Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Hello Samuel,

I don't even know what you're talking about.  If I knew what your message
meant and how to do it, I'd gladly do it, but I don't understand your
message, someone here must.

It's much too advanced for me.

Could someone here do what Samuel suggested? I think it would turn out very
nicely for everyone.

Thank you,

David

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 6:49 PM Samuel Thibault 
wrote:

> D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 28 mai 2023 22:33:44 -0400, a ecrit:
> > It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line
> > Interface (CLI) Text Mode.
>
> IIRC, I already explained here that this can be implemented as a "task"
> in the installer. It is thus a matter of somebody reporting a bug to the
> tasksel package to request for the addition of a "textual desktop" task,
> along with a list of packages that this task would install.
>
> Samuel
>
>

Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI

[Ian. C. Bray]

yes, you're absolutely right about using existing routes to fix similar problems… The problem with that, however is, that most of the "accessible "methods, we are hoping to have implemented… arre somewhat dated… And while I understand why… And even appreciate some of them more so then it may appear… I think, with the advent of some thing like ancible… That having a " console quote for us lab geeks… That can "build out to order "a machine for us… Is even better!Does anybody out there feel like teaching class? Ian  C. Bray)Email: i...@aye.netGmail: ian.c.b...@gmail.comImail: ian.c.b...@icloud.com* This contact information is given as intended for the original recipient(s) specified in the directed field in the original message provided header and is not to be shared with any other person(s) organization, group, or entity, biological or mechanical, or otherwise constructed withouth the express permission of myself directly.On May 29, 2023, at 15:40, D.J.J. Ring, Jr.  wrote:But that means asking questions on a list which have so many times been asked before.I think it's easier to supply one of the already existing applications like nmcli, nntui, or ceni and just make the progress itself accessable instead of joining email lists and asking questions that have been asked a hundred times.Fix the problem so no questions are needed.DavidOn Mon, May 29, 2023, 15:31 K0LNY  wrote:






One thing I have started doing,
When there is a long string to use that someone 
sent me, and I can't possibly remember all the parts of the string, I copy it 
and paste it into an editor, and name it with a .sh extension, and send it to 
the other computer, and run it with bash.
Glenn
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
  To: David Hoff Jr 
  Cc: K0LNY ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 2:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Connect To WIFI In The 
  CLI
  
  Some simpler means of doing this should be already be included in Debian 
  Net Install CD ISO.
  
  We have nmcli and nntui and ceni which all are accessable to screen 
  readers.
  
  Those disabled folks with memory problems would never remember these long 
  commands.
  
  The solution is already available, it just needs to be implemented.
  
  Regards,
  
  David
  
  On Mon, May 29, 2023, 13:14 David Hoff Jr  wrote:
  Glenn:try 
the following  to connect:sudo ip link set wlt1s0 upsudo 
wpa_supplicant -B -iwlt1s0 -Dwext 
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/(YourOwnFile.conf)sudo dhclient wlt1s0-- 
You will get an error message but it should connect. This has to be 
donemanually each time you boot up so I have it in script so that if I 
don'twant on the internet I do not run it. 

Re: Raspi-Config

[K0LNY]

I'm new to scripting, so it is likely over my head, but I'll bet it's a simple 
script, and open source.
If we made an attempt with a github page, we might get some great contributors.
Glenn
  - Original Message - 
  From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
  To: Ian. C. Bray 
  Cc: K0LNY ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Raspi-Config


  Does anyone know how to make it for Debian?


  Volunteers?


  Regards,
  David


  On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 11:17 PM Ian. C. Bray  wrote:

Ooo! Yes, yes, yes! I think I like that. A great deal…

And possibly somebody to consider "authoring "the "text Dash mode Dash 
graphical – menus "to not sound like a total jabber circus when using speech?!

Ian  C. Bray
Email: i...@aye.net
Gmail: ian.c.b...@gmail.com
Imail: ian.c.b...@icloud.com


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permission of myself directly.


