Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? There had been lots of responses to that. Yes, the most repeated argument has been mount /usr via NFS.

Re: Thoughts on keeping a 3.0 (quilt) package in RCS

2009-05-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes: Goswin von Brederlow dijo [Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:48:58AM +0200]: Hi, I recently converted a few quilt using local packages to the new 3.0 (quilt) format. Additionaly those packages are kept in an RCS (mercurial here). Now the problem is: How to version

Accepted ia32-libs-tools 13 (source all amd64)

2009-05-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de Description: ia32-apt-get - Apt-get and dpkg wrapper for on-the-fly ia32-libs conversion ia32-archive - Create a local archive of converted i386 debs for amd64 and ia64 ia32-libs-tools - Tools for converting

Thoughts on keeping a 3.0 (quilt) package in RCS

2009-04-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, I recently converted a few quilt using local packages to the new 3.0 (quilt) format. Additionaly those packages are kept in an RCS (mercurial here). Now the problem is: How to version control them? The new format allows one to just edit the source and build it. No creation of patches

Re: lilo about to be dropped?

2009-04-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: On Mon Apr 06 08:55, Frans Pop wrote: This is a heads up mail for the D-I team. I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be discussed on d-devel, especially since it impacts more than just D-I. I suspect there are

Re: New architectures

2009-04-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joerg Jaspert jo...@ganneff.de disait : we just added two new architectures to the Debian archive. Everybody please welcome kfreebsd-i386 AKA GNU/kFreeBSD i386 kfreebsd-amd64 AKA GNU/kFreeBSD amd64 Hi Joerg, What should be done with amd64-libs and ia32-libs now? Can we add those

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: Vincent Fourmond fourm...@debian.org (01/04/2009): Although I admit that schroot is a neat tool to deal with that, it is overkill in the case of wine, and much too complex for users that would be interested to use wine: one of the public that can be

Re: Extended descriptions size

2009-04-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Bramer gr...@deb-support.de writes: Goswin von Brederlow schrieb: Andreas Tille til...@rki.de writes: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Michael Bramer wrote: Goswin von Brederlow schrieb: I think the idea of using the Description-md5sum is that in most cases the md5sum remains identical

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes: Currently the size makes regular uploads too costly imho. And the security team is still not supporting ia32-libs. I even did prepare an security upload for etch last year that they only had to sponsor but never heard back from the team. With my

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes: * Goswin von Brederlow [Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:33:32 +0200]: Mark Hymers has talked about providing a mechanism to ensure source packages stay on the pool when other stuff has been built

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: On Mon Mar 30 17:20, Roger Leigh wrote: With multiarch, it's a different story, but we aren't quite there yet. Multiarch is definitely the right way to handle this and I think we should were possible be putting effort into that and not hacks. I

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes: [Goswin von Brederlow] Currently ia32-libs source builds one ia32-libs.deb. Not split up per binary package it contains. Yes but I thought we were talking about changing that, so that it builds ia32-libc6, ia32-libssl0.9.8, etc. That is how I

Re: Extended descriptions size

2009-03-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Tille til...@rki.de writes: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Michael Bramer wrote: Goswin von Brederlow schrieb: I think the idea of using the Description-md5sum is that in most cases the md5sum remains identical for many versions. If you use the packages actual version then every upload

Re: grouping of alternative depends

2009-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes: Hi, On Sonntag, 29. März 2009, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Doesn't this do what you want? Depends: pdns-backend-ldap | bind9, pdns-recursor | bind9 sure, that works and thats what I'm doing now. But it's ugly and redudant and potentially

Re: Debian 4.0 and Lustre

2009-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
EricSingleton set...@gmail.com writes: On Mar 24, 4:00 am, Andreas Tille til...@rki.de wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, set...@gmail.com wrote: I preferDebian4.0 because I feel it is more stable than 5.0. Please define more stable. What are the problems which you have observed?  Did you

