Re: Exim4 in Debian?
-Original Message- From: Samuel Thibault To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Exim4 in Debian? Date: 04/26/24 13:51:02 Chime Hart, le ven. 26 avril 2024 10:23:33 -0700, a ecrit: > I am noticing here in Debian SID that packages I use > regularly are mysteriously vanishing. SID is what it is: unstable. At the moment there is a huge upgrade to 64bit time_t which makes various packages non-installable, and thus apt has a hard time finding another solution than just removing packages. If you don't want instability, please use the testing distribution. Thank you, Samuel! I didn't pursue the "why", but I knew I'd seen chatter about that "t64" that many package upgrades are referencing. Now I understand. For what it's worth, I'm on Trixie which had a couple hundred packages caught up in that over the last few days. I was bored this morning so I messed with ihe upgrade a couple packages at a time. Most packages finally upgraded, but there are still a few holdouts that refuse to install without purging my LXQt desktop environment first. Nope, don't want that to happen, grin. At one point, apt-get wanted to remove gdb (debugging) by itself. I knew I had manually installed that package so I let it be removed. I reinstalled gdb as the very next step, and a bunch of packages on developer hold suddenly also wanted upgraded without any further problems. That was a nice bonus that I've seen happen in the past. For what it's worth, I haven't rebooted yet. Not ashamed to say I'm a little afraid to just this second while things are still working well. Cindy :) DISCLAIMER: This is my first listserv reply using Evolution after Gmail dumped their old, simple web based format. My apologies in advance if there are any major formatting glitches in this response. This little side adventure sure has had its own learning curve. :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: What's Wrong with this Mirror?
On 10/24/22, Chime Hart wrote: > Well, thank you Jordan: I am actually either hoping some1 will fix that > mirror > or suggest a Debian Multimedia mirror which is current-and-working. Thanks > again. Just thinking out loud here: If it's something that you don't mind sharing publicly, what package or packages does that repository have that someone might know of an alternative somewhere else? It's been a long time since I've used anything outside of Debian and non-free web browsers, but I do still remember that once in a while rare, really cool packages are only available on third party repositories. Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: debian academy initiative
On 9/6/22, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Jude DaShiell, le mar. 06 sept. 2022 19:05:47 -0400, a ecrit: >> Is it appropriate or does debian-accessibility already have a debian >> academy online training course to educate on a11Y and how that connects >> to >> debian? > > There aren't such programs in Debian. There are a few people who have been chatting about it for a couple years. It went silent but started back up again maybe a month ago. Accessibility hasn't hit my radar in the discussions. That would be a great idea, Jude. For it to ever work, there would have to be a very definitive plan of action. Since they're using the word, Academy, interested parties will be expecting to see something pretty highly organized. This is where they're at: https://lists.debian.org/debian-academy/ No idea how I learned about it almost as soon as they started up. My guess would be via something like Debian-Publicity. :) Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Marked For Autoremoval: How can we help? :)
Happy Day! Testing and autoremovals got a quick brush-by today (2022.05.28) over at Debian-User. That just caused me to pull all those emails back out of trash from May 26. There were 71 that hit my own inbox. As soon as I saw espeakup, this felt like something critical. Upon second look today I noticed the list also includes fenrir, edbrowse, and orca, high traffic topics from this list. Thomas Schmitt mentioned this nvidia-graphics-drivers bug over at the Debian-User's thread [0]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1011268 Is that about the best place to point to when asking if anyone has special skills to help knock that out? Per Thomas, addressing that will affect about a zillion packages beyond those from Accessibility. Thank you for any feedback! My skills have yet to progress so my hope is reach out into the Internet's social media once I know how to ask for help without treading on anyone else's efforts. Cindy :) [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/05/msg00743.html -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Bug#1007106: reportbug: please make the meaning of the a11y tag clearer
On 3/14/22, john doe wrote: > On 3/14/2022 12:53 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Simon McVittie wrote: >>> Can anyone suggest a wording that makes the intention of the tag >>> clearer, >>> without "othering" the people who particularly need bugs with this tag >>> to >>> be fixed? I've cc'd debian-accessibility in the hope that someone on >>> that >>> list has a better idea. >> >> Thanks for the notice! >> >>> 1 a11y This bug is relevant to the accessibility of the package. >> >> Perhaps simply adding >> >> 1 a11y This bug is relevant to the accessibility of the package for >> disabled users. >> >> ? >> >> Or rephrasing to make it shorter: >> >> 1 a11y This bug affects disabled users. >> > > Or an alternative: > > 1 a11y This tag refers to peoples with disabilities > > Would be nice if native English speakers could help properly phrasing > this! :) ... affects people with disabilities. ... affects users with disabilities. It's called "person (or people) first language" where self-advocates ask to be recognized first before their disability. Dear friends in Atlanta, Georgia, and elsewhere were instrumental in helping it gain traction exactly when the following acknowledges as a date of reference: https://odr.dc.gov/page/people-first-language And I just learned something new k/t this thread. There is also "identity first language" that understandably evolved as a result: https://accessate.net/features/2519/person-first-vs-identity-first-language My takeaway is "users with disabilities" remains an accepted, respectful umbrella for all disabilities. If this was only about one specific disability, there may be an alternative that each disability has voiced is preferable to them. Of note: There are times when it's tough to fulfill "person first" fully due to the limitations of e.g. social media's occasional 280-character limitations per post. Cindy :) -- * runs with birdseed *
Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader
On 12/12/21, Jason White wrote: > > On 12/12/21 04:59, Pawel L. wrote: >> I am sure that it would be better for all of us to effectively support >> the development of ORCA, as is the case with NVDA in Windows, than to >> start new projects. > > Most of the issues with graphical user interface accessibility under > Linux are in the desktop environments and applications, not in the > screen reader. > > Orca is well maintained, but my impression is that some other, necessary > components aren't. If someone wants to devote resources to working on > graphical desktop accessibility, screen reader development isn't where I > would suggest starting. Hi.. If you're ever up for it, could you please start a dedicated thread that highlights current graphical user accessibility issues? That way advocates can point to it when asking others to help out. There might be checkpoints that developers still haven't heard of that can be incidentally addressed as packages continue to evolve. Labeling buttons is always the first thing that comes to mind for me because of the work that W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) does toward Internet usability. PS For the unofficial record, I'm in the camp that says concentrating forever limited volunteer developer manpower on fewer projects seems like a good way to go. In fact, the word "humane" comes to mind. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install