  On May 29, 2023, at 10:48, K0LNY  wrote:


   
  Howdy,
  I thought I'd toy with raspi-config on my Debian 11.7 CLI install.
  I first installed the oldest one, and the install failed because it was 
looking for parted.
  So I installed parted, and had to then do 
  apt --fix-broken install
  Then I installed the raspi-config deb file and it works like it does on 
the raspberry pi.
  I know that there are some things it won't be able to do, like change the 
clock speed of the processor, but it can be used I suspect for setting up the 
basic things.
  Here's a link if anyone else cares to play with it:
  https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/r/raspi-config/
  Something like this would be nice in Debian.

  Glenn

Re: Raspi-Config

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Does anyone know how to make it for Debian?

Volunteers?

Regards,
David

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 11:17 PM Ian. C. Bray  wrote:

> Ooo! Yes, yes, yes! I think I like that. A great deal…
>
> And possibly somebody to consider "authoring "the "text Dash mode Dash
> graphical – menus "to not sound like a total jabber circus when using
> speech?!
> Ian  C. Bray
> Email: i...@aye.net
> Gmail: ian.c.b...@gmail.com
> Imail: ian.c.b...@icloud.com
>
> * This contact information is given as intended for the original
> recipient(s) specified in the directed field in the original message
> provided header and is not to be shared with any other person(s)
> organization, group, or entity, biological or mechanical, or otherwise
> constructed withouth the express permission of myself directly.
>
> On May 29, 2023, at 10:48, K0LNY  wrote:
>
> 
> Howdy,
> I thought I'd toy with raspi-config on my Debian 11.7 CLI install.
> I first installed the oldest one, and the install failed because it was
> looking for parted.
> So I installed parted, and had to then do
> apt --fix-broken install
> Then I installed the raspi-config deb file and it works like it does on
> the raspberry pi.
> I know that there are some things it won't be able to do, like change the
> clock speed of the processor, but it can be used I suspect for setting up
> the basic things.
> Here's a link if anyone else cares to play with it:
> https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/r/raspi-config/
> Something like this would be nice in Debian.
>
> Glenn
>
>

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[Ian. C. Bray]

I have had fairly good results when trying the boot – – wait – and – select – option – (lol)! Method of installation.what I mean by that is this: once I can manage to get the boot menu for my particular bios, to allow me to boot, whatever media be at CD, ROM, or USB, high, then wait sufficiently long enough that I suspect the "installation or live "menu is present. Then I simply hit the letter S and the enter key… Continue to wait more… Then I'm presented with what is a texti mode only Consol with virtual TTY's available… That talks!   I would like some assistance from those of you, who are in the know as to how I would… And be specific… Precisely make every Boutte option on the menu load speech… Yes… I know this is considered to be a re-authoring of the image… But that is precisely what I'm looking to do.  why is that? Well… Is it because I want to potentially create a set of installation media… For my server stack… Should I ever need it… I'm trying to build a Home lab for accessibility… So I can run hopefully, and NVDA gateway server… And try and work on helping others who want to run Linux develop their own sensible accessibility "environment "…. I've only been blind since 2012… I am now new to accessibility and such… And had to mostly retire from my field… So I guess in my dotage… Lol! I find it necessary to do this…   are there any of you also out there? Very familiar with Dell poweredge are 805 servers? I got some questions I need answered… Lol.* This contact information is given as intended for the original recipient(s) specified in the directed field in the original message provided header and is not to be shared with any other person(s) organization, group, or entity, biological or mechanical, or otherwise constructed withouth the express permission of myself directly.On May 29, 2023, at 03:42, D.J.J. Ring, Jr.  wrote:That's what I do, I read the documents.But it's unclear which selection is without the DE (Desktop Environment).So much depends on advanced knowledge when reading these documents. This should not be necessary for a person coming to Debian to install the most simplest system of all: A Command Line Interface system.In the installer, hints of what should be installed should be given.Most new people wouldn't even know what DE means.I don't know and you have not told me, if you know that the default selections in the installer install a Graphic User Interface. It's marked "Debian Desktop Environment" and it's the same as selecting "Mate".Years ago there was a text mode Desktop Environment that gave a menu and configuration options for a strictly text mode installation.Many people think that's what they're selecting when they choose Debian Desktop Environment but it's no longer that.If people don't mention these things, how will developers ever know how and what to change?I could make snarky comments to you about subjects you're not an expert in, but I won't do that. Professionals usually have a helpful attitude and I expect to be treated that way and I demand that I treat others that way.Regards,David On Mon, May 29, 2023, 02:57 john doe  wrote:On 5/29/23 04:33, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> I've had it work that way Martin,  but it's not working for Glenn.
>
> I also don't understand what you mean by "I start the installer with medium
> priority" - I've never seen a choice.