Re: Extended descriptions size

2009-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Tille til...@rki.de writes: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Michael Bramer wrote: if we like to remove the long description from the package file, we must change apt in some way and use some other rules for select the right description (a new 'Description-md5sum' or the Version-Nr) I'd call

How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
ftpmaster: Please comment on the last section concerning DAK behaviour. Hi, before Lenny ftpmaster asked us (ia32-libs maintainers) to do something about the mess that is ia32-libs. Specifically that it is a HUGE source duplication and a security nightmare. Unfortunaetly there wasn't enough time

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes: * Goswin von Brederlow [Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:33:32 +0200]: Hello, [-mentors only Bcc'ed to drop it from the discussion] Executive summary: concerns about ia32-apt-get raised, lesser hack proposed for comments. before Lenny ftpmaster asked us

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@ens-lyon.org writes: Goswin von Brederlow, le Mon 30 Mar 2009 14:33:32 +0200, a écrit : Ia32-apt-get provides wrappers for dpkg.deb and apt-get that allow installing deb packages from an i386 repository (or local file) directly. Mmm, couldn't there be any

Re: How to depend on 32bit libs on amd64? (and what to do with ia32-libs)

2009-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes: [Adeodato Simó] Mark Hymers has talked about providing a mechanism to ensure source packages stay on the pool when other stuff has been built from them (eg. kernel module packages). With this, ia32-libs could become a small source package containing

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hector Oron hector.o...@gmail.com writes: Hello Goswin et al, IMHO, the things you are talking about are quite nice. They way it works sounds to me a little complex, that it is very close to the idea of crosscompiling, as the *right way*, as opposed to accumulate dirty hacks and

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-03-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, Mar 17 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: It seems to me that you are indeed close, but with the exception of this required include in all our debian/rules, which will be a PITA to achieve.

Re: Mass bugfiling in preparation for multiarch

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:11:35PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hi, over the weekend I did some work on multiarch again and did notice some new and old problems when adding more libraries to my test set. Given that the problems are quite

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 02:36:17PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: Note that apt-cross and ia32-apt-get can be used

Re: Mass bugfiling in preparation for multiarch

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 03:40:53PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: If you want to get some more multiarch ennemies, this is clearly the way to go. The alternate method is to post a list to debian-devel,

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:36 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Note that libc6 and libc6-i386/amd64 will neccessarily always conflict due to the dynamic linker Really? I thought the i386 dynamic linker was /lib/ld-linux.so.2 and the 64 bit one

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org writes: This one time, at band camp, Goswin von Brederlow said: 1) How to specify an arch in sources.list? Don't. Specify it in apt.conf Suggestion: deb [arch=i386,amd64] http://ftp.debian.org sid main APT::Arches i386,amd64 Or something. What if one

Re: Mass bugfiling in preparation for multiarch

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : And by the way. We had basic multiarch support before sarge. This is not before. This is after it has already killed multiarch for 2 stable releases. If we don't get things moving in parallel it will never be ready

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org writes: This one time, at band camp, Goswin von Brederlow said: Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org writes: This one time, at band camp, Goswin von Brederlow said: 1) How to specify an arch in sources.list? Don't. Specify it in apt.conf Suggestion: deb

Re: Mass bugfiling in preparation for multiarch

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 07:48:18PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : And by the way. We had basic multiarch support before sarge. This is not before. This is after

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 06:29:08PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 03:21:44PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: I think it would be very helpful if somebody could summarize why a multiarch system is useful, except for the obvious case

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche 15 mars 2009 à 01:30 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Say you have acrobat reader installed which depend on ia32-libs-gtk. You also have libgtk2.0 (i386) installed with a newer version that breaks acrobat reader (like it did last year

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 09:55:33PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:16:47PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Clint Adams | It may be time to change packages installing files to | /emul/ia32-linux (which violates the