On 8/21/21, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > Hello, > > I've had a while to try to get debian 11.0.0 installed and I wanted to > give a status report. > > First the most important part, I found a work around. > > If you select "MATE" instead of "Default" in the upper right corner, > you can log in with your username. < snipped > > Everything works well until booting into the system, the system goes > into an infinite loop when putting the user password in. > > Here's the work around, select "Mate" instead of "Default" in the > upper right of the log in screen, and it will work. I've been in that login loop myself a few times. In my case, it seems like it's always something about permissions. It seems like I've been able to fix it by logging in as root then deleting my user's .Xauthority file (one of those "dot" files under our users' home directories). In my case, it gets corrupted or something. In your case, I don't know if that would help or not. That's odd that selecting the Mate option instead of Default fixes it for you, especially if Mate *is* your default. If removing/renaming .Xauthority did work, maybe Default is corrupting that file for some reason. Which leads me to say that I do rename that .Xauthority file instead of deleting it. My usual go-to favorite is to attach the date that it was having problems. As an aside of how I ever came to poke at .Xauthority: When I first had problems with it, I would sort the user's home directory by date with newest on top. That .Xauthority file would show up early on top. I also knew that the .Xauthority file was created on the fly the first time I would log in to a new debootstrap'ed copy of Debian because my new users only had three dot files and that was not one of them. That made it feel safe to push the old .Xauthority out of the way to let the system create another new file on the fly. And it did just happen to work a few times before I stopped breaking that part of my setups for some reason. Here's a second aside. The last time I had problems, I renamed it with an apparent associated error that's not ringing a bell now. I attached "ipv4stdinError" (ipv4 stdin error) to that file instead of the date. Leaving that here in case it makes sense as a login error causative to Samuel or others. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Raspberry pi os accessibility
On 7/26/20, Pavel Vlček wrote: > Hi, > > where can I discuss the Raspberry pi os accessibility? > > I have my own setup with the Mate Desktop, but maybe the lxde can also > be accessible, or not? And, the biggest problem is sound, I must to use > external usb sound interface and with flat volumes disabled. Hi, Pavel.. I just tried a "raspberry pi accessibility forum" search and found quite a few potential reads all coming from Raspberry Pi themselves. This one is from their blog in May (2 months ago): https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/latest-raspberry-pi-os-update-may-2020/ Am listening to the Youtube video as I type this, actually. THAT lead came from this recent Raspberry Pi forum thread titled "Accessibility features in Raspbian?": https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=275794 *I* learned something new thanks to you. In case I'm not the last person on Earth to know this, "Raspbian" is now being called Raspberry Pi OS but does still appear to be derived from Debian.. The blog post mentions updates to their own use of Orca. If useful tips are learned via the glitches and what-not there, that information can likely also be useful back over here at Debian. Hope that helps at least a little. I just registered over there at Raspberry Pi. This topic has been on my own shortlist of new things I'd like to test drive. Happy 30th Anniversary of the ADA (Americans with Disability Act) for those in the US AND beyond! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Some small linux device
On 7/7/20, Vojtěch šmiro wrote: > > is some way to buy some small linux device? In hot days I cannot use my > laptop or desktop, because fans are rotating and in my room is really > hot then. Please, what devices do you know and what can I buy? I know > raspberrypy or I've heard about Pinebook. I want some linux device, what > has passive cooling. Are you asking because of the noise? I was going to suggest that you could buy a "cooling pad" for your laptop, but most of those most likely make at least some barely audible noise. Well, I reread again. If the fan issue is "just" about the heat output and not the noise, maybe the cooling pad is possibly the best related accessory that might help. They're just not very cheap these days considering how "flimsy" most of them are. It MIGHT be a temporary fix while you search for whatever else might be fun to play with instead. Lifting a laptop off the desktop or other surface helps "a little". NOT recommending the following, but I have a large Oster dog comb shoved under the front of mine this very second. I've used knitting needles and a "Tunisian" (extra long) crochet hook in the same way. There are a few products out there like that now. There are items like wire basket type things you place the laptop on or little feet that go under the four corners. Something like the wire basket'ish thing might help by "pulling" the heat away, too, via the contact made. My experience is that a cooling pad with operating fans is about the most effective way to go, WHEN those fans work. Just thinking out loud because I have full empathy. Good luck! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: local repostory doesn't show up (synaptic or apt)
On 6/13/20, Andreas Benzler wrote: > On Sat, 2020-06-13 at 17:04 +0200, john doe wrote: >> >> How is this related to this list? >> >> > Normal user how wanne include local repo for test packages. Hi, Andy.. What John was meaning is this is the debian-accessibility list which really is specifically about figuring out accessibility issues that block users' usage of Debian. There's a different list where I've seen similar local (onsite) repository questions to yours. That's debian-user: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ Best wishes in finding an answer.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Console Font for Lower Vision People
On 1/7/20, Jude DaShiell wrote: > When I worked for the Navy, a recommendation was made to all employees to > use Lucida-bright font. I don't know that this one is even available but > it got recommended due to its easy visibility. Just chiming in with two fonts that are on my own radar. One is called "fonts-opendyslexic" with a description that says, "Font designed to increase readability for readers with dyslexia". I've never tried it. I just keep it in conscious memory for moments just like this.. :) The other is "ttf-anonymous-pro". This is one of the first packages I install on every debootstrap I do these days. The description is "fixed width sans serif font designed for coders". It was made for people who spend a lot of time trying to sift through code on [terminal] windows. I LOVE it.. Am mentioning both in case a test drive shows that they might help someone out here.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Text installer irritation
