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have downloaded it?
You're missing the point. These kernels are only available after
installation. They're not used on boot floppies.
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the optimal kernel. This could be
Guess what, that's how the current 2.4 kernel images are constructed.
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I've said before that over 2000 kernel configuration options exist and
Most of which can be decided at runtime once you start using initrd.
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stuff outside kernel-headers, either it's doing
something wrong, or there's stuff in the kernel that needs to be moved
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for them.
[1] The point of this exercise is not to make it easier for people who don't
know how to compile kernels to be able to use optimised kernels. It is
for those who don't have a grunty box to keep up with the them.
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:30:31PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
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i think you've done a good job of summarising the issues.
I agree as well.
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1 8 0 f a 4 2 d f \n
11560001
[12:39:42 /tmp]$
I'm not sure if this is your problem, but there should be two final
new lines. One to terminate the the MD5sum line, and one to terminate
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source uploads.
Well, kernels/modules have traditionally required this kind of access.
There's no way around it I'm afraid.
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%3a2.95.4-0.010407_i386.deb
(--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
The breakage shows up here.
Looks like we need a predependency in libdb2 on the new libc6.
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 04:28:30PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:31:46AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Because someone asked why the kernel-headers necessary. Their
presence allows both our module maintainers and other maintainers
to compile modules easily
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Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Herbert Xu wrote:
That's the wrong solution. It prevents people who want to use ECN from
using it. The correct solution is to disable it in /etc/sysctl.conf.
However, I just had a look, and sysctl.conf is in procps which isn't
essential
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:13:49PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Does this functionality mean disabling ECN or sysctl.conf?
The former.
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a kernel-headers package for the glibc maintainer to
use. In fact, it's exactly the same as before.
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:54:33AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Herbert Xu wrote:
That is the raison d'etre for kernel-headers. However, the new per-image
kernel-headers exist solely for the benefit of module builders.
Then you break things for no good reason
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I'm talking about people like VMWare, i.e., people who distribute binary
only modules.
Call *me* a cretin, but wouldn't that be non-free?
Binary-only modules should be slain. Plus, they've
.
why are they needed?
For module builders.
and while you're at it, how about answering the other questions that you
ignored in my last message?
Which were?
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mount -nrt ext2 /dev/legolas/root0 /mnt
cd /mnt
pivot_root . initrd
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:47:48PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
They still suck, and they're still non-free.
Who said that we were going to distribute them?
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:00:01PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:49:48PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Who said that we were going to distribute them?
If we don't distribute them, why in hell are we breaking mirrors by
supporting them? Sounds dodgy to me.
So
, as is
mirror.aarnet.edu.au. Breaks a dist-upgrade (out-of-sync Packages, and
actual packages).
Prove that it is caused by the kernel images and I'll get rid of them.
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actually have any hard facts regarding mirrors broken by kernel
images or do you just like spreading FUD?
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:45:11PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:20:43PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
FUD. Show me what's actually broken.
Mirrors. Slow. Out-of-sync.
It's still FUD until you produce the evidence that it's caused by the kernel
images.
Prove
AND TEN MEGABYTES PER KERNEL RELEASE DOES NOT HELP MIRRORS WHICH
HAVE ...
Somehow I don't see how 2 has got anything to do with 1.
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against
the right package, i.e., work out who's constructing what before you go off
filing bugs.
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up much more
space than one kernel source would.
Just change the rules to not call make-kpkg build and make-kpkg kernel-image
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config file, and the
other ones are built with their respective config files.
so, what's the difference between all
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:10:48PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:01:39PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
So that they can compile them? If you don't understand why we should do
that, then there's no point in us two arguing about it.
If they're binary-only, I doubt much
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:14:40PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config file, and the
other ones are built
them down or even worse, you end up with module packages
that don't work with the kernels.
I'm happy to answer questions about how the kernel-headers can be used to
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:14:18PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:06:21AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Bullshit. Why don't you do a diff instead of talking about something that
you have no idea about?
Do you deny that the file named autoconf.h contains precicely what I
that they're willing to compile it for your specifications.
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
I'm actually referring to all binary modules. But for binary-only modules
in particular, since you don't have the luxuary of being able to recompile
them, it's even more important to supply
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:31:06AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build
system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the
way kernel-image-i386
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How are they going to compile a kernel if they haven't even installed Linux?
The most important function of initrd is to reduce the number of kernel
images needed on boot floppies to one.
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and make a modules
package. The netfilter is modularised after all.
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are (mostly) really static.
Only in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19/include/linux: modversions.h
Only in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19/include/linux: version.h
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I'm talking about people like VMWare, i.e., people who distribute binary
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I'm talking about people like VMWare, i.e., people who distribute binary
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I meant to say binary modules.
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if you want to compile binary modules
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:15:03AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:24:13PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
How are they going to compile a kernel if they haven't even installed
Linux?
that's obvious. by installing linux and then compiling a kernel.
