spook infiltration, deception, diplo meltdown, Germans, Yemenis, US

One wonders how much of the US spook-infiltrator's skills/cover were provided by Lindh to save his butt: WASHINGTON  The sheikh was a devout Muslim whose lifelong ambition was caring for the poor in Yemen, one of the world's most underdeveloped nations. Yet now he needed help himself. His health

psycho-social sim: bombing Al Jazeera 'accidentally'

General Anthony Zinni, a former head of the US Central Command, says: "I wouldn't get sucked into the cities. There would be a lot of casualties on our side, we'd kill a lot of civilians and destroy a lot of infrastructure, and the images on Al Jazeera [television] wouldn't help us at all." One o

US Intel is shit, shit, shit

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/18/iraq/main537096.shtml So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word.

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

Tyler Durden wrote on February 20, 2003 at 12:24:40 -0500: > As for quoting zmag (which I do), it's silly that this indicates a > necessarily leftie/pinko/commie slant. Did you read my full paragraph? Quoting zmag was not the only criteria I mentioned. > Chomsky, a frequent contributor, has desc

Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

Bill Stewart wrote: > He was a Puerto Rican whose native language was Spanish (he was bilingual), > but his name was something like Fred Mueller, so he failed the > Spanish-Surnamed definition used by the bureaucrats. This reminds me of a black acquaintance of mine whose last name was "Garcia."

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minorities"

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:10:11PM -, Tom Veil wrote: > > If you would trade Castro for Bush, you're either a totalitarian monster, or > simply insane. Bush is obviously both. > > In any case, I've added you to my blacklist. Interesting that you have to speak from behind a remaile

Re: [more car-trivia] Re: To Steve Schear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

--- Adam Back <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as evolutionary pressures, aggressive and > fast driving is far > more dangerous, however adrenaline inducingly fun > that may be. Depends on one's strategy. When riding a motorcycle, there are two aggressive driving principles I observe at al

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

At 09:48 PM 02/18/2003 -0500, Major Variola (ret) wrote: MEChA is mostly about keeping college admission standards lower for South American-derived wannabe students[1]. [...] [1] Not hispanics; they don't care about Iberians A number of years ago, a friend of my boss had been passed over for admiss

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minorities"

Harmon Seaver wrote on February 20, 2003 at 12:55:08 -0600: > On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:13:45PM -, Tom Veil wrote: > > > Harmon Seaver wrote on February 19, 2003 at 19:20:19 -0600: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: > > > > > > > > After scanning hyperpoem.ne

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

> > But other people might be encline to tag along anyway. A reputation > > No, because unless someone signs your stuff of their free [...] I'm not looking at this on a crypto POV, but from a human nature POV. > my trust level is around zero. If I've been glowingly > endorsed by other > nyms i

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minorities"

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, James A. Donald wrote: > Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. That's because they make better slaves than fertilizer. The real trick is to make the slaves think they have a great deal, then the controllers get more power and less trouble. Unfortunately, this re

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

At 11:04 AM -0800 2/21/03, John Kelsey wrote: >Social programs in general work this way. It was a goodie being handed out >once, but now, it looks to the people involved like a necessity, and >they'll fight hard to keep it. This is just as true of social security and >farm subsidies as of welfare

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

At 11:13 AM 2/21/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: ... However, one way to see the situation is more of a buy-off. Arguably, the government plunders in order to "pay off" welfare society, because if they didn't the masses would rise up and kill off the system that does not really do much to equip th

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

"The reality is even more weird, I think. Suppose there's some struggling-to-make-it new family down the street, and I start helping out by bringing them dinner every night. If I do it for a few days, e.g., while the mom is in the hospital or something, it's a genuine act of kindness. If I d

Citibank Tries to Suppress ATM Hacks

Two Cambridge University researchers, Mike Bond and Piotr Zielinski, have devised a way to hack the hardware security modules used in ATMs and Point of Sale terminals, in order to recover a PIN in 15 tries. These sealed units read the strip on the card, do something with the account number using s

Re: Creeds and Thoughtcrime

It's becoming more and more apparant that this is indeed a religious crusade. Seems to me that anyone in the gov't, whether elected or hireling, who utters any sort of religious sentiments is guilty of a hate crime. Dubbya needs to be hauled off to the Hague for his rhetoric alone -- especially

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

> From: "Vincent Penquerc'h" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yeah, and too much freedom is as bad as too much slavery. > > Right, bub. > > Capitalism would only work if people weren't ready to fuck others > like communism would work too for the same reasons. Rational beings are self-interested. Its Na

Re: To Steve Schear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:31:45PM -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: > At 8:32 PM -0800 2/20/03, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > >[Aside] I recently learned that back before you needed a license to drive > >(ca 1930) > >you would manually adjust the spark timing (!!) according to your engine > >speed. > >Afte

Re: To Steve Schear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:32:43PM -0500, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Carburetor? Didn't that connect to the phonograph through a cat's whisker? Carburetor is French for "leave it alone". While only one of my cars is old enough to have a carb, all but one of the 10 or so motorcycles in the g

Re: FYI: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken. (fwd)

At 6:15 PM +0100 on 2/21/03, Eugen Leitl wrote: > Tee-hee. Tentacle. ;-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and a

[more car-trivia] Re: To Steve Schear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

