Re: DEP-5 Copyright Question

2011-07-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 07:01:03PM -0500, Elías Alejandro wrote: You mention that the upstream author *transformed* the image. Mechanical transformations (such as compilation of source code) do not normally have copyright associated with them, so the copyright of cat.pzl would

Re: DEP-5 Copyright Question

2011-07-23 Thread Elías Alejandro
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 08:12:28AM +0200, Steve Langasek wrote: Right, that's more or less what I thought it would be. It is unlikely that the transformation from a jpg to a puzzle image file includes any creative contribution; if this is an algorithmic transformation, then I believe *only*

Re: DEP-5 Copyright Question

2011-07-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 09:11:50PM -0500, Elías Alejandro wrote: Dear all, I've just read this thread. What do you think about this [1] [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/07/msg00427.html debian/copyright should list the names of the actual copyright holders of the work.

Re: DEP-5 Copyright Question

2011-07-22 Thread Elías Alejandro
Hi Steve, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 07:47:25AM +0200, Steve Langasek wrote: debian/copyright should list the names of the actual copyright holders of the work. debian-devel is not a great resource for helping you figure out who those copyright holders are, but if the upstream author has already

Re: DEP-5 Copyright Question

2011-07-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:42:20AM -0500, Elías Alejandro wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 07:47:25AM +0200, Steve Langasek wrote: debian/copyright should list the names of the actual copyright holders of the work. debian-devel is not a great resource for helping you figure out who those

Re: DEP-5 Copyright Question

2011-07-22 Thread Elías Alejandro
You mention that the upstream author *transformed* the image. Mechanical transformations (such as compilation of source code) do not normally have copyright associated with them, so the copyright of cat.pzl would probably be the same as for cat.jpg. yes, would probably... but

Re: DEP-5 Copyright Question

2011-07-21 Thread Elías Alejandro
Dear all, I've just read this thread. What do you think about this [1] [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/07/msg00427.html Add: - Previous Debian release include copyright image owner. - Image license requires link to web site source as a condition. Regards, -- Elías Alejandro

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-19 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:54:14 -0400 Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:54:53 -0400 Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: I understand that a DEP5 copyright file lists licenses and copyrights for files in the debian

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-19 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:23:01 -0400 Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: I don't personally think it's interesting or relevant to record in debian/copyright the license of generated files, and there is certainly nothing in Policy that requires you to do this. Why do you ask? My

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-19 Thread Gergely Nagy
Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: My sponsor requested me to add debian/copyright entries for files in the generated HTML documentation. The documentation is generated by Sphinx, and Sphinx adds some templates and js libraries which are then covered (at least that's what I believe) by

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-19 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:26:36AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Hi, ..and configure scripts have parts of autotools, Makefile.ins contain code from automake, and even compiled binaries contain stuff that originates from the compiler. I don't think these should be documented in

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-19 Thread Gergely Nagy
Sven Hoexter s...@timegate.de writes: The question is what should be achieved with d/copyright? Give just a short overview over the main parts of the package or a complete overview of the complete package contents? My understanding is, that it should be a complete overview of the source

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:13:24AM +0200, Gergely Nagy a écrit : My understanding is, that it should be a complete overview of the source licenses. I do not treat generated files as source, because, well... they're not. They might come in the source tarball, like the autotools-generated

DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-18 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Hi, I understand that a DEP5 copyright file lists licenses and copyrights for files in the debian source package directory, rather than for files that are installed by the generated .deb. Does that mean that files that are *generated* during execution of debian/rules (e.g. rendered

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:54:53 -0400 Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: I understand that a DEP5 copyright file lists licenses and copyrights for files in the debian source package directory, rather than for files that are installed by the generated .deb. Does that mean that files that

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 02:54:53PM -0400, Nikolaus Rath wrote: I understand that a DEP5 copyright file lists licenses and copyrights for files in the debian source package directory, rather than for files that are installed by the generated .deb. Does that mean that files that are *generated*

