Re: How to switch to testing branch?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Vojtěch,

I'm personally on Debian stable.

You should be aware of those stuff:

 * Testing is not as stable as Debian stable, it's evident but I prefer
   to tell you that. If you just want something working and don't want
   to care about your computer everyday, stable is for you.
 * A new Debian stable is published every 24 months.
 * It's not possible to run Hypra software under testing.


If you goal is to have the bleeding edge software 
 and report 
issues to developer, Debian testing is for you. The wiki given by Ole 
seems a good start if you want to switch to Testing.


Best regards.

Le 19/12/2020 à 12:31, Vojtěch šmiro a écrit :

Hello,

I have Debian 10 Buster on my desktop PC. How can I switch to testing 
branch? I don't like reinstalling systems when Pulse-eye will be 
downloadable and many people recommend testing which is better to have 
and have the newest system. I know, it might be a risk, but I have 
backup of my data and system if something go wrong.


Thanks a lot.

Best regards

Vojta.

Re: Orca bug with capital letters by icon

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 11/12/2020 à 16:25, Vojtěch šmiro a écrit :

Hello,

I would like to write you about bug in Voxin and Orca, when is set 
reading of Capital letters like icon on Voice page tab. Warning! this 
bug is only in Raspberry Pi, not in PC. In PC there is not any problem 
with Voxin.

Hello Vojtěch,


Steps to reproduce:
1. Switch to Voxin.
2. Write in Pluma for example
Mozilla Firefox.
The result: it clicks twice in the word Mozilla and not in word Firefox.
Expected resuld: it may click in all two words Mozilla Firefox, not 
onli in the word Mozilla.
I've tried with czech voices, I don't have any english voices, so I 
don't know, if bug is with them too or with other languages.

What do you mean by it clicks? How do you make it to click?


The bug of clicking with Espeak:
1. Switch to Espeak-cs.
2. Write in Pluma
Od Libora
It means from Libor.
It clicks only in the word Od and in the word Libora not. This is on 
PC and Raspberry too. In Voxin on PC the bug doesn't exist.
All bugs are in Ubuntu, Debian, Raspbian and Stormux, it's not depend 
on used operating system.

Do you reproduce the issue with Espeak NG or the "old" Espeak?

Re: Auto login

[Alex ARNAUD]

I personally advise you to not edit the lightdm.conf file because it 
will create you configuration question at upgrade.


On Hypra, we're creating the file 
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/90_my-autologin.conf with the following content:

[SeatDefaults]
autologin-user=YOURUSERNAME

Be careful as said by Raphaël, if you make mistake the graphical user 
interface wouldn't start.


Best regards.

Le 14/06/2020 à 18:32, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL a écrit :
Yes you can. In /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, just uncomment 
autologin-user= line and add, after =, your username (login). Be 
careful, if you dont set it properly, you probably need to fix via the 
tty interface.


Regards



Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Debian Developer non uploading
Community team member
Accessibility team member
debian-l10n-french team member
President of Debian France non-profit organization
Le 14/06/2020 à 17:14, Vojtěch šmiro a écrit :

Hello,

is some way to not to write password after startup? I would like to 
login without password. Is it possible?


Thanks a lot.

Best regards

Vojta.

Re: Audio problems with Debian, speech output and the latest VMware Workstation release :-(

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Christian,

If a VMware update broke your sound system, couldn't be easier to 
contact them directly?


Best regards.

Le 05/06/2020 à 09:44, Christian Schoepplein a écrit :

Hi,

I unfortunatly have to use Debian in a virtual machine on a Windows 10 
system. The virtualitation software I am using is VMware Workstation 15.


Since the latest update of VMware Workstation to the version 15.5.5 
the sound output and therefore also the speech output is stucking. It 
sounds like the system is under heavy load and speech is only outputed 
in fragments with little breaks in between... Its a little bit 
difficult to explain...


I have to systems with the same configuration and on both systems the 
problem occures. I've changed nothing in the virtual linux system and 
on the host system itself, only VMware Workstation was updated to the 
latest version (15.5.5). So I am very sure it is a problem with VMware 
Workstation


I just want to ask if anyone here is also using VMware Workstation on 
Windows 10 and has the same problems after the last update. And maybe 
anyone has an idea how to solve the problems, maybe I can do something 
on the linux system or in the settings of the VM. I downgrated the 
system to an older version of VMware Workstation and anything is good 
again, but if there is a solution for Workstation 15.5.5 it would be 
good to know.


Ofcourse I will contact VMware and ask for a solution, but I am sure 
they will not be able to help because they do not know enough about 
working with a screen reader, speech output, e.g..., but I will try 
anyway.


Cheers and thanks for any help or idea,

  Schoepp

Re: Would it be worthwhile to rebuild Mate?

[Alex ARNAUD]

If you want that, it would be probably easier for you to switch from 
Debian Stable to Debian Testing to have more recents software.


Le 30/05/2020 à 09:56, John J. Boyer a écrit :

If so, please give me the URL for cloning the repository. I have the latest 
Debian package.

Thanks,
John

Re: The mate-user-guide is inaccessible.

[Alex ARNAUD]

Didier in CC told me mate-user-guide is accessible so it could probably 
told you the trick to make it working


Best regards.

Le 20/05/2020 à 16:13, John J. Boyer a écrit :

Hello,

Thanks Alex.

I have tried going to wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!index.md with both firefox and 
Chromium. I couldnt make head or tail of the site. The help option in Mate
does not work.
How can I read the mate-user-guide? My opinioon is that they should have made 
it a simple Web page. That is what NVDA did.

Thanks,
John

Re: Restarting Mate

[Alex ARNAUD]

You can restart your whole session with:

sudo service lightdm restart


Best regards.


Le 20/05/2020 à 11:48, John J. Boyer a écrit :

Hello,

How do I restart Mate when its performance seems to be deteriorating?

Thanks,
John

Re: WIFI card with Debian Installer

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello matthew,

Usually people like me would like one thread for one question.

My answer below:

Le 16/05/2020 à 02:19, matthew dyer a écrit :


Just rejoined this list today.  I am wanting to nstall Debian testing 
or stable depending on what can be done about the following.  I have 
an hp note book which is only a couple of years old and I have since 
replaced windows 10 with ubuntu and now I am looking to install 
Debian, but here are couple of questions.  First, the first ime I 
tried to do the install, I used the nonfree firmware version as I 
figured that would have the drivers it might need, but during the 
detecting of hardware I was told that I would need a driver which I 
can’t remember the modle name of rite now, but any how, with ubuntu 
and orca, is there a way to get the modle name of my wifi driver so 
that I can search for it.



Nice to seeing you here Matthew.

What is the result of the following command on your computer:

lspci |grep -i network


Best regards.

Re: [orca-list] Problems with Espeak and some signs

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Vojtěch,

If it works with Voxin, it is probably an issue on the eSpeak NG side. 
Could you please report an issue on their Github repository 
?


Best regards.

Le 12/05/2020 à 12:55, Vojtěch šmiro via orca-list a écrit :

Hello.

when is in some text square, Espeak reads bad thinks. When I read some 
texts with squares, I have to switch on Voxin, because it reads for 
example eeaaa or others. Voxin czech Zuzana or Iveta don't read 
these if I read by rows. I have Espeak NG I think.


Thanks a lot.

Best regards

Vojta.
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https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html

Re: What do you think of TeamViewer?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello John,

Currently TeamViewer for Linux is not correctly accessible. A workaround 
to make it working is to use the ocrdesktop but it is not available on 
the Debian repository.


On my company we use our own solution based on SSH and VNC.

Best regards.

Le 24/04/2020 à 09:44, John J. Boyer a écrit :

Hello,

I am working with a local tech on installing a desktop. He installed TeamViewer 
so he could help me remotely. What have been your experiences with this 
software?
Can it be run in the background? My experience is that it has made things 
worse. My tech can remote in and run Gnome, but I can't run it from the 
keyboard. That
hss hapened before - with NVDA on Windows 10.

Thanks,
John

Re: RSGames client on Debian 10

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 24/04/2020 à 19:00, mattias a écrit :

how do you thinked you should run it with wine

because wine dont come with sapi 
Indeed, Wine doesn't come with SAPI. You can install it from 
command-line. The steps are:

1) Install the wine32 and winetricks packages

2) Install SAPI with the following command:
winetricks -q speechsdk

Best regards.

Re: RSGames client on Debian 10

[Alex ARNAUD]

Their Linux client seems a bit outdated and not maintained, the last 
documentation was on 2013.


Do you have tried to run it with Wine?

Best regards.

Le 24/04/2020 à 17:28, Vojtěch šmiro a écrit :


Hello.

Is some way to run rsg in Debian? This game is for Windows, linux and 
Mac. But linux version is old, they instruct how to play it on Vinux 
and it is not actual. I wrote them, but they didn't answer.


More info about the game at
http://www.rsgames.org/

Thanks a lot.

Best regards

Vojta.

Re: New Member

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello John,

Nice to meet you there :-).

As I've told you, yes, I think Mate is more accessible. I can also help 
you on Mate because I use it myself.


