Blars Blarson [EMAIL PROTECTED] (20/08/2005):
Package: xfce4-sensors-plugin
Version: 0.6.1-1
Severity: serious
Justification: fails to build from source
/bin/sh: libtoolize: command not found
Hi.
Should be easily fixed by adding 'libtoolize' in the Build-depends.
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Cyril Brulebois [EMAIL PROTECTED] (20/08/2005):
Should be easily fixed by adding 'libtoolize' in the Build-depends.
Hi back.
I tried this but this was not sufficient. I'd like to add that the
problem seems to be located in the CDBS call to:
/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools-files.mk
joined the diff between the official
dependencies and mine.
HTH
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problem on a
Mandriva distribution.
I'll try to have a look at it, I never used it till now.
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Cyril Brulebois [EMAIL PROTECTED] (17/09/2005):
I'll try to have a look at it, I never used it till now.
Seems to be known upstream as #1098 [1]. For information, the error
message is issued from 666th line of xfce4-panel-4.2.2/panel/controls.c
I guess that we'll have to check periodically
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] (16/11/2006):
The original submitter was using powerpc; you are using i386. That's
quite probably related...
Hi,
I confirm I can reproduce this bug on powerpc. I'll be happy to help
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the `or' statement, since it's
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. on QA pages, in the incoming
queue, etc.).
The source package is available at:
http://kibi.sysif.net/pub/packages/wormux/wormux_0.7.4-3.dsc
Feel free to commit the changes in the SVN. I didn't since I don't
have access to my key right now.
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(In the meanwhile, the workaround about disabling cache was working
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the (full)
location of the target file, which could help finding out the
problem. And indicate the error number/description could help too
(then no more use playing with strace ;-)).
I think that this bug should be tagged Upstream.
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Quoting Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello Debian Xfce Maintainers,
xfce4-systray is uninstallable in sid:
Hi,
I guess that it is related to #37: xfce4-systray shouldn't
be in the archive anymore.
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2. http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=pkg=graphviz
Therefore I guess that this BR should be re-opened. (Unfortunately I
have no access to any arm box to check what's going wrong at this
point.)
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PS: Build log snippet:
# move demo tree to examples
Hi again,
really sorry, I missed #376049. Please forget my previous mail...
BTW, we're investigating on that matter. Could be related to different
'mv' versions (package: coreutils), but we (Florent|I)'ll reply on
#376049.
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'konsole'). I'll investigate a bit, and bugreport once
I've a solution for that. (As you may imagine, I'm running a GTK2
environment (Xfce4), and some KDE components are either missing or not
launched properly.)
Thanks for your packaging of yakuake.
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James Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] (27/10/2008):
tag 503632 patch
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Thanks for the bug and the patch, will take appropriate measures.
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Package: blender
Version: 2.46+dfsg-5
Severity: serious
Justification: FTBFS
Just to keep track of it, blender at least FTBFSes on mipsel, apparently
because of newer python2.5 packages, see bug #499132.
Relevant build log excerpt:
| config/linux2-mips-config.py doesn't exist
| Using user-config
* dependencies are not co-installable, because libopenthreads11
conflicts against former libopenthreads* (including version 7 which is from
unstable). Given the contents of those packages, I see no reason why they
should conflict at all.
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Loic Dachary [EMAIL PROTECTED] (04/11/2008):
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not extremely motivated to fix this right
this moment with 2.8 three weeks away and unstable still frozen. Could
this wait a month ? If you have a fix I'll upload it. Just let me
know.
It's up to you. I for one can wait
Dirk Eddelbuettel [EMAIL PROTECTED] (02/11/2008):
So the fGarch package (ie r-cran-fgarch) you pulled is old too. Will
add a versioned Depends.
Looks like a candidate for a “pending” tag to spare people crawling the
RC bug list some time. ;)
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trying to dereference it, in src/engine_pkcs11.c's
+get_pin(). Thanks to Aron Griffis for both Debian and upstream bug
+reports (Closes: #503298).
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* New upstream
Hi folks,
nbsmtp has been buggy for quite some time, see #481818 opened on Sun, 18
May 2008 (though only raised to critical lately), which has seen no
maintainer reaction. It very much looks like something we don't want to
be releasing in its current state, and it sounds to me like it could be
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] (04/11/2008):
I doubt that this changes is correct, because /etc/init.d/nscd is an
conffile and isn't removed during remove but only during purge.
You need to check that both the conffile exists plus the binary.
Hmm, that's the init script's job, not the
Guido Günther [EMAIL PROTECTED] (04/11/2008):
Any plans to push this into lenny once the bug is fixed?