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-18 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 02:54:53PM -0400, Nikolaus Rath wrote: I understand that a DEP5 copyright file lists licenses and copyrights for files in the debian source package directory, rather than for files that are installed by the generated .deb. Does

Re: DEP5 Copyright Question

2011-07-18 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:54:53 -0400 Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: I understand that a DEP5 copyright file lists licenses and copyrights for files in the debian source package directory, rather than for files that are installed by the

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 01:26:55PM -0500, Joey Hess a écrit : Riku Voipio wrote: I think the short term solution to this dilemma is to compile a list of attributions needed to be included in advertizment material. Also a list should be compiled attributions needed n documentation (such as

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-09 Thread Riku Voipio
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 01:34:53PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I think that it is a bit frivolous to distribute software with advertisment clause in main and not properly warning the redistributors, I think the short term solution to this dilemma is to compile a list of attributions needed to

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-09 Thread Joey Hess
Riku Voipio wrote: I think the short term solution to this dilemma is to compile a list of attributions needed to be included in advertizment material. Also a list should be compiled attributions needed n documentation (such as libjpeg's). Obviously most distributors/boob writers will not

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe your reasoning is faulty, because it is based on incomplete information. There was more than one BSD license in use well before USB's Office of Technology Licensing withdrew the 4-clause version. [snip] While this is very interesting (I

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:27:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit : Am I missing something? This ? http://web.archive.org/web/19990210065944/http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Branden Robinson
[You didn't honor my M-F-T so I guess this will continue to go to both lists.] On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:29:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe your reasoning is faulty, because it is based on incomplete information. There was more than

Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread Jean Parpaillon
Hi, I intend to package HPL benchmarks. Copyright file contains the following statements: -- 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread brian m. carlson
[Please follow up to -legal only. Full quote for the benefit of -legal.] On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:30:01PM +0100, Jean Parpaillon wrote: Hi, I intend to package HPL benchmarks. Copyright file contains the following statements: -- 1. Redistributions of source code must

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 06/02/2008, Jean Parpaillon wrote: 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes software developed at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Innovative Computing Laboratories.

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Jean! You wrote: I intend to package HPL benchmarks. Copyright file contains the following statements: -- 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.

Re: Copyright question

2008-02-06 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 06/02/2008, Sebastian Harl wrote: Just to make this clear […] Yep, thank you (all) for clarifying that, sorry for the inconvenience. Cheers, -- Cyril Brulebois pgpFkxYGMPJdq.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-06 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 04:30:01PM +0100, Jean Parpaillon a écrit : 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This example is maybe a bit artificial, but the point is that with such licences in main, redistributors who use advertisement should in theory read all the copyright files to check who to acknowledge. For this reason, I wouldn't recommend to include

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-06 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit : Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This example is maybe a bit artificial, but the point is that with such licences in main, redistributors who use advertisement should in theory read all the copyright files to check

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that it is a bit frivolous to distribute software with advertisment clause in main and not properly warning the redistributors, who are the most likely persons to infringe the clause. We should remeber that for other aspects of licencing and

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-06 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think it's horribly credible that including software covered by the 4-clause BSD license in Debian violates the principle of least surprise when we specifically list it as one of our acceptable licenses in the DFSG. The 4-clause BSD license is

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 4-clause BSD license is not one that we list as an acceptable license. DFSG URL:http://www.debian.org/social_contract §10: 10. Example Licenses The GPL, BSD, and Artistic licenses are examples of licenses that we consider free.