It's there in the advance mode, mind the accessibility wiki!

>
> It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line
> Interface (CLI) Text Mode.
At the prompt that ask for what package to install, select the one
without DE.

Instead of ranting/complaining, I would suggest you to read the
extensive Debian's doc.

--
John Doe

Re: Raspi-Config

[Ian. C. Bray]

Ooo! Yes, yes, yes! I think I like that. A great deal…

And possibly somebody to consider "authoring "the "text Dash mode Dash 
graphical – menus "to not sound like a total jabber circus when using speech?!
Ian  C. Bray
Email: i...@aye.net
Gmail: ian.c.b...@gmail.com
Imail: ian.c.b...@icloud.com

* This contact information is given as intended for the original 
recipient(s) specified in the directed field in the original message provided 
header and is not to be shared with any other person(s) organization, group, or 
entity, biological or mechanical, or otherwise constructed withouth the express 
permission of myself directly.

> On May 29, 2023, at 10:48, K0LNY  wrote:
> 
> 
> Howdy,
> I thought I'd toy with raspi-config on my Debian 11.7 CLI install.
> I first installed the oldest one, and the install failed because it was 
> looking for parted.
> So I installed parted, and had to then do
> apt --fix-broken install
> Then I installed the raspi-config deb file and it works like it does on the 
> raspberry pi.
> I know that there are some things it won't be able to do, like change the 
> clock speed of the processor, but it can be used I suspect for setting up the 
> basic things.
> Here's a link if anyone else cares to play with it:
> https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/r/raspi-config/
> Something like this would be nice in Debian.
>  
> Glenn

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[Samuel Thibault]

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le dim. 28 mai 2023 22:33:44 -0400, a ecrit:
> It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line
> Interface (CLI) Text Mode.

IIRC, I already explained here that this can be implemented as a "task"
in the installer. It is thus a matter of somebody reporting a bug to the
tasksel package to request for the addition of a "textual desktop" task,
along with a list of packages that this task would install.

Samuel

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[Geoff Shang]

On Sun, 28 May 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:


Hello,

How do users install a basic Debian Command Line Interface (CLI) system
with networking and NO Desktop Environmens or Desktop Manager installed?


It's a little while since I've done it, but all I usually do is run the 
netinst image and not install any of the desktops when it gets to the task 
selections.


You can read about accessing the installer on the Debian Wiki at 
https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility



For years Debian had a CLI manager that gave us choices of different
command line programs.  I thought the Default install marked Debian was
that but it isn't, it now installs a graphical user interface which I do
not want.


Can you specify which installer you are using?


How do I install a speaking Text mode system CLI with networking, nmcli and
nmtui and what is the name of the old shell that used to give us a command
line menu for Internet and other programs, it was a TUI program.


I have to admit to not knowing about these.

Doing an apt search for nmcli shows wifi-qr - not sure if this is what you 
want.  Searching for nmtui doesn't match anything.


Unfortunately, there seems to be so many programs for making menus in 
graphical environments that I can't easily see which menu program you're 
referrring to.



HTH,
Geoff.

Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI

[Jason White]

On 29/5/23 15:47, K0LNY wrote:
That is true, especially for people who don't save useful information 
like I do.
But I save a lot of emails that I think have useful information, and I 
usually search my emails for a message that contains specific words to 
see if I saved it.
I archive everything. It doesn't require an extraordinary amount of disk 
space these days. I have a Sieve filter set up on the server to move 
messages from various mailing lists into their respective folders 
automatically.

This list does not get a lot of traffic.
And the windows Jaws lists have a lot of repeating questions.


They also attract a lot of people whose level of technical knowledge is 
very low, and who often don't seem to care about improving it. This is 
the opposite of the Debian community and Linux in general.


I think I'll join your list - thank you for the details. A 
cross-operating system list would be of interest, especially if it tends 
to attract people with expertise, and not people who ask questions that 
could be answered in 30 seconds with a fairly obvious Web search.

Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI

[K0LNY]

That is true, especially for people who don't save useful information like I do.
But I save a lot of emails that I think have useful information, and I usually 
search my emails for a message that contains specific words to see if I saved 
it.
This list does not get a lot of traffic.
And the windows Jaws lists have a lot of repeating questions.
I have a low-traffic list called Blind-T
The T is for Tech so questions on anything from Linux, to windows, to Ham 
radio, or any technology are welcom on this list.
Here's how to join that list:

To subscribe, for your friends who may not have yet joined, they can send a
message to:
blind-t+subscr...@groups.io

  - Original Message - 
  From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
  To: K0LNY 
  Cc: David Hoff Jr ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 2:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI


  But that means asking questions on a list which have so many times been asked 
before.


  I think it's easier to supply one of the already existing applications like 
nmcli, nntui, or ceni and just make the progress itself accessable instead of 
joining email lists and asking questions that have been asked a hundred times.


  Fix the problem so no questions are needed.


  David




  On Mon, May 29, 2023, 15:31 K0LNY  wrote:

One thing I have started doing,
When there is a long string to use that someone sent me, and I can't 
possibly remember all the parts of the string, I copy it and paste it into an 
editor, and name it with a .sh extension, and send it to the other computer, 
and run it with bash.
Glenn

  - Original Message - 
  From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
  To: David Hoff Jr 
  Cc: K0LNY ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 2:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI


  Some simpler means of doing this should be already be included in Debian 
Net Install CD ISO. 


  We have nmcli and nntui and ceni which all are accessable to screen 
readers.


  Those disabled folks with memory problems would never remember these long 
commands.


  The solution is already available, it just needs to be implemented.


  Regards,


  David


  On Mon, May 29, 2023, 13:14 David Hoff Jr  wrote:

Glenn:

try the following  to connect:

sudo ip link set wlt1s0 up
sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlt1s0 -Dwext 
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/(YourOwnFile.conf)
sudo dhclient wlt1s0
-- 
You will get an error message but it should connect. This has to be done
manually each time you boot up so I have it in script so that if I don't
want on the internet I do not run it.
 

Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

But that means asking questions on a list which have so many times been
asked before.

I think it's easier to supply one of the already existing applications like
nmcli, nntui, or ceni and just make the progress itself accessable instead
of joining email lists and asking questions that have been asked a hundred
times.

Fix the problem so no questions are needed.

David


On Mon, May 29, 2023, 15:31 K0LNY  wrote:

> One thing I have started doing,
> When there is a long string to use that someone sent me, and I can't
> possibly remember all the parts of the string, I copy it and paste it into
> an editor, and name it with a .sh extension, and send it to the other
> computer, and run it with bash.
> Glenn
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
> *To:* David Hoff Jr 
> *Cc:* K0LNY  ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2023 2:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI
>
> Some simpler means of doing this should be already be included in Debian
> Net Install CD ISO.
>
> We have nmcli and nntui and ceni which all are accessable to screen
> readers.
>
> Those disabled folks with memory problems would never remember these long
> commands.
>
> The solution is already available, it just needs to be implemented.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2023, 13:14 David Hoff Jr  wrote:
>
>> Glenn:
>>
>> try the following  to connect:
>>
>> sudo ip link set wlt1s0 up
>> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlt1s0 -Dwext
>> -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/(YourOwnFile.conf)
>> sudo dhclient wlt1s0
>> --
>> You will get an error message but it should connect. This has to be done
>> manually each time you boot up so I have it in script so that if I don't
>> want on the internet I do not run it.
>>  
>>
>>

Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI

[K0LNY]

One thing I have started doing,
When there is a long string to use that someone sent me, and I can't possibly 
remember all the parts of the string, I copy it and paste it into an editor, 
and name it with a .sh extension, and send it to the other computer, and run it 
with bash.
Glenn

  - Original Message - 
  From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
  To: David Hoff Jr 
  Cc: K0LNY ; debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 2:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI


  Some simpler means of doing this should be already be included in Debian Net 
Install CD ISO.


  We have nmcli and nntui and ceni which all are accessable to screen readers.


  Those disabled folks with memory problems would never remember these long 
commands.


  The solution is already available, it just needs to be implemented.


  Regards,


  David


  On Mon, May 29, 2023, 13:14 David Hoff Jr  wrote:

Glenn:

try the following  to connect:

sudo ip link set wlt1s0 up
sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlt1s0 -Dwext 
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/(YourOwnFile.conf)
sudo dhclient wlt1s0
-- 
You will get an error message but it should connect. This has to be done
manually each time you boot up so I have it in script so that if I don't
want on the internet I do not run it.
 

Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Some simpler means of doing this should be already be included in Debian
Net Install CD ISO.

We have nmcli and nntui and ceni which all are accessable to screen readers.

Those disabled folks with memory problems would never remember these long
commands.

The solution is already available, it just needs to be implemented.

Regards,

David

On Mon, May 29, 2023, 13:14 David Hoff Jr  wrote:

> Glenn:
>
> try the following  to connect:
>
> sudo ip link set wlt1s0 up
> sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlt1s0 -Dwext
> -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/(YourOwnFile.conf)
> sudo dhclient wlt1s0
> --
> You will get an error message but it should connect. This has to be done
> manually each time you boot up so I have it in script so that if I don't
> want on the internet I do not run it.
>  
>
>

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

John,

At this point, wouldn't a few words "if you want a simple command line
interface system with networking your finished, skip this step" be very
helpful?

It certainly would give people the answer they need.

There must be a reason that the problem is so much of a problem that people
search out this list to ask this very question.

So why isn't this information of guidance in the installer? It would be of
great help to myself and others.

Finally after all these years we can install Debian on our laptops which
only have WiFi and we know by reading a simple statement that we can skip
the next acquire extra software step and were done.

Obviously, I am not the only one who needs this to be stated.

There is an excellent text browser called lynx that can access most
websites that other text browsers fail to access. The problem is that a
dozen or more times it asks for confirmation to continue. There is a
lynx.conf file circulating informally in blind email lists that someone has
edited all the needed parts of the extremely long lynx.cfg file.

Even for a sighted person that lynx.cfg file is huge and difficult to read
but with a screen reader it's nearly impossible.

The developer has been asked many times to include as an option this
lynx.cfg file to make his program very useful to users of screen readers
and those who are just using text browsers out of preference, but each time
he refuses. It's his program.

It seems silly to me and to everyone who uses lynx to not be given a choice
with the installation.

But things remain as they were.

There should be some place to make suggestions that will help the
accessibility community, even suggestions that will eliminate people asking
the same question.

To me asking the same question means that the same problem still remains
without having been fixed.

Regards,

David






On Mon, May 29, 2023, 02:57 john doe  wrote:

> On 5/29/23 04:33, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > I've had it work that way Martin,  but it's not working for Glenn.
> >
> > I also don't understand what you mean by "I start the installer with
> medium
> > priority" - I've never seen a choice.
>
> It's there in the advance mode, mind the accessibility wiki!
>
> >
> > It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line
> > Interface (CLI) Text Mode.
> At the prompt that ask for what package to install, select the one
> without DE.
>
> Instead of ranting/complaining, I would suggest you to read the
> extensive Debian's doc.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[K0LNY]

The simple answer then John is to not respond if you get tired of 
responding.
Often on lists I don't respond because I know that there are others who 
don't mind posting information that people request, and if nobody ends up 
posting, the request may get posted again, and then I might reply.
It cracks me up though when some folks reply with a response like they don't 
know.