The correct way to obtain answer to your question is:

 * Open one thread for one problem
 * Don't ask general question like it doesn't work, nothing work, etc
   because it is too general to help you. It's like if you say to some
   one that come to find you, "I'm lost" without more detailed.


If you have an IT department for your job, don't hesitate to write a new 
thread with detail on the issue you've.


First thing you need to know in first place, you need to switch from 
Wayland to X.Org for your GNOME Session because Wayland is not correctly 
ready for accessibility.


Best regards.

Le 24/04/2020 à 00:40, John J. Boyer a écrit :

Hello,

I have just subscribed to this list. I have Buster. Recently I installed Gnome 
with Orca. I use Braille only, since I am deaf-blind. However, I have been 
having a
lot of difficulty. Now I am told that Mate is more accessible than Gnome, 
especially for Braille. What do you think?

Thanks,
John

Re: Nextcloud client accessibility

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 12/04/2020 à 11:52, Patrick ZAJDA a écrit :
Is there a way to get public links or share folders using command line 
or do you use the web interface and only use the command line client 
to synchronize?


I'm using the GUI and many thanks for your question, I've just 
discovered the package caja-nextcloud that does the trick.


Best regards.

Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 14/03/2020 à 16:56, Alan Tu a écrit :

I guess Debian's defaults are the defaults for a reason. Here I
thought Gnome (Gnome 3) would have fewer bugs than Mate, a fork of
Gnome 2.
I personally using Mate because it just works. Mate is not just a fork 
of GNOME2, it's a continuation of GNOME2. There are plenty of reasons 
why I prefer Mate over GNOME but the main one is because Mate just takes 
care of accessibility and do what I expect to have on my computer.


Best regards.

Re: new 10.3 install, Gnome, screen reader starts talking then system appears to freeze, how can I troubleshoot?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Alan,

I see two options to try to figure out your issue the easiest way:
* To determine If it's a compatibility issue with your hardware could 
you please try to install Debian Testing ?
* To check if it's a GNOME issues, could you please try to install Mate 
instead of GNOME ?


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 13/03/2020 à 22:28, Alan Tu a écrit :

Hello, I installed Debian 10.3 to a USB flash drive. The USB flash
drive is a brand new, higher end Samsung USB, that I just bought for
this purpose.

This USB boots. I hear one beep (MBR boot?) then Orca speaks (or, I
think its Orca):
screen reader on, 13 push button [word]
I missed the final word. I think "13" refers to the day of the month.

Then the system stops responding. Enter, Super+Alt+S, Super+Tab, or
Alt+Tab yield nothing. I think the system has frozen.

This is not inside a virtual machine. The CPU is 64-bit, and I have 16
GB of RAM.

When I was using the text installer, I chose Gnome (menu choice 2)
along with SSH (11) and standard utilities (12).

I believe I can find a way to mount the USB drive and review logs.
What can I review to help narrow this down?

Alan

Re: add accessibility section to "List of sections" pages?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 24/02/2020 à 16:51, Rich Morin a écrit :

I recently wrote the following note todebian-...@lists.debian.org:


The Debian "List of sections" pages (eg,https://packages.debian.org/stable) 
have no section for accessibility.  Please consider adding one, listing such packages as 
BRLTTY, Emacspeak, and Orca.  If it helps, I'd be happy to help in assembling a starting 
point for the package list.
I'm aware of this "list" 
 already available. It's 
mostly a maintainer list.


Which sections are you referring to? On packages.debian.org I'm seeing 
only "main", "contrib" and "non-free" sections.


Best regards.

Re: Console Font for Lower Vision People

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 07/01/2020 à 23:55, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

 From the bts log, it seems that issues come from outdated files from
upgrade systems. It would be good to investigate with Anton what exactly
remains from such upgrades. A freshly installed system doesn't have the
issue: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, and the effect is both immediate
as well as after a reboot.
I've reinstall my system for Buster, configured TerminusBold at size 32 
but at each reboot I don't see the font configuration.


Does it work for you with such font configuration?

Best regards.

Re: Console Font for Lower Vision People

[Alex ARNAUD]

The main issue here is despite of the font selected at each startup the 
TTY doesn't load it. You need to run manually "setup-con" blindly to 
make it working. This seems to be this issue 
.


Best regards.

Le 07/01/2020 à 16:52, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Hello,

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mar. 07 janv. 2020 10:15:18 -0500, a ecrit:

Debian has a program to reconfigure console font, but it does not
include the larger size fonts such as Terminus ter-v32b.psf.gz

The name suggests a 32pixel font. As documented on
https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Console_fonts , the
Debian-installer Terminus font has a 32x16 size option.


Could someone in this group get this to be included in Debian, and for
the dpkg-reconfigure console setup incorporate it as low vision font.

This is already available in dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, you just
need to choose the Terminus font, and you will be able to choose 16x32.


I don't have the skills, but I believe if someone does, and it might
be simple, fonts can be generated by this font into larger sizes.

This is discussed in bug #595696 (see
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595696 ). It's a
matter of someone taking the time to do it.

Samuel

Re: New voxin

[Alex ARNAUD]

Yes, you can try them from the Nuance Vocalizer website there: 
https://www.nuance.com/omni-channel-customer-engagement/voice-and-ivr/text-to-speech.html#! 



Best regards.

Le 31/12/2019 à 12:54, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. a écrit :
Giles of ORALUX told me samples of voices will be posted soon.  Are 
they posted elsewhere?


Emacspeak integration will be done hopefully in 4 months.

Best wishes,

David

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 03:47 Vojtěch Šmiro > wrote:


Hello.


New Voxin TTS with Vocalizer embedded is out now.


https://voxin.oralux.net/ 


I wish you a happy New year.


Best regards


Vojta.

Re: Future of Accessibility in Debian

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Thomas,

To be fully clear: There is no risk to see something changes on your 
experience until approximately 4 years. The issue we've found are in 
GTK4 and we'll work with GTK4 developers to ensure the Linux 
accessibility will continue to be as good as today.


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 08/11/2019 à 01:21, thom...@fastmail.cn a écrit :

Hi,
I have followed the discussion on the orca list lately and the conflicts around 
GTK 4 accessibility. I guess without getting into the drama of it all, I would 
just like to ask those who are knowledgeable if they think we will have Linux 
accessibility going into the future. I guess the issue seems to be that patches 
are being created for what upstream thinks is a broken system in some ways and 
it sounds like things like keyboard snooping could cause problems in the 
future. I honestly don't know enough to understand whether its broken from a 
design standpoint, however, it at least lets me use the computer.
I am not a skilled enough developer to understand all this yet but I rely on 
accessibility software for my job. I guess I would just like as honest as an 
answer as possible. If people think accessibility is going to be removed or key 
parts of the needed infrastructure, I see no other option than to buy a Mac now 
so that I can continue to operate the computer in the future. I did notice some 
comments that proposed removing ATK entirely which obviously would leave me 
dead in the water.. Ultimately, if the end is approaching, I would like to 
purchase a Mac  as soon as possible since I will have to relearn the computer 
and a new screen reader (VoiceOver and would like as smooth a transition as 
possible.
I love using free software and hope to continue doing so, however, I ultimately 
have to do what is necessary to keep my job so I can support myself.
Thanks for any information and i hope those here can understand my concerns and 
honestly just not knowing what to do based on not having the technical 
knowledge to understand entirely what is happening in the different upstream 
packages.

Re: brltty 6.0 is in Debian experimental

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Samuel,

I know that Jean-Philippe has tested this release without encountering 
any issue.


After thinking and discusssing I assume pushing BRLTTY 6.0 to Sid seems 
the way to go to expect having feedback from users. Also, as Testing 
could be buggy I assume having a buggy software is a assumed risk of 
each testing/sid users.


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 17/09/2019 à 20:56, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Hello,

Brltty 6.0 has landed in experimental, up for your giving a try!

Samuel

Re: Buster and Orca

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Sebseb01,

How do you have installed GNOME?
If you install Debian with braille or speech synthesis you should have 
Mate by default.


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 24/08/2019 à 13:01, Sebseb01 a écrit :

Hello,

thank-you for your answer.

But it's not so easy. When i selected "gnome on xorg" in gdm, i don't 
have sound after login, Braille working well.


in Orca settings all setting for Vox are disabled (i can't select 
speech-dispatcher).


Working well if i return in "Gnome".

(Now, arrow up and down, stop working for navigation in topbar of 
gnome-shell with wayland)


I donˆt have idea for solving this sound problem. any one can suggest a 
solution ? you need more info ?


Thanks
---
Sebseb01


Le ven. 23 août 2019 à 10:35, Samuel Thibault > a écrit :


Hello,

Sebseb01, le ven. 23 août 2019 10:28:40 +0200, a ecrit:
 > i have a debian buster with gnome desktop (gnome-shell) with wayland.

Please switch back gnome to X11.  These are known issues with Wayland
that can't be resolved easily.

Samuel

Re: Emacspeak et Emacs sur Windows 8.1 et 10

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Pierre,

It looks like you not on the right mailing list.

Here it's a mailing list about Debian accessibility in English.

Best regards,
Alex.

