Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
On 26/04/2023 23:45, Jean-Luc wrote: Le 26/04/2023 à 00:49, Glenn Malling a écrit : I am an almost completely silent on this list. However, before I retired in 2006 I ran the email systems, including a LISTSERV email list manager for Syracuse University. At that time there was no RFC specifying the proper reply message body protocol. So, unless such an RFC has been published since then,other than the MIME RFCs, all this griping is pretty much out of bounds. Personal preferences are not binding on others. Glenn Malling Retired email postmaster. I entered the arena in the late 80s/early 90s.I did not know anything about rules and netiquette, so I posted the way I thought was right. Anyone here who argues that Patrick's interventions might be inappropriate, rude or offensive either did not suffer the same beatings I did at the time - or else has forgotten about them. Not to mention I did learn very quickly. Having braced myself on my positions would have meant depriving myself of valuable information so, yes, I complied with the rules that I took the time to read. The established rules have the sole purpose of making it possible for everyone to go in the same direction. If everyone goes his own way, well, noone can progress. If certain products of a brand mentioned somewhere above in this discussion were well thought out and free from defects before being published, it would have been known for a long time, and this discussion would not take place. And since it is easier to get used to it than to hope for a fix, this is why there are so many bad habits that persist and end up becoming standards. A bit as if, for example, you had to adapt to driving vehicles whose brakes do not work the way they ought to. And decide that, since it is the way the manufacturer designed it, it must become a de facto standard - despites the fact this is a bug. A bit exaggerated as a comparison, but nevertheless... BTW : pixl makes everyone use bottom posting without ever thinking nor complaining about it. Now is the time for me to dive back into the dt documentation - yes, I know: the stuff you're never supposed to read. As for the rules above-mentioned, a simple search (google netiquette) would make it clear (although the english version seem to differ from the french one - WTH ?). And, once again, make this almost useless discussion end. Rgrds, J.-Luc +1 Well said. R. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
On 27.04.23 00:45, Jean-Luc wrote: And, once again, make this almost useless discussion end. +1 Cheers Beate -- Beate Schröder-Wettwer darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Le 26/04/2023 à 00:49, Glenn Malling a écrit : I am an almost completely silent on this list. However, before I retired in 2006 I ran the email systems, including a LISTSERV email list manager for Syracuse University. At that time there was no RFC specifying the proper reply message body protocol. So, unless such an RFC has been published since then,other than the MIME RFCs, all this griping is pretty much out of bounds. Personal preferences are not binding on others. Glenn Malling Retired email postmaster. I entered the arena in the late 80s/early 90s.I did not know anything about rules and netiquette, so I posted the way I thought was right. Anyone here who argues that Patrick's interventions might be inappropriate, rude or offensive either did not suffer the same beatings I did at the time - or else has forgotten about them. Not to mention I did learn very quickly. Having braced myself on my positions would have meant depriving myself of valuable information so, yes, I complied with the rules that I took the time to read. The established rules have the sole purpose of making it possible for everyone to go in the same direction. If everyone goes his own way, well, noone can progress. If certain products of a brand mentioned somewhere above in this discussion were well thought out and free from defects before being published, it would have been known for a long time, and this discussion would not take place. And since it is easier to get used to it than to hope for a fix, this is why there are so many bad habits that persist and end up becoming standards. A bit as if, for example, you had to adapt to driving vehicles whose brakes do not work the way they ought to. And decide that, since it is the way the manufacturer designed it, it must become a de facto standard - despites the fact this is a bug. A bit exaggerated as a comparison, but nevertheless... BTW : pixl makes everyone use bottom posting without ever thinking nor complaining about it. Now is the time for me to dive back into the dt documentation - yes, I know: the stuff you're never supposed to read. As for the rules above-mentioned, a simple search (google netiquette) would make it clear (although the english version seem to differ from the french one - WTH ?). And, once again, make this almost useless discussion end. Rgrds, J.-Luc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
I am an almost completely silent on this list. However, before I retired in 2006 I ran the email systems, including a LISTSERV email list manager for Syracuse University. At that time there was no RFC specifying the proper reply message body protocol. So, unless such an RFC has been published since then,other than the MIME RFCs, all this griping is pretty much out of bounds. Personal preferences are not binding on others. Glenn Malling Retired email postmaster. On 4/25/23 12:27 AM, Michael Staats wrote: On 24/04/2023 14:57, Terry Pinfold wrote: The beauty of dicuss pixels is it bottom posts. Therefore I cause no offence there. My comments are not welcome here so I wish you all good luck supporting DT through this forum. I just explained why I moved on. Not sure why my age and wisdom had to be attacked here,but it was. Hi Terry I do not think it was "attacked". Age was mentioned since it seems you do not know the history, and wisdom was challenged, since you seem to assume that all you know (your way of quoting) is the "right" way, ignoring the history, and assuming that Microsoft has any authority to define this. Having that said, I find it sad that such formal arguments are the reason for posting to this list or not. With a little bit of extra effort to accept both worlds, it should be possible to co-exist. The contents should matter. And it cannot be denied that the "business world" is adhering to their god (Microsoft). Bad, and we should try better in a world which is not under their influnce, but we should know that the other world exists, and tolerate. Even Internet RFCs follow the robustness principle: "be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others". (And, by the way, Patrick's excessive full quotes on top with one sentence on the bottom are also not helpful, and not the idea of "proper" quoting). Regards, Michael -- Michael Staats michael.sta...@gmx.de darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
* Michael Staats [04-25-23 00:28]: ... > > (And, by the way, Patrick's excessive full quotes on top with one > sentence on the bottom are also not helpful, and not the idea of > "proper" quoting). > that is understood and not normal, but continually "cleaning up other's messes" becomes rather laborious. best to just drop it all. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