On 10/29/19, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > dhof...@att.net, le mar. 22 oct. 2019 10:29:54 -0700, a ecrit: >> At the prompt to enter your Wifi server password, if you enter an >> incorrect password and try to correct it with the backspace key, it always >> results in an error. > > I am not able to reproduce this issue. I tried both the textual > installer and the speech-enabled installer, in both cases even if I set > a bogus password, I can enter a new password. > > One thing that you might have missed is that when the installer realizes > that the password doesn't work, it does not prompt for the password, but > it first asks for typing the ESSID, then the password. Perhaps you are > trying to enter the password at the ESSID prompt? He said something about using "backspace". Is there any chance that it's also maybe either kicking things backward one screen or at least backward into a different text field? It comes to mind to ask that because I've had both instances very annoyingly occur myself. Sometimes a backspace action never leaves the current text field (yay!). BUT sometimes it causes a browser to revert to the last previous webpage visited on the same tab, and sometimes it moves the cursor to the last previously accessed text field. If we're talking about an installer that has the very barest minimum of anything in operation due to the very nature of its job, that might up the chance of those kinds of things happening, too. Not a whole lot of sweat-and-tear-stained programming is in place yet to better prevent those kinds of effects. Rereading what I just wrote is causing me to think I've even had backspace repeatedly jump ship over to a completely different tab *in web browsers*. Also speaking FIRSTHAND while considering what might cause any of those to happen: Sometimes a sticky CTRL or ALT key will mangle things up when a glitch is occurring for one user while no one else can reproduce the same issue. Speaking firsthand... *grin* PS An example of minimal programs in play that comes to mind that is about booting up instead of installing is that unbelievably fast key repeat rate that's out there. I think I mentioned it as a potential cognitive or mobility related accessibility point on here quite a while back, even. Man, that nails me ALL THE TIME when I'm having any kind of boot up issues. Switching over to a one finger hunt-and-peck typing style mitigates that one, LOL! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Fwd: installing speakup (etc) in a VirtualBox VM
On 10/26/19, Rich Morin wrote: > Thanks, Samuel, for forwarding this. If nothing else, it prompted me to > join this mailing list! > > I'd like to follow up with a request for help in documenting the kinds of > major dependencies that exist among the a11y-related packages (eg, brltty, > emacspeak, espeak-ng, espeak-ng-data, espeakup, fenrir, mbrola-*, orca, > speech-dispatcher). Hi, Rich.. This is coming from someone of a more simple mindset.. I have cognitive issues so I do things a little differently sometimes. What I'm trying to say is.. this is what *I do*, others may have more thorough methodologies. *grin* So I what I've done when having a question about dependencies is try something like: apt-cache depends < package-name > OR... apt-cache rdepends < package-name > That's for dependencies and reverse dependencies (other packages that depend on the one in question). In the past as a much newer user, I had ALSO Just tried installing a package to get some of that information. That's a #FAIL because that does NOT tell you about dependencies that are already installed. *oops* > I'd love to have this information collected in one place and suspect that > others might also find it useful. I'd be happy to write this up nicely, > if someone can give (or point me to) the raw data. An afterthought is you could also try a few creative searches similar to: apt-cache search package dependenc Yes, that's a typo on purpose. That will query package descriptions for e.g. "package dependency" AND "package dependencies" at the same time. You might get a hit for someone's Debian package submission that works similar but possibly more indepth to the two apt-cache dependency queries above. Sometimes other packages are "just" taking that same terminal command line query output and presenting it in a pretty format, e.g. maybe via a colorful "GUI" layout or something. Further afterthought, it occurs to me that some packages you're mentioning might not be in a main Debian repository. In that case, I have no idea for those right this second. Although I do know that, if those packages are in something like Debian's non-free instead of the most basic main repositories.. OR... If the vendor offers something that can be placed within the /etc/apt file hierarchy, your /etc/apt/sources.list or similar* will need to reflect that. "apt-get update" will have needed to be run, also, to ensure everything is current information. If you already knew some of that in advance, my apologies. Never hurts to have it on a list for newbies, newcomers. Have fun! * E.g. as a file at /etc/apt/soures.list.d/favorite-non-debian-package.list Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Playing midi files
On 8/3/19, Jude DaShiell wrote: > On Sat, 3 Aug 2019, Vojt?ch ?miro wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 09:53:20 >> From: Vojt?ch ?miro >> To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org >> Subject: Playing midi files >> Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 13:53:36 + (UTC) >> Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org >> >> Hello. >> >> Please, is some way to play midi files in Debian or another linux distro >> such >> as Fedora or Ubuntu? I've looked and tested some things, but midi don't >> play. > > Have you installed vlc with all dependencies yet? If so, try rvlc > file.mp3 or rvlc file.mp4 or rvlc file.ogg and the other thing necessary > is to install vlc-pulseaudio since that's already on the system optional > dependency for vlc when pulseaudio lives on the system. Hi, Vojta.. I also just ran "apt-cache search midi player" and saw two potential potentials jump out from the list: playmidi and pmidi. Sounds like pmidi is terminal only and possibly only plays midi files. Playmidi sounds a little more... elaborate.. fancy. Its description says: "Playmidi is a MIDI file player that will play back using FM, GUS, SoundBlaster or external MIDI. It also supports Creative Music Files (CMF), Microsoft RIFF (RMI) files and large MIDI archives from games such as Ultima " I'm not fully grasping if that means it will only work with additional add-ons or if it will work out-of-the-box PLUS has those additional User-friendly features available if needed or wanted. Just looked at that "apt-get search midi player" query feedback again. A couple more things might work including "pykaraoke" which describes itself as a "free CDG/MIDI/MPEG karaoke player." That sounds FUN. Am noticing that the word "sequencer" received a few references. I don't know if that implies "thus plays midi files" because I don't have anything to test drive that theory. Am mentioning it in case that helps Users perform very targeted searches for this topic. Hope that helps someone out here.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Things to cover in my bits from the DPL talk at Debconf
Hi.. I'm temporarily adding this to Debian-Accessibility and *waving* at Samuel and everyone as I do.. On 7/8/19, Sam Hartman wrote: > Folks, I'm looking for cool stuff to cover in my keynote at Debconf. > Obviously, I'll want to cover buster, and stuff I'm working on, and > challenging issues facing the project. > > But I'd also like to showcase our community and interesting things that > have happened over the last year. > > So, I'd especially be interested in elements to work in that have > interesting pictures, video or sound elements. > > So, things like > > * Pictures of release testing > > * pictures of release parties > > * Possibly interesting uses of Debian that have a good visual/brief > video story > > * Because I'm blind if I could find interesting content, I might focus > more than usual on sound. But if not that's cool too. > > Any thoughts are welcome. So, can anyone think of anything about Debian-Accessibility that would fit into what Sam seeks? MANY people have never, for example, heard a screenreader in action. I personally have Users with screenreaders in my thoughts on regular occasion, especially when all that useful information is zipping by at warp speed on my own screen during reboots. If anyone replies, it's possibly most appropriate to drop Debian-Accessibility back out of the loop and only reply directly to Debian-Publicity. ONE DISCLAIMER: I don't know if the Debian-Publicity list accepts posts from non-subscribers.. Just thinking out loud.. :) PS Afterthought: What about "Hurd"? That just hit my radar in some bit of chatter or another during the past week: Debian GNU/Hurd 2019 released!; 2019.07.07 https://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2019/07/msg1.html Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: [RFC] Changing the default cursor on the Linux console?
