Hello,
On Fri 26 Apr 2024 at 03:08pm +02, Timo Röhling wrote:
> * Andreas Tille [2024-04-26 14:22]:
>>The Technical Committee now consists of:
>>
>> * Sean Whitton (chair)
>> * Simon McVittie
>> * Christoph Berg
>> * Helmut Grohne
>
members have voted,
or until my resignation takes effect.
I am happy to continue to volunteer for the role, if the committee agrees.
The ballot:
===BEGIN
A: Christoph Berg
B: Matthew Garrett
C: Helmut Grohne
D: Stefano Rivera
E: Timo Röhling
F: Craig Small
G: Matthew Vernon
H: Sean Whitton
Hello,
On Fri 26 Apr 2024 at 12:38pm +02, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi Sean,
>
> Am Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 10:53:41AM +0100 schrieb Sean Whitton:
>> > Possibly I need to send some delegation mail like this[1]?
>>
>> It's an appointment, not a delegation, but yes so
s.
>
> Please let me know whether I can do something for you. I'm fine
> joining your IRC channel for the next couple of hous but I'll be
> offline later today.
Thanks. Nothing comes to mind for now from me, and see you in Busan
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Ping again. Thanks.
On Thu 28 Mar 2024 at 01:33pm +08, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon 18 Mar 2024 at 10:43am +08, Sean Whitton wrote:
>
>> The vote has concluded. The result is that the Technical Committee
>> recommends that Craig Small be appointed by the
Hello,
On Mon 18 Mar 2024 at 10:43am +08, Sean Whitton wrote:
> The vote has concluded. The result is that the Technical Committee
> recommends that Craig Small be appointed by the Debian Project
> Leader to the Technical Committee.
>
> Jonathan, over to you.
Q
Hello,
On Thu 21 Mar 2024 at 06:27pm +08, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Dear committee members,
>
> Our next meeting will be on 2nd April at midday UTC, on IRC.
> After that, we'll do a poll for a consistent meeting time each month for
> the remainder of 2024.
>
> Here is our
- Any other business
Minutes of previous meeting not available as meetbot.debian.net is down.
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On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 10:06:42AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Package: tech-ctte
> X-debbugs-cc: csm...@debian.org, lea...@debian.org
>
> I call for votes on the following ballot to fill a vacant seat on the
> Debian Technical Committee. The voting period starts immediately and
The Technical Committee recommends that Craig Small be
appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee.
C: Recommend to Appoint Craig Small
F: Further Discussion
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Hello,
Our next meeting will be at 12pm UTC on Monday.
Here is our agenda:
- Recruitment -- on Jitsi
- Bug#1060700: Impact of problems caused by aliasing on declared Conflicts
- Any other business
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Dear committee members,
Our next meeting is scheduled for today at 6pm UTC.
Here is our agenda:
- Recruitment -- on Jitsi
- Review of previous meeting's AIs
- Any other business
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Hello,
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 06:50:44PM +, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Dear committee members,
>
> Our next meeting is scheduled for tomorrow at 6pm UTC.
I'll be coming back from Manchester by train today. So I'd like to start at
6:30pm. Given that all we really have is recruitm
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Hello,
On Fri 13 Oct 2023 at 09:59pm +01, Sean Whitton wrote:
> === BEGIN
>
> OPTION A:
>
> The Technical Committee formally repeals its moratorium recommending
> that maintainers of individual packages should not proactively move
> files from the root filesystem to correspo
is any doubt as to whether a change
you wish to make is appropriate, seek explicit approval from the
transition leaders.
OPTION N:
None of the above.
=== END DRAFT BALLOT
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Hello,
Revised agenda (thanks to Helmut & Matthew V.):
On Fri 06 Oct 2023 at 08:49pm +01, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Dear committee members,
>
> Our next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday at 6pm UTC.
>
> Here is our agenda:
>
> - Review of previous meeting's AIs
- Lifting t
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blems they encountered in trying to reach Ian's
preferred layout as an intermediate step need not be encountered when
trying to reach Ian's layout as a desired end state. So, I'm not sure
we can use opensuse's experience as so straightforward a case to learn
from.
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Hello,
On Fri 07 Jul 2023 at 12:55pm +02, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 07, 2023 at 11:11:08AM +0100, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> - Updates on merged-/usr
>> -- if, Helmut, you think this would be useful this month?
