Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/16/06, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care about the implementation details, but if it requires kernel support, then yes. How should the kernel (or any other implementation) know which script requires which python version without the scripts declaring it? Via

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/16/06, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/16/06, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care about the implementation details, but if it requires kernel support, then yes. How should the kernel

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/16/06, Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: That depends on the implementation but I don't think it's not solvable. There's a bunch of claims from people who have worked on multiarch-related problems for a few years. You seem to think those claims are bogus

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/15/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/14/06, Michal Čihař [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Linux kernel requires a full path for #! scripts. This makes One option would be to improve the Linux kernel. :) And make

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/15/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being able to install multiple versions is some use to multiarch, but could also be used for other things, such if two packages provide the same binary (git for example). Or to install multiple 'version 'numbers' of the same package.

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/15/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 01:19:14AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: I so far haven't seen any compelling arguments for multiarchifying the whole archive including all of */bin. Personnally I

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/15/06, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Dim 14 Mai 2006 21:11, Olaf van der Spek a écrit : - Why would you want to have both types installed simultaneously anyway? For libraries the answer is simple, but multiarch applications simply don't seem useful to me

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/15/06, Romain Beauxis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! On Monday 15 May 2006 14:15, Olaf van der Spek wrote: this is a dream. This also need that the application is able to deal with the fact that it has configuration for the 32 and 64 bits version coexisting cleanly. True

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/15/06, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would you see many binaries installed from the user point of view? with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example because one user would like to have the absolute latest version of a certain package

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-14 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/13/06, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be total insanity. Just think about the number of scripts with #!/usr/bin/python in it that would have to be changed. And how Shouldn't

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-14 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/14/06, Michal Čihař [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Linux kernel requires a full path for #! scripts. This makes One option would be to improve the Linux kernel. :) And make scripts incompatible with any other unix kernel? No and that's not what I said. I'm quite sure there is a

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-14 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/14/06, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/14/06, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/13/06, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sense if one considers a #! program to be something that should have predictable behavior no matter what the user happens

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/13/06, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be total insanity. Just think about the number of scripts with #!/usr/bin/python in it that would have to be changed. And how Shouldn't such hard-coded paths be avoided in the long term (anyway)? would you even change them

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-11 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/11/06, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 03:33:45PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Why would that not fly? Both versions of the arch-independent package could be installed at the same time. /usr/share/foo/bar can't point to two different files at the same

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-05-11 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/9/06, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/6/06, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think you can tell pretty clearly that Bernd has no objection at all to NMU's. yes, but please not for wishlist bugs. Again

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/10/06, Matt Taggart and others [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a couple years now a few of us have been talking about an idea called multiarch. This is a way to seamlessly allow support for multiple different binary targets on the same system, for example running both i386-linux-gnu and

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/10/06, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:54:23PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Does it also allow multiple versions of the same package to be installed at the same time? For example, multiple minor versions or multiple major versions? I think that's

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula

2006-05-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/10/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just that I'm quite concerned about the precendent this creates. Up until now, people have abandoned packages when other people felt the packages in question where poorly maintained. I remember the case of the Sometimes they have

Re: multiarch status update

2006-05-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/10/06, Matt Taggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it also allow multiple versions of the same package to be installed at the same time? For example, multiple minor versions or multiple major versions? Read the papers listed in the wiki. The short answer is no, same as it is today with

Re: PDF files and dh_compress

2006-05-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/10/06, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about improving transparent decompression somehow? well... unification via mailcap is nice, but as I mentioned before it would be trickier to make it work from firefox (it assumes all .gz files Good solutions aren't always trivial.

Re: PDF files and dh_compress

2006-05-09 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/9/06, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * dh_compress doesn't compress some other files based on extension including .zip files. PDF (to my knowledge) uses zip internally to compress the document. So why PDF should be gzipped if .zip not? Probably because .zip is compressed

Re: Compiling packages for the standard distribution with -Os instead of -O2

2006-05-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/3/06, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to see the effects of compiling programs with -Os, I tried to get the sources for firefox 1.5 from testing (which is what I use by default) and compiled it with -Os, instead of -O2. The program was much more responsive, with less use of swap

Re: Apache 2 maintenance status?