Well:
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ rmadison python-augeas
| python-augeas |0.2.0-1 | unstable | source, all
So… no?
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Helmut Grohne [EMAIL PROTECTED] (06/11/2008):
Did you notice that the bug was reported on i386 initially? So it is
even a bit cross-architecture.
Sure, but I wasn't going to emphasize something that I didn't experience
personally. ;)
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Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] (06/11/2008):
I beg to disagree because this bug seems to hit only some systems but
not all.
I didn't upgrade to grave, only to serious.
Of course I agree that this is bad if your system is hit, but with a
lot of system not being hit I do not consider this
Eric Pozharski [EMAIL PROTECTED] (08/11/2008):
Package: graphviz
Version: 2.20.2-3
Severity: serious
Justification: Debian Policy, section 4.2; severity suggested in [EMAIL
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I'm not very sure about that. I've asked RMs, and will act accordingly.
Thank you (both the submitter and
severity 505040 normal
thanks
Cyril Brulebois [EMAIL PROTECTED] (11/11/2008):
I'm not very sure about that. I've asked RMs, and will act
accordingly.
Lowering severity: Etch version builds within etch. Lenny version builds
within lenny. I'll probably add the v-B-D post-lenny anyway.
Mraw
Hi Alex.
Alex Romosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] (12/11/2008):
as intended, i guess, this patch breaks loading modules from the
current directory but i have scripts that need to load extra modules
from the current directory. how does one do it now? i've modified my
scripts to do
import sys
of
available GIDs.
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Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (12/08/2008):
Package: luxrender
Version: 0.5-1
Severity: serious
There was an error while trying to autobuild your package [snip].
Yeah, I know. Hitting a(n additional) bug on 64-bit archs, apparently
due to boost, which is
Florian Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] (12/08/2008):
This bug is still present in lenny.
Which is normal since the fixed version didn't migrate yet, due to a bug
in ilmbase (which has just been finally fixed) that prevented the build
on sparc, which in turn prevents the testing migration.
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 06:32:54PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
diverting losetup without implementing losetup -f looks quite a
serious bug to me.
The code is there in .orig, but find_unused_loop_device() isn't
connected to the '-f' option. Is that on purpose? I can't seem to be
able to find
: The rebuild was done on about 50 AMD64
nodes of the Grid'5000 platform, using a clean chroot containing a
sid i386 environment. Internet was not accessible from the build
systems.
Blablabla :)
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Hi,
(putting back Luk into the loop, mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't
sufficient)
Paul Cager [EMAIL PROTECTED] (04/02/2008):
I intend to fix this bug along with the upload for the new upstream
version (probably within a week).
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severity 448890 important
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This is a release goal.
Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (03/11/2007):
Of course, packaging all the missing CPAN modules before the release
in on our agenda.
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+++ clips-doc-6.24/debian/changelog
@@ -1,3 +1,15 @@
+clips-doc (6.24-1.1) unstable; urgency=low
+
+ * Non-maintainer upload.
+ * Merge both “Recommends
guess from:
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that your goal is to keep the package out of testing… Especially when
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RSN. Maybe you'd want to join pkg-games and maintain your game-related
package(s) there?
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--- childsplay-0.85.1/debian/control
+++ childsplay-0.85.1/debian/control
@@ -4,7 +4,8
.
Note that S-V is really ancient, and that there's still room for
improvement.
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--- a/debian/changelog
+++ b/debian/changelog
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+fortunes-es (1.27-0.1) unstable; urgency=low
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bugs on stable can identify it at first glance (but I guess people are
more actively working on fixing RC bugs for the next stable release).
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thanks
On 25/04/2008, Tomas Hoger wrote:
Hi!
Hi,
Upstream patch:
[…]
HTH
sure, many thanks!
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reopen 476976
found 476976 0.98.2-1
thanks
Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] (25/04/2008):
This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report
which was filed against the scons package:
#476976: scons: Doesn't work at all
It has been closed by Mark Brown [EMAIL
Package: scons
Version: 0.98.2-1
Severity: serious
Hi,
it started with my wondering whether I was hitting a regression in
scons, which you can trigger by trying to build blender in a clean sid
environment. AFAIUI by reading the diff, the Options-Variables
transition is being initiated, being at
On 25/04/2008, Mark Brown wrote:
Blender really ought to be updated, the interface is actually being
deprecated, and the patch to fix Blender is completely trival (see
below) and ought to be compatible with older versions of SCons, though
I've not tested that.
