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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

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On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:27:06PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: I can't imagine that it would be so difficult to construct a small, remotely-controlled, gyro stabilized, tethered probe that would be carried on all shuttle missions and could be deployed from the cargo bay to closely inspect

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Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-02 Thread Bill Frantz
At 8:27 PM -0800 2/2/03, Steve Schear wrote: As some friends in the U.S. space program had privately predicted, and the New York Times is today reporting, unless the problem with the Shuttle can be quickly identified and convincingly rectified to worried legislators, the International Space

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-02 Thread John Kelsey
At 10:19 AM 2/2/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. Well, the bit about 18 times the speed of light, and

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-02 Thread Tim May
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Re: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-02-02 Thread Bill Stewart
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Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-02 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Tim May wrote: Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an information slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light. Yes, speed of light. This same slug has since appeared

Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-02 Thread Ken Hirsch
From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the Columbia to be a constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have probably already flagged any transactions which mention space shuttle and Columbia to be illegal thoughtcrime

Re: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-02-02 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 11:32:08AM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: The big pollution issues with ethanol are in growing the corn, sugar, etc. that's used to brew the stuff, fermenting it, and distilling it. There's no *real* pollution (toxic

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Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-02 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:21 PM 01/31/2003 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know how it works in the US, but railroads are both comfortable and pretty reliable in Europe. A bit too expensive, especially in Germany. I also like being able to work on the train -- given

RE: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-02 Thread Steve Mynott
Bill Stewart Tim commented about railroad stations being in the ugly parts of town. That's driven by several things - decay of the inner cities, as cars and commuter trains have let businesses move out to suburbs, and also the difference between railroad stations that were built for

Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-02 Thread Tim May
Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as bringing

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Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-02 Thread Bill Frantz
At 10:19 AM -0800 2/2/03, Tim May wrote: Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an information slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light. Yes, speed of light. Please mister spaceman, won't you please take me along for a

Re: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-02-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: The big pollution issues with ethanol are in growing the corn, sugar, etc. that's used to brew the stuff, fermenting it, and distilling it. Ethanol from biomass is complete nonsense. So is biodiesel, given what fuel yield/m^2 is (can make sense for you

Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-02 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:32:01AM -0500, Ken Hirsch wrote: I don't think there are any difficult legal issues involved. If you drop your wallet on someone's property, it is still your wallet. If you crash your car onto somebody's front yard, it's still your car (for better or worse).

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-02 Thread Tyler Durden
Declan: Yes perhaps. I try not to think too much (I don't trust 'thinking' unless its mathematics or a good experimental setup), but I'll ponder for a while, to the extent that I am able -TD From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL

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2003-02-02 Thread Tyler Durden
Jesus H(I assume the 'H' was instered to avert the condemnation of blasphemy)...quite a good post. Heard and duly noted. -TD From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Flaming the Clueless Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:32:47 -0800 (PST) It's common for those

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-02 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an information slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light. Yes, speed of light. Yo Choate! Want to take a crack at this? Please explain using your theories how