Re: Comment modifier proprement un fichier de configuration à la debian

2011-03-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Laurent COOPER wrote: Il est vrai que si l'admin fait juste un rm /etc/apache2/conf.d/munin, à la prochaine mise à jour du paquet, munin réinstalle le lien symbolique. Est ce que je dois considérer ça comme un bug et ouvrir un rapport de bogue (ce lien ne devrait être

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: What is the policy on conffiles under multiarch? Can a Multi-Arch: same package have conffiles? Or would that confuse dpkg too much? They can have conffiles but obviously the confffile must be the same across all architectures (for a given

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: They can have conffiles but obviously the confffile must be the same across all architectures (for a given version). And if I change the conffile and upgrade does dpkg then ask twice if I want to keep my version? No. What about stopping to

Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated files?

2011-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Sean Finney wrote: If you do it with the patch system (quilt or even plain dpkg), before building the package source, you cannot ensure that files are patched in the right order. What do you mean in the right order ? autofoo stuff examines timestamps on

Re: ${python:Breaks}

2011-03-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: seriously, THERE WILL BE NO NEW PYTHON 2.X VERSION RELEASED UPSTREAM¹, we don't have to worry about 2.X transitions when 2.7 will become the only supported one. If you don't like Breaks, I will remove it, it really doesn't matter - that's why at the

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: What is the correct way to override what dpkg-shlibdeps detects? Either you replace the dependency associated to the interpreters' libraries by providing debian/shlibs.local (or any other file that you indicate with -L) or you tell dpkg-shlibdeps to put

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: [Josselin Mouette, 2011-03-06] You might “like” Breaks, but this: Depends: python Breaks: python (= 2.8), python ( 2.5) has the same semantics as: Depends: python (= 2.5), python ( 2.8) Yes it does; if you will not add

Re: [Python-modules-team] Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

2011-03-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Sandro Tosi wrote: While a review on -devel (and in general sharing news about his plans) is always welcome, I really don't see the point of bringing this up as if it was a big violation of a rule. Never said it's a 'big violation'. The fact is: we have a rule, we

Re: Pre-Depends: dpkg (= 1.15.7.2) for dpkg-maintscript-helper okay?

2011-03-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Anders Kaseorg wrote: So in this case the pre-dependency should *not* be set, as it only serves to complicate the upgrade path. If this becomes the consensus of debian-devel, there are two things that should probably be changed: • The section of the

Re: [Python-modules-team] Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

2011-03-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Sandro Tosi wrote: Hello Matthias, was this MBF announced coordinated somewhere (and I simply missed that message) as specified in [1]? He's the maintainer of python-central, he can certainly decide of its fate. While a review on -devel (and in general sharing news

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Marius, no need to CC Guillem privately, the dpkg maintainers are reachable at debian-d...@lists.debian.org. :) On Wed, 02 Mar 2011, Marius Vollmer wrote: - Instead, we move all packages that are to be unpacked into half-installed / reinstreq before touching the first one, and put a

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: On Wed, 02 Mar 2011, Marius Vollmer wrote: - Instead, we move all packages that are to be unpacked into half-installed / reinstreq before touching the first one, and put a big sync() right

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Carsten Hey wrote: * Raphael Hertzog [2011-03-02 15:06 +0100]: In general parsing the status file should not be done, instead you should use dpkg-query. Is there any reason for this, except that the format of the status files will evolve? dpkg-query

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Is there a way to ask dpkg-query to dump all the information contained in /var/lib/dpkg/status without either having to: (1) list all fields explicitly (using --show + --showformat) or (2) list all package names (using --status)? I

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Phillip Susi wrote: I have another proposal. It looks like right now dpkg extracts all of the files in the archive, then for each one, calls fsync() then rename(). Because this is done serially for each file in the archive, it forces small, out of order writes that

Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Bcc to -dpkg for info ] Hello, since multiarch support in dpkg is on good track, it's about time to identify what will break when people start using multiarch packages... I have started filing a few bugs for some packages where I knew of the problems but I need your help to identify other

Re: prepare to fix build failures with new GCC versions

2011-02-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011, Matthias Klose wrote: On 28.02.2011 08:02, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Well, if the mangling changed it means binaries linked against old libraries will no longer work so it's rather good that the symbols files doesn't match any more because you have to bump the mimimum

Bug#615940: dpkg-gensymbols: support a #CURVER# substitution to generate strict dependencies

2011-02-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Package: dpkg-dev Version: 1.15.8.10 Severity: wishlist On Mon, 28 Feb 2011, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org, 2011-02-28, 16:01: symbols which should not be used can either be not listed in the symbols file (and be auto-added at build time with a strict dependency

Re: prepare to fix build failures with new GCC versions

2011-02-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Matthias Klose wrote: Unreflected usage of symbols files for C++ libraries - These seem to be limited to Qt and KDE related libraries. Apparently g++-4.4 did emit references to symbols defined in header files of

Re: Bug dans dpkg-divert ?

