray area of exactly what's done in the
name of what bad people deserve that keeps me uneasy about the whole
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On 16 Jul 2001, at 15:52, wrote: James A. Donald:
The black panthers were torn apart because they murdered
dissidents
Faustine
My point was the feds didn't have to murder anybody--play them off
each other and they do it to themselves.
If they were the kind of people who
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Besides the obvious hypocricy, part of that comes from the unfortunate
tendency to care about what's close to home at the expense of a more
significant larger picture. Come to think of it, I can't believe more isn't
on the web about the horrors of the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#
#The blank panthers and the rest were opposed to the
#bourgeois democratic process.
Is that some sort of excuse for the treatment I listed?
Jim wrote:
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there are plenty of SDS and
Black Panthers running around today, the vast majority
never went to jail.
Faustine:
Of course they didn't. The bottom line is that their organizations
were torn apart by operations conducted against them,
This is incorrect. The black
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there are plenty of SDS and
Black Panthers running around today, the vast majority never
went to jail.
Faustine:
Of course they didn't. The bottom line is that their
organizations were torn apart by operations conducted against
them,
James A. Donald:
This is
Faustine wrote:
Um, you should review the 60's groups like the SDS and such.
Exactly: those weren't the groups that made the real impact when it
actually came to getting down to business and changing policy. Blame
MKULTRA or whatever you want, but the bottom line is that they fell apart
Faustine wrote:
Um, you should review the 60's groups like the SDS and such.
Exactly: those weren't the groups that made the real impact when it
actually came to getting down to business and changing policy. Blame
MKULTRA or whatever you want, but the bottom line is that they fell apart
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Jim wrote:
Ghandi. Womens Sufferage (US). Jim Crow Laws (US). Vietnam. Civil Rights
in the 60's.
The point being, there are plenty of historical precidence where this
sort
of behaviour has led directly to the change desired by the protestors
against
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote:
They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite
awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real*
troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an affinity squad will
target that individual. By making it very difficult to
.
illegal operations really accomplish apart from getting out a
The point of the bloc noir attire is to attempt establishing anonymity
in meatspace.
Sure, but to what end? It's hardly an irrelevant question...
This is the issue we're discussing, and it's strictly
orthogonal to protester's other
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:30:42PM -0400, Faustine wrote:
Fine. So how much anonymity do you anticipate having after the feds squirt
a little of some new nonlethal substance straight down the middle of the
thing and your vinegar hankies just aren't up to it? Go ahead, rack
Right. That's
Faustine FUDed:
And IMHO the best way to achieve anonymity in meatspace? A great place to
start would be by not deliberately engaging in possibly illegal operations
on the street in an environment full of police. You're doomed before you
ever get started. But I could be wrong. Don't say I
somebody behind a remailer wrote:
And IMHO the best way to achieve anonymity in meatspace? A great place to
start would be by not deliberately engaging in possibly illegal operations
on the street in an environment full of police. You're doomed before you
ever get started. But I could be wrong
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Can you see a fundamental difference between activism/protest/resistance
that makes a difference and illegal operations on the street in an
environment full of police?
What's the point of putting yourself into a situation where you have no
chance
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:22:12PM -0400, Faustine wrote:
Who's more likely to make a difference at the WTO: a) someone outside,
throwing golf balls at the building b) someone inside, presenting
compelling arguments to the assembly and individual delegates
Of those two choices, probably the
Jim wrote:
Ghandi. Womens Sufferage (US). Jim Crow Laws (US). Vietnam. Civil Rights
in the 60's.
The point being, there are plenty of historical precidence where this sort
of behaviour has led directly to the change desired by the protestors
against a much better armed and entrenched foe.
It
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Faustine wrote:
Jim wrote:
Ghandi. Womens Sufferage (US). Jim Crow Laws (US). Vietnam. Civil Rights
in the 60's.
The point being, there are plenty of historical precidence where this sort
of behaviour has led directly to the change desired by the protestors
against
Faustine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To make it clear, I'm not a member of the Black Blocs, associated with
them in any way, nor do I think the tactic is effective. I was asking
Sampo if he was being sarcastic in his association of this tactic with
an anarchist ideology of any value.
Frankly, I
]]On Behalf Of Craig Brozefsky
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:37 PM
To: Faustine
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Meatspace anonymity manual
Faustine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To make it clear, I'm not a member of the Black Blocs, associated with
them in any way, nor do I think the tactic
Ray Dillinger wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
the protection afforded by Black Blocs is quite thin (just indict them under
organized crime or gang laws),
The similar clothing is enough to charge with gang membership and invoke
RICO. Also, the 'black bloc' tactic has
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote:
They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite
awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real*
troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an affinity squad will
target that individual. By making it very difficult to
Sampo Syreeni wrote:
The only logical conclusion I can see to skirmishes between black-clad
anarchists, going on street operations, and governmental riot control
forces, is that the police are eventually given the right to just gun the
protestors down, irregardless of whether they have
On 6 Jul 2001, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
So are you being sarcastic or are you really failing to understand that
Black Blocs are a short-term tactic for possibly illegal operations on the
street in an environment full of police, and not some demonstrative symbol
of anarchist philosophy representing
On 6 Jul 2001, Craig Brozefsky wrote:
So are you being sarcastic or are you really failing to understand that
Black Blocs are a short-term tactic for possibly illegal operations on the
street in an environment full of police, and not some demonstrative symbol
of anarchist philosophy representing
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
the protection afforded by Black Blocs is quite thin (just indict them under
organized crime or gang laws),
The similar clothing is enough to charge with gang membership and invoke
RICO. Also, the 'black bloc' tactic has 'premeditated' written all
Black Blockers are willing to operate in ways diametrically opposed to the
core anachist ideology, the whole thing seems both clueless and
Bullshit. The anarchist ideology (which is a stupid assertion in itself)
does not comprise of standing on the road alone to be run over by the
truck.
At 09:36 AM 7/7/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
The similar clothing is enough to charge with gang membership and invoke
RICO.
I love it. If my kid goes to public school, he'll be prohibited from wearing
= 50% black clothing as that would indicate sympathy with an UnAmerican
Activity.
Sampo Syreeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Anonymous Coredump wrote:
THE BLACK BLOC The whole idea of a Black Bloc is that people wear all
black, and stay in a tight formation. If people don't stay in formation,
and wander around with large gaps in-between, well, that's
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