On 6/10/19, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello, > > I'm here looking for opinions from debian-accessibility from people with > low vision. > > Samuel Thibault, le lun. 10 juin 2019 22:02:05 +0200, a ecrit: >> > whenever i have to use the linux console, i have significant >> > neurological issues, due to the blinking cursor. >> >> Oh, I did not know that even just the blinking cursor could have an >> impact. >> >> > there is an ansi sequence that turns off blinking, but it >> > frequently gets reset again for unknown reasons. > > We can probably try to change the default value in the kernel (it's > really not only about Debian), if it makes consensus that it doesn't > hurt most people. I guess the kernel uses a small blinking cursor by > default solely because that was the default VGA hardware parameter. > > When looking around in xterms and such, I see that they are using by > default a blocked cursor. Xterms usually don't make it blink, I see only > Gnome-terminal making it blink by default. > > A non-blinking small cursor would pose visibility problem, but perhaps a > non-blinking big cursor would be fine? (perhaps even more visible than > the current blinking small cursor?) Hi, Samuel.. #ThankYou for all the work you do! I do know that blink rates are one touch point on something like the W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) list of considerations with respect to epilepsy. Outside of that, I really don't have much feedback, BUT... I remembered seeing a toggle for cursor blinking. I got lucky and FOUND IT! It's a preference for xfce4-terminal. It's under Edit > Preferences and then on the front, default "General" tab. I'm on a small screen where activities like that get chopped off with no work-around to pop them into view. I got lucky because that cursor blink option is the last thing visible on my screen here. Yay! But now I'm sitting here thinking I remember seeing a toggle somewhere about the actual rate of blinking, too. If it's on that xfce4-terminal screen, it's out range for my little laptop to view. It's possible that was also something on a text editor, instead and maybe This is one of those things where there's never going to be a 100% consensus, that's for sure. I choose to have the blinking cursor on because it's a visual trigger that's *cognitively friendly*. A blinking cursor's presence helps my mental focus'er find it amongst all the "gobblety-goop" that some pages look like on some days. While I do like it to blink, I'm also hinky about the rate of flashing... because too fast is distracting to a point of being almost "irritating". My ultimate take on this is that it's much more *fair* for me to have to track down and manually toggle that feature ON in a new setup than it is for someone with epilepsy to have to risk being detrimentally triggered if that feature was instead turned on and thus flashing by default. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: making an accessible boot disk
On 5/31/19, Frank Carmickle wrote: > Hi all, > > This is why, where ever I can I buy systems that support out of band > management, in most cases, ipmi. This way you can choose to change the boot > order , boot from the network or disk, without going into the bios or if you > must get into the bios you can have someone do it remotely for you.. Here’s > to hoping that coreboot might help us someday too. > > HTH some time in the future Hi, Frank.. It helped me. It sounds like it might be less intimidating for newer Users of all kinds, too. I remember the first couple times I played around in BIOS. I was scared to death I was going to permanently kill it by accidentally clicking something just wrong. This is the first time I can remember ever hearing of it, and I've been using computers for a VERY long time. I'll be checking it out so I can speak of it on its own terms if and when the chance to share that information ever comes up again. This is all about INDEPENDENCE.. and fuller "I CAN DO IT!" INCLUSION when it comes to knowing about options like that. Thank you for sharing it. :) For a split second a few minutes ago, I had the "brilliant" thought to wonder if maybe a rescue disk could somehow come into play And then I basically smacked my head because... the whole point is about trying to access a feature that you need to change first BEFORE you can... do something like boot first from a CD, DVD, or USB dealie before internal hard drives.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: making an accessible boot disk
On 5/31/19, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Bios never did talk and what sighted help my friend was able to get > failed to do bios modifications correctly. Windows users with low > levels of technical experience and this one had seen a bios for the > first time she tried to help us. My friend lives in rural Georgia which > is lacking local neighborhood linux user's groups. For that matter > upper bucks county in Pennsylvania is in no better shape. I hear what you're saying about BIOS not speaking and also about how there are still pockets of non-tech savvy folks in parts of the United States. I wondered about BIOS not speaking so I was actually hoping for the sighted help angle, if nothing else. I wonder if maybe there's a "newbie friendly" webpage that walks through each BIOS step for your friend's specific computer model. If your friend ever finds one and is able to actually change it, they might want to make a few copies to lay around in case they ever change their mind, grin. There are little quirks to sometimes hitting Enter to do yada-yada. Other times, it's maneuvering via arrow keys. It would be nice if there was an online how-to that presented a step-by-step that showed what was needed at each point for each "tab" or "page" that many or most BIOS have these days. It's... sad that the very long existing BIOS remains inaccessible to the point that a User has to resort to taking a computer apart to accomplish the same thing in the end... :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: making an accessible boot disk
On 5/31/19, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I just realized this problem is going to be more complex and I know a > way to solve it without necessity for an accessible flash drive. > My friend will need to open up his computer and move the hard drive > outside the computer case once unscrewed. Then he'll need to pull the > power cord out from the hard drive and start an accessible linux DVD up > on his computer and once that DVD is booting up put the power back into > his hard drive. Hi, Jude.. If you all haven't tried it already, there's.. frequently a BIOS setting that allows the User to change the boot order as needed. I said it that way in case this is one case it's not there, grin. The boot options offered via BIOS vary based on each computer's capabilities. As an example, I have an old HP that doesn't offer a USB based boot option. USB ports are available, but that laptop apparently is not able to boot from that option for whatever reason. The caveat to changing the BIOS boot order is remembering to remove an external boot material if one decides to switch to boot using an option further down the list BIOS offers. Been there, done that in the "whoops, forgot to remove AGAIN" category a number of times. *grin* Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Strange behaviour of gnupg in Debian Stretch