>
> Let me summarize what has happened. The rewrite of
presentation arrangements
- Any other business
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Hello,
On Mon 03 Jul 2023 at 05:55PM +01, Sean Whitton wrote:
> ===BEGIN
>
> A: Christoph Berg
> B: Matthew Garrett
> C: Helmut Grohne
> D: Simon McVittie
> E: Stefano Rivera
> F: Timo Röhling
> G: Matthew Vernon
> H: Sean Whitton
>
> ===END
I vot
members have voted,
or until my resignation takes effect.
I would like to continue in the role, if the committee agrees.
The ballot:
===BEGIN
A: Christoph Berg
B: Matthew Garrett
C: Helmut Grohne
D: Simon McVittie
E: Stefano Rivera
F: Timo Röhling
G: Matthew Vernon
H: Sean Whitton
===END
Hello Jonathan,
On Thu 22 Jun 2023 at 12:57PM +01, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed 21 Jun 2023 at 07:59PM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>
>> Hi Sean
>>
>> On 2023/06/21 14:25, Sean Whitton wrote:
>>> The votes have concluded. The TC resolves to recom
Hello committee members & nominees,
I've created
<https://debconf23.debconf.org/talks/10-meet-the-technical-committee/>.
Could you all login to the website using salsa SSO, such that it knows
about each of us, and thus the content team can add us all as
presenters, please?
Thanks.
Hello,
On Wed 21 Jun 2023 at 07:59PM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> Hi Sean
>
> On 2023/06/21 14:25, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> The votes have concluded. The TC resolves to recommend that the Debian
>> Project Leader appoint Stefano Rivera and Timo Röhling
>> to the
Hello,
On Wed 14 Jun 2023 at 10:04AM +01, Sean Whitton wrote:
> ===BEGIN
> The Technical Committee recommends that Timo Röhling be
> appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee.
>
> R: Recommend to appoint Timo Röhling
> F: Further discussion
> ===E
Hello,
On Wed 14 Jun 2023 at 10:03AM +01, Sean Whitton wrote:
> ===BEGIN
> The Technical Committee recommends that Stefano Rivera be
> appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee.
>
> R: Recommend to appoint Stefano Rivera
> F: Further discussion
>
The Technical Committee recommends that Timo Röhling be
appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee.
R: Recommend to appoint Timo Röhling
F: Further discussion
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The Technical Committee recommends that Stefano Rivera be
appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee.
R: Recommend to appoint Stefano Rivera
F: Further discussion
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archive is also implemented for dpkg
upstream. And it might be that the dpkg developers would be against the
TC override solely or mostly because of this fact. So possibly changing
that would resolve things peacefully.
I don't see how this conflates things, but would be grateful for more
explanation if y
Hello,
On Thu 18 May 2023 at 07:55PM +02, Ansgar wrote:
> Why not?
We will not move that fast.
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Hello,
On Thu 18 May 2023 at 07:21PM +02, Ansgar wrote:
> The full freeze is approaching and there has been no progress on this
> issue. Does the ctte think a decision before the release is still
> possible?
Not speaking for the whole ctte, but I don't think that is possible.
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d require a new, maintainer-overruling vote.
Our existing decisions do not apply, so far as I can tell.
I have written a separate message to the bug and to debian-dpkg with a
proposal to avoid having to have such a vote.
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celebrate, that dpkg has an upstream
existence independent of Debian.
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Hello,
On Tue 09 May 2023 at 01:26PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> === BEGIN
>
> OPTION A:
>
> Under Constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee recommends that the
> maintainers of individual packages should not proactively move files
> from the root filesystem to correspo
essential packages should refrain from proactively moving files from the
root filesystem to corresponding locations under /usr in the data.tar.*
of packages.
OPTION N:
None of the above.
=== END
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ason the RT advice was
> worded as it was.
It's designed to stop as-yet-unknown problems happening, too.
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reas of Debian that we're most
proud of -- completely smooth upgrades between stable releases.
So, I think we should assume the people who are more worried are right,
for the time being. We lose little in doing so.