2006-05-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 4/28/06, Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:58:58PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 10/29/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Does anyone know the Apache2 maintenance status? Lots of bug reports appear to be 'ignored'. Examples

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 4/27/06, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 11:43:02AM -0400, Toni L. Harbaugh-Blackford [Contr] wrote: Just what are the rules for someone to have commit access? None, it is the full decision of the project admin, and i believe what happened here is that one

Re: Apache 2 maintenance status?

2006-04-27 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi again, On 10/29/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Does anyone know the Apache2 maintenance status? Lots of bug reports appear to be 'ignored'. Examples are: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267477 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288615

Philipp Matthias Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIA?

2006-04-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi, Does anyone know whether Philipp Matthias Hahn is MIA? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Philipp Matthias Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIA?

2006-04-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 4/19/06, Florian Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:19:58AM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Does anyone know whether Philipp Matthias Hahn is MIA? Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:26:13 +0100: I'm very busy at the moment (univertity work), had deveral hardware failures and had

Re: Philipp Matthias Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIA?

2006-04-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 4/19/06, Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what very soon now (tm) means. :) I assume NMUs can be done (on the mytop package)? You can always NMU any package when you think it is necessary. We have a procedure for that :) I think it's necessary for net-tools, but others

Re: Bug#357703: udev breaks syslog

2006-03-30 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/30/06, Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 28 March 2006 18:15, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Mar 28, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about restarting syslog (or it's equivalent) after relocating the old /dev? glibc already has infrastructure for restarting

Re: Bug#357703: udev breaks syslog

2006-03-28 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/28/06, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 06:15:27PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Harder than it looks. There are multiple syslog daemons, how can the package know which one is installed and needs to be restarted? are there really that many syslog daemons (my

Re: e1000 support in Debian [Was: Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list [Debian Policy Sucks]]

2006-03-20 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/20/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 03:39:45PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: So what do you people suggest in such cases: 1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ? 2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ? 3) Buddy!

Re: dicussion about patches ...

2006-03-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/19/06, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-19 08:06]: The question is if the problems with the patches and the reason for not applying it will be commented, thus giving the author a chance to modify it, or change his approach to fixing the

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/19/06, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Sven Luther] I am not saying that there needs to be an immediate response, or all patches need to be applied, but i believe that it is elementary politeness from a package maintainer, to at least aknowledge a patch or bug report

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/15/06, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : Hi, I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed from the project. The process is outlined here:

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/13/06, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.13.0752 +0100]: Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else. The mirror split is a

Re: Re: Re: Implicition declarations of functions and bugs

2006-03-12 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 3/11/06, Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a warning and not an error, because using one's own strdup() Is there any reason not to add an explicit declaration (in any case)? function (that would take ints) is perfectly legal. gcc-4.0 emits the warning to let the programmer

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-03-09 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/6/06, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think you can tell pretty clearly that Bernd has no objection at all to NMU's. yes, but please not for wishlist bugs. Again: there are bugs open for net-tools where help is requested, I would

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 2/22/06, Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct, so one would put in foo.postrm: rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty /usr/local/lib/foo That's not sufficient, because /usr/local may be mounted ro, and therefore the command may fail

Apache2 bugs status

2006-01-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi Debian developers, Does any of you know about the status of Apache2? I've send the message below to listed email address and I've asked at IRC but I haven't received any response. Hi Apache2 maintainers, I've noticed there are a lot of bugs, see

Re: Apache2 bugs status

2006-01-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/21/06, Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: Hi Debian developers, Does any of you know about the status of Apache2? It works flawlessly on several places where I have deployed it. I've send the message below to listed email address and I've asked

Re: Apache2 bugs status

2006-01-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/21/06, Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 1/21/06, Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: [..] A lot of those bugs are quite old and some appear to be trivial to fix, but they don't have a single response from you. Could you