On 4/10/19, Ali Gürler wrote: > Hello, > > could you please test the following: > # gpg --full-generate-key > you have to enter a pass phrase later. After doing this, gpg should > say something like "we have to generate random bytes", but this > message does not appear in my case. Now I enter many arbitrary > characters, and at some point appears the previously mentioned > message. This you get with brltty but only by chance. Why does > the message only appear after entering many characters? Is this a bug > from gnupg or brltty? Hi, I'm "just a user" out here. I haven't done this in a long time, but I remember mine being very slow to produce output when generating my own. Is it possible the gap in time is because your computer's taking that long to digest the command and then spit out an output? Or is the possible issue that this command used to respond instantly for you and now there appears to be that gap in time before the command completes? That's as much as I can help with it. I'm just thinking that your answer might help more knowledgeable people help you. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: [d-i] language selection bad for non English speakers
On 2/27/19, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 2/26/19, Samuel Henrique wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm just passing along feedback that I received from a Brazilian user who >> could not install Debian using speech synthesis, he was using the latest >> stable ISO (but this should be happening for sometime now). >> >> The problem was that right at the start there is a screen to choose the >> language of the installation process and the system installed, with a >> list >> of 29 languages, and then the following: >> "Next choices are available with '+' ". >> >> He didn't understand the last part and thought there was no Portuguese >> support, as the languages are sorted alphabetically and the 29th one is >> Lithuanian. >> >> Now, my main goal here is to report this so we can have a datapoint. I'm >> not sure about the fixes though as I'm not experienced in accessibility, >> but I would be happy if there was a way to solve this. >> >> The first quickest and dirtiest solution that I see is to just list all >> of >> the languages at once, without paginating it, and thus requiring the user >> to only understand the English translation o the numbers. > > > Would... having something say "M - Z" or "M to Z" (or even both, > perhaps with one in parentheses) along with the '+' help any? > > Just thinking out loud... after pondering for a few seconds. This is a > toughy. You'd have to find something universally translatable for > those very seconds in Time... before Users get in the door to the > language they speak and understand. Additionally.. For it to make sense, it would help if the first page somehow referenced "A - L" or maybe "A - Li" at the top of the list. That would help hint that the rest of the alphabet can be expected to appear further on down... Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: [d-i] language selection bad for non English speakers
On 2/26/19, Samuel Henrique wrote: > Hello, > > I'm just passing along feedback that I received from a Brazilian user who > could not install Debian using speech synthesis, he was using the latest > stable ISO (but this should be happening for sometime now). > > The problem was that right at the start there is a screen to choose the > language of the installation process and the system installed, with a list > of 29 languages, and then the following: > "Next choices are available with '+' ". > > He didn't understand the last part and thought there was no Portuguese > support, as the languages are sorted alphabetically and the 29th one is > Lithuanian. > > Now, my main goal here is to report this so we can have a datapoint. I'm > not sure about the fixes though as I'm not experienced in accessibility, > but I would be happy if there was a way to solve this. > > The first quickest and dirtiest solution that I see is to just list all of > the languages at once, without paginating it, and thus requiring the user > to only understand the English translation o the numbers. Would... having something say "M - Z" or "M to Z" (or even both, perhaps with one in parentheses) along with the '+' help any? Just thinking out loud... after pondering for a few seconds. This is a toughy. You'd have to find something universally translatable for those very seconds in Time... before Users get in the door to the language they speak and understand. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: How to write in Chinese ?
On 11/28/18, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm helping a blind person that needs to write in Chinese, I assume it's > in the mandarin language. > > I'm looking for an accessible way to write mandarin, I've found that > ibus supports mandarin but it seems it's not accessible for Orca at all. > > How do you proceed to write such language? > > Thanks in advance. Hi, Alex.. I started to delete this because I didn't have an answer, then I remembered our Debian Lists. No promises they can help, but here are two Chinese Debian listservs with what appear to be on-topic tech posts for those lists (i.e. lists still appear active instead of just being sp-am bait): https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-chinese/ https://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-big5/ Hope those help somehow. Good luck with your project! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Introduction and using Orca with Debian sound systems
On 3/18/18, Keith Barrett <li...@barrettpianos.co.uk> wrote: > > On 18/03/18 07:15, john doe wrote: >> Hi James, I'm sending this e-mail through the list in the hope that this >> nasty bug will be fixed once and for all. >> >> On 3/17/2018 5:54 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> Hi John >>> >>>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 14:30, john doe <johndoe65...@mail.com> wrote: >>>> If you don't start orca is speakup speaking? >>> >>> Yes, Speakup speaks under the text console (CTRL+ALT+F1 etc). Orca >>> does not speak under the MATE desktop. >>> >>>> It looks like it's the pulse audio bug back again. >>> >>> Yes that is my conclusion also. I thought that this particular bug had >>> been squashed years ago >> Sadly, this bug is still relevent. >> >>>> >>>> Basically, if orca is speaking, speakup won't speak!!! :) >>> >>> The only way i have managed to achieve is by setting speechd.conf to >>> use ALSA, but I do not want to have to reset speechd.conf each time I >>> want to s between the two Screen Readers. Is there a better way? >> >> Not that I know of. > The only way I know is to remove pulseaudio completely, then speakup and > orca work as expected. > In my case I set the audio output to libao in > /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf and all works for me. I've seen users have to delete Pulseaudio due to various issues of incompatibility through the last few years. If anyone decides to try that option, please make sure that your favorite package manager, e.g. apt, apt-get, or aptitude, does not try to delete half, if not more, of your other software packages at the same time. Just make sure that your favorite package manager confirms that you're only deleting exactly what you expect to have deleted. No, I don't know that Pulseaudio will try to delete more than just itself, but I *have* seen packages try to take out almost the whole system. I consciously worry about users with disabilities possibly not catching that particular point more than almost any other thing within Debian because recovering would be difficult if too many packages ever did get accidentally deleted.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