Le 12/06/2019 à 07:10, Pierre Gaumond a écrit :

Bonjour,
Je suis aveugle et je travaille actuellement sur Windows 8.1 avec la 
synthèse vocale JAWS 16 mais je compte passer bientôt à Windows 10 avec 
JAWS 2019.
Je sais programmer en langage C et j'ai téléchargé MinGW sur mon 
ordinateur.
Est-ce relativement facile de travailler comme programmeur avec Emacs et 
Emacspeak sur Windows?
J'ai travaillé sur Unix autrefois et j'étais celui qui faisais 
l'installation de Emacs sur notre système.
J'ai un peu travaillé avec Emacs à l'époque mais je ne me rappelle pas 
très bien comment faire.

J'ai un tutoriel sur Emacs qui est très bien fait.
Il me faudrait le meilleur site pour télécharger Emacs et Emacspeak sur 
mon Windows et l'installer.
J'avais vu quelques scripts en Elisp mais je ne connais pas sa syntaxe. 
Existe-t-il un tutoriel sur Elisp?

Le script Elisp pour éditer et compiler en C est-il disponible?
Je ne sais pas comment changer la variable d'environnement PATH pour 
inclure les chemins appropriés pour travailler convenablement.

Merci pour toute aide.
Pierre

How to use speech synthesis in Hebrew ?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello all,

I'm helping a blind person to use his computer and he speaks Hebrew. I'm 
looking for him to find an Hebrew voice to read his language.


Are you aware of such voice and how to use it with Speech Dispatcher ?

I've found mbrola voices in Hebrew but those voices don't work through 
Speech Dispatcher because Espeak or Espeak NG don't map them.


I've tried this command to test (I'm sorry but I don't know Hebrew 
sentence):

echo 'I do a test' | espeak-ng -v mb-hb1 --stdin --pho


And I obtain:

Error: The specified espeak-ng voice does not exist.


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: How to write in Chinese ?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 28/11/2018 à 20:43, Cindy-Sue Causey a écrit :

Hi, Alex.. I started to delete this because I didn't have an answer,
then I remembered our Debian Lists. No promises they can help, but
here are two Chinese Debian listservs with what appear to be on-topic
tech posts for those lists (i.e. lists still appear active instead of
just being sp-am bait):


The reason why I'm asking here is because I know how to write in Chinese 
but I don't know how to write in Chinese in a accessible way to a blind 
person with Orca.


Best regards,
Alex.

How to write in Chinese ?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello all,

I'm helping a blind person that needs to write in Chinese, I assume it's 
in the mandarin language.


I'm looking for an accessible way to write mandarin, I've found that 
ibus supports mandarin but it seems it's not accessible for Orca at all.


How do you proceed to write such language?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Alex.

Re: mbrola became free

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello D.J.J,

If you want a voice as good as Nuance voices or Acapela voices Hypra.fr 
team sells Voxygen hight-quality voices.


You can contact me privately to have a trial version and to know the 
price for your country.


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 30/10/2018 à 16:29, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. a écrit :
Do you have any recommendations for any natural sounding voices, 
especially for US English?


Thanks,

David

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 08:41 Samuel Thibault > wrote:


Devin Prater, le mar. 30 oct. 2018 07:39:13 -0500, a ecrit:
 > Will it have the ability to be integrated into eSpeak?

It's the same mbrola, so it already works with espeak, yes. With the
latest modifications of speech-dispatcher to be released soon, the list
of voices available through the espeak-mbrola-generic module will even
be available for selection (kudos to Didier!)

Samuel

Re: orca 3.28 users should upgrade to 3.28.1-2

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Samuel,

Thanks for the quick fix.

Could you also keep in mind to apply the patch in stretch-backports too?

Best regards,
Alex.

Le 29/06/2018 à 00:54, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Hello,

The wordwrap option has been enabling itself in orca 3.28, even if it is
still quite experimental.

People who have Orca 3.28 should upgrade to package 3.28.1-2 which I
have just uploaded and should land to testing in a couple of days, to
get the fix, then restart Orca, and disable the wordwrap option for
real.

That will save you the bugs of the experimental wordwrap feature :)

Samuel

Re: Cant use accessibility features of compizconfig-settings-manager

[Alex ARNAUD]

GNOME and Compiz are not compatible together. You have to use Mate to be 
able to use Compiz features.


To install Mate on Debian, you've to select Mate in the tasksel step of 
the Debian installer.


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 20/06/2018 à 10:39, Kenneth Schack Banner a écrit :

Hi Alex

Thanks for your fast reply.

In Ubuntu 18.04 its Gnome, but i got issues in all distros ive tried 
(Based on Debian). I dont know how to do that, and think its a lot of 
effort for visually impared users..


Ive bumped into a problem, i tried to search for how to install debian 
for blind users and found out in the boot menu of debian i should click 
s and enter to start a console based installation with speech (Very nice!)


But at a time in the installation, somewhat around the name of the 
computer the speech dies out.. (Maby after selecting wifi network). im 
using the +non-free debian edition to ensure compatibility on my computer.


I have bit sight so it helps and the console (black background and white 
text is very helpful!).


Im trying to get this up and running and will do more testing.

Den 19-06-2018 kl. 09:32 skrev Alex ARNAUD:

Hello Kenneth,

My responses below.

Le 18/06/2018 à 21:40, Kenneth Schack Banner a écrit :
Im a visually impared Linux user, im trying to switch to Debian. 
Currently im running Ubuntu 16.04 and wanted to upgrade to 18.04, but 
for some reason i cant use zoom or negative colors 
(compizconfigsettings-manager compiz-plugins) Enchanced desktop zoom 
and negative).


What is the desktop environment on Ubuntu 18.04 ? To be able to use 
Compiz easily, you should use the Mate desktop and configure it to use 
Compiz as window manager. Is it what you've done ?


I set my own keyboard shortcuts to zoom in/out and turn invert of 
colors on/off. But its not working.. I've tried other distros with 
same fault (Based on Debian) so now i guess the problem is in Debian..


I don't think so as I'm also using Compiz with EZoom and negative 
right now to write this message on Debian 9 "Stretch" with the Mate 
desktop environment.


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Cant use accessibility features of compizconfig-settings-manager

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Kenneth,

My responses below.

Le 18/06/2018 à 21:40, Kenneth Schack Banner a écrit :
Im a visually impared Linux user, im trying to switch to Debian. 
Currently im running Ubuntu 16.04 and wanted to upgrade to 18.04, but 
for some reason i cant use zoom or negative colors 
(compizconfigsettings-manager compiz-plugins) Enchanced desktop zoom and 
negative).


What is the desktop environment on Ubuntu 18.04 ? To be able to use 
Compiz easily, you should use the Mate desktop and configure it to use 
Compiz as window manager. Is it what you've done ?


I set my own keyboard shortcuts to zoom in/out and turn invert of colors 
on/off. But its not working.. I've tried other distros with same fault 
(Based on Debian) so now i guess the problem is in Debian..


I don't think so as I'm also using Compiz with EZoom and negative right 
now to write this message on Debian 9 "Stretch" with the Mate desktop 
environment.


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Orca not reading some punctuation when espeak-ng is used I found so far less than and greater than

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello am_dxer,

I suspect a bug on the speech-dispatcher side or on espeak-ng side. 
Could it be possible for you to investigate this issue?


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 16/04/2018 à 05:56, am_d...@fastmail.fm a écrit :

When using Espeak-ng, Orca doesn't read < or > for me when punctuation is set 
to all. I didn't have this problem when using standard Espeak. This can be reproduced 
when reading by line or word. I tested in Firefox and Pluma. The punctuation setting 
is on the speech tab of Orca's preferences. This is using Debian testing.

Re: Hi, I am blind

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 14/04/2018 à 08:56, adri Orjales Vidal a écrit :

Hello, I am blind and I need to use a screen reader so I can use my pc. I am 
tired to use windows, and I wanted to start using Devian, but here I saw that 
the screen reader Orca is kilometers away from NVDA, non visual desktop access, 
wich is a windows screen reader very fast. NVDA is open source, and it is 
developed over python
I think that if you are able to add it in Devian I will be the happiest man in 
the world!!
If it is not possible, please you should update Orca, the screen readers are 
more useful when are low level of system development, so you must change the 
way to make it really useful


Hello adri,

If you're a beginner in the GNU/Linux world, I don't advise you to 
upgrade Orca and the accessibility stack from stretch-backports as they 
can be broken. backports of Debian are not as tested as the regular 
distribution. I've tested it quickly on one my VM and I confirm that it 
works.


Could you explain us why do you think Orca is far away from NVDA?
I'm using Orca everyday and advanced users of NVDA have switch to Orca 
and are really happy with it. Orca provides most of the feature NVDA has.


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: sound-icons integration with speech-dispatcher?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Jeremy,

As I can see, it's only sound events related to specific back-ends.

I've never hear such sounds from speech-dispatcher, Orca doesn't provide 
such support.


I've added Kendell Clark in CC that is more aware about this topic, see 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2015/05/msg00031.html


Best regards,
Alex.

Le 09/04/2018 à 15:05, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :

Hi,

How integrated is sound-icons with speech-dispatcher?

I'm asking because we are late in Ubuntu 18.04's release cycle and
Ubuntu is considering lowering speech-dispatcher's Recommends:
sound-icons to Suggests. If Ubuntu did that, what would Ubuntu miss
out on?