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-06 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:27:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit : Am I missing something? This ? http://web.archive.org/web/19990210065944/http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license http://web.archive.org/web/20001205083200/http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

copyright question

1998-06-17 Thread Joey Hess
I would like to package a set of large mouse cursor fonts for X. These are useful on a laptop, where the cursor's hard to see. The fonts appear to be the standard X cursor fonts, scaled up by certian factors (so they are a little blocky). As such, I expect they come under the same license as the

intent to package: coda (+ copyright question)

1998-04-09 Thread Anders Hammarquist
for the distributed 2.0.x kernel, would it be useful to package up a kernel-module of coda for 2.0? (I'll probably look in to that as well... Though I tend to be on the bleeding edge myself.) Now, on to the copyright question. The following is an excerpt from one file (coda-src/vice/srvproc.cc

Re: intent to package: coda (+ copyright question)

1998-04-09 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
that there are other kernel module packages available for the distributed 2.0.x kernel, would it be useful to package up a kernel-module of coda for 2.0? (I'll probably look in to that as well... Though I tend to be on the bleeding edge myself.) Now, on to the copyright question

Re: intent to package: coda (+ copyright question)

1998-04-09 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Anders Hammarquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This file contains some code identical to or derived from the 1986 version of the Andrew File System (AFS), which is owned by the IBM Corporation.This code is provded AS IS and IBM does not warrant that it is free of infringement of any

Re: intent to package: coda (+ copyright question)

1998-04-09 Thread Anders Hammarquist
I think it's clear the intent is to say that CMU is legally distributing AFS. the terms under which CMU is distributing it are as stated above and are DFSG compliant. I think that's all we're concerned with: the terms under which our users can use, modify, and distribute the software. So

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-25 Thread David Frey
On Mon, Jun 23 1997 22:08 BST James Troup writes: David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Das Aendern des Dokuments ist nicht erlaubt. Das gilt sowohl fuer den Inhalt als auch fuer das Dateiformat bzw. die Gestaltung. Auch das Entfernen unliebsamer Passagen ist nicht

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-25 Thread David Frey
On Mon, Jun 23 1997 23:08 +0200 Martin Schulze writes: David Frey writes: On Mon, Jun 23 1997 7:25 BST Marco Budde writes: Any comments? (Please add next time a translated version too, not everyone reads natively german [I'd had a hard time to understand e.g.

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-25 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Jun 25, David Frey wrote *smile* Some german people have problems understanding swiss people, too. :-) *smile* But only if they live too far in the north. Our Bavarian neighbours don't have this problem at least. ;-) you can understand a bavarian ? hey, most german can't do that.

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-24 Thread Thomas Koenig
David Frey wrote: PS: Has somebody found a good online dictionary? (A dictionary e.g. French/English, German/English, not only a word-list) http://www2.echo.lu/edic/, the technical dictionary published by the General Directorate XIII of the European Union, is great. You can chose source and

Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Marco Budde
Hi! I've got a copyright question. The selfhtml (doc section) package, that I'll release the next days, has got a copyright that forbid changing the files. Should I put the package in unstable/stable or in non-free? In my opinion the package should go to unstable/stable because it's

RE: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Michael Meskes
PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 1997 8:25 AM To:debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc:Die Adresse des Empfängers ist unbekannt. Subject: Copyright question Hi! I've got a copyright question. The selfhtml (doc section) package, that I'll release the next days

RE: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Michael Meskes wrote: The way I read it the copyright just forbids to change the doc files itself. There is no problem adding our packages files etc. Even renaming the source tree is not forbidden. So I'd say put it in the core distribution. No, I disagree here. At

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread David Frey
On Mon, Jun 23 1997 7:25 BST Marco Budde writes: Any comments? (Please add next time a translated version too, not everyone reads natively german [I'd had a hard time to understand e.g. dutch or polish]) Copyright = Dieses Dokument ist Freeware im Sinne des

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-23 Thread Martin Schulze
David Frey writes: On Mon, Jun 23 1997 7:25 BST Marco Budde writes: Any comments? (Please add next time a translated version too, not everyone reads natively german [I'd had a hard time to understand e.g. dutch or polish]) *smile* Some german people have problems understanding

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-03 Thread John Goerzen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes: From: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only NON-COMMERCIAL distribution allowed. That puts it in non-free. OK, I have gotten some replies from the author regarding copyright issues. Does it still belong in non-free? (It appears his intent is