Bill Frantz wrote: > And, I still am willing to work on my brake systems. Replacing pads > on a disk brake unit is a lot easier than replacing drums. Agree it's easier, and there is very little to get wrong changing disk brakes -- remove a couple of bolts, using some leverage push the pistons bac

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

> of your interaction history with others. A nym who's lying > too much will > have accrue negative mana very quickly. But other people might be encline to tag along anyway. A reputation system will identify nyms with bad reputation alright, but how will people *use* this system ? Favorable repu

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minoritie s"

-- On 20 Feb 2003 at 16:09, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: > Ah yeah, the good old front against communists. Some people > haven't learned that political views aren't what makes one a > bastard. Commies *must* be bad, you see ? Too much capitalism > is as bad as too much communism. Highly capitalis

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

"If I've been glowingly endorsed by other nyms in good standing (check graph for circlejerk caveat) my reputation is positive. People with really bad mana would tend to camouflage as players with no transaction, so being a new player will always suck. You'll get rewarded by sticking to your nym,

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

At 10:27 AM 2/21/2003 +, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: > Yeah, and too much freedom is as bad as too much slavery. > Right, bub. Capitalism would only work if people weren't ready to fuck others like communism would work too for the same reasons. Like anarchy. Like anything. Depending on the time,

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minoritie s"

at Friday, February 21, 2003 4:44 PM, James A. Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say: > Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. but their highly capitalist companies sometimes do. is this a meaningful distinction?

FYI: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken. (fwd)

Tee-hee. -- Forwarded message -- Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.leitl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213501267FD for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:36:43 +0100 (CET

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

At 10:27 AM 2/21/2003 +, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Well, for some strange reason, my .sig didn't append. Here it is. "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From t

Re: To Steve Schear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

At 8:32 PM -0800 2/20/03, Major Variola (ret) wrote: >[Aside] I recently learned that back before you needed a license to drive >(ca 1930) >you would manually adjust the spark timing (!!) according to your engine >speed. >After handcranking the engine to start. Yes, and you got a broken arm if you

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

> You're assuming a static agent model. Iterative interactions of smart > mutually identifyable agents would trend towards increasingly benign > cooperation. That in turn assumes that the population is homogeneous. There is overwhelming probability that a group will form around some people, who h

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: > > You're assuming a static agent model. Iterative interactions of smart > > mutually identifyable agents would trend towards increasingly benign > > cooperation. > > That in turn assumes that the population is homogeneous. There is Not at all. Of

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

Maybe they were working together. - Original Message - From: "Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil > >What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? > > The rancor part. Let's take

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: > But other people might be encline to tag along anyway. A reputation No, because unless someone signs your stuff of their free will they'd have to extract a secret (ideally) lodged in a tamperproof hardware token, or break the cryptosystem, or coerc

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? The rancor part. Let's take your line of reasoning another step. Imagine you get robbed at gunpoint by some masked caucasian. He steals your Ventura watch as well as all your $$$. As you cry and bawl like a little bitch you see the guy ta

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

Peter Capelli wrote... "Thats a pretty poor analogy. Perhaps a better one is where the robber was first *asked* to steal my watch, (as I could obviously afford another one) and then gave it to someone else. And in fact, if this recipient kept the watch, knowing full well that it had been taken

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

- Original Message - From: "Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil > > > >What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? > > The rancor part. Let's take your line of reasoning anothe

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

> Yeah, and too much freedom is as bad as too much slavery. > Right, bub. Capitalism would only work if people weren't ready to fuck others like communism would work too for the same reasons. Like anarchy. Like anything. Depending on the time, I tend to lean either towards anarchy or towards democ

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: > Capitalism would only work if people weren't ready to fuck others > like communism would work too for the same reasons. Like anarchy. You're assuming a static agent model. Iterative interactions of smart mutually identifyable agents would trend tow

Re: Creeds and Thoughtcrime

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 09:33:20AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > Ashcroft is saying "the group's creed rejects any peaceful solution" > (of the Palestinian situation). Right... http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/20/national/20CND-INDICT.html "We make no distinction between those who carry out terrorist at

Re: To Steve Shear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

Back when the term "hackers" started to be misused by the press, as in "scary teenage vandals breaking into computers", my usual comment was that teenage computer hackers were really no different from the teenage car hackers of our parents' generations. They did a lot of tinkering with machinery an

Re: To Steve Schear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress

(This is mostly ruminations on car hacks and adds little to the original thread about physically linking responsibility to effects.) First let me ack my sincere respect for folks like Eric C who work on (rather than tinker/hack/meddle, since he's still alive) their car's brakes or other life-crit

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minoritie s"

At 4:09 PM + on 2/20/03, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: > Too much capitalism is as bad as too much communism. That's semantically equivalent to saying that too much economics is as bad as too much totalitarianism... Cheers, RAH "Capitalism", being, of course, Marxist argot for "economics"...

Proposed PATRIOT2 lets foreign govts wiretap americans

See p 19. http://www.privacy.org/patriot2draft.pdf USG to trap, trace, and tap Americans' communications on request of a foreign govt. The draft analysis *actually says* that this is done so that foreign govts will cooperate with US requests. --- Shuttle tile damage? "Better put some ice on t

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and "minorities"

Tyler Durden wrote on February 17, 2003 at 20:53:14 -0500: > Tim Veil wrote... > > >Because the money that is "given" to them through these unconstitutional > >federal gravy-train programs was stolen from me, and millions of other > >taxpayers at gunpoint. > > Again, I'm not sure why this results