Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-02 Thread NoTo CTTE
He has a right to call a GR.You are trying your hardest to make sure systemd is theonly choice for all linux systems, all major linux distros,and if we don't like it we can "go use MacOSX or BSD" or"roll your own distro".The fact is that SysV works NOW. The scripts work and are stable and are

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-02 Thread NoTo CTTE
He has a right to call a GR. You are trying your hardest to make sure systemd is the only choice for all linux systems, all major linux distros, and if we don't like it we can go use MacOSX or BSD or roll your own distro. The fact is that SysV works NOW. The scripts work and are stable and are

Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely

2014-03-02 Thread NoTo CTTE
Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likelySystemd is over 200,000 lines of ring0 running bullshit.Regular inits are under 10k lines of code inclusive.Some are 100 lines of code.Hmm which is easier to find exploits in.SystemD.Notice how the fknuts always try to change

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Colin Watson
I ran across this interesting post from an upstream GNOME developer which I think deserves some signal-boosting, as I haven't seen much of its contents mentioned or alluded to so far in this thread, and it's quite relevant to how much we should expect this to be a problem:

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org writes: I ran across this interesting post from an upstream GNOME developer which I think deserves some signal-boosting, as I haven't seen much of its contents mentioned or alluded to so far in this thread, and it's quite relevant to how much we should expect

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
I have reposted an improved version of this reply to debian-project and debian-vote, in response to the proposed GR, since I think the TC work has concluded and that's now the appropriate forum for the conversation. We can keep talking about it here if that seems like a good idea for some reason

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Bdale Garbee
Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org writes: I ran across this interesting post from an upstream GNOME developer which I think deserves some signal-boosting ... Indeed. Thanks for the pointer. Bdale pgprLKfQDUuJW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Russ Allbery dixit: But when providing project-wide guidance, we have an obligation to worry about the error conditions as well. If multiple logind implementations do *not* materialize, or if they do materialize but then people lose interest I question why logind is needed in the first place.

Bug#727708: Call for Votes on init system coupling

2014-03-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de writes: Russ Allbery dixit: But when providing project-wide guidance, we have an obligation to worry about the error conditions as well. If multiple logind implementations do *not* materialize, or if they do materialize but then people lose interest I

Spam fighting in -ctte mailing list....

2014-03-02 Thread Christian PERRIER
For the record, debian-ctte can have the same spam cleaning operation than any Debian list. Anyone can report any mail in Debian mailing lists as spam. For instance, the following: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/03/msg1.html has a Report as spam button on the upper right corner.