Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-10-31 Thread Lorenz
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 18:44:16 + Mike Gabriel < mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de> wrote: > Hi Ian, > > On Do 20 Sep 2018 16:45:41 CEST, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > Mike Gabriel writes ("Re: Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: > > Installing sysvinit-co

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-20 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Ian, On Do 20 Sep 2018 16:45:41 CEST, Ian Jackson wrote: Mike Gabriel writes ("Re: Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment"): many thanks for all this background info. I might have a potential contract to get this solved i

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Mike Gabriel writes ("Re: Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment"): > many thanks for all this background info. I might have a potential > contract to get this solved in the loop, so, I may probably return to > it s

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-20 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Ian, On Mi 19 Sep 2018 16:59:30 CEST, Ian Jackson wrote: I think this is not happening because of the dependency on `systemd'. That is indeed not the pid 1 part. The root cause of this is dbus-user-session => libpam-systemd => systemd-shim | systemd-sysv but systemd-shim is RC-buggy.

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment"): > Long term, systemd-shim is undesirable. See also #905388, which is about `elogind', a fork of systemd-logind, which might be easier to maintain. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-19 Thread Ian Jackson
I think this is not happening because of the dependency on `systemd'. That is indeed not the pid 1 part. The root cause of this is dbus-user-session => libpam-systemd => systemd-shim | systemd-sysv but systemd-shim is RC-buggy. The bugs in systemd-shim that are keeping it out of testing are

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-19 Thread Mike Gabriel
On Mi 19 Sep 2018 16:15:24 CEST, Christoph Terasa wrote: Hi Mike, On 9/19/18 4:07 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi, On  Mi 19 Sep 2018 15:51:34 CEST, Jan Christoph Terasa wrote: Package: mate-desktop-environment Version: 1.20.0+5 Severity: important Dear Maintainer, I run an updated debian

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-19 Thread Christoph Terasa
Hi Mike, On 9/19/18 4:07 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi, On  Mi 19 Sep 2018 15:51:34 CEST, Jan Christoph Terasa wrote: Package: mate-desktop-environment Version: 1.20.0+5 Severity: important Dear Maintainer, I run an updated debian testing/buster system with the odd package from unstable (e.g.

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-19 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi, On Mi 19 Sep 2018 15:51:34 CEST, Jan Christoph Terasa wrote: Package: mate-desktop-environment Version: 1.20.0+5 Severity: important Dear Maintainer, I run an updated debian testing/buster system with the odd package from unstable (e.g. firefox). I use the MATE desktop environment, as

Bug#909192: mate-desktop-environment: Installing sysvinit-core removes mate-desktop-environment

2018-09-19 Thread Jan Christoph Terasa
Package: mate-desktop-environment Version: 1.20.0+5 Severity: important Dear Maintainer, I run an updated debian testing/buster system with the odd package from unstable (e.g. firefox). I use the MATE desktop environment, as well as systemd as init. When trying to install sysvinit-core via apt,