That's indeed OK with older
tag 477968 confirmed
thanks
On 26/04/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Feel free to downgrade this bug to 'important' if your package is only built
on i386, and this bug is specific to gcc 4.3 (i.e the package builds fine
with gcc 4.2).
No, confirmed.
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A patch exists in upstreams' bugtracking system: [...]
Hi,
thanks for the pointer, but a similar patch was added some time ago, and
doesn't solve the error we're getting at the moment. I'll investigate
later on.
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Only a missing cstdlib in that file, builds fine otherwise.
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of libgphoto2, for example.
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modules has been pending for some
days, but waiting for someone to upload it. MadCoder was supposed to
upload it with an appropriate timing after python-defaults' NMU.
Hope you're feeling better, btw, Pierre.
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tag 475984 confirmed
thanks
On 14/04/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Feel free to downgrade this bug to 'important' if your package is
only built on i386, and this bug is specific to gcc 4.3 (i.e the
package builds fine with gcc 4.2).
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On 18/04/2008, Goneri Le Bouder wrote:
/build/buildd/boson-0.13/debian/build-area/boson/boufo/libboufo.a(boufofontrenderer.o)(.text._ZN15BoUfoFontPlugin9listFontsERKN3ufo9UFontInfoE[BoUfoFontPlugin::listFonts(ufo::UFontInfo
const)]+0x9c): cannot reach
tag 482768 confirmed
thanks
On 24/05/2008, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
Heya,
HE-llo,
Your package failed to build on my buildd:
| build/linux2/lib/libbf_blenkernel.a(writeffmpeg.o): In function
`generate_video_frame':
|
forcemerge 482768 483335
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On 25/05/2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
It might be solved by moving 2.46 from experimental (shall be there
soon) to unstable, but that means ftgl moving to unstable as well; or
by fixing 2.45.
The latter isn’t as easy as I thought: 2.45 uses a couple of functions
in libavcodec now deprecated
block 483120 by 452750
thanks
On 27/05/2008, Sladan Ristic wrote:
Package: sunflow
Version: 0.07.2.dfsg-2
Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable
I'm tempted to downgrade it to important, since it's still possible to
use it with Sun Java6 JRE (6-06-1), but openjdk-6 is still
severity 481928 important
thanks
On 04/06/2008, Colin Tuckley wrote:
armel is now an official Debian arch which makes this ftbfs bug RC.
This is incorrect. There's no regression since it never built on that
architecture, so the appropriate severity is important, be the
architecture an official
tag 485953 pending
thanks
Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] (12/06/2008):
Package: blender
Version: 2.46+dfsg-1
Severity: serious
Thanks, I already know about that, pending ftgl transition, I'm in
contact with Sam, who should upload it to unstable very soon, with
latest API adjustments. A
supported.
2. the dependency is hardcoded, so rebuilding wouldn't solve that.
Please update your Depends: line.
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Hello all,
Hi Frederic,
I have been on the http://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu list for a
long
that, but hopefully, that won't happen anymore.
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On 16/03/2008, Nicolas Ygrand wrote:
Severity: grave
I forgot to mention that X crashes aren't grave, rather important;
downgrading severity accordingly.
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On 21/03/2008, Guus Sliepen wrote:
Hello Cyril,
Hi Guus,
Could you verify if blobwars crashes on powerpc?
I can't reproduce it, it works quite perfectly, and I've spent almost an
hour discovering it. ;-)
Let me know if you want specific tests.
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And some more months later, still RC-buggy, and only providing a php4
module. Requesting its removal with my QA hat.
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Package: snes9express
Version: 1.42-6
Severity: serious
Tags: patch
Justification: FTBFS
Hi,
your package FTBFSes with gcc/g++ 4.3, which is now the default compiler
on a bunch of arches. Please find attached a patch to fix this.
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--- a/frend.cc
+++ b/frend.cc
tag 334028 - patch
thanks
Andreas Barth wrote:
Installing gcc-3.3 fixes this one...
Ok, so we have some patch. Thanks for this.
Nope, that package is gone; and I haven't found any appropriate package
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Just FTR, this happens also on GNU/kFreeBSD (kfreebsd-i386 here),
although I didn't dig much.
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Cyril Brulebois [EMAIL PROTECTED] (17/12/2006):
cd /debian; rename s/sdljump/gnujump/ sdljump*
That's a little more subtle, but a fixed source package is available at
the following address:
http://kibi.sysif.net/pub/packages/gnujump/gnujump_1.0.0-2.dsc
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arbitrary commands on the system.''
1. http://xforce.iss.net/xforce/xfdb/30875
Since 2.2.1-1 has been in sid for 26 days, I was wondering whether
pushing this version into etch would an acceptable fix.
