Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread John Winters
On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 01:35, Richard Atterer wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:58:09PM +0100, John Winters wrote: I sell (amongst lots of other things) CDs of Debian Woody and testing snapshots of Sarge. Currently it appears that the only way one can download the official .jigdo files for

installing debian 3

2003-07-25 Thread jimdene
Hello I had a fright looking at the consultant rates, and so if your advice is free, I would appreciate help with installing from a 3 cds' I have partly installed Debian 3, but have forgotten the password, and so I reformatted with a view to starting all over, but keep coming back to the

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Richard Atterer
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 07:49:48AM +0100, John Winters wrote: Further suggestion then - could an un-gzipped version be made available by rsync *only*. It should be possible to use jigdo-file's -0 switch to switch off compression. I /guess/ that would make the files rsyncable. The changes

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread John Winters
On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 12:11, Attila Nagy wrote: Richard Atterer wrote: The changes from week to week can only be small and it would make sense to rsync the differences and re-build the files rather than re-download what can be a very big file. (Some of the later ones from fsn.hu have been

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Attila Nagy wrote: Richard Atterer wrote: The changes from week to week can only be small and it would make sense to rsync the differences and re-build the files rather than re-download what can be a very big file. (Some of the later ones from fsn.hu have been 90M for

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 02:42:28AM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: I don't get it. The debian-installer stuff is neatly all listed in the tasks/debian-installer file -- and yet the above ones are missing. Are you sure they did not end up in the image? It is conceivable that for some reason,

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
John Winters wrote: Ah good. I'm glad they've come down again. I moved away from using the files from fsn.hu because a) they got so big and b) they couldn't be used to create .isos - they referenced files which weren't available on any mirror, not even fsn.hu. Perhaps something had gone wrong

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Mattias Wadenstein wrote: The jigdo directories went up to 10+ gigs and we had to stop mirroring for a while (the debian main archive is kind of more important to us). Is this problem fixed now? find . -name jigdo -exec du -hs {} \; 874M./sarge/jigdo 484M./sarge-dvd/jigdo 872M

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Josip Rodin wrote: Ohh. Hmm. And just as I rm'ed the generated .iso I had mounted to see if the image was all right (and under 650 MB -- it was 641). Oh well, I'll do it again. Just a quick question: in Hungary it is impossible to buy a 74 minutes writable CD (650 MB) even in CD-RW version. The

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Mattias Wadenstein wrote: Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look at it. It still doesn't change the fact that rsync is the well-known tool by mirror admins though. The only problem is that cvsup is written in Modula-3, so it's not quite in perl or C :) http://www.cvsup.org/ -- Attila Nagy

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 09:29:34PM +0200, Attila Nagy wrote: Ohh. Hmm. And just as I rm'ed the generated .iso I had mounted to see if the image was all right (and under 650 MB -- it was 641). Oh well, I'll do it again. BTW, that worked out. The files are there. Just a quick question: in

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Attila Nagy wrote: Mattias Wadenstein wrote: And mirrors would like to use rsync even if the rsync algorithm doesn't matter. It is a convenient and well-known tool for mirroring a directory structure, including all the metadata and stuff. If we wouldn't talk about

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Josip Rodin wrote: I bought some 650 MB CD-RWs a few months back, FWIW. I guess there's not much reason to scramble with those extra 50 MB, you can hardly save one in the set by making them all 700 MB. It seems that you are wrong :) -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001 674594816 Jul 20 13:17 sid-i386-1.iso

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Blars Blarson
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a quick question: in Hungary it is impossible to buy a 74 minutes writable CD (650 MB) even in CD-RW version. The default is now 700 MB/80 min. with strange capacities emerging (like the 1 GB CD-R, I don't know how well can one store

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Blars Blarson wrote: In the US (or at least southern california) 650 MB cd-r's are about half the price and more widly available than 700 MB ones. (About Interesting. I thought if we (in Hungary) can buy only 700 MB CD-Rs then the rest of the world now uses at least DVDs :) But selling only 700

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 10:13:35PM +0200, Attila Nagy wrote: I bought some 650 MB CD-RWs a few months back, FWIW. I guess there's not much reason to scramble with those extra 50 MB, you can hardly save one in the set by making them all 700 MB. It seems that you are wrong :) 10*50 MBs=500

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Attila Nagy wrote: Mattias Wadenstein wrote: Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look at it. It still doesn't change the fact that rsync is the well-known tool by mirror admins though. The only problem is that cvsup is written in Modula-3, so it's not quite in perl or C :)

Re: contents of the first sarge CD image

2003-07-25 Thread Peter Mann
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:30:07PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: Who/what decides what packages go onto it? How about Press any key if you want boot from CD for about 3 seconds ??? This is IMHO good function, if I forget CD media in machine with bios setting for boot from cd-rom first - if I

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread John Winters
On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 01:35, Richard Atterer wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:58:09PM +0100, John Winters wrote: I sell (amongst lots of other things) CDs of Debian Woody and testing snapshots of Sarge. Currently it appears that the only way one can download the official .jigdo files for

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Richard Atterer
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 07:49:48AM +0100, John Winters wrote: Further suggestion then - could an un-gzipped version be made available by rsync *only*. It should be possible to use jigdo-file's -0 switch to switch off compression. I /guess/ that would make the files rsyncable. The changes

