Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Sylvestre Ledru]

On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 19:32:43 +0200 Nicolas Dandrimont  wrote:
> Package: lists.debian.org
> Severity: wishlist
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to request the creation of a new list,
> debian-outre...@lists.debian.org.
>
> Name:
>  debian-outreach
>
> Short description:
>  Public discussion of the Outreach Team's activities

Seconded.

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Bug#798199: [Soc-coordination] Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Nicolas Dandrimont]

* Daniel Pocock  [2015-09-06 21:12:03 +0200]:

> Maybe - a debian-outreach-announce list?
> 
> Personally, I feel that with 20 students or more at a time there are a
> lot of reports and most mentors and other students on the list would
> not be reading through all of them every week.
> 
> People get more and more email these days and the more that we can do
> as a project to help people (both mentors and students) to get more
> focused communication, the less likely they are to become frustrated
> or even burnt out.
> 
> So there could be three lists:
> 
> debian-outreach-announce
>   - announce program start and finish details
> 
> debian-outreach
>   - discussions that potentially involve multiple students or mentors,
> students looking for a mentor, etc
> 
> debian-outreach-report
>   - students submit weekly reports (with CC to their mentors)

Hi,

Thanks to this discussion the mailing list creation has stalled.

The status-quo, an alioth mailing-list, is unbearable, and way more frustrating
than migrating to a single Debian mailing-list: the noise from spam is very,
very high, which is a burden to all.

Dear listmasters, please consider creating one single mailing-list,
debian-outreach@l.d.o, as asked in the original bug-report. This would be one
great step forward from the status-quo. It is easy enough to add more
mailing-lists afterwards if we feel that the noise is too high.

Unfortunately, this is becoming time-sensitive, as Outreachy and Google Summer
of Code are going to start in a few weeks, and we need to communicate proper
contact details.

Thanks for your consideration,
-- 
Nicolas Dandrimont


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Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 07:32:43PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote:
> Name:
>  debian-outreach
> 
> Short description:
>  Public discussion of the Outreach Team's activities

Seconded.

> Category:
>  I'm torn between Developers and Misc Debian, with a slight
>  preference for the latter.

I'd say Misc Debian.

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Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 19:32:43 +0200 Nicolas Dandrimont  wrote:
> Package: lists.debian.org
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to request the creation of a new list,
> debian-outre...@lists.debian.org.
> 
> Name:
>  debian-outreach
> 
> Short description:
>  Public discussion of the Outreach Team's activities

Seconded.

-- 
Antonio Terceiro 


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Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Nicolas Dandrimont]

Package: lists.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Hi all,

I would like to request the creation of a new list,
debian-outre...@lists.debian.org.

Name:
 debian-outreach

Short description:
 Public discussion of the Outreach Team's activities

Long description:
 Discussion of Debian's participation in internship-like programs,
 such as Outreachy, Google Summer of Code, ...

 Program administrators and members of the Outreach Team will send
 announcements regarding Debian's participation to this
 mailing-list. Debian interns will send periodic reports of their
 work to this mailing-list.

Rationale:
 The current mailing-list, soc-coordination on alioth, has become a
 burden as its name is GSoC-specific and, sadly, it is riddled with
 spam, which often makes gmail users get unsubscribed automatically
 after bounces.

 Now that the Outreach Team has been permanently delegated as such,
 and as we are between programs, now would be a good time to migrate
 to a proper, non-program-specific mailing-list on official Debian
 infrastructure.

Category:
 I'm torn between Developers and Misc Debian, with a slight
 preference for the latter.

Subscription policy:
 open

Post policy:
 open

Web archive:
 yes

I'd like to bootstrap the list with the subscribers and archives from
soc-coordination (although after a quick glance it doesn't seem possible
to get those archives without admin intervention), please let me know
how to provide them to you once the list is created!

Thanks in advance,

Nicolas for the Outreach Team.

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Bug#798199: [Soc-coordination] Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Daniel Pocock]

>  Program administrators and members of the Outreach Team will send
>  announcements regarding Debian's participation to this
>  mailing-list. Debian interns will send periodic reports of their
>  work to this mailing-list.
>

Have you thought about creating a separate list for the weekly reports?

Bug#798199: [Soc-coordination] Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Nicolas Dandrimont]

* Daniel Pocock  [2015-09-06 19:49:10 +0200]:

> 
> >  Program administrators and members of the Outreach Team will send
> >  announcements regarding Debian's participation to this
> >  mailing-list. Debian interns will send periodic reports of their
> >  work to this mailing-list.
> >
> 
> Have you thought about creating a separate list for the weekly reports?

Not directly. While writing this description, I thought of a separate list for
announcements (program deadlines, welcome emails and such) that would be easier
to follow for people who don't want to get all the traffic from the reports.

I think it's a good idea to migrate the current list "as-is" and to think about
splitting off in a potential second step, if there's consensus that the traffic
is too high.

Does that make sense?
-- 
Nicolas Dandrimont

BOFH excuse #72:
Satan did it


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Bug#798199: [Soc-coordination] Bug#798199: New list: debian-outre...@lists.debian.org

[Daniel Pocock]

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On 06/09/15 19:57, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote:
> * Daniel Pocock  [2015-09-06 19:49:10 +0200]:
> 
>> 
>>> Program administrators and members of the Outreach Team will
>>> send announcements regarding Debian's participation to this 
>>> mailing-list. Debian interns will send periodic reports of
>>> their work to this mailing-list.
>>> 
>> 
>> Have you thought about creating a separate list for the weekly
>> reports?
> 
> Not directly. While writing this description, I thought of a
> separate list for announcements (program deadlines, welcome emails
> and such) that would be easier to follow for people who don't want
> to get all the traffic from the reports.
> 
> I think it's a good idea to migrate the current list "as-is" and to
> think about splitting off in a potential second step, if there's
> consensus that the traffic is too high.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 

Maybe - a debian-outreach-announce list?

Personally, I feel that with 20 students or more at a time there are a
lot of reports and most mentors and other students on the list would
not be reading through all of them every week.

People get more and more email these days and the more that we can do
as a project to help people (both mentors and students) to get more
focused communication, the less likely they are to become frustrated
or even burnt out.

So there could be three lists:

debian-outreach-announce
  - announce program start and finish details

debian-outreach
  - discussions that potentially involve multiple students or mentors,
students looking for a mentor, etc

debian-outreach-report
  - students submit weekly reports (with CC to their mentors)

Regards,

Daniel
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