2011-02-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Salut, On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Laurent COOPER wrote: Oui, c'est bien un dpkg-new qui est là. Par contre, comme je n'ai pas de dépot avec mes paquets de test, l'installation est faite par dpkg --unpack paquet.deb aptitude install paquet C'est peut être çà qui met en évidence le problème

Re: Dépendance de paquets

2011-02-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Salut Laurent, On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Laurent COOPER wrote: Dans le cadre du projet SLIS nous maintenons un ensemble de paquets debian. J'aimerais avoir votre avis sur une question de dépendances. Un paquet B dépend du paquet A Un paquet C dépend du paquet B. Mais on note aussi une

Re: Bug dans dpkg-divert ?

2011-02-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Salut, On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Laurent COOPER wrote: J'essaye de faire une diversion avec dpkg-divert sur une confile mais je pense que bien que fermé le bug 476899 est toujorus d'actualité : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476899 En effet, le BTS indique que dans la version

Re: squeeze-updates during Squeeze installation

2011-02-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(Moving to debian-b...@lists.debian.org where it's more appropriate) On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Adnan Hodzic wrote: Hello, During Squeeze installation process, since volatile archive was replaced with squeeze-updates and error of unreachable archive occurs. Of course installation process can be

Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 12 février 2011 à 01:15 +0900, Norbert Preining a écrit : I'd say it should probably be reported as a minor bug in gvfs-open, to respect gnome settings before falling back to mimeinfo.cache. I consider that not minor. If

Re: chromium-browser is taking over all URLs

2011-02-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote: How is one supposed to prioritize between the various browsers? There will be a default selected in gnome-session, that can be changed by user action. Without a session-wide default (any session manager can set one, of course) a random choice

Re: Upcoming FTPMaster meeting

2011-02-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011, Philipp Kern wrote: You'd lose the notion of it being useful on other architectures (that's the arch:all - arch:i386 Raphael's talking about), though. But then packages like qemu-system would just depend on openbios-sparc:sparc, no? If you don't need to deal with them

Re: Upcoming FTPMaster meeting

2011-02-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, Guillem Jover wrote: Hi! On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 11:33:10 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: Since there is no support for auto-building arch-independent binaries I would hope that throwing away

Re: Upcoming FTPMaster meeting

2011-02-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, Philipp Kern wrote: Do we have an idea how much more memory xz needs for decompression? I guess it wouldn't be feasible to switch dpkg's default on package builds on those architectures where we assume some more beefyness? It depends on what compression level we use, this

Re: Upcoming FTPMaster meeting

2011-02-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 03 Feb 2011, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Attached below is a tentative agenda. This is an unsorted list and we might not get to every point. We might also have missed any number of points, if so feel free to tell us about them. I have not seen any word about XZ support. When you

Re: HOWTO: Source a common shell script between DEBIAN/config and DEBIAN/preinst

2011-01-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, your questions are probably better answered on debian-ment...@lists.debian.org. On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, harish badrinath wrote: Given that i was told that you can deterministically determine which file would run first DEBIAN/control _or_ DEBIAN/preinst, I have this following query. You

Re: Why is help so hard to find?

2011-01-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: It's the responsibility of packages to clean up obsolete conffiles as they're upgraded.  If you run into the case of a package that's been upgraded and not cleaned up its

Re: using perl in preinst script

2010-12-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, Carsten Hey wrote: * Philipp Kern [2010-12-29 05:38 +]: On 2010-12-28, Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org wrote: ... One reason for this is that dpkg's perl scripts were rewritten in C. I know you phrased it differently but wasn't the motivation for this

Re: Aide : développemen t Debian

2010-12-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Bonjour, On Sat, 25 Dec 2010, Mike Massonnet wrote: http://raphaelhertzog.fr/tag/contribuer/ C'est à priori le seul à écrire à ce sujet (kudos), en tout cas de manière visible. Et je n'ai pas réellement parlé de packaging. Il faut de toute façon maitriser l'anglais si on veut s'atteler à

