Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-21 Thread Ximin Luo
Russ Allbery: > Bill Allombert writes: > >> This is one of the reasons I do not attend DebConf anymore. We are an >> online organization. Consultation should happen online. Metting are nice >> but they should not be used to vet consensus and ignore absentees. > >> So I

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Allombert writes: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:14:53PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> If you have specific wording suggestions that you believe would bring >> this Policy requirement closer in line with what we're already doing in >> the project (and which has gotten us

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:19:47PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, Bill Allombert wrote: > > But as a technical document, it is lacking practical recommendation > > for maintainers how to make sure their package build reproducibly > > The practical recommendations for

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:14:53PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > If you have specific wording suggestions that you believe would bring this > Policy requirement closer in line with what we're already doing in the > project (and which has gotten us to 94% reproducible already), please make > them.

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017, Bill Allombert wrote: > But as a technical document, it is lacking practical recommendation > for maintainers how to make sure their package build reproducibly The practical recommendations for maintainers are encoded separately, as they're evolving. See

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Allombert writes: > This is one of the reasons I do not attend DebConf anymore. We are an > online organization. Consultation should happen online. Metting are nice > but they should not be used to vet consensus and ignore absentees. > So I object to Adrian being

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:30:23AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > As Policy Editor (a delegated position), based on my read of project > consensus including in-person verification of that consensus at DebConf > 17, I am formally declaring that I believe this change has consensus > despite your

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Just to be completely, 100% clear: I will not be responding further to this line of argument in this bug. If you disagree with my decision as a project delegate, I've spelled out your possible next steps under Debian's governance process. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:30:23AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >... > This text is a formalization and simplification of existing practice that > we worked out in conjuction with the reproducible builds team and that > strikes a balance between attempting to enumerate all the causes of >

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Adrian Bunk writes: > I hereby oppose the addition of this to policy. > It is not true that this would be "Debian's precisification" of > reproducible builds. > The definition does not match any past, present or future practice in > Debian. > Including the people who want this

Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

2017-08-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 03:34:35PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: >... > diff --git a/policy/ch-source.rst b/policy/ch-source.rst > index 127b125..6e32870 100644 > --- a/policy/ch-source.rst > +++ b/policy/ch-source.rst > @@ -661,6 +661,28 @@