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Bas Wijnen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19/01/2007):
Now that gnujump has entered testing, sdljump should be removed from
the archive. The package has been renamed.
Hi,
wouldn't be a RoM (bug against ftpmaster) the way to go?
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(or there's also) an X bug.
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Stuart Prescott [EMAIL PROTECTED] (06/11/2007):
I know that you know that -- that comment wasn't for you but for the
original reporter and […]
Next time, trying putting the submitter in the loop, so that he has a
chance to even get your message.
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, and the maintainer.
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/info), and send the output to this
bugreport, that would probably help people figure out what's wrong.
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,
makes the package unsuitable for release.”
The soname of the library in this package is libvformat.so.0, so the
package name should be libvformat0, not libvformat1.
You said it, that's a “should”; the Policy requirement is about
bumping/renaming when needed. Downgrading.
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Ana Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] (22/10/2007):
Could you send a real patch or just prepare a NMU? ;-)
Done, NMU sponsored by Ana, uploaded to DELAYED/2. Debdiff attached.
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diff -u screem-0.16.1/debian/changelog screem-0.16.1/debian/changelog
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, it looks to me that it could
be orphaned at least, and removed at best (didn't check popcon, though).
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diff -u camelbones-0.2.3.cvs20040220/debian/changelog
camelbones-0.2.3.cvs20040220/debian/changelog
--- camelbones-0.2.3.cvs20040220/debian/changelog
+++ camelbones-0.2.3
] || …” trick since you're not using auto*).
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diff -u efibootmgr-0.5.3/debian/rules efibootmgr-0.5.3/debian/rules
--- efibootmgr-0.5.3/debian/rules
+++ efibootmgr-0.5.3/debian/rules
@@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
rm -f build-stamp
-updaterc.d-calls
/etc/init.d/athcool
(binary) W: athcool: script-in-etc-init.d-not-registered-via-update-rc.d
/etc/init.d/athcool
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--- athcool-0.3.11.orig/Makefile
+++ athcool-0.3.11/Makefile
@@ -20,7 +20,7 @@
DEFS= -I. -I$(includedir) -DPACKAGE=\$(PACKAGE)\ -DVERSION
Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] (07/11/2007):
Justification: FTBFS on i386
Build-Depends: debhelper ( 4.0.0), binutils, php4-dev (= 4:4.3.10-3 )
aka “affected by php4-removal”, see #418319.
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transition:
W: vfu: menu-item-uses-apps-section /usr/share/menu/vfu:2
W: vfu: menu-item-creates-new-section Apps/Tools /usr/share/menu/vfu:2
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--- vfu-4.06.orig/vslib/makefile
+++ vfu-4.06/vslib/makefile
@@ -41,7 +41,7 @@
LD_1 = g++
AR_1 = ar rv
RANLIB_1
: vfu: menu-item-uses-apps-section /usr/share/menu/vfu:2
W: vfu: menu-item-creates-new-section Apps/Tools /usr/share/menu/vfu:2
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Cyril Brulebois
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with the
package, therefore not proposing a patch, just confirming.
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Sebastien Delafond [EMAIL PROTECTED] (16/11/2007):
Justification: FTBFS
Care to elaborate?
Need to build-depend on libtool.
Builds fine without.
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to
reproduce the problem.
Putting the submitter back in the loop so that your message can be
eventually received by Jeff…
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Cyril Brulebois
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/*.bin somewhere out
of the way so that we can figure out whether that's a different problem
than corrupted caches?
Thank you in advance.
Cheers,
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Cyril Brulebois
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but not in first (libgnokii3-dev)
-
-rw-r--r-- root/root /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gnokii.pc
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Cyril Brulebois
--- gnokii-0.6.21.orig/Makefile
+++ gnokii-0.6.21/Makefile
@@ -140,6 +140,7 @@
@for dir in $(INSTALL_INCLUDES); do \
if [ -e $$dir
is still in incoming.debian.org,
and not on the mirror, so that's exactly the same.
Thanks. Didn't know this list.
'Welcome.
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Cyril Brulebois
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,
at least make sure you're right before doing so.
You reported that bug against:
Version: 0.0.25-1
which was building fine. That makes me assume I'm right. But of course,
providing a build log (excerpt) would have made it clear.
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source since swfdec0.5 also FTBFS'd, but
that's fixed with my NMU (0.5.2-1.1).
Thanks in advance.
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Cyril Brulebois
((The rest of this mail is an answer to #450821.))
Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] (16/11/2007):
Nope, it's on -amd64
Ah.
Both have been installable for a while
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