Re: Bug#602246: ITP: brian -- simulator for spiking neural networks

2010-12-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: oops -- sorry for the delay -- just found this comment and then what to do if we have not decided yet what particular humanoid will accomplish the mission? It doesn't matter much. You can always change the submitter afterwards. If you have

Re: owner for ITP bugreports [Was: Bug#602246: ITP: brian -- simulator for spiking neural networks]

2010-12-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: It doesn't matter much. You can always change the submitter afterwards. nah, then we should do it upon every commit to the repository while multiple people working on the packaging... Of course not, my request is that the submitter is a

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(Dropping bug report) On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Hence the fact that all file system developers, whether they were btrfs developers or XFS developers or ext4 developers, made the joke at the file system developers summit two years ago, that what the application

Re: How to create a soft link with quilt

2010-11-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Liang Guo wrote: I will use multiple source package, but I need a symbol link to simplify packaging works too Why? You decide the name you give to the sub-directory in which the supplementary tarball is unpacked. Anyway it's currently not possible to store a symlink

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Michael Biebl wrote: Something interesting I noticed: I created the ext4 file system on a spare partition and installed a chroot. After running the test, I exited the chroot, immediately unmounted the partition and measured how long it took: 1.15.8.5: 0.4s

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Jonathan Nieder wrote: c) extract(a.dpkg-new); extract(b.dpkg-new); extract(c.dpkg-new); fsync(a.dpkg-new); fsync(b.dpkg-new); fsync(c.dpkg-new); rename(a.dpkg-new, a); rename(b.dpkg-new, b); rename(c.dpkg-new, c); (c)

Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4

2010-11-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, adding debian-devel, debian-boot, debian-kernel and Theodore Y. Ts'o in CC because I'm fed up with this problem. Sorry for the massive crosspost, you might want to follow up only on -devel and on the bug report. Some clones/reassign should probably result from this discussion anyway. On

Bug#604474: general: Network-Manager-Applet 0.8.1 shows disconnected,, but connection working

2010-11-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Osamu Aoki wrote: How so ... Have you read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian Each distro has their own rationale for the choice of default behavior. Debian is not acting like Ubuntu is not good enough for the bug report. Guys, this bug report is a

Re: Oops: I broke the lenny -- squeeze update

2010-11-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Steve M. Robbins wrote: The rtupdate script has since been changed (in unstable) to avoid this problem, but I'm not sure what can be done for stable users other than recommending to purge the above four packages prior to upgrade. Is there any way to do this

Bug#603938: debian-installer: The 1st CD doesn't contain desktop nor laptop tasks

2010-11-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 19 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: Result: only mail server, SSH server and standart system are available. Unfortunately, that's expected result. As discussed on So let's close this bug. There is no need and gain to keep this bug report open (against general at least),

Re: Bits from ftp-team (aka: Don't upload RC fixes to NEW queue)

2010-11-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010, Julien Cristau wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 15:02:18 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: OK, that's a reason to avoid package churn in existing source packages and thus letting packages with new binaries sit in NEW for a while. It doesn't apply to entirely new packages

Re: Bug#602246: ITP: brian -- simulator for spiking neural networks

2010-11-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 02 Nov 2010, NeuroDebian Team wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: NeuroDebian Team deb...@onerussian.com Please use your real name even if you're doing some work as part of a team... Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer ◈ [Flattr=20693] Follow my Debian News

Re: Bits from ftp-team (aka: Don't upload RC fixes to NEW queue)

2010-11-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 02 Nov 2010, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: Please note that we see your arguments and agree completely, but please also note it's not as easy as it sounds. IIRC recently PostgreSQL 9.x was accepted, resulting in some packages not being able to migrate to testing. I think

Re: Bits from ftp-team (aka: Don't upload RC fixes to NEW queue)

2010-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, no harsh criticism intended (I'm only slighly affected) but I agree with Lucas. On Sun, 31 Oct 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I must admit that I'm not too happy about that. Despite the freeze, I think that it is important that we continue to support our users usually running

Re: Renaming a conffile in maintainer scripts

2010-10-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Dominique Dumont wrote: On Friday 08 October 2010 15:38:22 Raphael Hertzog wrote: While this avoids the conffile prompt in all cases, it also means that if the new conffiguration file has changes compared to the old one, the user doesn't get to see them... instead