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

Re: Debian accessibility settings

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 15/03/2018 à 15:53, michael caron couturier a écrit :

If you need at all cost to see to under that accessibility isn't on a
build made from the mini iso :

https://i.imgur.com/VIVjeSl.png


What your screenshot means is you've install Debian without 
accessibility enabled on the installation media. If you install Debian 
as a sighted person accessibility of the new environment will not be 
configured properly. If you expect to have a out-of-the-box environment 
with accessibility you have to install with braille, speech or both.


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Accessibility for person with a motor disability

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 21/03/2018 à 15:27, Eric Johansson a écrit :

On 3/20/2018 5:35 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:


What is as you know the most efficient way to write text with a
head-tracking software?

I'm frustrated by this kind of question because frequently, this is the
wrong question. you should be asking what is the appropriate interface
to enable the person with a disability to write, and more importantly,
edit text.  much of this thread has been proposing answers based on
what's available, not what the person needs.


I understand what you mean. I just don't know what people with motor 
disability need. I'm trying to understand what it is available and I'll 
check with an association what the users use in practice. I'm in the 
first step on a long way.



I can't use keyboards much because of a repetitive stress injury. I
would say that the most efficient way to write text with a head tracking
software is to not even try at all. It's the wrong tool. For many kinds
of mobility-based disabilities (RSI, arthritis, amputation etc.) speech
recognition would be a better tool.


Which tool are you using on your GNU/Linux distribution for doing speech 
recognition ?


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Accessibility for person with a motor disability

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 20/03/2018 à 18:31, Mats L a écrit :
Both Onboard and Caribou were intended as replacements of GOK, but are 
not really.
GOK was an ambitious effort to provide tailorable access for individuals 
with major motor difficulties, including need for single and double 
switch input. But it was not a very suitable option for a wider group of 
users with a need for a more basic on-screen keyboard for use with 
direct point and click or touch selection.


Do you have reported such bugs against onboard or Caribou?

Do you have asked upstream to make GOK comes back if it has a different 
purpose?


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Accessibility for person with a motor disability

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Thibaut,

Le 20/03/2018 à 11:14, Thibaut Paumard a écrit :

Le 20/03/2018 à 10:35, Alex ARNAUD a écrit :
What is as you know the most efficient way to write text with a 
head-tracking software?


Dear Alex,

Dasher comes to mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasher_(software)


I've tested it, looks good to me.
Is Dasher should be configured to replace the keyboard when I open a 
text edition field? I've found how to write text but it's only from the 
dasher window so imagine if I would like to enter text on Firefox, how I 
can do that? Maybe there is a documentation I could look on? (I've 
already read some documentation I've found on the dasher website).


Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Accessibility for person with a motor disability

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 19/03/2018 à 20:46, Cesar Mauri a écrit :

* Does head-tracking is really efficient?


(Disclaimer: I'm the author of eViacam and EVA Facial Mouse)


Are you aware of differences between eviacam and GNOME mousetrap?

However, if you mean whether is there a FOSS head tracker solution 
available for GNU/Linux as efficient as similar products, then I would 
say yes.


It's exactly what I expect indeed. What is as you know the most 
efficient way to write text with a head-tracking software?


* Do you know if there are other useful application? 


There was a website that collected many open source assistive technology 
software (not only for GNU/Linux). The site is now gone but could be 
still consulted here:


Thanks you for the link.

Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Accessibility for person with a motor disability

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 19/03/2018 à 18:03, Gregg Vanderheiden GPII a écrit :

have you tried the Unified Listing? http://ul.gpii.net  part of  
http://GPII.net


I've discovered the Unified Listing with your message. It's really 
interesting. Thanks for the tips.


Best regards,
Alex.

Accessibility for person with a motor disability

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello all,

To help people with motor disability, I'm trying to search what software 
and technologies exist on GNU/Linux.


Sorry for the cross-list post but I don't know where to ask for help.

I've already found the following software:
* dasher: for writing text
* eviacam: a head tracking software
* mousetrap: another head tracking software
* onboard: a configurable on-screen keyboard

My questions are:
* Do you know if there is eye-tracking software?
* Does head-tracking is really efficient?
* Do you know if there are other useful application?
* Do you know how to use the numeric keyboard to move the mouse on Mate?
* Is there a mailing list or forum where there are people with motor 
disability using GNU/Linux?


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Mate Upstream Keyboard Shortcuts Unbound in Debian

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 09/03/2018 à 19:51, am_d...@fastmail.fm a écrit :

Hello,
I noticed that the shortcut to switch between panels in a popup 
(Control+Alt+Tab is unbound in Debian in the latest testing. I was not sure if 
this was done for some reason or if this might be a bug? It seems bound in 
other Linux's but maybe it conflicts with something I am not aware of in 
Debian. I tried to look around a bit but couldn't find anyone speaking about 
this in previous discussions.



Hello am_dxer,

A fix for this bug has been pushed to Debian Sid this week. You'll see 
it in the next week on Debian testing. Another fix has been made for 
ctrl+alt+tab to work correctly but I'm not sure if a release with the 
fix has been publish yet.


More details here: https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/118

Best regards,
Alex.

Re: Evince, again not accessible?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 02/02/2018 à 10:00, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :

Hi,

Few time ago, a new evince release was uploaded in testing. So far text 
PDF were accessible again (after a tim they were not readable at all). 
With this new release, they are again not accessible. Should I fill a 
bug? Reproducing is simple: open Evince, press f7, accept to enable the 
browse mode, press down arrow, and nothing is read even in a text PDF file.


Hello JP,

I can't confirm this on Debian Sid, Orca master and Evince 3.26.0-3.

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Indicator accessibility

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 18/01/2018 à 17:31, Egon a écrit :

Thank you very much for your reply.
I try to go to the indicator applet by pressing Control-Alt-escape key 
combination. Then i try to go with left/right, up/down arrows.

Orca only told me that "Show the desktop", nothing more.
What are the keyboard shortcuts of the indicator applet?


To go to the top bar you should press ctrl+alt+shift+escape. On the top 
bar to switch between the applets the shortcut is "tab".


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Disabling orca lightdm-gtk-greeter

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 02/01/2018 à 17:26, john doe a écrit :

Hi list,

How can I disable orca at lightdm-gtk-greeter?
Basically, I want to disable orca at the prompt where I need to enter my 
credentials before logging into 'MATE'.




Hello John,

I use the following command on Debian to remove Orca on lightdm :
sudo mv /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/80_orca-dm-wrapper.conf 
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/80_orca-dm-wrapper.conf.save && sudo mv 
/etc/xdg/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/80_orca-dm-wrapper.conf 
/etc/xdg/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/80_orca-dm-wrapper.conf.save


Best regards.
--
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: pulseaudio and espeakup

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 30/12/2017 à 01:11, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

- espeakup and lightdm/gdm could be given audio group access, but then
there are two competing pulseaudio servers, and only the first one seems
to actually manage to emit sound.


Only PulseAudio could emits sound at the same time. A possible solution 
could be to enable to emit sound from TCP or Unix socket as described 
here: http://billauer.co.il/blog/2014/01/pa-multiple-users/


What do you think about this solution?
It seems it's not only a accessibility issue because a computer could be 
used by multiple users and in some situations sighted users encounter 
this problem also.



In the end, I have no idea how this situation is supposed to work, and
for now I have just made the espeakup d-i script *purge* pulseaudio,
to get things working. Of course I can see various documentations
saying one could use a system-mode daemon, but upstream doesn't want
that. Normally, espeakup could have its own pulseaudio server, playing
well along pulseaudio servers of other users, but I failed to get
something working.


I'm not sure removing PulseAudio is a good idea. As I understand New 
Firefox releases require PulseAudio to emit sound.



We really need to fix this (and I'm really depressed that it seems
nobody took the time to manage to work out a solution).


I agree with you on this particular point but you couldn't miss the 
contribution of Paul and Jeremy on accessibility team on packaging that 
could allow you to focus on more complicated tasks you seems to be aware of.


Best regards.--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Debian Official Live DVD and Orca problem

[Alex ARNAUD]

The Debian Live DVD is not really maintained. If you want to use a live 
image of a GNU/Linux distribution you should use Ubuntu Mate where the 
keyboard shortcut works.


Best regards.
--
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"


Le 20/12/2017 à 13:13, Egon a écrit :

Hi!


Desktop was completely loaded when I tried to press Windows-Alt-s key 
combination.


I asked my friend's help to see the screen.

I pressed the Windows-Alt-s combination, nothing happpened.

I waited some minutes but the same result. :-(


What is wrong?

Best regards: Egon

Need testers for Atril PDF accessibility

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello all,

The Mate developers have shipped accessibility features on the Atril PDF 
Viewer: 
https://github.com/mate-desktop/atril/pull/285#issuecomment-346789007


Could it be possible for some of you to test it and give us your feedback?

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Brltty 5.5 in sid, and experimental change in experimental

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 12/11/2017 à 12:44, Shérab a écrit :

Yes yes, I had brltty 5.5-2 running for several days now and everything
seems to work just fine.