That too is of no use, and wasting someone's time as well.
But nobody should feel compelled to help others if they don't want to.
Glenn

- Original Message - 
From: "john doe" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and 
screen reader



On 5/29/23 16:07, K0LNY wrote:

Not only that, then what is the list for if we can't ask questions?
The other choice is read, read, read.
I do look on-line for answers, for things I did know, but forgot, often my 
answer is in the search results page, and I don't even have to open the 
link.
But a list is for questions by people who would like assistance, not 
admonishment.


I could not agree more with you, the point I'm trying to make is that
there are so few PPLs working on accessibility (I'm not including
myself), that it's a waste of time for everyone when questions have been
asked so  many times already on this very mailing list (mind the archive).

I'm clearly frustrated that I have to rebash the same stuff all the time! :)

This is my last e-mail on this.

--
John Doe

Re: Connect To WIFI In The CLI

[David Hoff Jr]

Glenn:

try the following  to connect:

sudo ip link set wlt1s0 up
sudo wpa_supplicant -B -iwlt1s0 -Dwext -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/(YourOwnFile.conf)
sudo dhclient wlt1s0
-- 
You will get an error message but it should connect. This has to be done
manually each time you boot up so I have it in script so that if I don't
want on the internet I do not run it.
 

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[john doe]

On 5/29/23 16:07, K0LNY wrote:

Not only that, then what is the list for if we can't ask questions?
The other choice is read, read, read.
I do look on-line for answers, for things I did know, but forgot, often my 
answer is in the search results page, and I don't even have to open the link.
But a list is for questions by people who would like assistance, not 
admonishment.


I could not agree more with you, the point I'm trying to make is that
there are so few PPLs working on accessibility (I'm not including
myself), that it's a waste of time for everyone when questions have been
asked so  many times already on this very mailing list (mind the archive).

I'm clearly frustrated that I have to rebash the same stuff all the time! :)

This is my last e-mail on this.

--
John Doe

Re: Raspi-Config

[john doe]

On 5/29/23 16:48, K0LNY wrote:

Howdy,
I thought I'd toy with raspi-config on my Debian 11.7 CLI install.
I first installed the oldest one, and the install failed because it was looking 
for parted.
So I installed parted, and had to then do
apt --fix-broken install
Then I installed the raspi-config deb file and it works like it does on the 
raspberry pi.


This is not supported by Debian by any means.

--
John Doe

Re: trouble mounting installation media error

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Will cp work for every iso image?

If so, great work!

Regards,

David

On Sun, May 28, 2023, 14:21 john doe  wrote:

> On 5/28/23 19:22, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > Ventoy is unsurpassed at ease of making bootable disks, just copy the iso
> > to the partition that is for the iso files, it's empty at the start.
> Reboot
> > and you will see a screen to pick which iso you want to boot with.  I
> don't
> > know if this is accessible or not.
> >
> > dd under Linux is always the way to go to make USB sticks from iso files:
> >
>
> The cp utility is the new way to go! :)
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Raspi-Config

[K0LNY]

Howdy,
I thought I'd toy with raspi-config on my Debian 11.7 CLI install.
I first installed the oldest one, and the install failed because it was looking 
for parted.
So I installed parted, and had to then do 
apt --fix-broken install
Then I installed the raspi-config deb file and it works like it does on the 
raspberry pi.
I know that there are some things it won't be able to do, like change the clock 
speed of the processor, but it can be used I suspect for setting up the basic 
things.
Here's a link if anyone else cares to play with it:
https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/pool/main/r/raspi-config/
Something like this would be nice in Debian.