Re: Bug#599446: ITP: libapache2-mod-rivet -- Server-side Tcl programming system combining ease of use and power

2010-10-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010, Sven Hoexter wrote: http://people.apache.org/~mxmanghi/deb/ obviously only version 2.0.1-3 has all the changes that were suggested on this list An upload should be a -1 since the Debian archive has never seen the package before so you've to combine the changelog

Renaming a conffile in maintainer scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, I was reviewing how we deal with renames of conffiles as now implemented by dpkg-maintscript-helper (itself inspired by http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling) and I wonder if we're not doing something wrong. Currently it works like this: - in the preinst, mark the old conffile for

Re: Buildd binary-indep

2010-09-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Russ Allbery wrote: Well, I don't make it a requirement to implement it right now and the Build-Features code can certainly start with just the build-arch stuff. But I want to make sure we gave it enough thought so that it's not problematic later on to extend it

Re: delegation for FTP Masters

2010-09-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Ian Jackson wrote: I wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli writes (delegation for FTP Masters): As it's painful to track multiple delegation mails for a single group of people, I'm (re-)delegating all FTP masters at once. A reference to the present delegation will shortly

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: I think that having an official rolling release always available would reduce the pressure of maintainers to always push the latest into the next stable release precisely because there's an alternative... so it would rather help concerning this

Re: Summary of CUT discussions

2010-09-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Roland Mas wrote: What do you base this on? It does not at all seem clear to me that rolling would not introduce maintainers who only care about rolling. Nobody can predict the future... but my take is that the people who only care about rolling would be the

Re: Buildd binary-indep

2010-09-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Bernhard R. Link wrote: But this whole discussion got boring something like 10 years ago. It's a shame there is still no proper solution for that now. Yeah, the only one who submitted code has been Bill Allombert and he did it without following my recommendations so I have

Re: Buildd binary-indep

2010-09-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Russ Allbery wrote: The not-so-evident part is that I want the syntax of this field to be sufficiently extensible so that we can encode more information like support of hardening build flags and similar stuff that we might want to know to adjust the behaviour at build

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Luk, thanks for your valuable comments. On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: Of course there are multiple reasons. Though I think one of the most obvious ones is that we as a project don't do a genuine stable release often so sometimes delay the freeze willingly or not. Another reason

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: On 09/23/2010 09:00 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Raphael's article is now published, and is probably a good basis for discussing CUT on -de...@. Free link: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/406301/bd522adc828b3461/ It's still looks weired to me

Re: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable

2010-09-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: hm... did you mean http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ A constantly usable testing distribution for Debian? Yes. if indeed, taken on the reasoning that testing is a bad name and rolling is better, then it goes similar to what I saw behind

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Luk, thanks for your comment! On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: Raphael's article is now published, and is probably a good basis for discussing CUT on -de...@. Free link: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/406301/bd522adc828b3461/ Personally I have the feeling that if we would choose

Re: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable

2010-09-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi all, On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: CUT discussions at debconf10 and recent news of the birth of Linux Mint discussions on CUT have continued after debconf on the CUT mailing. I wrote a summary of the discussion that will be published in Linux Weekly News before tomorrow.

Re: Thinking about bundles

2010-09-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, David Bremner wrote: Well, OK, I see your point. But what should we do about e.g. tiny perl modules. My/our impression was that ftp-master was not keen on having many small packages. For example, libcatalyst-modules-perl has installed size of 1468k, but bundles 81 modules.

Re: Bug#597340: dpkg-gencontrol: implicit substvar at the end of every field

2010-09-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Steve McIntyre wrote: CCing -devel and Joey Hess to have some input on this idea. Do you think it would be useful ? Do you have comments and suggestions ? I'm uncomfortable with the idea of (even more?) build-time package settings being hidden away outside of

Re: Thinking about bundles

2010-09-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010, Nicholas Bamber wrote: I have recently looked into a number of bundle packages. All of them have different implementations of the debian/rules although the ones I looked at had clearly once had a common parent. Hence I have been kept awake at night thinking how this

Re: Moving package with quilt to new upstream version

2010-09-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push will do the same. You only need QUILT_PATCHES for the first quilt call. Is that so? That would be good news, but it doesn't match my

