Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Colin Watson
I ran across this interesting post from an upstream GNOME developer which I think deserves some signal-boosting, as I haven't seen much of its contents mentioned or alluded to so far in this thread, and it's quite relevant to how much we should expect this to be a problem:

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org writes: I ran across this interesting post from an upstream GNOME developer which I think deserves some signal-boosting, as I haven't seen much of its contents mentioned or alluded to so far in this thread, and it's quite relevant to how much we should expect

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
I have reposted an improved version of this reply to debian-project and debian-vote, in response to the proposed GR, since I think the TC work has concluded and that's now the appropriate forum for the conversation. We can keep talking about it here if that seems like a good idea for some reason

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Bdale Garbee
Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org writes: I ran across this interesting post from an upstream GNOME developer which I think deserves some signal-boosting ... Indeed. Thanks for the pointer. Bdale pgprLKfQDUuJW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Russ Allbery dixit: But when providing project-wide guidance, we have an obligation to worry about the error conditions as well. If multiple logind implementations do *not* materialize, or if they do materialize but then people lose interest I question why logind is needed in the first place.

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes: Russ Allbery dixit: But when providing project-wide guidance, we have an obligation to worry about the error conditions as well. If multiple logind implementations do *not* materialize, or if they do materialize but then people lose interest I

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 06:04:07PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-27 Thread Bdale Garbee
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. With all 8 votes cast, this CFV on the init system coupling issue has ended in a tie between options L and N. Given my vote on this issue, it should be no

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Andreas Barth wrote: * Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140221 19:06]: The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time A Advice: sysvinit compatibility in

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:58:25AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Andreas Barth wrote: * Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140221 19:06]: The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140221 19:06]: The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time A Advice: sysvinit compatibility in jessie and multiple init support FD Further

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time A Advice: sysvinit compatibility in jessie and multiple init

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling): I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time A

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time A Advice:

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-21 Thread Bdale Garbee
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time A Advice: sysvinit compatibility in

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-02-21 Thread Keith Packard
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: I hereby call for votes on my coupling proposal and the amendments that have been put. The options on the ballot are: L Software may not depend on a specific init system N No TC resolution on this question at this time A