Could you get the BRLTTY 5.5-3 package from experimental and check if it 
works correctly for you ?


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Brltty 5.5 in sid, and experimental change in experimental

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 05/11/2017 à 18:06, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Hello,

Samuel Thibault, on dim. 01 oct. 2017 23:12:43 +0200, wrote:

I have also uploaded a version 5.5-3 to experimental, which moves the
brltty binary from /sbin to /bin, just like upstream does.  Normally the
compatibility symlink put in /sbin avoids any backward compatibility
issues, but I'd rather see some people test it to make sure that I
didn't miss any issue, before uploading that change to sid.


So, did some people try it, so I can push the change to sid?


One of the french user of Debian that I know used this release since it 
was published. It has noticed no change between 5.5-2 and 5.5-3.


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Brltty 5.5 in sid, and experimental change in experimental

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 05/11/2017 à 18:06, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Hello,

Samuel Thibault, on dim. 01 oct. 2017 23:12:43 +0200, wrote:

I have also uploaded a version 5.5-3 to experimental, which moves the
brltty binary from /sbin to /bin, just like upstream does.  Normally the
compatibility symlink put in /sbin avoids any backward compatibility
issues, but I'd rather see some people test it to make sure that I
didn't miss any issue, before uploading that change to sid.


So, did some people try it, so I can push the change to sid?


@Raphaël @Shérab @Sebastian
Is it possible for you to test the new BRLTTY 5.5 package from experimental?

As I'm not a daily braille user I think my test couldn't be realistic.

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Bug#880735: accerciser: missing dependency on python3-xlib

[Alex ARNAUD]

Package: accerciser
Version: 3.22.0-3

Dear all,

When I've tried to launch accerciser on a Debian Sid I've obtain the 
following error:

/usr/bin/accerciser:48: PyGIWarning: Gtk was imported without specifying a 
version first. Use gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') before import to ensure 
that the right version gets loaded.
  from gi.repository import Gtk as gtk
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/accerciser/node.py:21: PyGIWarning: Rsvg was 
imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('Rsvg', 
'2.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded.
  from gi.repository import Rsvg as rsvg
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/accerciser", line 74, in 
accerciser.main()
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/accerciser/__init__.py", line 34, in main
from .accerciser import Main
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/accerciser/accerciser.py", line 27, in 

from .accessible_treeview import *
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/accerciser/accessible_treeview.py", line 26, 
in 
from .node import Node
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/accerciser/node.py", line 27, in 
import Xlib, Xlib.display
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Xlib


I've resolved the issue in installing python3-xcalib.

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: Need sponsor to package Oomox : tool to personalize GTK theme

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 27/10/2017 à 16:01, Paul Gevers a écrit :

Hi Alex,


Hi Paul,


On 27-10-17 13:49, Alex ARNAUD wrote:

Do I need to close the ITP and reopen an RFS request? Does anybody could
sponsored me to make oomox shipped into Debian?


Best is to change the ITP to RFS. You can also request sponsors via the
mentors process¹ if people lurking on this list are too slow.


What do you mean by change ITP to RFS? I have to change the title and 
change the related package from "wnpp" to "sponsorship-requests"?



What's the bug number? Have you tagged it with the accessibility tag
already? Do you want to maintain it in the a11y team? 


The bug is this one : 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865621

It could be great if this tool could be maintain inside the a11y team :).


Why not ask kibi,
who seems to be already doing commits?


Because it's outside of the Debian official scope.

Best regards.
--
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Need sponsor to package Oomox : tool to personalize GTK theme

[Alex ARNAUD]

Dear all,

Few months ago I've opened a ITP to package Oomox for Debian, see 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00278.html



This package allows people to customize the GTK+ theme, and is based on the 
Numix theme. It is a substitute of gnome-color-chooser that is deprecated (only 
for GTK+2).


This program is useful for people that want to create a new GTK+ theme and is useful for low-vision people that needs to change the contrast of the default theme. 


I've packaged it for Stretch to Hypra downstream repository here: 
http://git.hypra.fr/alexarnaud/oomox/commits/stretch-1.2.6-2


Do I need to close the ITP and reopen an RFS request? Does anybody could 
sponsored me to make oomox shipped into Debian?


Best regards.
--
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: broken xcalib

[Alex ARNAUD]

The workaround is described in the comment #25 on the bug 851810 : 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851810#25


Best regards.
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Le 27/10/2017 à 12:41, loredana a écrit :

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Alex ARNAUD <alexarn...@hypra.fr> wrote:


I can confirm the issue. A low-vision person reports me this issue. There is
a workaround to solve the issue if you are able to change the default xorg
configuration.


Could you please explain the workaround or point us somewhere?

Thanks,
Loredana

Re: Bug#851810: broken xcalib

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 27/10/2017 à 11:28, Paul Gevers a écrit :

Hi,

On 27-10-17 11:25, Alex ARNAUD wrote:

It should be solved for all the users indeed. I'll add the accessibility
tag.


I was about to do the same.

Seems like this package can have some love. If anybody can find a patch,
I'll do the (political) work to get it in.


Does an upstream bug exist for this issue ?

Best regards.
--
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: broken xcalib

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hi Florian,

I can confirm the issue. A low-vision person reports me this issue. 
There is a workaround to solve the issue if you are able to change the 
default xorg configuration.
It should be solved for all the users indeed. I'll add the accessibility 
tag.


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Le 27/10/2017 à 09:28, Florian Wille a écrit :

Hi List,

'xcalib -ia' is used for accessibilty needs to invert the screen, e.g. 
for applications that do not respect high contrast themes. For Jessie 
its broken or X is, depends on how you look at it:


https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851810

Is there any way to get this fixed? This bug is just sitting there for 
nine months...


Florian

Re: Orca autostart problem

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 11/09/2017 à 07:59, Egon a écrit :

Hi!


Hi!


How can I put Orca in my startup programs or preferred programs?

Will it be fixed if i reinstall the system choosing a "Installer with 
speech synthesizer support"?


The most simple way is to go to the startup application and add Orca to 
it. In the name you can type Orca and in the command you have to type 
"orca" in lower case.


Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD

Re: Orca autostart problem

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 11/09/2017 à 07:59, Egon a écrit :

Hi!


Hi!


How can I put Orca in my startup programs or preferred programs?

Will it be fixed if i reinstall the system choosing a "Installer with 
speech synthesizer support"?


The most simple way is to go to the startup application and add Orca to 
it. In the name you can type Orca and in the command you have to type 
"orca" in lower case.


Best regards.
--
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: gnome-orca version policy?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 03/09/2017 à 20:12, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Hello,


Hello Samuel


MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, on dim. 03 sept. 2017 01:37:09 +0200, wrote:

Either we focus on GNOME releases, so we will release Orca 3.24 (done),
3.26, etc. To be sure to stay relevant with the GNOME and GTK stack.

Or, solution I prefer, we let Orca with its own policy, given the
importance of fixes in Orca and given it is used on other DE than GNOME.


Agreed, AIUI, Orca is not so tied to gnome releases: newer Orca should
be working fine with older Gnome.  It's then more a question whether
Orca non-even releases are usually less stable than even releases.  Do
people have an opinion on this? 


Orca doesn't really provide alpha or beta versions. Each tagged versions 
are targeted to be the next stable release. Tagged versions are just 
snapshots of the git master branch.



We can also upload non-even versions to
experimental and keep even versions in unstable.


I agree with this proposal.

Best regards.
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Debian accessibility bugs from a low-vision point of view

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 24/08/2017 à 22:20, Samuel Wales a écrit :

[by huge fonts i meant being able to increase font size in all areas
of debian to huge.  by huge dpi i meant having dpi be respected as a
scaling factor.  by no blinking i meant ability to make all cursors,
such as in console, not blink, and do so reliably even after e.g.
emacs invocation.  by ddccontrol broken, i meant the ability to
control hardware backlight per se [not redshift workaround which is
insufficient] and control the monitor on/off/standby status from the
command line.]


I don't understand clearly and fully you're message. I think we could 
help you to try to figure out the issues you encounter.


The process should be to open a new thread for each bug on this mailing 
list to explain in detail what you want to be able to do.


Best regards.
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
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Bug#872912: gnome-orca: Segmentation fault when switching between windows.

[Alex ARNAUD]

Ok, here we go.
It is in atspi... But I have no debugging symbols for that. Seems
I'll have to compile it myself, right? The gdb.txt is attached.


I'm not sure, Does the package libatspi2.0-dev help?

The bug seems this one : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767074

You could add a comment on the GNOME bug tracker with your steps and ask 
them for the debugging process if needed.


Best regards.
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
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Bug#872912: gnome-orca: Segmentation fault when switching between windows.

[Alex ARNAUD]

Thank you for providing those information. Don't forget to CC the bugs 
mail (872...@bugs.debian.org) to ensure everybody will receive the mail.


Orca is a python program so it couldn't segfault so the issue is not 
into Orca but in one of its dependencies.