On 24/04/2023 14:57, Terry Pinfold wrote: The beauty of dicuss pixels is it bottom posts. Therefore I cause no offence there. My comments are not welcome here so I wish you all good luck supporting DT through this forum. I just explained why I moved on. Not sure why my age and wisdom had to be attacked here,but it was. Hi Terry I do not think it was "attacked". Age was mentioned since it seems you do not know the history, and wisdom was challenged, since you seem to assume that all you know (your way of quoting) is the "right" way, ignoring the history, and assuming that Microsoft has any authority to define this. Having that said, I find it sad that such formal arguments are the reason for posting to this list or not. With a little bit of extra effort to accept both worlds, it should be possible to co-exist. The contents should matter. And it cannot be denied that the "business world" is adhering to their god (Microsoft). Bad, and we should try better in a world which is not under their influnce, but we should know that the other world exists, and tolerate. Even Internet RFCs follow the robustness principle: "be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others". (And, by the way, Patrick's excessive full quotes on top with one sentence on the bottom are also not helpful, and not the idea of "proper" quoting). Regards, Michael -- Michael Staats michael.sta...@gmx.de darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
The beauty of dicuss pixels is it bottom posts. Therefore I cause no offence there. My comments are not welcome here so I wish you all good luck supporting DT through this forum. I just explained why I moved on. Not sure why my age and wisdom had to be attacked here,but it was. On Mon, 24 Apr 2023, 21:59 Jean-Luc, wrote: > Le 24/04/2023 à 11:15, Remco Viëtor a écrit : > > On lundi 24 avril 2023 03:06:45 CEST Terry Pinfold wrote: > >> "that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your > >> wisdom." > >> > >> Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away. > >> > >> On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 11:01, Patrick Shanahan > wrote: > > (snip) > > > > Maybe, but Patrick is right in that bottom posting is an accepted > standard, > > and not just in email (usenet had the same rules). > > But snipping of irrelevant material is also part of the netiquette... > +1 > > And the aim of those "rules" is to make understanding of the message > easier > > (not necessarily the reading, there's a difference). > +1 > > And, related to Michael's parallel answer, MS has a habit of implementing > > standards in its own way, (often) in a way that's not compatible with > other > > implementations. > > +1 > > Rgrds, > > J.-Luc > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Le 24/04/2023 à 11:15, Remco Viëtor a écrit : On lundi 24 avril 2023 03:06:45 CEST Terry Pinfold wrote: "that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your wisdom." Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away. On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 11:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: (snip) Maybe, but Patrick is right in that bottom posting is an accepted standard, and not just in email (usenet had the same rules). But snipping of irrelevant material is also part of the netiquette... +1 And the aim of those "rules" is to make understanding of the message easier (not necessarily the reading, there's a difference). +1 And, related to Michael's parallel answer, MS has a habit of implementing standards in its own way, (often) in a way that's not compatible with other implementations. +1 Rgrds, J.-Luc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Le 24/04/2023 à 11:00, Michael Staats a écrit : On 24/04/2023 03:06, Terry Pinfold wrote: "that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your wisdom." Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away. [.../...] But beside perception, there's something called "facts". And, sorry to say, Patrick is right, you are not. TOFU quoting was invented by Microsoft, way too late, when other standards were already implemented and followed. The fact that most Outlook users don't know better (again, I know what I'm talking about), does not change that. Actually, with a little bit of experience in IT, all alarms should fire if you follow some rule just because MS has established it. +1 By the way: For sure, Microsoft will have a standard product to replace darktable. Better go for that. Rgrds, J.-Luc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
On lundi 24 avril 2023 03:06:45 CEST Terry Pinfold wrote: > "that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your > wisdom." > > Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away. > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 11:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: (snip) Maybe, but Patrick is right in that bottom posting is an accepted standard, and not just in email (usenet had the same rules). But snipping of irrelevant material is also part of the netiquette... And the aim of those "rules" is to make understanding of the message easier (not necessarily the reading, there's a difference). And, related to Michael's parallel answer, MS has a habit of implementing standards in its own way, (often) in a way that's not compatible with other implementations. Remco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
On 24/04/2023 03:06, Terry Pinfold wrote: "that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your wisdom." Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away. Well, this is a question of perception. I, German, working for an Indian company, am learning that every day, I'm probably perceived as (one of) the most rude guy in the account. But I try to improve (*). But beside perception, there's something called "facts". And, sorry to say, Patrick is right, you are not. TOFU quoting was invented by Microsoft, way too late, when other standards were already implemented and followed. The fact that most Outlook users don't know better (again, I know what I'm talking about), does not change that. Actually, with a little bit of experience in IT, all alarms should fire if you follow some rule just because MS has established it. By the way: For sure, Microsoft will have a standard product to replace darktable. Better go for that. (* Yes, I failed again, I know...) Best regards, Michael -- Michael Staats michael.sta...@gmx.de darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Agreed. The top/bottom posting wars encouraged me to not respond to posts and just be a lurker. On April 23, 2023 5:16:24 PM PDT, Terry Pinfold wrote: >Yes, incorrectly posting to the top or the bottom of the list is a pretty >unforgivable sin. I just post the way Microsoft has designed it and that is >how everyone posts at my University. But for some reason you have set a >standard that is different from mainstream. So you have chased me away. You >achieved what you wanted. I must have been a huge pain in your butt. > >On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 09:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > >> * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 18:23]: >> > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for >> this >> > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum >> > where I was more welcomed. >> > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan >> wrote: >> > >> > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: >> > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: >> > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: >> > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: >> > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers >> > > > > > Michael >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > darktable user mailing list >> > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks >> > > > > Peter >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > darktable user mailing list >> > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my >> posts >> > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found >> very >> > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email >> signature. So >> > > if >> > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would >> move >> > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us >> forum >> > > much >> > > > more friendly and tolerant. >> > > > >> > > >> > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted >> > > standards. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA >> @ptilopteri >> > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member >> facebook/ptilopteri >> > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet >> oftc >> > > >> > > >> >> > > darktable user mailing list >> > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > >> >> >> and you do not hold your students to any standards? >> >> -- >> (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri >> http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri >> Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc >> >> >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> >> > >-- > > >darktable user mailing list >to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
"that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your wisdom." Maybe this passive aggressiveness on your part also chased me away. On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 11:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 20:23]: > > Yes, incorrectly posting to the top or the bottom of the list is a pretty > > unforgivable sin. I just post the way Microsoft has designed it and that > is > > how everyone posts at my University. But for some reason you have set a > > standard that is different from mainstream. So you have chased me away. > You > > achieved what you wanted. I must have been a huge pain in your butt. > > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 09:24, Patrick Shanahan > wrote: > > > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 18:23]: > > > > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly > for > > > this > > > > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a > forum > > > > where I was more welcomed. > > > > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > > > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my > > > posts > > > > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I > found > > > very > > > > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email > > > signature. So > > > > > if > > > > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I > would > > > move > > > > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us > > > forum > > > > > much > > > > > > more friendly and tolerant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow > accepted > > > > > standards. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > > > @ptilopteri > > > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > > > facebook/ptilopteri > > > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ > IRCnet > > > oftc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you do not hold your students to any standards? > > > > > > -- > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > @ptilopteri > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > facebook/ptilopteri > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > oftc > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > m$ was late to the email game and went their own way rather than follow > established ways. that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your > wisdom. > > I have not "chased" you anywhere. You make your own decisions and you do > you best to make that known. hope you the best in your future endeavours. > > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- Terry Pinfold Photography & Imaging Tutor Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Ph 0408 699053 darktable
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
* Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 20:23]: > Yes, incorrectly posting to the top or the bottom of the list is a pretty > unforgivable sin. I just post the way Microsoft has designed it and that is > how everyone posts at my University. But for some reason you have set a > standard that is different from mainstream. So you have chased me away. You > achieved what you wanted. I must have been a huge pain in your butt. > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 09:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 18:23]: > > > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for > > this > > > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum > > > where I was more welcomed. > > > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan > > wrote: > > > > > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > > > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my > > posts > > > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found > > very > > > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email > > signature. So > > > > if > > > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would > > move > > > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us > > forum > > > > much > > > > > more friendly and tolerant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted > > > > standards. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > > @ptilopteri > > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > > facebook/ptilopteri > > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > > oftc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > and you do not hold your students to any standards? > > > > -- > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > -- > m$ was late to the email game and went their own way rather than follow established ways. that you follow m$ *only* shows your age, not your wisdom. I have not "chased" you anywhere. You make your own decisions and you do you best to make that known. hope you the best in your future endeavours. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Yes, incorrectly posting to the top or the bottom of the list is a pretty unforgivable sin. I just post the way Microsoft has designed it and that is how everyone posts at my University. But for some reason you have set a standard that is different from mainstream. So you have chased me away. You achieved what you wanted. I must have been a huge pain in your butt. On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 09:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 18:23]: > > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for > this > > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum > > where I was more welcomed. > > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan > wrote: > > > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > > > > > > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my > posts > > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found > very > > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email > signature. So > > > if > > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would > move > > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us > forum > > > much > > > > more friendly and tolerant. > > > > > > > > > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted > > > standards. > > > > > > -- > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > @ptilopteri > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > facebook/ptilopteri > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > oftc > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > and you do not hold your students to any standards? > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