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Richard Atterer wrote: The changes from week to week can only be small and it would make sense to rsync the differences and re-build the files rather than re-download what can be a very big file. (Some of the later ones from fsn.hu have been 90M for just one (gzipped) .template file.) I wonder

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread John Winters
On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 12:11, Attila Nagy wrote: Richard Atterer wrote: The changes from week to week can only be small and it would make sense to rsync the differences and re-build the files rather than re-download what can be a very big file. (Some of the later ones from fsn.hu have been

Re: installing debian 3

2003-07-25 Thread Richard Atterer
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 08:18:32PM +1000, jimdene wrote: I had a fright looking at the consultant rates, and so if your advice is free, Yep, it is. :-) However, direct further questions to debian-user@lists.debian.org - this list (debian-cd) is more concerned with the creation of CD images.

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Richard Atterer wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:58:09PM +0100, John Winters wrote: I sell (amongst lots of other things) CDs of Debian Woody and testing snapshots of Sarge. Currently it appears that the only way one can download the official .jigdo files for

Re: contents of the first sarge CD image

2003-07-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 06:24:04AM +0200, Peter Mann wrote: Who/what decides what packages go onto it? How about Press any key if you want boot from CD for about 3 seconds ??? This is IMHO good function, if I forget CD media in machine with bios setting for boot from cd-rom first - if I

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
John Winters wrote: Ah good. I'm glad they've come down again. I moved away from using the files from fsn.hu because a) they got so big and b) they couldn't be used to create .isos - they referenced files which weren't available on any mirror, not even fsn.hu. Perhaps something had gone wrong

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Mattias Wadenstein wrote: The jigdo directories went up to 10+ gigs and we had to stop mirroring for a while (the debian main archive is kind of more important to us). Is this problem fixed now? find . -name jigdo -exec du -hs {} \; 874M./sarge/jigdo 484M./sarge-dvd/jigdo 872M

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Mattias Wadenstein wrote: And mirrors would like to use rsync even if the rsync algorithm doesn't matter. It is a convenient and well-known tool for mirroring a directory structure, including all the metadata and stuff. If we wouldn't talk about Linux I would suggest forget rsync. It's very bad

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Josip Rodin wrote: Ohh. Hmm. And just as I rm'ed the generated .iso I had mounted to see if the image was all right (and under 650 MB -- it was 641). Oh well, I'll do it again. Just a quick question: in Hungary it is impossible to buy a 74 minutes writable CD (650 MB) even in CD-RW version. The

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Mattias Wadenstein wrote: Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look at it. It still doesn't change the fact that rsync is the well-known tool by mirror admins though. The only problem is that cvsup is written in Modula-3, so it's not quite in perl or C :) http://www.cvsup.org/ -- Attila Nagy

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 09:29:34PM +0200, Attila Nagy wrote: Ohh. Hmm. And just as I rm'ed the generated .iso I had mounted to see if the image was all right (and under 650 MB -- it was 641). Oh well, I'll do it again. BTW, that worked out. The files are there. Just a quick question: in

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Attila Nagy wrote: Mattias Wadenstein wrote: And mirrors would like to use rsync even if the rsync algorithm doesn't matter. It is a convenient and well-known tool for mirroring a directory structure, including all the metadata and stuff. If we wouldn't talk about

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Josip Rodin wrote: I bought some 650 MB CD-RWs a few months back, FWIW. I guess there's not much reason to scramble with those extra 50 MB, you can hardly save one in the set by making them all 700 MB. It seems that you are wrong :) -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001 674594816 Jul 20 13:17 sid-i386-1.iso

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Blars Blarson
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a quick question: in Hungary it is impossible to buy a 74 minutes writable CD (650 MB) even in CD-RW version. The default is now 700 MB/80 min. with strange capacities emerging (like the 1 GB CD-R, I don't know how well can one store

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Attila Nagy
Blars Blarson wrote: In the US (or at least southern california) 650 MB cd-r's are about half the price and more widly available than 700 MB ones. (About Interesting. I thought if we (in Hungary) can buy only 700 MB CD-Rs then the rest of the world now uses at least DVDs :) But selling only 700

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 10:13:35PM +0200, Attila Nagy wrote: I bought some 650 MB CD-RWs a few months back, FWIW. I guess there's not much reason to scramble with those extra 50 MB, you can hardly save one in the set by making them all 700 MB. It seems that you are wrong :) 10*50 MBs=500

Re: Accessibility of official jigdo files for Sarge

2003-07-25 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Attila Nagy wrote: Mattias Wadenstein wrote: Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look at it. It still doesn't change the fact that rsync is the well-known tool by mirror admins though. The only problem is that cvsup is written in Modula-3, so it's not quite in perl or C :)

Re: sarge first i386 CD musings

2003-07-25 Thread Rafael Poveda ..:: [ RaveN ] ::..
At 21:29 25/07/2003 +0200, Attila Nagy wrote: Josip Rodin wrote: Ohh. Hmm. And just as I rm'ed the generated .iso I had mounted to see if the image was all right (and under 650 MB -- it was 641). Oh well, I'll do it again. Just a quick question: in Hungary it is impossible to buy a 74 minutes