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this topic this month.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
- Any other business
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Hello,
On Wed 05 Apr 2023 at 04:26PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Dear committee members,
>
> We are scheduled to have our meeting on Tuesday, but I will be
> out-of-town. While it would be possible for me to join IRC, joining the
> Jitsi video call to discuss recruitment would be
Hello,
On Wed 05 Apr 2023 at 04:26PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Dear committee members,
>
> We are scheduled to have our meeting on Tuesday, but I will be
> out-of-town. While it would be possible for me to join IRC, joining the
> Jitsi video call to discuss recruitment would be
Tuesdays at the same time? And also regarding your availability on
Tuesday, because it might be that it's difficult for not just me.
https://dud-poll.inf.tu-dresden.de/TQ6tqaZR8g/
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Hello,
On Mon 13 Mar 2023 at 02:35PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Dear committee members,
>
> Our monthly meeting is scheduled for Tuesday at 6pm UTC.
I'm sorry that I didn't appear today.
I arrived at the office to join the meeting and found that my laptop
charger had at some poin
Dear committee members,
Our monthly meeting is scheduled for Tuesday at 6pm UTC.
Here is our Agenda:
- Jitsi: recruitment
- Review of previous meeting AIs
Minutes of previous meeting:
http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2023/debian-ctte.2023-01-10-18.03.html
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members have voted,
or until my resignation takes effect.
I would like to continue in the role, if the committee agrees.
The ballot:
===BEGIN
A: Christoph Berg
B: Matthew Garrett
C: Helmut Grohne
D: Simon McVittie
E: Matthew Vernon
F: Sean Whitton
===END
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On Mon, Jan 09, 2023 at 05:34:07PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
> My apologies - I'm available tomorrow.
No problem. Is the meeting time generally okay with you, or do we need to do
a poll about that?
Given short notice let's stick to no Jitsi until February.
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Hello,
On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 11:55:38AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>
> Our monthly meeting is scheduled for Tuesday at 6pm UTC.
>
> The DPL has not yet officially responded to our nomination of Matthew.
> Our meeting are public though -- Matthew, can you plan to join us,
&
AIs
- Bug#1026104: longstanding problem with dependencies of python3-numpy in
testing
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decision applying to bookworm.
So I think we should leave this for the January meeting.
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goodbye and
thanks, and to welcome Matthew, should the DPL agree with our vote.
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Hello,
We are scheduled to meet next Tuesday, but I'm not available. We could
either have someone else chair, or push it forward one week -- there's
nothing urgent. Is anyone not available at 6pm UTC on the 20th?
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Hello,
On Fri 25 Nov 2022 at 03:39PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> ===BEGIN
> The Technical Committee recommends that Matthew Garrett be
> appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee.
>
> H: Recommend to Appoint Matthew Garrett
> F: Further Discussio
The Technical Committee recommends that Matthew Garrett be
appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee.
H: Recommend to Appoint Matthew Garrett
F: Further Discussion
===END
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Dear committee members,
Our monthly meeting is scheduled for Tuesday at 6pm UTC. Agenda:
- Jitsi: recruitment
- Review of previous meeting AIs
Minutes of previous meeting:
http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2022/debian-ctte.2022-10-11-17.58.html
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do a vote now, or we could leave it until January, unless there
is a controversial bug filed between now and then. In that case we
could easily do a chair vote before voting on the bug. The thought
would be that the casting vote could become relevant in that situation.
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updates are required
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on, but I don't believe
either of those are true.
> From a process standpoint, to what extent should this bug block the
> transition if the maintainer doesn't want it to.
Not at all, unless the RT or TC think otherwise.
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hey could drive that
> discussion debian-devel or some other forum.
>
> 2) Unless the TC or RT explicitly acts, the maintainer's severity
> (wishlist in this case) stands.
... but at least what you've said here seems correct to me.
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crashes at *any* time do not
> render a system unbootable.
>
> See also: https://bugs.debian.org/1020920
(1) Do you mean any package update? Certain packages? dist-upgrade?
(2) The TC is a decision-making body of last resort. The bug you
mention was filed today. Might this be premature?
ast in the first instance.
Thanks for this helpful perspective.
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to continue supporting non-merged systems up till that point, not
> by the dpkg bugs.
No, it remains in place beyond that, and a decision on lifting it has
not been made by anyone.
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y said (paraphrasing) "the
transition is not complete until the work on dpkg is complete." But
they decided that less was to be done for bookworm: the transition is to
be left incomplete in just this way.
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ly just made, which doesn't make sense.
Therefore, we will likely just close this bug, I'm afraid.
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e Sam. If the three weeks expired
> today, I would have referred it to the CTTE as well.