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: 3. dpkg-buildpackage is probably the wrong place to put this solution in. Why? The fact that dpkg-buildpackage's setting the variables is not easily configurable, and presents to make as

Mass bugfiling in preparation for multiarch

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, over the weekend I did some work on multiarch again and did notice some new and old problems when adding more libraries to my test set. Given that the problems are quite easily detectable I'm considering scanning all packages for their occurance and reporting bugs for them. In detail I'm

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:55:36AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche 15 mars 2009 à 01:30 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Say you have acrobat reader installed which depend on ia32-libs-gtk

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 09:55:33PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:16:47PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Clint Adams | It may be time

Re: Mass bugfiling in preparation for multiarch

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le lundi 16 mars 2009 à 12:11 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Example: libgtk2.0-0 contains /etc/gtk-2.0/im-multipress.conf For this I want to file bugs (on top of violations of the MUST directive) requesting that either the conffile is split

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Mar 16, Simon Richter s...@debian.org wrote: Well, it would get i386/amd64 in line with sparc/sparc64, powerpc/powerpc64 and s390/s390x. That would allow us to get rid of a lot of specianl cases, including the hack for libc6-386. I don't see

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 02:36:17PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net writes: One of the goal of multiarch is to avoid having

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:05:42PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Taken together, this guarantees the newer libs would always be found before the older libs, so there's no need to do extra special-casing for those libs that were previously

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 08:52:04PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:03:06AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: What transitional issues is that going to cause us if and when

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Clint Adams sch...@debian.org writes: It may be time to change packages installing files to /emul/ia32-linux (which violates the FHS) to use /usr/lib32 instead. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. It is high time to change to the multiarch dir. For that gcc needs to be fixed first so compiling 32bit

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:50:23PM +, Clint Adams wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:16:47PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Could we pretty please use the multiarch paths here if we start moving stuff around? We're going to need to patch

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:16:47PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Clint Adams | It may be time to change packages installing files to | /emul/ia32-linux (which violates the FHS) to use | /usr/lib32 instead. Could we pretty please use the

Re: Proposal: virtual package + alternative: x-keyboard

2009-03-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: However, there is another issue here - if the device is multi-user, most login managers cannot cope with a touchscreen keyboard. gpe-login is one that can, gdm cannot. Having touchscreen keyboard support in X is good as long as the user can log into

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-03-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:03:06AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: What transitional issues is that going to cause us if and when multiarch becomes generally available, if biarch packages start using the path now? libfoo i386 then needs Replaces

Re: best practice for updating inetd.conf with a user-chosen port?

2009-03-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes: Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 04:56:20PM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: how to had new services in /etc/services database? Asking netbase maintainer(s)? Just read /etc/services about that. Hmm. Reading your and dato

Re: [luabind] Naming library with proper SONAME

2009-03-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roberto C. Sánchez robe...@connexer.com writes: [My apologies in advance for the cross-posting.] On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:42:36AM +0100, Daniel Wallin wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: So, I've been trying to build the Debian package with the latest from the 0.8 branch on github. It

Re: best practice for updating inetd.conf with a user-chosen port?

2009-03-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eric Cooper e...@cmu.edu writes: What is the best way to register a daemon under inetd with a user-chosen port? (I am packaging a daemon that is run by inetd, but does not have a standard port number.) Currently I am prompting the user for the port via debconf, grepping /etc/inetd.conf to

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

2009-03-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes: I am wondering which is of more use to the end users as well: I can always get the sources of the package I have already on my disk from Debian, but getting the latest munged source seems more useful to me. Full ACK. The way to get the

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jan Hauke Rahm i...@jhr-online.de writes: On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 05:52:16PM +1000, James Westby wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 16:07 +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: And how do you store that in a VCS if a second tarball includes files that actually overwrite files of the main orig tarball. At

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Mar 09, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: I think TopGit is the right solution to this. Is it plausible to use a branch-per-patch solution for packages containing 30-60 patches? -- ciao, Marco From the space and git point of view that is