ADA Center Accessible Technology: PDF Accessibility: Exploring Tools and Solutions
Hi! This feels appropriate to post here considering the recent focus on Atril. My... sorry, unhumble, GRIN.. opinion is that Users and Developers may both have input/feedback and/or could pick up some useful, universal leaning tidbit or another to help rock progress on along regarding PDF files and related Linux based packages. For ease of forwarding, the original email is attached in its entirety just below my email signature. #ThankYou all for all the great work you do! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with fave keywords like.. usability.. UX... a11y * -- Forwarded message -- From: "Diaz, Claudia" <cdi...@uic.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:39:44 + Subject: Register for the upcoming Accessible Technology Session which will focus on PDF Accessibility: A Deeper Dive - Exploring Tools and Solutions The Great Lakes ADA Center in collaboration with the ADA National Network is hosting the January session of the Accessible Technology Webinar Series on Thursday, January 18, 2018. Title: PDF Accessibility: A Deeper Dive - Exploring Tools and Solutions This session is Part II of the PDF exploration started in November 2017. The webinar will demonstration tools that were discussed in the previous webinar [0] and discuss further forms and tables. Design, Layout, Tab Order, and other issues and solutions using Adobe Acrobat and Commonlook PDF GlobalAccess will be discussed. Tools to be demonstrated include: *Adobe Acrobat (checker) *PAC-2 (checker) *CommonLook Validator (checker) Speaker: Paul Rayius, Training Manager, CommonLook Date: January 18, 2018 Time: 2:00 pm-3:30 pm ET (verify the time zone where you will be connecting from for start time) The session will be real-time captioned via the webinar platform. A toll free telephone # is available for audio or audio can be received via the webinar platform. Visuals will be projected via the webinar platform. A question and answer period will follow the presentation. To register for this free session go to www.ada-accessibletech.org <http://www.ada-accessibletech.org> If you have an account with our system login and proceed with registration. If you don't have an account you will be required to establish one to finalize registration. A reminder email will be sent out prior to the session and handout materials, link and telephone # will be available on the website under your account the day of the session. Questions should be directed to webin...@ada-audio.org <mailto:webin...@ada-audio.org> or by calling 877-232-1990 (V/TTY) or videophone # 312-767-0377 between the hours of 8am-5:00pm CT M-F. [0] This is *possibly* the previous webinar they're referencing PDF Accessibility: Regulations, Risks, and Strategies; 2017.11.16 https://www.accessibilityonline.org/ada-tech/archives/110632
Re: spd-conf worked in debian 8, but not debian 9/stretchX
On 8/1/17, Mark Peveto <southernprinc...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, Samuel Thibault wrote: > >> Mark Peveto, on mar. 01 août 2017 16:33:28 -0500, wrote: >> > When I try to use spe-conf to set speech dispatcher to work with libao >> > instead of pulseaudio, spe-conf doesn't seem to work in stretch. >> >> Yes, this is a bug which was reported, but reported too late for getting >> fixed in Stretch 9.0. We can perhaps get a fix into Stretch 9.1. >> >> > How do I go about correcting this short of reinstalling jessie? >> >> You could try to reinstall only the speech-dispatcher package from >> Jessie. > > Samuel, > Tell me how to do that, and I'll try. Hi, Mark.. If this was me, I use terminal command line to do my package management (installation and removals) so I would do something like this: apt-get install --reinstall speech-dispatcher That does in fact reinstall *ONLY* speech-dispatcher. If there are dependencies involved, that command does NOT touch them. If any dependencies exist, they have to be determined and manually reinstalled one by one (or as a group in a single command), also. If you've never done that using apt-get, there will possibly be some prep work, e.g. running the command "apt-get update" first, that needs done specific to your setup. If you use a different package manager such as aptitude or synaptic, I don't use those so I don't know their method for doing the same. As well known as aptitude and synaptic are, though, there must surely be related documentation on how to perform the above or similar via those alternatives to apt-get. Good luck! Cindy -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: GNOME 3.24 a11y updates
On 6/26/17, Paul Gevers <elb...@debian.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > On 06/25/17 16:07, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> With Samuel's permission, I updated the packaging for the a11y >> components of GNOME 3.24 last month. I am not a DD yet so I will need >> sponsorship for these updates. >> >> Now that Stretch is released, maybe now would be a good time to upload >> these to Debian? >> >> at-spi2-core >> at-spi2-atk >> atk1.0 (in pkg-gnome svn) > > I can upload those, if people feel comfortable with me not being able to > test well. What does it take to test that? I'm not in a place to do it this time at this second, but I decided to ask anyway. Maybe I can help in the future... or maybe knowing what's needed this time will help someone else consider stepping up for you today... Thanks in advance if you have any feedback :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Bug#859926: speechd-up: fails to install