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-03 Thread Guy Maor
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Redistribution of modified versions by other people than myself is not allowed. This sentence is still problematic. We are distributing modified binaries and files to modify the source (though not actually distributing modified source). Guy -- TO

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-03 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On 3 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: OK, I have gotten some replies from the author regarding copyright issues. Does it still belong in non-free? (It appears his intent is basically to keep companies from charging for it...) Below is the copyright file I'm distributing with it: [...] The

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-03 Thread Bruce Perens
From: John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kees Lemmens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep, as long as the CDROM's are sold for reasonable prices: all software on these distributions is free, so they only should be paid for their efforts to put it on the CD's. I think a maximum of approx. 20-25 $ could be

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-02 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only NON-COMMERCIAL distribution allowed. That puts it in non-free. Redistribution of modified versions by other people than myself is not allowed. That too. We are going to start supporting unmodified source + Debian deltas, but never unmodified

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-02 Thread John Goerzen
Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: Non-free it is No. If the author forbids distribution a changed (i.e. bug fixed) _binary_ version, I think the package may not even go into non-free. What do the others think? Before we go off

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-02 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 1 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: Non-free it is No. If the author forbids distribution a changed (i.e. bug fixed) _binary_ version, I think the package may not even go into non-free.

Copyright question

1997-06-01 Thread John Goerzen
A program I am packaging has a copying policy as follows: Only NON-COMMERCIAL distribution allowed. Redistribution of modified versions by other people than myself is not allowed. However, commercial use is no problem as long as the software is NOT being commercially distributed. Please

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-01 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 31 May 1997, John Goerzen wrote: A program I am packaging has a copying policy as follows: Only NON-COMMERCIAL distribution allowed. This puts the package into non-free. However... Redistribution of modified versions by other people than myself is not allowed. We need at least the

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-01 Thread joost witteveen
On 31 May 1997, John Goerzen wrote: A program I am packaging has a copying policy as follows: Only NON-COMMERCIAL distribution allowed. This puts the package into non-free. However... Redistribution of modified versions by other people than myself is not allowed. We need

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-01 Thread Guy Maor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) writes: Yes, if a modifying the package isn't allowed, then it cannot go into the main archive, and has to go into non-free, even if you're allowed to make money distributing it. If modifying the package isn't allowed, it can't go anywhere! You better

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-01 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On 31 May 1997, John Goerzen wrote: A program I am packaging has a copying policy as follows: Only NON-COMMERCIAL distribution allowed. Redistribution of modified versions by other people than myself is not allowed. However, commercial use is no problem as long as the software is

Re: Copyright question

1997-06-01 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: On 31 May 1997, John Goerzen wrote: A program I am packaging has a copying policy as follows: Only NON-COMMERCIAL distribution allowed. This puts the package into non-free. However... Redistribution of modified versions

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-22 Thread Bruce Perens
Take the public domain part and put it in one package. Take the non-free part and put it in another package. You already knew this but I said it as context for the following: Contact the author and ask them to issue the following more-legaly-correct license _only_ on the public domain part:

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-22 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) wrote on 21.05.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Take the public domain part and put it in one package. Take the non-free part and put it in another package. You already knew this but I said it as context for the following: Contact the author and ask them to issue

copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Joey Hess
Crack dot Com has decided to release abuse as public domain software. So no more a.out abuse, once I get the new one built. But I do have a couple of questions about their copyright: This release is to the public domain, meaning there are very few restrictions in on use. But here are a few :

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
Crack dot Com has decided to release abuse as public domain software. So no more a.out abuse, once I get the new one built. But I do have a couple of questions about their copyright: This release is to the public domain, meaning there are very few restrictions in on use. But here are a

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Guy Maor
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This all seems ok except for maybe the export restrictions section. We don't have a non-Cuba-Yugoslavia-Hati-Iran-Iraq-North-Korea-and-Syria section like we have a non-us section.. so does abuse belong in non-free or on some us-only ftp site, or what?