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 09 Mar 2009, James Westby wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 17:11 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: There's nothing to specify here, dpkg-source uses all additional tarballs that match the regexp (exactly like it identifies the .orig tarball

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jan Hauke Rahm i...@jhr-online.de writes: On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 01:09:34AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: If you're trying to recreate the tarball from a set of files, this doesn't work as well, but that also has other problems (it doesn't give you a reproducible tarball). I suspect that if

Re: Support of new source packages in squeeze

2009-03-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes: Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 06 Mar 2009, Michael Biebl wrote: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown information field 'Format' in input data in general section of control info file Should I file a bug against dpkg-dev for that? And another minor

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org wrote: On Tue Mar 03 11:07, Joerg Schilling wrote: The rules of the GPL end at work limit and neither libc nor libschily or libscg are part of the work mkisofs. For this reason, there is no

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Brett Parker idu...@sommitrealweird.co.uk writes: On 03 Mar 15:41, Joerg Schilling wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:09:29PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: You are uninformed: libc on Linux is under LGPL and the LGPL is as incompatible to GPL as

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: ... As a hint: the work mkisofs is the plain files that can be found in the sub-directory mkisofs in the cdrtools source tree. Other

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

2009-03-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Hey folks, I'm looking at my local mirror (slowly) update at the moment, and I've got to wondering: are the large -dbg packages actually really useful to anybody? I can't imagine that more than a handful of users ever install (to pick an example) the

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: As said, license compatibility needs to be discussed separately. If you like to allow to publish binaries from GPLd

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes: If libschilly met the criteria for being a System Library then it probably have been packaged for use by other programs. If you want to make a case for including libschilly as a System Library then please

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: As said, license compatibility needs to be discussed separately. If you like to allow to publish binaries from GPLd programs for _any_ OS that does not come with a GPLd libc, you need to allow (*) to link _any_ GPLd program

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bill Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca writes: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@gmail.com writes: But, on the other hand, please do not try to stress that the debian fork is as good as Schillings. It is not necessary, the non-free argument is enough

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@gmail.com writes: But! From a user-only perspective: Do I think that the software Joerg Schilling provides is superior? Yes. I've tried it back when Debian still had a cdrecord and that, on request by Joerg Schilling, did not include the dvd burning patch. One

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-03-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net writes: I wish I had at least a STM-1 at home, I would you send you all 300 coredumps since the release weekend of Lenny... I have over 16 GByte of coredumps: OpenOffice, Iceweasel, mutt, pidgin, FvwmForm, mimedecode, gimp, mc, ... Since

Re: Proposed release goal: fix debian/rules build-arch

2009-02-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Kari Pahula k...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:21:42AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Such a requirement unfortunately still won't mean that Lintian can use that option to do a check of debian/rules. As long as make is willing to run such code, we can't just rely on a Policy

Re: Proposed release goal: fix debian/rules build-arch

2009-02-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Le Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 07:51:14PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois a écrit : Does “build reproducibility” mean something to you? Hi Cyril, Build reproduciblitity means to me that two instances package built in the same environment should be

Re: Build-indep as a way to not build doc.

2009-02-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 02:39:59PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: If we can ever settle on a suitable implementation, I would expect the savings of both human and CPU cycles to be sizeable, and worth the effort. If the problem is limited to local

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-02-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Brett Parker idu...@sommitrealweird.co.uk writes: On 26 Feb 15:47, Joerg Schilling wrote: It seems that you are spreding FUD. Everybody who is interested in working CD/DVD creating uses the original software. There are nearly 100 Bug Reports against the fork in the bug tracking systems from

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

2009-02-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org writes: Kalle Kivimaa kil...@debian.org writes: If you feel that the SFLC's opinion is wrong, you are of course free to provide us with competent legal advice countering SFLC's opinion. opinions can only be proven right or wrong in court. It seems that

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 04:16:53PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Maybe we need a mass bug filing for programs not using 64bit file offsets. I think that would be appropriate. At this point, I can't see a valid reason for any package

Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?