On 4/18/17, Paul Gevers <elb...@debian.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't know what to make of it, but when I first start the speechd-up > daemon by hand, then the init script succeeds (because it finds the > daemon already running). But now it comes, I then can stop and start the > daemon successfully, but only when I am quick enough. This is > reproducible, sleep 4 works always, sleep 5 always fails (so far). > > paul@testavoira ~/ $ sudo /sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --nicelevel 0 > --quiet --oknodo --chdir "/" --exec "/usr/bin/speechd-up" --oknodo > --pidfile "/var/run/speechd-up.pid" -- -l1 > [Tue Apr 18 21:46:42 2017] speechd: Configuration has been read from > "/etc/speechd-up.conf" > > paul@testavoira ~ $ sudo service speechd-up start > > paul@testavoira ~ $ sudo service speechd-up stop ; sleep 4 ; sudo > service speechd-up start > > paul@testavoira ~ $ sudo service speechd-up stop ; sleep 5 ; sudo > service speechd-up start > Job for speechd-up.service failed because the control process exited > with error code. > See "systemctl status speechd-up.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. Some things have been snipped above while I hope I left enough of Paul's latest feedback to give it due Respect. :) Simultaneous in my inbox is a different bug about Synaptic possibly keeping Orca from operating while Synaptic is open. It's this Bug #859262. Synaptic "freezes Orca screen reader" https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=859262 Is something like that maybe a possibility? Seeing the word "Synaptic" also originally made me wonder if our *_CHOICE_* of package managers is affecting things somehow. In my case, I have neither Synaptic nor Orca open because I don't use those. I only use "apt-get" via terminal interface for my package management. One thing is that I still don't know how to actually test speechd-up's functionality. For now, all I know is that it appeared to have successfully, initially installed with no complaints (via "apt-get install speechd-up"). Another factor in my install attempt is that mine was a brand new install. There was no residual "clutter" of past installs that could potentially also be causing unknown complications. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Bug#859926: speechd-up: fails to install
On 4/17/17, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjean...@free.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > We're going to have a look, but here I cannot reproduce. On Stretch, I > install the package without problems. So I am surprised. I may have > systemd-sysv, indeed, but not much more. > Hi.. I follow accessibility lists and thought I recognized this as a topic of theirs so I'm "playing along" to finally learn a little more about it. I was able to install speechd-up successfully, BUT I have no idea if it's functional because I don't know how to use it. I'm on a super basic debootstrap'ed Stretch with Xfce4 as my primary desktop environment. I've got Fluxbox and something else small that I've forgotten because I haven't switched around between them in a while. All of this is being provided in case it somehow helps explain why it's working for some of us and not for others. About the only programs I have are: Libreoffice, GIMP, Inkscape, Openshot, newly installed Piviti, Xine, and PySolFC (card games). For sound, aumix is my hero because I went almost a year without sound until I discovered that package. Others installed include GNOME ALSA mixer, Qas mixer, mpv video player. Seriously, I was desperate and downloading things that even remotely sounded like they might help trigger sound back on. Again, am mentioning all those because maybe they did something that triggered at least a successful install. Whether it actually works as intended or not, I have no clue aka literally clueless. As for systemd, I haven't touched a thing there. My system is whatever comes with a debootstrap install. I'm on a now older ASUS 10" where "uname -a" gets: Linux northpole 4.9.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.2-2 (2017-01-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux That's all I can think to write right now. :) > Le 16/04/2017 à 22:17, Paul Gevers a écrit : >> Hi >> >> On 16-04-17 21:51, Paul Gevers wrote: >>> I haven't figured out the difference yet. >> >> Probably somebody who knows systemd should have a look. I have the >> feeling it is interfering with the script and not doing what I read. >> >> I have no clue where to find the input (the service file?) that systemd >> is actually using yet. This is all new to me. #ThankYou for the work you all do! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: looking at debian
On 2/18/17, Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2017, Sebastian Humenda wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 06:42:59 >> From: Sebastian Humenda <shume...@gmx.de> >> >> Mark Peveto schrieb am 18.02.2017, 4:45 -0600: >>> I'm thinking about working with debian on one of my machines, but I'm >>> totally >>> blind, and need a talking installer. I'm hoping someone could send me a >>> direct link to one, and instructions to get going. >> Have you tried searching for "accessible Debian installation" at your >> favourite >> search engine? There are instructions here: >> >>https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility >> >> In short: download one of the regular images, burn it to a CD or write it >> to an >> USB drive and when the installer launches and you hear a beep, press "s" >> and wait. >> > Probably better to get latest firmware image since that one supports more > exotic hardware. If an ethernet connection is to be used for the machine > then the firmware image likely will not be necessary. > I don't know, if a stretch install gets done on a machine with an ethernet > connection is it like a wifi connection also necessary to write up an > /etc/network/interfaces file before post-install internet gets available? My disclaimer is that I know each method of install can vary greatly. That said, I debootstrap my installs in, and /etc/network/interfaces is always populated (filled in) properly such that everything works without any further entries or adjustments from me. My setup is a (*PINK!*) network LAN cord through which this laptop accesses the Internet via a secondary (much older) laptop. The proper data which designates the secondary laptop is regularly filled in without intervention at the beginning of my installs. That's a phenomenal perk because I would potentially face a time consuming *cognitive* issue addressing that each time if it was not. Again, yes, I *am* describing a different, extremely minimal kind of Debian installation so it might be set up that way because so much is missing from the start with a debootstrap'ed install.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: audio levels lost on reboot
On 10/19/16, Keith Barrett <li...@barrettpianos.co.uk> wrote: > Is this a known issue? > > Debian jessie up to date as of 19/10/16. > > Setting levels with alsamixer or amixer and after rebooting, levels are > back at previous low level. It's a known issue to me on a personal level. Been going on so long that... I don't know. It consciously crossed my mind that it is an accessibility issue. All I can do is apologize for not raising it sooner myself because invasive issues here at the house keep throwing everything else on a back burner. *sigh* Mine is Sid Unstable along with: Linux 4.7.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.7.2-1 (2016-08-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux Since I'm on Sid, that played a part in tolerating the annoyance as long as I have, too Not even sure what I'm using for audio because it has been so long since I tried to "fix" those kinds of issues on this setup. Well, might have had a lifting of cognitive clouds for a second. Just thought to look under my Applications menu. I see Audio Mixer and PulseAudio Volume Control under "Multimedia". As a last step, I remembered there was a related helpful terminal command line I could run so I opened Audio Mixer then ran "ps -aux" (as regular user). It showed me I have xfce4-mixer running as that generically named "Audio Mixer" under the Applications menu. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: xfce terminal?