To figure out what program produces the segfault you could follow those 
steps:
0) I never try to figure out a segfault from a python program so I'll 
learn with you on this bug :)

1) Install the following package for debugging : gdb python3-dbg
2) run gdb for python3 : "gdb python3"
3) in the gdb prompt write :
3.1) set logging on
3.2) run /usr/bin/orca

Could you provide us the generated GDB log file? (default name is gdb.txt)

Best regards.
--
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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Le 22/08/2017 à 15:27, Robert Schindler a écrit :

Hi,

Alex ARNAUD wrote:

What do you mean by "^"? in keyboard shortcut terminology it is ctrl. Is it
the same behavior with alt+tab? Are you able to reproduce the same bug with
the Mate desktop and mate-terminal? Is it the same behavior with two tabs
instead of two windows?


Alt is the key left to the space key. And By "^" I mean the one above
tab, left to the 1.

I installed mate-terminal, but used it under gnome since I've got no way
to install complete mate at the moment. It also crashed when done with 2
mate-terminal windows, but interestingly, it only crashes at the third
Alt+^ meaning the one that brings the git window to focus for the second
time. This is also reproducible. Debug file of that one is attached as
well, but this time its larger because I needed to switch three times
before it crashed.

I also tried with switching between gnome-terminal and firefox-esr. It
got it crashing there as well, but I needed to switch back and forth
about 10 times, and that wasn't reproducible so far.


Could you provide us the full file? Could you upload it on a pastebin
service?


The first debug file is attached to the original bug report message.

Best regards
Robert

Bug#872912: gnome-orca: Segmentation fault when switching between windows.

[Alex ARNAUD]

Orca crashes when switching between different apps (e.g. terminal
windows) while the system is busy.

This behaviour is reproducible on my system:
- Open two gnome-terminal windows.
- In the first, run "git gc --aggressive --prune" inside the cpython
   repository to make the system busy.
- Wait 20 seconds until git starts compressing stuff.
- In the second window, run "orca --debug".
- Wait 3 seconds
- Press Alt+^ (once or twice) to switch back and forth between the two
   windows.


What do you mean by "^"? in keyboard shortcut terminology it is ctrl. Is 
it the same behavior with alt+tab? Are you able to reproduce the same 
bug with the Mate desktop and mate-terminal? Is it the same behavior 
with two tabs instead of two windows?



Orca now crashes with a segmentation fault. I have a 44k orca debug
file, if that helps.


Could you provide us the full file? Could you upload it on a pastebin 
service?


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Re: How long id Jessie supported?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 04/08/2017 à 23:42, Mark Peveto a écrit :

sorry it took me a couple days to get back to you.
I am using stretch, but have considered moving back to jessie, since spd-conf 
to work with speech dispatcher doesn't work in stretch.  Withouth being
able to use spd-conf to move speech-dispatcher to libao instead of pulseaudio, 
my progress beeps do not work in orca, and that's alnmost a deal breaker


You can switch to libao without spd-conf. You could edit the 
"/etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf" and below the line '# 
AudioOutputMethod "pulse"' add the following line : 'AudioOutputMethod 
"libao"'



Libreoffice didn't wanna install from backports for me either, claiming I'd 
held broken packages.  Somehow, it ended up
working with orca, but it was another issue I hit.


I don't understand exactly what you mean here. What did you try to do?


I couldn't install dropbox without using a jessie repo to do it.
I think that's probably enough for now.


You could install dropbox with Caja or Nautilus :
- For caja : sudo apt install caja-dropbox
- For nautilus : sudo apt install nautilus-dropbox

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Bug#706544: gnome-orca: No more braille output after restarting orca

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 04/08/2017 à 04:26, Paul Gevers a écrit :

Hi Alex

On 03-08-17 08:17, Alex ARNAUD wrote:

I think this bug is not still alive on recent Debian version because lot
of people use braille and restart Orca without encounter this issue on
Debian Jessie and Debian Stretch.


I'll close it.


Please don't close bugs with this reasoning, it may be a corner case
where this bug is about (e.g. specific hardware, or user options). If
you are concerned about having to much bugs open without being able to
act upon them, then I suggest instead we request more info (and tag the
bug as "moreinfo" and/or "unreproducible") from the submitter and ask if
the bug still happens on the Debian version you are interested in. If no
response appears than we can close after a reasonable amount of time
(e.g. 3 months) because then there is nothing actionable.


You're correct. The last response on the thread receive no answer from 
the reporter after two years. I have to be more precise on my close 
message for the future.


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Bug#757636: gnome-orca: Additional info

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Jean-Philippe,

I can't be able to reproduce this issue. Could you provide us a 
steps-by-steps procedure?


What I've done is :
1) Open Pluma
2) Open the Mate menu
3) Press escape
4) Read the current character with the flat review command

Result : Orca reads the current character. The flat review is 
synchronized with the current focus.


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Bug#706548: gnome-orca: No speech in login screen

[Alex ARNAUD]

On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:04:32 +0100 Odd Martin Baanrud <mar...@lb7ye.net> 
wrote:

> Package: gnome-orca
> Version: 3.14.0-4
> Followup-For: Bug #706548
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello again,
>
> When lightdm starts at boot, I have both braille and speech output.
> However, when logging out, and the login screen re-appears, I only 
get braille output.


You could find a script written by Colomben WENDLING (b4n) that figures 
out this issue here : 
http://git.hypra.fr/hypra/mate-accessibility/blob/master/etc/X11/Xsession.d/01speech-dispatcher-pulseaudio-cleanup-with-session
Copy the file content into the file 
"/etc/X11/Xsession.d/01speech-dispatcher-pulseaudio-cleanup-with-session"


@Samuel: Do you think we could propose it into jessie update to solve 
the issue for all ?


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Bug#706544: gnome-orca: No more braille output after restarting orca

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello all,


I think this bug is not still alive on recent Debian version because lot 
of people use braille and restart Orca without encounter this issue on 
Debian Jessie and Debian Stretch.



I'll close it.


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Bug#758434: Re : Re: Bug#758434: Re : Bug#870366: libreoffice-writer: Comment text not accessible with screen reader

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 03/08/2017 à 10:56, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, on jeu. 03 août 2017 10:47:23 +0200, wrote:

Ok I understand. But then, how is it possible to tie link, gather, merge them?,


Again, are these actually the same bug? If so, yes, they must be merged.
Otherwise they need to be kept seperate.

Now, if you want to make both the orca package and the libreoffice
package aware of the issue, BTS' "affects" command can be used, to say
that a bug in a package affects another package.


In bugzilla for example it is possible to make a bug depends on another 
one to be fixed.


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Re: How long id Jessie supported?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 02/08/2017 à 22:05, Mark Peveto a écrit :

I seem to be having much better luck with jessie than stretch.  How long will 
jessie be supported?
thanks.


Jessie will be supported 5 years from the release date of 2015-04-26.

Could you tell us why you couldn't use Stretch? It is important to fix 
bugs that could block a complete migration.


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Bug#758434: Re : Bug#870366: libreoffice-writer: Comment text not accessible with screen reader

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 02/08/2017 à 21:07, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, on mar. 01 août 2017 15:26:16 +0200, wrote:

I had submitted a similar bug related to gnome-orca:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758434

When I did we did not have explanations about origin of the bug, etc. Maybe we 
should merge them, or close the gnome-orca one, or reaffect orca ont to it?


It depends whether it's actually the same bug (then merge) or not (then
not merge).

Reaffecting bugs can be useful, depending who you want to get the
attention of on the bug.


We should keep the two bugs. Nothing tells us when LibreOffice will 
implement the comment feature Orca will work. Maybe a work should be 
made into Orca to take into account the new LibreOffice feature.


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Bug#758434: Re : Bug#870366: libreoffice-writer: Comment text not accessible with screen reader

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 01/08/2017 à 15:26, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :

Hi,


Hi,


I had submitted a similar bug related to gnome-orca:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758434

When I did we did not have explanations about origin of the bug, etc. Maybe we 
should merge them, or close the gnome-orca one, or reaffect orca ont to it?


We could link the bug you mention on this one.

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Re: Russian voice for Linux other than Espeak ?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Hello Pierre,

Thank you for your answer.

A native speaker tells me to use the RHVoice because it should be the 
most natural. See more info here : https://github.com/Olga-Yakovleva/RHVoice


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Le 24/07/2017 à 09:47, Pierre Lorenzon a écrit :



Sory !

You are perfectly right there are no ! There are so strange
languages available for mbrola taht it is very surprezing that
there is no russian ! But there is no !

Regards

Pierre

From: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjean...@free.fr>
Subject: Re: Russian voice for Linux other than Espeak ?
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 01:49:04 +0200




Le 23/07/2017 à 01:07, Pierre Lorenzon a écrit :

From: Alex ARNAUD <alexarn...@hypra.fr>
Subject: Russian voice for Linux other than Espeak ?
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:00:16 +0200


Dear all,

I'm looking for a speech synthesis for a blind friend who needs
to read Russian. I know that Espeak provides Russian voice but
Espeak doesn't provide the quality I would expect.

I'm embarrassed to help him due to the large numbers of
documentations about the subject are in Russian.

Do you know if there are voices for Russian ?



   There are almost certainly mbrola voices for russian as wel
   as festival drivers for them.


Festival I dont know, but mbrola I am sure there is not Russian voices,
I had checked.