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/12/06, Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Florian Weimer] What about: stop threatening your fellow developers? Why is specifying the consequences of doing a bad job with maintaining ones debian packages threatening? IMHO it

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-01-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/30/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/22/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/05, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 08:03:47PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-01-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/6/06, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 05:03:39PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 12/30/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/22/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-01-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/6/06, Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, January 6, 2006 17:03, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Hi Bernd, Could you please respond to this issue? Hello Olaf, Could you please stop this? You've been asking about this for many times I'd prefer to, but that doesn't look like

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-01-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/6/06, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think you can tell pretty clearly that Bernd has no objection at all to NMU's. yes, but please not for wishlist bugs. Again: there are bugs open for net-tools where help is requested, I would

Re: Experimental or unstable.

2006-01-05 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 1/5/06, Nicolas François [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How Debian users can know there is a new version in experimental? There are some messages in debian-devel, or blogs on planet, but not all users or developers are reading them. Is there a command that can display the list of packages I'm

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-12-30 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/22/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/05, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 08:03:47PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Bernd? I dont like the prposed solution, i am

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-27 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/27/05, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 57.000 US$/month / 10 US$/GB = 5700 GB/month 5700 GB/month / 30,4 days / 24 h / 3600 sec = 2,22 MByte/second 2,22 MByte/Second ~ 28 MBit 12.6 bit/byte? Because we do not get 34 MBit and we have not a netload of 100% 24/7 the price per

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/21/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you paying 10 $/gb? Heck yes, you can't get it that cheap unless you have no SLA (or one of those insulting SLAs that come with residential service, claiming that it doesn't have to work at all). And you can't get that at all on a

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uncompressor file.tar.whatever | tar -x $ uncompressor -bash: uncompressor: command not found This solution doesn't look usable in scripts and user have to use a more complex syntax.

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who need PARALELISM and who has a bandwidth of more then 8 MBit? I have 10240kBit downstream and get way less from security.debian.org. Especialy when there is a security release of X or latex. But parallel downloads won't solve

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/19/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:27:36PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Steinar H. Gunderson: My comments are about the same as on IRC: - Disk space is cheap, bandwidth is cheap. Depends. Decent IP service costs a few EUR per

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/18/05, Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that the biggest problem is really updates. Packages like XFree86 (no X.org) and Openoffice.org are *huge*. A simple security update to one of those packages causes all subordinate binary packages to get a version bump. That

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/18/05, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: I've run some scripts to find out the size of binary pakcages in debian and how theycould be made smaller, here's the results: My comments are about the same as on IRC:

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/18/05, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 02:56:10PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Why would this be huge? Why is it that hard to plugin another codec? You'd have to rewrite about every single tool in the world handling .debs, make up a transition

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/18/05, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 08:23:56PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Why would that stop working if you switch compression schemes? I guess tar is coded to use gzip with -z and bzip2 with -j, but why is there no generic way to add

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/18/05, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:15:31PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: I guess what I'm asking is, why are tar and other applications using gzip instead of a generic library that handles all compression/decompression and can be easily

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-12-16 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/29/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/29/05, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 06:08:23PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: And nearly four months later, the package has 92 bugs, 16 with patch and a lot even without a single response

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-14 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/14/05, Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1]: As I write this 79 NEW packages, 85 total. With only four entries more than a month old I think it's doing fine, especially compared to other maintainers/teams that have bugs open months or years.

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-14 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/14/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Likewise for mozilla-firefox-adblock (2 months), new version of tidy (1 month), xplc (1 month), cvsconnect (1 month), cvssuck (1 month), libmpd (1 month); if there's something wrong with each of these packages, the packager should know by

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-14 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 13 Dec 2005 15:56:00 +0100, Claus Färber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb/wrote: That's not true. Suppose you've only got 3 users. If each user connects to one (different) mirror, he gets 1/1 of that mirror's bandwidth. If each user connects to each

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/13/05, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assume a situation where mirror bandwidth is the limiting factor, and imagine a world with 3 mirrors. Say that during a certain time of the day 600 users each minute start to download updated x.org packages. Either they can do their

