Re: cleanup of debian installer news

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Thomas Lange  (2023-09-05):
> I'm part of Debian's web team and I like to remove old outdated
> content.
> 
> The reason is that we have too may web pages (more that 63.000 wml
> files) and our search engine is not able to present search results
> order by date.

That looks the search engine needs fixing then.

> Currently I'm search for very old contents and I stumbled upon
>   https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/
> which lists all news from the past back to 2003.
> 
> IMO News become irrelevant very fast, so keeping them on our web pages
> does not make sense.  What do you think about removing all past years
> and only listing the news that are relevant to the current stable and
> testing release.  So we would not list debian installer news by year,
> but just provide a list link to the news relevant for bookworm for e.g.
> 
> What is your oppinion about this cleanup?

I'm not convinced at all; it's frequent to go back and look when this or
that change was introduced, and actively removing useful information due
to technical limitations in a search engine doesn't seem convincing at
all.

> BTW, I'm on my way to DebConf. Will anyone from the installer team
> also come to Kochi?

I'm not.


Cheers,
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Re: Daily d-i images for i386 not being built?

[Cyril Brulebois]

Steve McIntyre  (2023-09-05):
> >BTW: mipsel CD (netinst) images are no longer being built apparently?
> >Can they be removed as well?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> >The netboot images for mipsel seem to stay, as it is for i386?
> 
> No, mipsel is going away totally. We'll be killing it completely from
> trixie, archive-wide.

Both points just addressed:

To salsa.debian.org:webmaster-team/webwml.git
   2583d3aa00b..e8f735936de  HEAD -> master

If you look at the mipsel directory you'll only see old daily builds,
and they'll get pruned eventually. I'll adjust tooling and/or dillon
when I get a chance.

Thanks.


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Re: Daily d-i images for i386 not being built?

[Steve McIntyre]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 09:53:38PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Cyril Brulebois  wrote (Wed, 30 Aug 2023 22:33:08 +0200):
>> Holger Wansing  (2023-08-30):
>> > So you mean a changing like attached...
>> 
>> I'm so sorry, I had assumed the other image section was built using a
>> loop on devel image list, that's why I thought we'd need an addition
>> there. Since that's using an hardcoded list of download links, no need
>> to change that, and the single change required is adjusting devel and
>> trixie images list?
>
>Done.
>https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/b943a80cdd64fe6421d841054d7fae8fc0768ede
>
>
>BTW: mipsel CD (netinst) images are no longer being built apparently?
>Can they be removed as well?

Yes.

>The netboot images for mipsel seem to stay, as it is for i386?

No, mipsel is going away totally. We'll be killing it completely from
trixie, archive-wide.

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Re: Daily d-i images for i386 not being built?

[Holger Wansing]

Hi,

Cyril Brulebois  wrote (Wed, 30 Aug 2023 22:33:08 +0200):
> Holger Wansing  (2023-08-30):
> > So you mean a changing like attached...
> 
> I'm so sorry, I had assumed the other image section was built using a
> loop on devel image list, that's why I thought we'd need an addition
> there. Since that's using an hardcoded list of download links, no need
> to change that, and the single change required is adjusting devel and
> trixie images list?

Done.
https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/b943a80cdd64fe6421d841054d7fae8fc0768ede


BTW: mipsel CD (netinst) images are no longer being built apparently?
Can they be removed as well?
The netboot images for mipsel seem to stay, as it is for i386?


Holger


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Re: Bug#1050868: bookworm-pu: package debootstrap/1.0.128+nmu2+deb12u1

[Luca Boccassi]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:33:27 +0100 Jonathan Wiltshire 
wrote:
> Control: tag -1 moreinfo
> 
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 10:30:09AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:27:12 +0100 Simon McVittie 
> > wrote:
> > > Part of the transition to merged-/usr, and more specifically,
> > allowing
> > > us to stop shipping files in trixie whose physical path on disk
does
> > > not match their path in the dpkg database due to directory
aliasing.
> > > 
> > > This change needs to be in bookworm (and bullseye, and maybe
buster)
> > > before that process can continue, because official buildds run
> > debootstrap
> > > from stable (or older).
> > > 
> > > I also took the opportunity to backport changes that make the
> > autopkgtests
> > > pass.
> > 
> > I think it would be nice to let this bake in proposed-updates for a
> > while before 12.2 is released, just to be extra-extra-safe. Any
chance
> > for a quick review so we can upload it?
> 
> It will need a d-i ack as a pre-requisite.

Thanks Jonathan - d-i team, would it be possible for a quick review of
this and #1025708 please? This was tested with d-i as such:

> Philip Hands built a d-i mini.iso with the proposed version, and it
seems to have installed GNOME successfully under openQA.

Thanks!

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Re: cleanup of debian installer news

[Holger Levsen]

Hi Thomas,

On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 01:02:27PM +0200, Thomas Lange wrote:
> I'm part of Debian's web team and I like to remove old outdated content.
[...]
> IMO News become irrelevant very fast, so keeping them on our web pages
> does not make sense.

I understand where you're coming from and I applaud your effords for the
very most part, however I also think we should not just remove our history
from our very website.

> What is your oppinion about this cleanup?
 
I think it makes sense to move the content *away*, so that we keep history
visible, reduce load from our main search engine and not mislead translators
to translate such old stuff by accident.

Many thanks for your work on this!


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cleanup of debian installer news

[Thomas Lange]

Hi installer team,

I'm part of Debian's web team and I like to remove old outdated content.

The reason is that we have too may web pages (more that 63.000 wml
files) and our search engine is not able to present search results
order by date.

Currently I'm search for very old contents and I stumbled upon
  https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/
which lists all news from the past back to 2003.

IMO News become irrelevant very fast, so keeping them on our web pages
does not make sense.  What do you think about removing all past years
and only listing the news that are relevant to the current stable and
testing release.  So we would not list debian installer news by year,
but just provide a list link to the news relevant for bookworm for e.g.

What is your oppinion about this cleanup?

BTW, I'm on my way to DebConf. Will anyone from the installer team
also come to Kochi?
--
best regards Thomas