Re: Bug#560317: dpkg-trigger complains at dpkg-reconfigure time

2010-09-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Ian Jackson wrote: Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: Bug#560317: dpkg-trigger complains at dpkg-reconfigure time): On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Joey Hess wrote: Does it actually make sense for dpkg-trigger to see those environment variables when the postinst is not being run

Re: Bug#560317: dpkg-trigger complains at dpkg-reconfigure time

2010-09-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Joey Hess wrote: Raphael Hertzog wrote: Because the postinst is called by dpkg-reconfigure (of debconf) and it doesn't set the same environment variables that dpkg does set when it calls the postinst by itself. In particular DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_PACKAGE is missing

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for normal packages (normal backport

Re: on the role of debian among its derivatives

2010-09-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: You assume that, if we disable most of the columns, people will think it's surprising that this interface doesn't do more, let's search the hidden options for more features, and thus add the additional columns they want. I don't think that it is

Re: License of a patch

2010-09-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, D M German wrote: After my presentation at DebConf this year I was pointed to your efforts on the Patch Tagging Guidelines. One thing I believe would be useful is if the patch included a license. The simplest license would be Same as patched code but it will

Re: Bug#592839: dpkg-source option to remove files on unpack: debian/source/remove-files

2010-08-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Russ Allbery wrote: Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: As suggested by Ian on -devel (see attachment), it would be nice to have a way to remove files during unpack of a source package to hide non-free files from our users without stripping them from

Bug#592839: dpkg-source option to remove files on unpack: debian/source/remove-files

2010-08-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Package: dpkg-dev Version: 1.15.8 Severity: wishlist As suggested by Ian on -devel (see attachment), it would be nice to have a way to remove files during unpack of a source package to hide non-free files from our users without stripping them from the original tarball. I also prefer this

Re: CUT BoF at DebConf10

2010-08-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:10:16PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Russ Allbery wrote: I don't agree; I think it's very hard to say the same thing about testing. I've noticed that linking to this page seems to kill threads, which is not my

Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Benjamin Drung wrote: I could not find that submenu while installing 10.04. It's quite possibly only in the alternate installer image nowadays (that is used for the server edition AFAIK). On the last step (7 of 7), there is the Advanced... button. Yes, and there's

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:49:00 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Simply, we do not need to, and should not, make reporting bugs easier. As a point of reference, Ubuntu disabled their easy-to-find http bug submission page because of this very problem.

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 26 juillet 2010 à 14:57 -0400, Andres Mejia a écrit : Here's a template reportbug prints out for iceweasel. [snip] Versions of packages iceweasel depends on: ii debianutils 3.4Miscellaneous utilities

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 04:56:03PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: With a free form field called System specific information, please paste here the output of “reportbug --template package”. That could even be reasonable. Except many people

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Teemu Likonen wrote: * 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote: stable = release testing = current unstable = development I like these. They describe the three distributions well and current might encourage more users than testing. Advertising constantly

Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 22.07.2010, 10:20 +0200 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez: On 21/07/2010 10:25, Paul Wise wrote: They also currently have almost 20 times as many popcon submissions as Debian and continuing growth: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/

Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling

2010-07-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Daniel Reurich wrote: 2) store output in a file, read it, then copy/paste on my MUA : you call that user friendly ? ;) No, but it's a viable solution (and I heard several people are already doing similar stuff). you could improve this and have it call

Re: ITP: php-recaptcha -- PHP interface to recaptcha.net

2010-06-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Thomas Goirand wrote: No, but we wrote that a free software in our view, should not depend on a non-free software. The question is: is this an RPC call to a remote (non-free) library. My take is: definitively yes. As we are clearly on the line here, so I do respect other's

Re: Indicator applets and related packages

2010-06-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Ted, thanks for your answer. On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Ted Gould wrote: I think this could be a good idea indeed. A team that would be very open to the upstream Ubuntu/Canonical maintainers. I'm unfamiliar with Debian processes so I can't comment on whether a team is appropriate. But, I'd

Re: How to warn about need to port changes to new configuration file?

2010-06-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, Philipp Kern wrote: As documented in its manpage, at least. It looks a tad misleading, though: | But in many cases the operation done by the program is not critical | for the package, and instead of using a pre-dependency we can call the program | only if we know

Re: How to warn about need to port changes to new configuration file?

