Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-10-13 Thread Kevin Elliott
-- James A. Donald Increasingly however, we see smartcard interfaces sold for PCs. What for, I wonder? On 24 Sep 2002 at 1:41, Bill Stewart wrote: I'm not convinced that the number of people selling them is closely related to the number of people buying; this could be another

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-10-13 Thread Kevin Elliott
Hey don't forget you can still buy a smart card reader from that most cypherpunkish of babes BRITNEY SPEARS ! Only $30 ! https://www.visiblevisitors.com/mltest/order_form.asp -- _ Remember Kids- Somebody tries to kill you, you try and kill'em

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-28 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 07:27:36PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: On Friday 27 September 2002 18:53, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Besides, its computers we have to ban, then the internet problem goes away too, see... No, that won't do it. People could still spread their dissentious ideas

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-28 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:53 PM 09/27/2002 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: Forget the pencils and pens, just ban paper. Or perhaps a step in the right direction would be to ban all paper except that made from hemp, thereby solving numerous problems at the stroke of a (gasp) pen. You don't need to do that - just

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-28 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:39 PM 9/27/02 -0500, Lisa wrote: I didn't suggest that they should be banned. I simply stated that this was one consumer usage of the smart card reader. Take a stress pill, Dave (and pass one this way). B.L. was clearly being sarcastic/rhetorical and no one following the thread would

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-28 Thread Steve Furlong
On Friday 27 September 2002 18:53, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Besides, its computers we have to ban, then the internet problem goes away too, see... No, that won't do it. People could still spread their dissentious ideas by telephone, and photocopy the intellectual property of content

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-28 Thread Adam Stenseth
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: No, that won't do it. People could still spread their dissentious ideas by telephone, and photocopy the intellectual property of content providers. We need to ban electricity, then the problem goes away... But then wouldn't all those

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-28 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 05:22:23PM -0700, Adam Stenseth wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: No, that won't do it. People could still spread their dissentious ideas by telephone, and photocopy the intellectual property of content providers. We need to ban electricity, then

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-27 Thread Peter Gutmann
At most, it'll contain a name+password for HTTP basic-auth (and to identify users to the site so they can be connected with the info they supplied at purchase time). You've spent too long in the crypto world. Having poked around in the FAQ (I can't believe I'm wasting my time on this), it could

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-27 Thread James A. Donald
-- Neil Johnson wrote: Hey don't forget you can still buy a smart card reader from that most cypherpunkish of babes BRITNEY SPEARS ! Only $30 ! https://www.visiblevisitors.com/mltest/order_form.asp James A. Donald: A previous poster suggested that the smart card industry

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-27 Thread Peter Gutmann
James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter Gutmann wrote: All they're doing is reading a URL off a USB dongle (technically a 256-byte I2C memory card plugged into a reader, but in effect the combination is a USB dongle). That's a no-brainer, I can do that with two wires taped to the card

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-27 Thread Peter Gutmann
James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25 Sep 2002 at 18:36, Neil Johnson wrote: Hey don't forget you can still buy a smart card reader from that most cypherpunkish of babes BRITNEY SPEARS ! Only $30 ! https://www.visiblevisitors.com/mltest/order_form.asp A previous poster suggested

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-27 Thread Peter Gutmann
I wrote: The FAQ handwaves the details, so it could be either 1 or 3. Can someone who has one of these things try reading the ATR off it? He Who has No Shame [0] reports that it's a GemClub memory card, which is reasonably similar to the old SLE4428-style cards: 256 bytes of memory, some of it

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-27 Thread Lisa
I didn't suggest that they should be banned. I simply stated that this was one consumer usage of the smart card reader. On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Ben Laurie wrote: Lisa wrote: They are also actively used to modify DirecTV Dish Network access cards to steal service. Damn. We'd better ban

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-26 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 25 Sep 2002 at 18:36, Neil Johnson wrote: Hey don't forget you can still buy a smart card reader from that most cypherpunkish of babes BRITNEY SPEARS ! Only $30 ! https://www.visiblevisitors.com/mltest/order_form.asp A previous poster suggested that the smart card industry had

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-26 Thread Ben Laurie
Lisa wrote: They are also actively used to modify DirecTV Dish Network access cards to steal service. Damn. We'd better ban them then. I've heard this Interweb thingy is used to steal content - should we ban that, too? -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-25 Thread Neil Johnson
Hey don't forget you can still buy a smart card reader from that most cypherpunkish of babes BRITNEY SPEARS ! Only $30 ! https://www.visiblevisitors.com/mltest/order_form.asp

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-24 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:41 AM 9/24/02 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: They're also used for non-cellular phone minutes - Ladatel in Mexico is a big user, and I've worked with some British Telecom folks whose business cards are also 1-pound telephone smartcards. Good lord, they only weigh mere grams here in the states

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-24 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:34 PM 09/23/2002 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: The biggest application of smart cards that I know of are anonymous phone minutes. They're also used for non-cellular phone minutes - Ladatel in Mexico is a big user, and I've worked with some British Telecom folks whose business cards are

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Increasingly however, we see smartcard interfaces sold for PCs. What for, I wonder? Companies buy a few readers for their developers who write software to work with the cards. They may even roll out a few in pilots, and put out a stack of press

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-24 Thread Eric Murray
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 07:12:47PM +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Increasingly however, we see smartcard interfaces sold for PCs. What for, I wonder? A previous company I worked for made a secure smart-card reader chip/system that used smart cards to

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-09-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald Increasingly however, we see smartcard interfaces sold for PCs. What for, I wonder? On 24 Sep 2002 at 1:41, Bill Stewart wrote: I'm not convinced that the number of people selling them is closely related to the number of people buying; this could be another