On 10/16/16, mattias <mjonsson1...@gmail.com> wrote: > hwwat name? > > in mate it are named mate-terminal Hi, Mattias.. I just tried "xfce4-terminal", and it worked. Hope that helped. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Debian potential user, a question or two
On 9/21/16, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all. I feel as though I've traveled the operating system globe. I > started out with Windows, then got a Mac when the Mac accessibility started > making waves among the blind, around the MountLion/Maverics days. Then I > got into Emacspeak, and since I used that so much, I thought Linux would be > a good fit for me. Over the years, I'd gotten a grip on Linux, through > virtual machines. So I installed Sonar Gnu-Linux, a dirivitive of arch, on > the Mac Mini I've had. Well, Voxin installed well on it, but Emacspeak was > slow with the eSpeak server, and didn't work with the Voxin server at all. > So, I've decided to give Debian a go, within a virtual machine on my new > Windows laptop, core i7, 8 gigs ram. Any ideas on how I should proceed? Is > there a simple CLI version that would possibly work, as Linux in the GUI > just doesn't work well enough for me to use effectively. > Thanks for any help. Hi, Devin.. I identify myself regularly as a Linux/Debian user who has increasing cognitive issues (disability). I've been using computers since 1994, but my mind, my cognitive grasp leans toward that of a newbie on regular occasion. That said, I use debootstrap within Debian to refresh, upgrade my installs regularly over time. That's all done via CLI. I LOVE IT. It makes me feel like I'm in total control, but it might not be the way to go for everyone because there ARE glitches that occur. The other disclaimer I have is that I've never tried it from any other operating system. I don't know if that's even possible. With a debootstrap, you start out with absolute bare, bare bones Debian when you go that route. You install and tweak almost everything beyond the extremely basic debootstrap core software packages that just get your foot in the installation front door. But and again... I LOVE IT. I love going that route. There are also "net installs" that can be done that start out small. I've never gone that route so I don't know for fact, but it's always felt like that's the next step up from debootstrap. It's my understanding that you work your way up to the specific system you need (regarding which packages you want). If someone here has gone the net installation route, could you please give feedback? It seems like it would also be CLI, but I don't know. Maybe I'll try that myself this week so I know for next time someone asks. My uninformed kneejerk is to think that's probably the more regular user friendly route to try when compared to debootstrap. :) Yeah, I know. Downloading and installing from ISO format comes to mind, too. I've never been successful there and have seen a lot of others have trouble with it, too. That's why it's also the last thing I suggest. *grin* Good luck! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Bug#800602: Lightdm: orca speaks characters while typing the password.
On 10/19/15, Ksamak <ksa...@hypra.fr> wrote: > > Actually, this bug seems to mostly appear when the following option is set: > [SeatDefaults] > greeter-hide-users=false > This is mainly used to have the "main" user directly written in the > first field, so as not to retype it every boot. > > So when you have this option activated, the focus is directly put on the > password field, and then the bug appears. > if the user circles through the fields once, with tab, then back on the > password field, the bug disappears. > > I've seen it appear as well when two users are set-up on the system, but > i'm not sure about the exactness of my reproduce steps, so i'll try > again if people find the bug Could Not Reproducable > > I can make available a VM with the bug appearing at boot, for tests > (3.6Gb) > lightdm version 1.10.3-3, jessie current. I THINK this is only my second bug I've tried to assist with so I didn't want to be the participant who keeps responding to herself. Just as soon as I offered up my previous observation re the possibility of toggling password masking on and off, I found the following pre-existing bug: Bug #736964; Dated January 28, 2014 Bug Title: [lightdm] Password is shown in cleart text while typing https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736964 The extremely short synopsis is that, exactly as Ksamak shared here in this current bug report, "greeter-hide-users=false" was determined to be at least one culprit. The ultimate outcome at the end of that bug report is it appears to have possibly been determined to be a Launchpad responsibility. Because lightdm is so small, I was able to download both the source and the .deb archive file just to nose around to see if I could help you all further. I don't know the ultimate default outcome during installation of either of those versus the other BUT. * within the .deb archive file (the i386 version), /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf references "greeter-hide-users=false". It's initially commented out, but I *presume* "false" is its default value if/when activated. Wondering out loud: Is it perhaps an option offered to users during the installation process? If it is, maybe it needs to be better described in some way at that moment so users fully understand the consequence of that particular user CHOICE. * the .xz compilable source file contains a file called 01_debian.conf which references "greeter-hide-users=true". That's the only place I found it in the .xz file after briefly extracting and then grepping for that variable. Its value is noticeably the absolute opposite of the same variable found in the .deb file. As you all have already determined, the value "true" definitely sounds the more secure screenreader related CHOICE. Am just sharing the above, particularly the previously reported bug, since the bug appears very similar so maybe there is something that was already addressed by Developers that could help short track Debian's fix. As has been discussed already, this is definitely a high security risk for Debian Users with visual impairments. I wish I understood Debian's inside coding more so I could be in there helping you all nail it down. Good luck! Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Bug#800602: Lightdm: orca speaks characters while typing the password.
On 10/18/15, Samuel Thibault <sthiba...@debian.org> wrote: > > Raphaël POITEVIN, le Thu 01 Oct 2015 17:12:20 +0200, a écrit : >> I type my password directly, with the default selected user. Orca speaks >> characters. > > I'm not getting that behavior. I tried installing both stable and > testing, in both cases I'm getting "asterisk" in the password field. In > the stable case, I tried to install 3.16.2-1, with the same result. Hi, is it possible that the password field in question has been triggered to visibly display the word instead of the asterisks? Forgive me for not having a reproducible example handy, but I've seen it couple times in the last few weeks. Because I can't remember an exact example, it's possible it was even for something online. Decided to offer it up anyway since I've seen it in action AND because it's interesting Samuel's hearing asterisks while Raphael's hearing the actual password.. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Presentation wanted about accessibility on Linux
On 3/23/09, Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro wrote: there'll be a BarCamp[1] in northern Germany (Bremen) on may, 23th. The BarCamp happens at the same time as the biggest german church meeting (Kirchentag). The main point of the BarCamp is to inform peoples from church related organisations about Free Software and the possibilities of online collaboration. It would be nice, if we could have a presentation about the state of accessibility on Linux Desktops in this BarCamp. Do you know anybody, who would like to do this? Have you considered additionally sending a shoutout over at W3C's WAI Interest Group..? If it was me and I was thinking of doing so, I'd label it as that I realized it might a little OT but thought there might be some interest in the topic since it could be ultimately related.. Just thinking out loud.. :grin: Peace and best wishes from North Georgia.. Cindy Sue - :: - Olmstead Decision * 10 Years * June 22, 2009 http://claimid.com/Butterfly Georgia Voices That Count, 2005 Talking Rock, GA, USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-accessibility-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
