Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-03 Thread Michael Motyka
Gold star. Velvet Underground is definitely ground zero for Punk to my ears, but with this recent set of pre-Velvets minimalist releases (eg, Dream Theater, with LaMount Young, John Cale--who helped start the band I was in, and others), the stage was somewhat set. Yeah, yeah, yeah; I

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Gold star. Velvet Underground is definitely ground zero for Punk to my ears, but with this recent set of pre-Velvets minimalist releases (eg, Dream Theater, with LaMount Young, John Cale--who helped start the band I was in, and others), the stage was somewhat set. Yeah, yeah, yeah; I loved

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Gold star. Velvet Underground is definitely ground zero for Punk to my ears, but with this recent set of pre-Velvets minimalist releases (eg, Dream Theater, with LaMount Young, John Cale--who helped start the band I was in, and others), the stage was somewhat set. Yeah, yeah, yeah; I loved

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-02 Thread Tyler Durden
PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: punk and free markets Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:48:40 -0500 On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:33:50PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 01:56 PM 2/2/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Yes perhaps. I try not to think too much (I don't trust 'thinking' unless its mathematics or a good experimental setup), but I'll ponder for a while, to the extent that I am able Well, my response was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, of

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-02 Thread Tyler Durden
PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: punk and free markets Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:48:40 -0500 On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:33:50PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-02 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:33:50PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out and enforce whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to. Jocks enforcing ideology seems

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... Silliness. The name cypherpunks was a pun on cyberpunks, a pun suggested by Jude Milhon, a woman writer for Mondo 2000 at the time. Being that there is no body which decides what our group is called, or even that it _is_ a group, saying that someone's pun on top of someone

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-01 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:33:50PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out and enforce whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to. Jocks enforcing ideology seems

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... Silliness. The name cypherpunks was a pun on cyberpunks, a pun suggested by Jude Milhon, a woman writer for Mondo 2000 at the time. Being that there is no body which decides what our group is called, or even that it _is_ a group, saying that someone's pun on top of someone

Re: punk and free markets

2003-01-31 Thread Tyler Durden
Michael Motyka wrote... Now to return your serve : back to NYC, Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground 1966. White Light White Heat 1967. As close to the egg as I can place any band in style and in spirit. If it were necessary to name one band as the progenitors of punk the Velvet Underground

Re: punk and free markets

2003-01-31 Thread Tim May
On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 09:05 AM, Michael Motyka wrote: Jim Choate wrote : This list, at least in the Fraunhoffer region, does on some level emanate a Punk attitude, and tolerating the presence of a crypto-fascist or two is something of a consequence. But I'm sick of seeing the Tim