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-12 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/12/05, Ivan Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I read the proposal, it is about downloading _different_ files from different mirrors - if you have 25 packages to get for your 'apt-get update' operation, download 5 packages from each of 5 different servers, with one connection

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-05 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/5/05, Ivan Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Example: (/etc/apt/sources.list) deb http://ftp.en.debian.org/debian main stable contrib non-free deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian main stable contrib non-free in this case the stable packages will be ONLY downloaded from first server from

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-05 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/5/05, Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/5/05, Ivan Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Example: (/etc/apt/sources.list) deb http://ftp.en.debian.org/debian main stable contrib non-free deb http

Re: sarge uninstallable !?!

2005-12-04 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 12/4/05, A Mennucc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ops turns out that in both cases they where using a pre-release, namely, .disk/info contains Debian GNU/Linux testing Sarge - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041121) Apparently that wasn't obvious. Shouldn't it be made more clear what

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/2/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What's the maintenance status of the net-tools package? It has 88 bugs: Serious policy violations - outstanding (1 bug) Important bugs - outstanding (8 bugs) Normal bugs - outstanding (38 bugs) Minor bugs - outstanding (9 bugs

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-11-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/29/05, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 06:08:23PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: And nearly four months later, the package has 92 bugs, 16 with patch and a lot even without a single response. This is not true. What part isn't? Stop bothering me

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/25/05, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, using the signature on the .changes to verify the .debs independent from the archive at some later date is a nice side-benefit, but one which suffers from the same key-lifetime issues as in-deb signatures, What exactly is this key

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/23/05, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the archive, 525 out of 283283 .deb's are dpkg-sig'd (0.19%). There are 8 distinct keys used for those 525 .deb's, seven of which correspond to DD's[1]. So, most of the DD's do not care about security at all. Why does Debian have a

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/23/05, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek writes: Security is more than package signatures. What is your specific proposal? I don't have one. But I don't see how that's relevant.

Re: Azureus magnet-link functionality

2005-11-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/15/05, Ken Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaun Jackman wrote: In the following email Chris suggests that I add support for bit torrent magnet:// URLs under Gnome2 in the Azureus package by setting the gconftool-2 parameter /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/magnet/command to call Azureus.

Re: Resignation and orphan list

2005-11-12 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/11/05, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering that James' reluctance to do the work he has volunteered to do is a recurring issue in the Debian project, and that this issue has not yet been addressed by the new DPL who was elected in the hope that he would try solving some of

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/10/05, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Josselin Mouette] I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used to be accepted in the past. It's the first line of defense against people uploading things that don't build, wasting various infrastructure

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-11-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/29/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/25/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/05, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:21:04PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: I'm afraid I have to ask the same question again (three

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-11-10 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/10/05, Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any chance you could get quoting right? this message is totally unreadable. Maybe it's caused by lack of support for UTF-8?

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-08 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/8/05, Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that we have limited resources. How is that relevant?

Re: postinst scripts failing because a new conffile wasn't accepted: Is it a bug?

2005-11-01 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/1/05, Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 06:56:44PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: In my opinion this is not a bug (except if the package is crucial for the system to work and be reachable, like ssh) - the local admin simply has to review the changes to

Re: Best practices on system users and groups

2005-11-01 Thread Olaf van der Spek
ma, 2005-10-31 kello 22:03 +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña kirjoitti: I would like developers to review and provide feedback for that section, specially in form of patches. I'm considering doing a bug hunt for: Typically this means that the configuration files are owned by group, belong

Re: postinst scripts failing because a new conffile wasn't accepted: Is it a bug?

2005-10-31 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/31/05, Benjamin Mesing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This brings up an issue that is bothering me as a user since a long time. Whenever I change a config file, I have to take care and examine changes of the config file in its pacakge. Because most times those provide some enhancments (e.g.

Apache 2 maintenance status?

2005-10-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
Hi. Does anyone know the Apache2 maintenance status? Lots of bug reports appear to be 'ignored'. Examples are: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267477 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288615 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289868

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-10-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/25/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/05, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:21:04PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: I'm afraid I have to ask the same question again (three months later). What's the status of this package

Re: Can we just finish the C++ transition for crying out loud?