2009-02-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net writes: On 02/09/2009 08:04 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/09/2009 12:28 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: If jed can deal with files that large, sure. But if it expects to be able to load

Re: Forthcoming changes in kernel-package

2009-02-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org writes: On Wed, Feb 18 2009, Theodore Tso wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 12:14:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, This is a heads up for a major change in kernel-package, the tool to create user packaged kernel images and headers; which

Re: Is the FHS dead ?

2009-02-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Giacomo Catenazzi c...@cateee.net writes: Standards should be most frozen as possible. I don't find a lot of think that need to be added. What about cross compile and multiarch paths? The old lib32/lib64 dirs currently mentioned in the FHS are just not covering enough cases and are misleading

Re: Proposed release goal: fix debian/rules build-arch

2009-02-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Kari Pahula wrote: Currently, Debian Policy doesn't match with the current practice in section 7.7. The Build-Depends-Indep and Build-Conflicts-Indep fields must be satisfied when any of the following targets is invoked:

Re: Bits from the Debian CD team

2009-01-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes: Overview of available CD/DVD/Blu-ray images for Lenny - Architecture-specific images: * businesscard CD * network install (netinst) CD * full CD (650MB) images, users can now choose between: -

Security slightly compromised. Why is lenny-security altering uw-imap_2007b~dfsg.orig.tar.gz?

2008-12-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, I run reprepro to create a local mirror for lenny, lenny-security and sid. Since I have it setup to put all 3 into a common pool I noticed the following: Lenny: -- Package: uw-imap Version: 7:2007b~dfsg-3 Files: b52118669abf422f766d14e3e2d69daa 1608456 uw-imap_2007b~dfsg.orig.tar.gz

Re: Security slightly compromised. Why is lenny-security altering uw-imap_2007b~dfsg.orig.tar.gz?

2008-12-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
José Luis Tallón jltal...@adv-solutions.net writes: Nico Golde wrote: Yes. I see two possibilities here, one option is to get 8:2007b~dfsg-1 unblocked and let this migrate to lenny (there is some weird SONAME change though) or to reupload a +lenny2 version to testing-security again.

Re: Game servers in /usr/games or /usr/sbin

2008-12-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Christian Perrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting Magnus Holmgren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Game executables should be installed in /usr/games, but what about game servers that are designed to be long-running (in contrast to ones that just manage a single game) and to run as a system daemon,

Bug#498380: RFC: Implementing dpkg-vendor and adding vendor handling to dpkg-dev

2008-09-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
/debian/changelog --- dpkg-1.14.23/debian/changelog 2008-09-09 16:17:35.0 +0200 +++ dpkg-1.14.24/debian/changelog 2008-09-09 15:06:29.0 +0200 @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@ +dpkg (1.14.24) unstable; urgency=low + + [ Goswin von Brederlow ] + * Add /usr/bin/dpkg-vendor script + * Update /usr/share

Re: feature: to add explanations of recommendations and suggestions dependencies

2008-08-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 06:36:35PM +0300, Shachar Or a écrit : What I am offering is the idea that package dependencies that are reccomendations or suggestions must be explained. Hi, Before I read your mail, I thought that it was not possible,

Re: What is the target used by buildd?

2008-08-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Francisco Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I believed buildd.debian.org was meant to build only binary-arch packages. But in recent build logs of the zeroc-ice package: http://buildd.debian.org/build.cgi?pkg=zeroc-ice;ver=3.3.0-4 I found buildd tried to build a binary-indep package

Re: Should the X packages pre-depend on awk?