Regards


   Pierre




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Russian voice for Linux other than Espeak ?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Dear all,

I'm looking for a speech synthesis for a blind friend who needs to read 
Russian. I know that Espeak provides Russian voice but Espeak doesn't 
provide the quality I would expect.


I'm embarrassed to help him due to the large numbers of documentations 
about the subject are in Russian.


Do you know if there are voices for Russian ?

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Re: GNOME 3.24 a11y updates

[Alex ARNAUD]

On 26-06-17 21:49, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

What does it take to test that? I'm not in a place to do it this time
at this second, but I decided to ask anyway.


I don't know (that is also my main problem). Maybe somebody with
insights into at-spi2 can chime in.


I could test those packages in Sid today.


In a quick test it looks like everything is correct.

Thanks a lot for the upload.

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Re: Bug#706902: bugs.debian.org: Adding an a11y tag?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 27/06/2017 à 16:36, Don Armstrong a écrit :

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote:

Don Armstrong, on lun. 26 juin 2017 19:26:33 -0700, wrote:

Its one-letter symbol is ⓐ.


Ah, I hadn't thought about it. I guess it would make sense that it be ♿?


I wasn't in the best position to know if the ISA (♿) was the right
symbol (because accessibility means more than mobility accessibility and
other questions[1]), so I picked something else as a placeholder.


The one-letter symbol is more difficult to read for low-vision and blind 
person than a word tag. For example my speech synthesis (espeak) doesn't 
read the one-letter tag. The size of the one-letter tag is smaller than 
normal english letters with Thunderbird on Debian (maybe also in Firefox)


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Re: Updating gnome-orca to version 3.24

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 25/06/2017 à 14:16, Paul Gevers a écrit :

Hi all,


Hi Paul


Two questions:
- I don't know well how to test gnome-orca myself, shall I upload to
experimental first, such that people on this least can test first? Or
can people test in unstable well enough such that we can block migration
to testing in time if necessary?


If you're not sure you could upload to Experimental first and after that 
we could test before to publish to Unstable.



- The documentation says that gnome-orca goes hand in hand with the same
version of Gnome. In Debian that is currently 3.22, does anybody believe
that to be an issue, or can gnome-orca in principle always be updated to
the latest version?


I use Orca 3.24 from Git on Debian Jessie since the release so it 
couldn't be an issue if not all GNOME packages are updated.


Best regards and thank you for your work :)!
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Re: libreoffice-writer not starting after updating stretch

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 20/06/2017 à 23:58, Keith Barrett a écrit :

Hello,
I have 2 systems with
Debian stretch i386 since updating both systems, libreoffice writer is
not starting.


Hello Keith,

Could you try to launch LibreOffice from command-line to see if there 
are errors ?


From which version to which version have you upgraded LibreOffice ? The 
last LibreOffice update on Stretch date of the 04 May 2017 as you can 
see in the changelog : 
http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/libr/libreoffice/libreoffice_5.2.7-1_changelog


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Re: newbie questions

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 10/06/2017 à 03:00, Nicolas Graner a écrit :

Hello all,


Hello Nicolas, I'm also French too. You could join the French linux 
mailing list that helps blind and visual-impaired : CBLX. To do that 
send a mail to "carrefourblinux-requ...@lists.tuxfamily.org" with the 
subject "subscribe".



I just joined this list because I am considering switching to Debian as
my main OS (currently running Windows and cygwin). Being visually
impaired, I need both full screen magnification and speech output in
French and English.

>

I have two questions at the moment:

1) are there good quality French voices available for free or not too
expensive? Which screen readers can use them?


There are multiple choice :
* Mbrola
* Pico
* Kali TTS : see the demo page here : 
http://www.crisco.unicaen.fr/Demonstration-de-Kali.html (it's a paid 
voice sells for Linux by Hypra.fr)



2) how much RAM would you recommend to run GNOME and Orca comfortably on
a laptop? My vendor says 3 GB is plenty, can you confirm this?


It's depend on what you want to do with your computer. For a regular 
user 3 Gb of RAM is sufficient.


If you want to use a correct screen magnifier you couldn't use GNOME3 
(gnome-shell). You should use Mate with Compiz from Hypra repository 
(for Jessie at this time).


Compiz provides those features :
* Screen magnifier with focus tracking and important choice of settings
* Screen inversion with negative module or color filter for more 
advanced color management

* Possibility to have a cross-hair around the mouse
* and so on :) !

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Re: how do I install libreoffice still?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 31/05/2017 à 20:26, Mark Peveto a écrit :

The version of libreoffice that is in the Debian repo doesn't seem to work with 
orca 3.22.  How do I get a version that does?  This is a huge problem.


I've answered you on the orca-list.

If you want a more recent release of LibreOffice you can use the 
backport version that is 5.2.6 right now.


For details about backports you can take look at this : 
https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/


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Re: wireless configuration

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 16/05/2017 à 14:16, Mark Peveto a écrit :

Alex,
I've tried using the pannel, but it doesn't work for me.  All I can manage to do is get stuck 
between "pannel", and "workspace switcher".  I'd love to
be able to use the pannel if I could ever get it to work.


Hello Mark,
could you tell me which steps do you have followed ?

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Re: wireless configuration

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 16/05/2017 à 11:55, Christian Schoepplein a écrit :

Hi Alex and all,


Hi Christian,


I use the Mate wireless icon from the top panel.
To access it you can do those steps :
1) control+alt+tab until you hear top panel (or something like that, I'm
in French locale)
2) Do shift+tab until you hear network : it's between battery and sound
3) Press enter on it and after use the list with down arrow


Sorry, this does not work on my system, current Debian testing.


Indeed, I'm talking about Debian stable.


I can get into a pannel when pressing strg+alt+tab, but the only button
I can access in this panel is to activate the desktop when tapping
through the panels elements. Seems like it is the button and not the top
panel.

How can I get into the top panel via a keyboard shortcut?


On testing the steps are a little bit differents :
1) Go to the desktop
2) Press ctrL+alt+shift+tab

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Re: wireless configuration

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 16/05/2017 à 03:03, Mark Peveto a écrit :

Using debian with mate desktop, what are folks doing as far as wireless
configs...


Hello Mark,

I use the Mate wireless icon from the top panel.
To access it you can do those steps :
1) control+alt+tab until you hear top panel (or something like that, I'm 
in French locale)

2) Do shift+tab until you hear network : it's between battery and sound
3) Press enter on it and after use the list with down arrow

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Re: Bug#860898: /usr/bin/spd-conf: won't run

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 29/04/2017 à 16:26, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Well, AIUI this has been broken for a long time without being reported.
And thus AIUI people just configure speech-dispatcher with the config
files and don't use spd-conf. Again, this is just my understanding, I'm
not a user of speech-dispatcher, so users should say so if it's really a
problem.


Personally, I wasn't aware of this tool before this bug report. I don't 
know people anyone who uses this software.
The regular blind person uses Orca to change speech-dispatcher 
configuration.
IMO, it's not a critical issue but we should forward it to the upstream 
developer if it's not already the case.


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Re: Bug#859262: Re: freezes Orca screen reader

[Alex ARNAUD]

I am CC'ing the accessibility list hoping that they might have an
insight to what is happening.  I have quoted the original mail in full
below for their sake.


I'm not yet a Stretch user but the Orca developer has submitted a patch 
to fix this bug : take a look at 
<https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2017-April/msg00184.html>.


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Bug#859957: Fwd: Bug#859957: natbraille: ftbfs without networking

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 10/04/2017 à 12:30, Bruno Mascret a écrit :

The Natbraille's version in the repositories is an old one, and should
be updated but nobody is working on it.


Is the new natbraille works on GNU/Linux also ?


We 'll try to do our best to publish an updated version of the
softwares, if someone could help we 'll appreciate!


It will be great indeed.


Samuel released the 2.0rc3-4 verison, but there is maybe a problem for
the next ones?


Samuel : Could you tell us why you have an older release of Natbraille 
into Debian ? Do you need help to upgrade NatBraille to the new one ?


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Re: can i take the new espeak-ng and speech-dispatchee from debian accessibility and install to vinux?

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 10/04/2017 à 06:34, Amir-Trend Plus a écrit :

Hi,
i want to install debian but i am a new user, so i dont know how to
get it installed. last time i tried, it was stucked at the network
issue, since my pc is using wifi and not land connection.


Oh, It's a matter of firmware. You could ask the debian-user list or ask 
me in private I could help you to solve this issue. If you know how to 
work around this it is really tricky. If you have a good connection you 
can download the Net Installer with firmware here : 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/



the question is, can i use the package espeak-ng and
speech-dispatcher uploaded to debian and install them to vinux 5.1
witch is based on ubuntu 14.04.5? the speech-dispatcher on debian is
0.86 and vinux is 0.85, and the espeak-ng on vinux cannot work with
this speech-dispatcher.


You should ask this question on the vinux-support user group to have a 
more precise answer.
Speech-dispatcher needs to be recompiled on Vinux to work on it, you 
should have to download dependencies if those are not included in Vinux 
so I think it could be hard to do if you don't have some packaging skills.


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Re: new user starting up, where can i download the accessible installer for debian and the quick start guide?