2005-10-27 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/27/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now, a new gcc-4.0 bumped the shlibdeps for libstdc++ -- and worse, depends on new binutils and new glibc. This will undoubtedly mean that either forced package breakages, significant numbers of package removals, or months more of

Re: Bits from the release team: the plans for etch

2005-10-26 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/26/05, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 11:11:00AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peńa wrote: That really depends on the daemon itself don't you think? There's a number of daemons that don't create any file at all or, if they do, are created only

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-10-25 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/24/05, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:21:04PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: I'm afraid I have to ask the same question again (three months later). What's the status of this package in general and my patch in particular? There was some discussion

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2005-10-24 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 8/2/05, Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What's the maintenance status of the net-tools package? It has 88 bugs: Serious policy violations - outstanding (1 bug) Important bugs - outstanding (8 bugs) Normal bugs - outstanding (38 bugs) Minor bugs - outstanding (9 bugs

Re: what to do with iputils (ping, etc)

2005-10-21 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/21/05, Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could not care less about hurd or kFreeBSD, sorry. But I care a lot about having a working and up to date iputils package for my Linux systems, and I do not want Debian to fork it unless there Is a portable version required to be not working

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-20 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/20/05, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proper fix would be to enumerate all IP addresses of all network interfaces and select one that has an appropriate name. Unfortunately this is non-trivial and highly OS-dependent, although the libdumbnet1 package provides a

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-10-20 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/20/05, Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 04:16:40PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Wouldn't the proper fix be to not use source address based authentication? This is not authentication. INN just need a string to uniquely identify a host. Using a FQDN is OK

Re: NMU policies for etch

2005-10-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/18/05, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Frank Küster] Shouldn't NMU's without the maintainers approval be restricted to RC and maybe important bugs? Well, assuming we want as many bugs as possible fixed before the release, and not only RC bugs, I believe NMUs should be

Re: gpl vs openssl again

2005-10-18 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/18/05, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] please don't file an rc bug against my package for my having mentioned this... i've recently adopted it and would like to see the 30 some odd bugfixes make it into testing. Isn't it possible to tell the BTS the RC bug also applies to

Re: Managing SSL certificates

2005-10-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/16/05, sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 03:59:17PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Such a tool would be very nice, and not just because of the cruft they leave behind -- many packages currently support SSL connections; some automatically generate a

Re: Bits from the release team: the plans for etch

2005-10-17 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/17/05, Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is why I ask that before an NMU, someone should show me the patch, and if I reply I don't have time right now, okay to NMU that if you like then it's fine (and in fact it is going to be

Re: Managing SSL certificates

2005-10-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/15/05, Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 03:35:40PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: There aren't that many good reasons for having one cert per service anyway ...except that if you have a certificate

Re: Managing SSL certificates

2005-10-15 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/15/05, Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 10/15/05, Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can't know all the names that people will use to refer to your server, so this is one of the cases where you have to do stuff manually anyway. AFAIK

Re: When is the C++ transition needed?

2005-10-06 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 10/6/05, Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:45, Henning Makholm wrote: I notice that the newest upload of pstoedit has reverted the C++ transition name change; instead of libpstoedit0c2 sid now contains libpstoedit0, as in sarge. This is, IMHO,

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-09-23 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 9/23/05, Christoph Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 04:59:52PM +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:47:58PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: ..warning: connect to mysql server foobar: Access denied for user 'whoever'@'localhost.localdomain' (using

Re: localhost.localdomain

2005-09-23 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 9/23/05, Christoph Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 08:07:54PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 9/23/05, Christoph Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears like MySQL does that. It seems to check the IP address of the connecting client to find the permissions

Re: curl situation is intolerable

2005-09-13 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 9/13/05, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Olaf van der Spek] I thought that if the interface matches the user can link whatever he wants, because he doesn't (re)distribute the results. [Steve Langasek] There isn't universal agreement on this point, and it's never

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