* Juan Navarro [04-23-23 19:46]: > Styles and preferences is not the same as standards. > > On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 16:23 Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 18:23]: > > > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for > > this > > > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum > > > where I was more welcomed. > > > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan > > wrote: > > > > > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > > > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my > > posts > > > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found > > very > > > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email > > signature. So > > > > if > > > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would > > move > > > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us > > forum > > > > much > > > > > more friendly and tolerant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted > > > > standards. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > > @ptilopteri > > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > > facebook/ptilopteri > > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > > oftc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > and you do not hold your students to any standards? > > > > -- > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > and there is no netiquette. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Styles and preferences is not the same as standards. On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 16:23 Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 18:23]: > > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for > this > > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum > > where I was more welcomed. > > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan > wrote: > > > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > > > > > > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my > posts > > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found > very > > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email > signature. So > > > if > > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would > move > > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us > forum > > > much > > > > more friendly and tolerant. > > > > > > > > > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted > > > standards. > > > > > > -- > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > @ptilopteri > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > facebook/ptilopteri > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > oftc > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > and you do not hold your students to any standards? > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
* Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 18:23]: > Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for this > list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum > where I was more welcomed. > Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > > > > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my posts > > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found very > > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email signature. So > > if > > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would move > > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us forum > > much > > > more friendly and tolerant. > > > > > > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted > > standards. > > > > -- > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > -- > and you do not hold your students to any standards? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Totally agree with you Patrick. My email server posted incorrectly for this list and it caused great offence to people here so I moved on to a forum where I was more welcomed. Have a nice day and keep up the good work supporting DT users. On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 08:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > > > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my posts > > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found very > > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email signature. So > if > > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would move > > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us forum > much > > more friendly and tolerant. > > > > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted > standards. > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
* Terry Pinfold [04-23-23 17:49]: > On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > > > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > > > Cheers > > > Michael > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > Thanks > > Peter > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > -- > I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my posts > being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found very > petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email signature. So if > I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would move > onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us forum much > more friendly and tolerant. > yes, much easier to change horses than to attempt to follow accepted standards. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 21:03, Peter McD wrote: > Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: > > Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > >> So where are the postings of other users? > > > > Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: > > https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 > > > > Cheers > > Michael > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > Thanks > Peter > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- I stopped posting to this list because people complained about my posts being top posting or bottom posting or something else which I found very petty. They also complained if I forgot to remove my email signature. So if I was going to have problems meeting their "net etiquette" I would move onto another forum which is pixels.us. I have found the pixls.us forum much more friendly and tolerant. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Am 23.04.23 um 12:29 schrieb Michael Below: Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: So where are the postings of other users? Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 Cheers Michael darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Thanks Peter darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable-users list, fewer postings?
Am Sonntag, dem 23.04.2023 um 12:21 +0200 schrieb Peter McD: > So where are the postings of other users? Many people moved to the pixls.us forum: https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19 Cheers Michael darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