2008-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:30:44PM +0200, Manuel Prinz wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 31.07.2008, 09:27 + schrieb Jörg Sommer: recently, I've installed a new system with a minimal configuration. Then I've imported my old package selection with dpkg

Re: Packages getting marked not-for-us

2008-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Matthew Johnson] Or at least didn't block testing migration. I'm happy if porters decide my package isn't for them, as long as it doesn't stop it being for anyone else either... I agree. Perhaps a new rule should be introduced, that when a

Re: trying to overwrite ..., which is also in package ...

2008-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Vincent Danjean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Olivier Berger wrote: Le mercredi 06 août 2008 à 08:14 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Say, couldn't there be some automatic checks so we users don't encounter # apt-get dist-upgrade ERR: trying to overwrite `some file, which is also in package

Re: Packages getting marked not-for-us

2008-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 07 Aug 2008, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Matthew Johnson] Or at least didn't block testing migration. I'm happy if porters decide my package isn't for them, as long as it doesn't

Accepted ia32-libs-tools 2 (source all)

2008-07-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:05:50 +0200 Source: ia32-libs-tools Binary: ia32-libs-tools Architecture: source all Version: 2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian ia32-libs Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Goswin von

Accepted ia32-libs-tools 8 (source all amd64)

2008-07-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
PROTECTED] Changed-By: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: ia32-apt-get - Apt-get and dpkg wrapper for on-the-fly ia32-libs conversion ia32-archive - Create a local archive of converted i386 debs for amd64 and ia64 ia32-libs-tools - Tools for converting i386 debs for amd64 and ia64

Accepted ia32-libs-tools 11 (source all amd64)

2008-07-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
PROTECTED] Changed-By: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: ia32-apt-get - Apt-get and dpkg wrapper for on-the-fly ia32-libs conversion ia32-archive - Create a local archive of converted i386 debs for amd64 and ia64 ia32-libs-tools - Tools for converting i386 debs for amd64 and ia64

Re: Intel Atom Processor

2008-07-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Kushal Koolwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively support these? I noticed this page being created on the wiki recently: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow dijo [Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:10:30PM +0200]: I don't think that any of the alternatives are valid candidates yet: - Linux-Vserver, OpenVZ: clearly not the same use case. - Virtualbox, qemu: poor performance under some workloads

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 15/07/08 at 14:01 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: Xen is just one solution to virtualisation. I may agree that a general decision to support virtualisation on Debian could be a policy decision, but whether we'll support one specific technology, for

Re: Help: Strange 64bit issue

2008-07-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, William Pitcock wrote: If you do build-depends on gcc-multilib and g++-multilib, it should fix this problem. As I said it fixes the build problem - but now I have a package with a not working executable. I guess it is also a

Re: Multiarch and idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-07-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 08:33 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Neil Williams | Just a thought - why use /usr/lib/$ARCH and /usr/include/$ARCH at all | when it would (IMHO) be simpler to use /usr/$TRIPLET/ and put the entire | package under that, as we

Re: RFC: Idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-07-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: working on dpkg reminded me that I wanted to propose a better diversion and alternatives handling for debian packages. Currently they have to be manually added and removed in the maintainer scripts. This method is prone

Re: Multiarch and idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-07-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:44 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: James Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 02:03:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So if we allow multiple packages to be installed at the same time which divert

Re: RFC: Idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-07-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
James Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 02:03:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: So if we allow multiple packages to be installed at the same time which divert the same file, then I think we have another case for wanting to continue supporting an optional diversion target

Re: Handling macro change in an exported library header

2008-06-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Nikita Youshchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello. To fix #486693, I need to apply a patch that changes #define'd macro in an exported library header. The pattern is: extern int foo(char *param1, int param2); #define bar(param) foo(param, expr(param)) and changed thing is expr(param)

Re: Arch-dependent Depends

2008-06-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Package: type-handling Well, that's the good-old type-handling, something we hoped we wouldn't need in 2008 anymore. Michael I thought so too but I can't find any of the type-handling magic for install time depends in dpkg. Only the buildtime stuff

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