2010-06-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 04:46:15PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: I assume the file in question is a conffile. If you just want to move its location, read the section Moving a conffile at http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling Or rather

Re: Indicator applets and related packages

2010-06-16 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Could you avoid changing the packaging system when you take things to Debian? We do use cdbs for those because it makes easier some of the things we are doing, we could need to add a diff back for langpacks translations for example over your

Indicator applets and related packages

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Bcc debian-mentors as some prospective DD might be interested in packaging those ] Hello, I would like to be able to use ubuntu's indicator applets in Debian but very few of the required packages are in Debian (only libindicator is available). Here are some of the design pages if you don't

Re: Indicator applets and related packages

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Evgeni Golov wrote: I'd like too, thus I packaged libindicator (sid) and xfce4-indicator-plugin (NEW) :) I saw libindicator and wondered why indicator-applet was not in the same batch and investigated and found your RFP and this led me to this mail. :) The missing

MAKEDEV, postinst and udev

2010-06-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, what should package that require a specific device file do in their postinst ? Many packages verify that the device does not exist and verify that /dev/MAKEDEV exists and do cd /dev ./MAKEDEV something only in that case. This works well in most cases but if you're using udev when

Re: MAKEDEV, postinst and udev

2010-06-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jun 09, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote: If you remove udev then you are on your own. There are still cases where not using udev is fine: chroots or in openvz containers. I would still want the packages requiring a device file to properly

Re: Recent changes in dpkg

2010-06-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010, Jonathan Niehof wrote: This is a great addition; however, if the user has changed the conffile *and* the maintainer also changes it in the same version where it is moved, the user's file is left silently in place and the maintainer's installed as .dpkg-new. This seems

Re: Meaning of the different “format” fields and files.

2010-05-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Charles Plessy wrote: Thanks for the pointer. I sent a patch for the Policy to this bug report. I agree with the comment of Manoj in message #15 that the Format field of the Debian source control files would have better been called Src-Format or something similar. Do you

Re: Meaning of the different “format” fields and files.

2010-05-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Charles Plessy wrote: * In Debian changes files, Format is currently 1.8; I suppose that it defines the meaning and syntax of the other fields. Is there a place were the history of this file format is defined? Is it a general format number for what we call

Re: Source packages: standard formats and interfaces as an alternative to centralisation.

2010-05-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Charles Plessy wrote: [ Skipping the part that makes no sense to me ] With a simple debian/rules target, for instance ‘source’, the conflict about the source package formats can be made much milder, because it will be the choice of the maintainer to use or not dpkg-dev,

Re: Recent changes in dpkg

2010-05-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 26 May 2010, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: * dpkg-dev provides a new script called dpkg-buildflags that packages should use in debian/rules to retrieve the default value of various compilation flags. Bug #578597[1] has been submitted against debian-policy. When

Re: Recent changes in dpkg

2010-05-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de [2010-05-27 09:05:39 CEST]: But I guess we already determined that automatic detection of various things isn't always the best choice. Making 1.0 non-native and 1.0 native explicit wouldn't sound too wrong. :P)

Re: RFH: bashisms in configure script

2010-05-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 25 May 2010, Peter Samuelson wrote: And more false positives: possible bashism in ./configure line 44 ($BASH_SOMETHING): if test -z $BASH_VERSION$ZSH_VERSION \ (test X`print -r -- $as_echo` = X$as_echo) 2/dev/null; then possible bashism in ./configure line 367 (should be word

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 20 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote: So I agree that the sane thing to do here is, at least, to use the same default range as /etc/adduser.conf (which in turn is the range defined by policy). I've just modified base-files accordingly to use the UID range 1000-2. I'm not sure

Re: snapshot.debian.org implications for you

2010-05-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 May 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote: Most of the repackaging is done because we don't _want_ to redistribute those files not because we do not have the right to redistribute them. [citation needed] My perception of the matter is the other way around. Take the case of stripped RFC,

Re: snapshot.debian.org implications for you

2010-05-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote: Would it be feasible to have some sort of automation surrounding this? Breaches that are fixed by a subsequent upload will very likely contain some strings in the changelog: strip, distributable,

Re: Miroir DEBIAN : Signat ure + Mise à jour du repository

2010-05-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 03 May 2010, smain...@free.fr wrote: Mais les paquets ajoutés ne peuvent malheureusement pas être installés par les clients. La seule procédure qui fonctionne est de régénérer la clef : Quelle est l'erreur ? Est-ce que les clients on fait un apt-get update qui a réussi ? Est-ce que

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