[Alex ARNAUD]

You could find information about the installer accessibility on the 
Debian installer guide : 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.html


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Re: Bug#852149: Re : Re: Firefox-ESR Crash in Stretch when exiting Browser with Orca running

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 14/03/2017 à 22:52, Samuel Thibault a écrit :

Hello,

Testers: Ping?


I would like to test but I'm using Debian 8.7 Jessie. I should build a 
version for Jessie to be able to test.


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Re: Bug#852149: Re : Re: Firefox-ESR Crash in Stretch when exiting Browser with Orca running

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 01/03/2017 à 23:54, Mike Hommey a écrit :

Thanks. This points to
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1273020

which points to
https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8bfdf5dfcf6bcf706fea4cda201f72ffc0c69c4a


Thanks a lot for pointing me these links, I've commented the upstream bug.


Can someone try to apply this patch and see how it goes for them?


Do you plan to integrate the patch into the Debian package? If yes, 
could you tell me what is the procedure to test and build a Firefox ESR 
with the patch?


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Re: Bug#852149: Re : Re: Firefox-ESR Crash in Stretch when exiting Browser with Orca running

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 01/03/2017 à 23:04, Mike Hommey a écrit :

Has anyone submitted such a crash report and if so, can they give the
crash id? (look in about:crashes)


Dear Mike,

Yes, I've submitted crashes reports. You could find the last two reports 
here :
- 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/cf1f9951-c735-4b4a-a85c-3c7892170228
- 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/60bda391-530d-445c-8df3-bcc4c2170220



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Re: Firefox-ESR Crash in Stretch when exiting Browser with Orca running

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 01/03/2017 à 10:23, Thibaut Paumard a écrit :

Dear am_dxer, can you report this as a bug against firefox-esr with
X-Debbugs-CC to this list?

Can you try also with firefox non-ESR?


I can also reproduce the crash with Debian 8.7 with Orca enabled.

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Re: orca on debian stretch testing

[Alex ARNAUD]

Dear Jude,

Could you explain step-by-step your problem ? I don't really understand it.

For a debug log of Orca : open a terminal and type "orca --debug". A 
file will be created on the folder. The filename pattern is "debug*.out".


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Le 11/12/2016 à 17:42, Jude DaShiell a écrit :

How do I do a debug out on orca?  When this is done is it saved to a
file called debug.out?  If it isn't too large I may be able to fit it on
the flash drive and get it sent here.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 20:51:22
From: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjean...@free.fr>,
debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: orca on debian stretch testing
Resent-Date: Fri,  9 Dec 2016 01:51:39 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org

I have tested mate gnome and system-X11.  I even did a debian install
without desktop environment since I figured the desktop environment
could be contriuting to this problem.
On gnome, I did control-alt-tab to get to the top bar and tabbed over
to system and selected network and internet inside system and was told
I have no wifi connection so tabbed to select wifi network and opened
that up.  Then the bunch of panels came up each with an available
network on it.  I chose my panel and hit enter on the desired network
and then everything went silent. Since debian post-install doesn't
preserve configured wifi network it used to install the system I can't
get to the internet with it.  The last thing I may try next week is
writing myself an /etc/network/interfaces file and use ifup and ifdown
and see if I get the internet up.  I know about iwgetid so can use the
utility to get parameters for the interfaces file.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:


Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 01:58:46
From: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjean...@free.fr>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>,
debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: orca on debian stretch testing

Hi,

Can you remind me the panel problem? What desktop do xou use and what
Orca release do you use. On testing here, I don't experience your
problem. Do you use a braille display?

Best regards,


Le 08/12/2016 ? 02:11, Jude DaShiell a ?crit :

In addition to the problem I have with panels accessibility, the
orca on
stretch testing only responds to the keyboard shortcuts to turn it on
and to turn it off.  Flat review and all other orca keystrokes do not
work. This second problem could be contributing to the first problem
since without those keystrokes available to do things with orca even if
orca could read panels with some different settings used there's no way
to get to them on this machine.  This relegates debian to the same
status as windows here; if I can't install it and fix it myself without
sighted assistance it won't be on my equipment.



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Re: eutp

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 20/08/2016 à 18:21, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :

MENGUAL Jean-Philippe (2016/08/20 13:15 +0200):

Hi,

I'm wondering 9hy eutp tool is not installed with brltty in Debian.
Would requiera a separate package? It's very convinient to backup the
Eurobraille displays. Thanks Shérab for the code!

Hi all,

I'm not sure about the integration of eutp but the man page is available 
on my Debian stable machine. Man page is installed but no binary 
available as I can see.

My pleasure! It could probably be packaged with brltty.

But then I assume one will have to write a man page for it, which it
probably does not have yet.

Yes there is one, I found an eutp.1 file in source
You can consult it on the Ubuntu online man : 
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/eutp.1.html


Best regards.

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Bug#825502: gnome-orca: New upstream release available : Orca 3.20.2

[Alex ARNAUD]

Package: gnome-orca
Version: 3.20.1-0ubuntu1~xenial1
Severity: wishlist

Dear Maintainer,

   * What led up to the situation?
There was no update since April the 3rd, 2016 whereas two releases have 
been published since then.


   * What outcome did you expect?
I expected an upgrade of the gnome-orca to 3.20.2 version.
Could I help you to upgrade Orca ? Should I propose a patch?

Best regards.

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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"

Re: debian-installer issues with no wireless network connection after a text based Jessie installation

[Alex ARNAUD]

Dear Nick

On 05/20/2016 06:52 AM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
Hi, I am using the net installer of Jessie version 8.0.0 that includes 
the firmware 

Could you give us the full name of the Jessie ISO?
as I am totally blind and found that the latest installer once it was 
installed I had no software speech after installing the system.
It depends on how you install your system. If you install you system in 
braille or in "normal" way it's the normal effect.
I was installing Debian Jessie on my laptop with just a text based 
system mainly for a rescue system for when X windows is down and for 
times when I don't wish to use X windows.  I found that during the 
installation I was able to connect to the internet and successfully 
install the system but once the system was rebooted I had no internet 
access over any network method. 

As I know, It seems there is no link with accessibility in this case.
What would it take for the debian installation to copy the network 
settings from the installer to the target system as it makes no sence 
why networking would be setup and working during a text based 
installation but not in the target system?  What file should I edit to 
add my wireless network as well as my wired network using DHCP so they 
both will work when my text based system boots?  Nick Gawronski

The tips I use is to install a new driver for your Debian system.
For doing something like that you need to follow some steps :
1) Find the model of your card and the related firmware package in 
Debian, if it's a Intel Wireless card it's the package firmware-iwlwifi 
<https://packages.debian.org/fr/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi>
2) Add the backports repo in your environment as explained in this page 
: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
3) Install the new package with a command like that : "apt-get install 
-t jessie-backports FIRMWARE_NAME"


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Re: dark theme boot menu?

[Alex ARNAUD]

On 01/19/2016 11:24 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:

Hello,

Hello Sam !

During discussions, it was raised that selecting the dark theme is not
really convenient: on the syslinux images one has to press tab and
append theme=dark, and on the grub images, one has to edit the grub
entry...
Enter theme=dark is also hard for newbie because the user must knows 
qwerty keyboard layout.

This of course raises the question: where will this end, will we end up
with dozens of boot entries, making the boot menu unusable? :)
I think It is not difficult for a user to press enter and after that 
press keyboard shortcut.

This BTW raises the question of documenting shortcuts. For now, the
newt frontend prints " moves;  selects;  activates
buttons" there is not much more room, and the gtk frontend doesn't print
any, I guess it assumes that the gtk shortcuts are well-known.  We could
perhaps add an F1 shortcut, which would print all the shortcuts?  Of
course, there is always the "bootstrapping issue" of somebody not being
able to read the shortcut panel because it's too small or not proper
colors, etc. but there is no miracle solution here anyway.
We can provide a unique shortcut, maybe F11 (for a11y) that display in 
full screen a new panel in dark theme and big font that provide check 
boxes for accessibility feature. The navigation could be arrows key 
up/down  and space to activate it. The way for saving could be tab to 
button at the bottom or F11. For quit without saving we can use Escape key.
It is very important to make the shortcuts easy for people with mobility 
issues and for visual impaired big font and theme dark to make it able 
to read the options


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Re: Iceweasel history

[Alex ARNAUD]

On 07/12/2015 07:53, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:



Le 07/12/2015 07:38, Alex ARNAUD a écrit :
> On 07/12/2015 06:46, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
>> I use 38.2 (testing). How do you choose the item? With mouse?
>> keyboard? Do you use Orca?
> I use Iceweasel 42 and I can change the settings without any problem. I
> choose the last item in focus mode and tabulate to change check box 
value.


What checkboxes can xou change? Here I use testing.
Maybe all check boxes, I've tested with the first "active privacy mode" 
(something like that, I'm in French system).


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Re: Iceweasel history

[Alex ARNAUD]

On 07/12/2015 08:26, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
hmmm... I had read a tutorial which mentioned it was possible. But 
maybe it was an old feature... Weird...
You could find more informations here 
<https://support.mozilla.org/fr/questions/864527>, so I read that 
feature was removed in FIrefox 4 or 5.


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