Glenn

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[K0LNY]

Not only that, then what is the list for if we can't ask questions?
The other choice is read, read, read.
I do look on-line for answers, for things I did know, but forgot, often my 
answer is in the search results page, and I don't even have to open the link.
But a list is for questions by people who would like assistance, not 
admonishment.
Glenn
  - Original Message - 
  From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
  To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 2:39 AM
  Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and 
screen reader


  That's what I do, I read the documents.


  But it's unclear which selection is without the DE (Desktop Environment).


  So much depends on advanced knowledge when reading these documents. This 
should not be necessary for a person coming to Debian to install the most 
simplest system of all: A Command Line Interface system.


  In the installer, hints of what should be installed should be given.


  Most new people wouldn't even know what DE means.


  I don't know and you have not told me, if you know that the default 
selections in the installer install a Graphic User Interface. It's marked 
"Debian Desktop Environment" and it's the same as selecting "Mate".


  Years ago there was a text mode Desktop Environment that gave a menu and 
configuration options for a strictly text mode installation.


  Many people think that's what they're selecting when they choose Debian 
Desktop Environment but it's no longer that.


  If people don't mention these things, how will developers ever know how and 
what to change?


  I could make snarky comments to you about subjects you're not an expert in, 
but I won't do that. Professionals usually have a helpful attitude and I expect 
to be treated that way and I demand that I treat others that way.


  Regards,


  David 







  On Mon, May 29, 2023, 02:57 john doe  wrote:

On 5/29/23 04:33, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> I've had it work that way Martin,  but it's not working for Glenn.
>
> I also don't understand what you mean by "I start the installer with 
medium
> priority" - I've never seen a choice.

It's there in the advance mode, mind the accessibility wiki!

>
> It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line
> Interface (CLI) Text Mode.
At the prompt that ask for what package to install, select the one
without DE.

Instead of ranting/complaining, I would suggest you to read the
extensive Debian's doc.

--
John Doe

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

That's what I do, I read the documents.

But it's unclear which selection is without the DE (Desktop Environment).

So much depends on advanced knowledge when reading these documents. This
should not be necessary for a person coming to Debian to install the most
simplest system of all: A Command Line Interface system.

In the installer, hints of what should be installed should be given.

Most new people wouldn't even know what DE means.

I don't know and you have not told me, if you know that the default
selections in the installer install a Graphic User Interface. It's marked
"Debian Desktop Environment" and it's the same as selecting "Mate".

Years ago there was a text mode Desktop Environment that gave a menu and
configuration options for a strictly text mode installation.

Many people think that's what they're selecting when they choose Debian
Desktop Environment but it's no longer that.

If people don't mention these things, how will developers ever know how and
what to change?

I could make snarky comments to you about subjects you're not an expert in,
but I won't do that. Professionals usually have a helpful attitude and I
expect to be treated that way and I demand that I treat others that way.

Regards,

David




On Mon, May 29, 2023, 02:57 john doe  wrote:

> On 5/29/23 04:33, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > I've had it work that way Martin,  but it's not working for Glenn.
> >
> > I also don't understand what you mean by "I start the installer with
> medium
> > priority" - I've never seen a choice.
>
> It's there in the advance mode, mind the accessibility wiki!
>
> >
> > It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line
> > Interface (CLI) Text Mode.
> At the prompt that ask for what package to install, select the one
> without DE.
>
> Instead of ranting/complaining, I would suggest you to read the
> extensive Debian's doc.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with Networking and screen reader

[john doe]

On 5/29/23 04:33, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

I've had it work that way Martin,  but it's not working for Glenn.

I also don't understand what you mean by "I start the installer with medium
priority" - I've never seen a choice.


It's there in the advance mode, mind the accessibility wiki!



It should be an explicit choice to have a configured Debian Command Line
Interface (CLI) Text Mode.

At the prompt that ask for what package to install, select the one
without DE.

Instead of ranting/complaining, I would suggest you to read the
extensive Debian's doc.

--
John Doe