I hope you're being
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kernel modules now that there are
known hax0r stealth modules which exist purely to hide the fact that a
system has been compromised.
And what does this have to do with our discussion?
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the users compile the rest. Let's rewind
the clock back to times when men were men, and they compiled everything
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David Spreen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 10:16:36PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
With the latest release, it's now down to about 80MB. In any case, we
never release with more than one old kernel, nor with experimental kernels,
so that would be 1 x 2.2.x, and at most 2 x 2.4.x
and set $KSRC?
You can't build-depend on a source package.
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apt-get source kernel-image-2.4.3-i386
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:26:37PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:13:57PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
You're ignoring our main disagreement. Which is whether most people
should use precompiled kernel images or recompile them.
no, i'm not.
i keep on trying to get
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:19:10AM -0300, Henrique M Holschuh wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Herbert Xu wrote:
Which is why it should only be killed in prerm/preinst.
Which makes all the supposed simple restart solution for the runlevel
problem fail in _all_ cases. Thank you for reminding me
their packages, but run
this utility just before they upload.
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This occurs when apt-move first moves the packages in, which is why you m=
ust
never move packages in by hand (at least not without doing an fsck later).
my apologies.. I was under
(and may even be damaged) with the current X settings.
Single user mode.
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want. Shall we make something like 700 default? It would break some
things like UserDir public_html in Apache, etc. In my school server
You could make it 711.
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Herbert And this is Debian where we have a policy that says #!/bin/sh
scripts
Herbert need to be POSIX compliant.
What policy says is:
We were talking about echo -ne, not echo -n which ash
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:10:04AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote:
It parses command line -en different from bash. Different getopts ;-)
How does it differ? AFAIK, ash's getopts is POSIX compliant.
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have a policy that says #!/bin/sh scripts
need to be POSIX compliant.
You cannot use it as a default shell without auditing all scripts.
I use it on all my systems and currently nothing breaks.
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form of netstat tool; for instance, when diagnosing routing
snmpnetstat will show the routing table of routers that export it
through SNMP. My point is that route in this case is simply a
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be the ravings of a deranged
lunatic.
Which they are, as usual.
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int bradon;
__asm__(.align 2,0x90\n1:\tdecl %0\n\tjns 1b
: =a (=brandon): 0 (loops));
Make that
int brandon;
__asm__ __volatile__(.align 2,0x90\n1:\tdecl %0\n\tjns 1b
: =a (brandon): 0 (loops));
Oh, and you should probably upgrade your
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a
command that should be in the path (but look before you leap) is this:
But I thought one of the main complaints was that /usr/sbin wasn't in the
PATH.
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But I thought one of the main complaints was that /usr/sbin wasn't in the
PATH.
Generally, maintainer scripts, and programs meant to be run by root, run as
root.
If a program expects
a spammer, it can easily be
blocked, thus giving a relay's admin a very strong incentive to act.
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, now what's that thing called netstat(1)
which happens to be in your package and also happens to have a flag called
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is essentially what netstat does with -p.
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in from anywhere else in the world, he can
request the privileges from that process.
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version here. Whether
it will get into potato is up to the release manager.
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59642 nfs-server: conflicts with Standard package nfs-kernel-server
Huh? Isn't this what it is expected to?
They can't both be standard if they conflict with each other, see Policy.
I will be uploading a new release with a symlink bug fix
does not update the inetd entry.
The reason is that the old netstd did not enable tftpd by default, while the
new tftpd package always enables tftpd.
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Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 02, Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The patent makes it non-free, so does the new license.
Really? In my country RSA is not patented, why should I care about what
happens in someone else country?
Please have a look at our policy.
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On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 07:06:10PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 08:15:54AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
I think the worst case would be a telnetd linked with a broken
shlib (or in the case of telnetd, perhaps a missing or broken
/usr/lib/telnetd/login) that gives
On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 09:36:36PM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Herbert Xu wrote:
If anyone has seen an existing connection die, please report that as a bug.
what against? internet ??
My message was about telnetd getting killed, so of course it would be against
/etc/init.d/gpm instead.
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be
upgraded (by whatever program that is in charge) one by one.
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. The same thing applies to other daemons being upgraded,
including ssh.
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a public key mechism, not to mention
that existin ssh clients would not be able to securely connect to obsd-ssh
servers :
They use libssl, which begs the question why isn't libssl in non-US/non-free?
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Joel Klecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:06 +1000 1999-10-02, Herbert Xu wrote:
They use libssl, which begs the question why isn't libssl in non-US/non-free?
Uh, because it isn't non-free?
Here's a quote from the policy:
`Non-free' contains packages which are not compliant
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, back to the original problem, the best solution IMHO is just to
run telnet/ssh and screen so that none of this really affects you.
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The license issues seem to be sorted out for me. So I'll have a go at it.
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Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Herbert Xu wrote:
I disagree. If a package causes a remote root exploit to be available, even
if it's only in a very specific configuration, I would say that it is
critical.
No, it's grave. All security bugs are grave, it's part of the definition
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