You'll have seen it, but for the benefit of others, at our meeting this
week we decided that we will review the patch and determine whether we
have a consensus about applying it during our next monthly meeting.
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tervening in this sort of way is not part of the TC's remit.
In any case, it seems that other, more relevant core teams have taken action.
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support DPKG_ROOT
- Any other business
I'm delaying TC recruitment to October's meeting.
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s case. An alternative would be to word the
resolution such that it counts as advice if we have a simple majority
and an override if we have a supermajority. I'd prefer the former, but
it would be good to hear from Helmut about it.
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.
* Any other business
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4275) and since the MR from
> five months ago has no maintainer activity, I wanted to ask you for informal
> advice on this. Should I just file a bug and NMU with maximum delay? Or is
> application of this fix deemed more important?
Informally, I suggest an NMU with a delay of five days, based on the
idea that the bug is of at least Severity: important.
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is the result of discussing what
other things we might do, at length, both within the committee and with
the release team. We are continually monitoring the situation, and will
consider whether there is more for us to do each time things change
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Hello,
Great, thank you.
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ject individual uploads, but accept
means accepting all of them because of how overrides work.
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Hello,
On Wed 13 Jul 2022 at 03:20PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Here: https://people.debian.org/~spwhitton/talks/2022/tech-ctte.pdf
Updated, please re-fetch.
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s
> for the best for now.
Many thanks for your work over the past two years. I find this
particularly sad because you and I were appointed at the same time. The
committee has benefitted from having you on it a great deal. Looking
forward to future opportunities to work together on free software.
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Here: https://people.debian.org/~spwhitton/talks/2022/tech-ctte.pdf
I've not committed the PDF to git in case we need to tweak anything
between now and the talk. Gunnar knows how to recompile, or I can.
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oast of the USA. That means the
> talk is scheduled too early.
West coast*
Thanks Gunnar for sending this and hope it's possible to reschedule.
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be there
in person.
* Any other business
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http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2022/debian-ctte.2022-06-14-18.01.html
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Hello,
On Mon 20 Jun 2022 at 05:31PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> BEGIN BALLOT
>
> Using its powers under constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee
> issues the following advice:
>
> 1. It is not a bug of any severity for a package with a non-native
> version number t
and 5
Option X -- issue only items 1, 2, 3 and 5
Option N -- none of the above.
END BALLOT
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I don't understand -- why would it be irrelevant?
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eed their git repos on salsa. Not all of
them, but very many.
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end the ballot as sent by Sean on
> June 7th.
>
> Thanks for bearing with me and bringing those arguments forward.
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ing the remaining packages when there's no reason to stay with
> 1.0, using the NMU procedure if needed.
I agree that this would be a good outcome, as expressed by your option 4c.
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utting back on features and workflows. But I
certainly agree that it would be better to have a better solution, like
Ian's sketch.
I think Ian has already suggested adding text to our resolution
recommending the development of such a source format. To be honest I
don't think it's really necessary as everyone agrees it would be better
to have it, but if you think it should be said explicitly then let's do
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s not inherent to all of the workflows we are discussing here,
just one of them. Indeed, this is one of the primary motivations for
one of the others.
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Hello,
On Tue 10 May 2022 at 05:29pm -07, Sean Whitton wrote:
> At today's ctte meeting we considered whether we can start a vote on
> this, but two committee members were missing, and someone else at the
> meeting reported that they hadn't yet been able to spend enough time
> thin
solution text for a bug that's probably
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jects.
Right, hence why we want 'dgit clone' to be as useful as possible.
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be a good ballot option to include, thank you.
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d in itself, it would be good to have more concrete reasons for
wanting uniformity in this case documented in this bug (not necessarily
in the resolution text) before we add it to the ballot.
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?
* DebConf22 presentation
* Any other business
People with AIs: Elana, Niko, Matthew, me
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est practice. I think that they are a practice that is worth exploring
> and experimenting on, but not yet widely adopted nor understood. But I
> would be happy to be proven wrong (especially of based on facts).
I would say that we don't have a consensus on either.
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,
including, but not limited to, git-first packaging workflows.
5. We decline to comment on the recent source package format MBF.
Option A -- issue items 1--5
Option B -- issue items 1, 2, 3 and 5, but not 4
Option N -- none of the above.
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People with AIs: gwolf, ehashman, spwhitton, Myon
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